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13 Nov 2007 01:39:21 PM |
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WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
Yup........The Old Leftist LIE about "the rich getting richer" has
been Shot DOWN by the U.S. Treasury Department.........It seems The
POOR Have been getting Richer and the Rich have been getting POORER
under President Bush........Ain't That A
HOOT?.........Donchaknow........
"Movin' On Up
A Treasury study refutes populist hokum about "income inequality."
Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST
Wall Street Journal
OpinionJournal
If you've been listening to Mike Huckabee or John Edwards on the
Presidential trail, you may have heard that the U.S. is becoming a
nation of rising inequality and shrinking opportunity. We'd refer
those campaigns to a new study of income mobility by the Treasury
Department that exposes those claims as so much populist hokum.
OK, "hokum" is our word. The study, to be released today, is a
careful, detailed piece of research by professional economists that
avoids political judgments. But what it does do is show beyond doubt
that the U.S. remains a dynamic society marked by rapid and mostly
upward income mobility. Much as they always have, Americans on the
bottom rungs of the economic ladder continue to climb into the middle
and sometimes upper classes in remarkably short periods of time.
The Treasury study examined a huge sample of 96,700 income tax returns
from 1996 and 2005 for Americans over the age of 25. The study tracks
what happened to these tax filers over this 10-year period. One of the
notable, and reassuring, findings is that nearly 58% of filers who
were in the poorest income group in 1996 had moved into a higher
income category by 2005. Nearly 25% jumped into the middle or upper-
middle income groups, and 5.3% made it all the way to the highest
quintile.
Of those in the second lowest income quintile, nearly 50% moved into
the middle quintile or higher, and only 17% moved down. This is a
stunning show of upward mobility, meaning that more than half of all
lower-income Americans in 1996 had moved up the income scale in only
10 years.
Also encouraging is the fact that the after-inflation median income of
all tax filers increased by an impressive 24% over the same period.
Two of every three workers had a real income gain--which contradicts
the Huckabee-Edwards-Lou Dobbs spin about stagnant incomes. This is
even more impressive when you consider that "median" income and wage
numbers are often skewed downward because the U.S. has had a huge
influx of young workers and immigrants in the last 20 years. They
start their work years with low wages, dragging down the averages.
Those who start at the bottom but hold full-time jobs nonetheless
enjoyed steady income gains. The Treasury study found that those tax
filers who were in the poorest income quintile in 1996 saw a near
doubling of their incomes (90.5%) over the subsequent decade. Those in
the highest quintile, on the other hand, saw only modest income gains
(10%). The nearby table tells the story, which is that the poorer an
individual or household was in 1996 the greater the percentage income
gain after 10 years.
Only one income group experienced an absolute decline in real income--
the richest 1% in 1996. Those households lost 25.8% of their income.
Moreover, more than half (57.4%) of the richest 1% in 1996 had dropped
to a lower income group by 2005. Some of these people might have been
"rich" merely for one year, or perhaps for several, as they hit their
peak earning years or had some capital gains windfall. Others may
simply have not been able to keep up with new entrepreneurs and wealth
creators.
The key point is that the study shows that income mobility in the U.S.
works down as well as up--another sign that opportunity and merit
continue to drive American success, not accidents of birth. The "rich"
are not the same people over time.
The study is also valuable because it shows that income mobility
remains little changed from what similar studies found in the 1970s
and 1980s. Some journalists and academics have cited selective
evidence to claim that income mobility has declined in recent years.
But the 58% of lowest-income earners who moved to a higher income
quintile in this study is roughly comparable to the percentages that
did so in several similar studies going back to the late 1960s. "The
basic finding of this analysis," says the Treasury report, "is that
relative income mobility is approximately the same in the last 10
years as it was in the previous decade."
All of this certainly helps to illuminate the current election-year
debate about income "inequality" in the U.S. The political left and
its media echoes are promoting the inequality story as a way to
justify a huge tax increase. But inequality is only a problem if it
reflects stagnant opportunity and a society stratified by more or less
permanent income differences. That kind of society can breed class
resentments and unrest. America isn't remotely such a society, thanks
in large part to the incentives that exist for risk-taking and wealth
creation.
The great irony is that, in the name of reducing inequality, some of
our politicians want to raise taxes and other government obstacles to
the kind of risk-taking and hard work that allow Americans to climb
the income ladder so rapidly. As the Treasury data show, we shouldn't
worry about inequality. We should worry about the people who use
inequality as a political club to promote policies that reduce
opportunity. "
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
13 Nov 2007 08:16:28 PM |
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Yup........The Old Leftist LIE about "the rich getting richer" has
been Shot DOWN by the U.S. Treasury Department.........It seems The
POOR Have been getting Richer and the Rich have been getting POORER
under President Bush........Ain't That A
HOOT?.........Donchaknow........
The problem for you is that Treasury tracked 58,000 taxpayers from 1996 to
2005 and based its conclusions on that data. The Census data which shows a
growing wealth gap takes a larger random sample. It thus comes down to
which method is more reliable. Treasury's data also wasn't truly random
since it followed the same folk and only folks within a certain income
range were originally selected.
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| User: "" |
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13 Nov 2007 10:12:17 PM |
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On Nov 13, 6:16?pm, Art Clemons <ArtClem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:
Yup........The Old Leftist LIE about "the rich getting richer" has
been Shot DOWN by the U.S. Treasury Department.........It seems The
POOR Have been getting Richer and the Rich have been getting POORER
under President Bush........Ain't That A
HOOT?.........Donchaknow........
The problem for you is that Treasury tracked 58,000 taxpayers from 1996 to
2005 and based its conclusions on that data. The Census data which shows a
growing wealth gap takes a larger random sample. It thus comes down to
which method is more reliable. Treasury's data also wasn't truly random
since it followed the same folk and only folks within a certain income
range were originally selected.
The Census is based on "Opinion", the Treasury Figures are based on
FACT.........Nice "Try" though..........You Stupid Leftist Bastards
never Disappoint.........
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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14 Nov 2007 06:53:16 AM |
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The Census is based on "Opinion", the Treasury Figures are based on
FACT.........Nice "Try" though..........You Stupid Leftist Bastards
never Disappoint.........
Once again, you demonstrate you don't understand sampling. The Treasury
drew a sample and followed that sample, but it was not a random sample.
The Census takes a random sample of all income levels and compares. The
Treasury sample is only valid for the income levels originally selected
which presents a problem for the conclusions you're drawing.
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| User: "" |
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14 Nov 2007 02:23:42 PM |
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On Nov 14, 4:53?am, Art Clemons <ArtClem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:
The Census is based on "Opinion", the Treasury Figures are based on
FACT.........Nice "Try" though..........You Stupid Leftist Bastards
never Disappoint.........
Once again, you demonstrate you don't understand sampling.
Once again, you Leftist Pukes DON'T Understand FACTS........The
Treasury Dept Study was based on INCOME TAX INFORMATION whilst the
Census is based on Submitted, UNPROVEN
Conjecture...........Donchaknow...........Better Go Back To SCHOOL,
Dork..........
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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14 Nov 2007 05:07:17 PM |
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Once again, you Leftist Pukes DON'T Understand FACTS........The
Treasury Dept Study was based on INCOME TAX INFORMATION whilst the
Census is based on Submitted, UNPROVEN
Conjecture...........Donchaknow...........Better Go Back To SCHOOL,
Dork..........
Well, would you call Forbes a leftist source?
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/11/13/afx4332835.html
Note the conclusion, there are still gaps. Further, much of the growth
comparing parents to their offspring involved comparing the earnings of the
father alone to two income families with both parents working. Guess you
need to learn to read reports rather than relying on others to interpret
them for you, don't you? As for going back to school, I guess you'll have
to repeat 3rd grade again if you go back!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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15 Nov 2007 09:30:37 AM |
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Compared to the U.S. Treasury FACTS, I'd say they're not very well-
informed.............DumbAss..........
Let's note that Forbes analysis closely accords with reality. If for
example you selected a group with a high percentage of college grads with
relatively low income in 1996 and then compare their results in 2005, you
get a distorted picture. 58,000 people is a lot of people, but the sample
does not seem to have been representative, thus you get numbers but numbers
that don't seem to reflect the US!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
16 Nov 2007 04:50:17 PM |
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However, Forbes "Analysis" is Merely
"OPINION"..........Donchaknow........
In case you missed it, so was the WSJ opinion piece you quoted.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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17 Nov 2007 10:22:08 AM |
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In case you missed it, so was the WSJ opinion piece you quoted. ?
In case you missed it, the WSJ was Quoting a Study by the U.S.
TREASURY, DumbAss...........
In case you missed, the WSJ was giving its opinion of the results from the
study. That's why it was listed an opinion piece. Go back and read what
you posted. You're hoisted by your petard! Next!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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17 Nov 2007 11:54:36 PM |
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Nice "Try", Dork...........The WSJ is Citing
FACTS........Donchaknow...........Lefties HATE FACTS because FACTS
Prove Lefties WRONG Every Time...........Heehee..........
What you quoted was no more factual than the Forbes opinion piece. Just
because one referred to some numbers and offered an impression you happen
to agree with doesn't make it true. Forbes was just as "factual" as the
WSJ and you know it.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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18 Nov 2007 11:04:34 AM |
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NOPE........The U.S. Treaury has the FACTS, Dork...........
Unless you've read the report, you're relying on an opinion piece which
offered an interpretation of the report. If you read the report, you
should have noticed the same problems Forbes noted.
If I for example note that talk radio has more conservative and right wing
voices than liberal and left wing voices and extrapolate that to let's say
Public Radio around the country, you'ld have a fit for good reason!
Similarly, tax data on a selected group of taxpayers not drawn at random
has a sample problem.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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18 Nov 2007 12:37:46 PM |
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Naw........The Treasury Report and Forbes Magazine are APPLES &
ORANGES, Dork...........Btw, didja know Steve Forbes gets into
POLITICS?..........DumbAss............
Forbes is a conservative republican, next point!
The Treasury Report and the WSJ are different entities too.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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18 Nov 2007 10:36:38 PM |
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And you're saying Politicians "Don't" say anything to harm the
Policies or Credibility of Other Members of Their OWN
Parties?.......Boy are You S-T-U-P-I-D.............Better Lay Off the
Meds, Dork..........
Don't have to, however the WSJ isn't exactly a leftist rag either. It's
irrelevant, the question is how accurate the analysis is. The WSJ fell for
a poorly designed study, Forbes did not!
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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19 Nov 2007 04:26:41 AM |
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The WSJ based their article on FACTS from the U.S.Treasury,
DumbAss..........You AREN'T going to get around that, Dork........
One more time, they interpreted a report from the Treasury, facts are
meaningful only if they reflect reality. There is a distinct problem with
the interpretation offered by the WSJ, namely that it doesn't accord with
reality.
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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19 Nov 2007 04:55:29 AM |
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Now what makes anyone think you know what "Reality" is?..........You
are Sort Of S-T-U-P-I-D.............Donchaknow.........
I note you cannot rebut what the Forbes article claimed, you just repeat a
talking point. Isn't it time you began learning to rebut rather than just
claiming things you don't agree with just do not count?
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| User: "Art Clemons" |
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21 Nov 2007 11:29:14 AM |
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On Nov 19, 2:55?am, Art Clemons <ArtClem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:
Now what makes anyone think you know what "Reality" is?..........You
are Sort Of S-T-U-P-I-D.............Donchaknow.........
I note you cannot rebut what the Forbes article claimed, you just repeat
a talking point.
I DID Rebut It, Dork..........You just REFUSE to accept it, that's
all..........The Forbes Article is based on OPINION...........NOT
FACT.........The WSJ Article is based on FACTS from the U.S.
Treasury............Wanna go 'round the CIRCLE again,
DumbAss?.............
The problem is that you just declare the WSJ factual and the Forbes opinion
piece opinion based. You refuse to recognize that the WSJ article is not
really factual despite its declaration of supposed facts. In case you
missed it, the Forbes article also declares facts.
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| User: "tim" |
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16 Nov 2007 05:23:22 PM |
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Art Clemons wrote:
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
However, Forbes "Analysis" is Merely
"OPINION"..........Donchaknow........
In case you missed it, so was the WSJ opinion piece you quoted.
Forbes is owned by Globalist trash.
Yeah are getting real rich. 187.00 for gas, in my vehicle this past
week. Wife's? I don't know yet.
Thanksgiving menu hot dogs probably in addition to the regular beans and
taters.
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| User: "" |
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14 Nov 2007 04:37:55 AM |
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On 14 nov, 05:12, wrote:
On Nov 13, 6:16?pm, Art Clemons <ArtClem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
wrote:
Yup........The Old Leftist LIE about "the rich getting richer" has
been Shot DOWN by the U.S. Treasury Department.........It seems The
POOR Have been getting Richer and the Rich have been getting POORER
under President Bush........Ain't That A
HOOT?.........Donchaknow........
The problem for you is that Treasury tracked 58,000 taxpayers from 1996 to
2005 and based its conclusions on that data. The Census data which shows a
growing wealth gap takes a larger random sample. It thus comes down to
which method is more reliable. Treasury's data also wasn't truly random
since it followed the same folk and only folks within a certain income
range were originally selected.
The Census is based on "Opinion", the Treasury Figures are based on
FACT.........Nice "Try" though..........You Stupid Leftist Bastards
never Disappoint.........
NEITHER do demented rightards LIKE you...... heeeheeee....
donchaknow.....
Thanks to you, ***** Moo-Moo, shitburner, Jim E and brain-dead
hypocrite lair Pittance, everyone can see how pathetic rightards are.
Keep on the good work!
heeeeeeheeee.............. donchaknow...............
How's the national dept these days? And the dollar?
heeeeeheeeee..................
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
14 Nov 2007 08:27:10 AM |
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And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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14 Nov 2007 11:50:41 AM |
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"THX1138" <xxxTHX1138xxx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195050430.002847.46810@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
Nevermind paying down Bush's staggering war debt.
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| User: "THX1138" |
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14 Nov 2007 01:21:38 PM |
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On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
"THX1138" <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195050430.002847.46810@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
Nevermind paying down Bush's staggering war debt.
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
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14 Nov 2007 02:07:31 PM |
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On Nov 14, 2:21 pm, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
Of course, if a Repub wins they'll want to likewise shove down our
throats every military program and social control apparatus (can't
have any more Schiavo's or secret abortions, you know), then raise our
taxes to pay for it.
So according to you guys, whoever wins will jack up my taxes. At
least with the Dems, I may benefit from some social programs. The
military programs will mean squat. Yes, those super daisy wheel bombs
are REAL effective in Afghanistan and Iraq, effectiveness at killing
innocent people, letting the terrorists escape, and creating more
enemies for the U.S.
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14 Nov 2007 03:41:05 PM |
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On Nov 14, 12:07?pm, wrote:
On Nov 14, 2:21 pm, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
Of course, if a Repub wins they'll want to likewise shove down our
throats every military program and social control apparatus (can't
have any more Schiavo's or secret abortions, you know), then raise our
taxes to pay for it.
So according to you guys, whoever wins will jack up my taxes. At
least with the Dems, I may benefit from some social programs. The
military programs will mean squat.
Until your Wife & Kids get BLOWN UP by a Terrorist Bomb,
Dork...........
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
15 Nov 2007 09:18:21 AM |
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On 14 Nov 2007 13:41:05 -0800,
<> wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:07?pm, wrote:
On Nov 14, 2:21 pm, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
Of course, if a Repub wins they'll want to likewise shove down our
throats every military program and social control apparatus (can't
have any more Schiavo's or secret abortions, you know), then raise our
taxes to pay for it.
So according to you guys, whoever wins will jack up my taxes. At
least with the Dems, I may benefit from some social programs. The
military programs will mean squat.
Until your Wife & Kids get BLOWN UP by a Terrorist Bomb,
Dork...........
I'm more concerned about getting shafted, shot or run over by *Americans*,
Dork.
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16 Nov 2007 06:43:52 PM |
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On Nov 15, 7:18�am, (Karen Y Byrd) wrote:
On 14 Nov 2007 13:41:05 -0800,
�theloneranger...@aol.com <theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:07?pm, wrote:
On Nov 14, 2:21 pm, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
Of course, if a Repub wins they'll want to likewise shove down our
throats every military program and social control apparatus (can't
have any more Schiavo's or secret abortions, you know), then raise our
taxes to pay for it.
So according to you guys, whoever wins will jack up my taxes. �At
least with the Dems, I may benefit from some social programs. �The
military programs will mean squat.
Until your Wife & Kids get BLOWN UP by a Terrorist Bomb,
Dork...........
I'm more concerned about getting shafted, shot or run over by *Americans*,
Dork.- Hide quoted text -
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That's because you live in your Own Little Box, DumbAss..........
Consider these facts:
Here are stats on some things that actually killed American civilians
between 1995 and 2005. You could call it a National Terror Alert Reality
Check, and add colors at will for each level of risk:
SEVERE
Driving off the road: 254,419
Murder & Willful Manslaughter: 189,223*
First Degree Murder: 165,517*
Falling: 146,542
Accidental poisoning: 140,327
Murder by Firearms: 109,949
HIGH
Dying from work: 59,730
Walking down the street: 52,000
Accidental drowning: 38,302
ELEVATED
The flu: 19,415
Hernias: 16,742
GUARDED
Accidental gunshot: 8,536
Accidental electrocution: 5,171
LOW
Being shot by a police officer: 3,949
Terrorism: 3,147
Carbon monoxide in products: 1,554
* Murder statistics do not include deaths from attacks on 9/11
Terrorists have no ability to destroy America, but by playing on our
fears (aided and abetted enthusiastically by the Bush administration and
the loonies who believe there's a terrorist hiding under every bed), to
stampede the cowards among us to destroy ourselves. From the comments
I've read here, it seems like bin Laden is still getting returns from
the attacks of 9/11.
In his book, The Story of Civilization, Will Durant wrote, "A great
civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself
from within."
It is sickening to see a nation that used to believe that it was the
ultimate in Patriotism to be willing to sacrifice your life to protect
our Liberties, now can't give up their Freedoms fast enough if only
Dubya will protect their (obviously worthless) lives from the evil
International Communis...er, Terrorist Conspiracy. And then they have
the unmitigated chutzpah to denounce those who refuse to cower behind
Bush's authoritarian National Surveillance State.
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| User: "SCREWED AND CHOPPED" |
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:21:38 -0800, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138xxx@yahoo.com>
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On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
"THX1138" <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195050430.002847.46810@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
Nevermind paying down Bush's staggering war debt.
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
So...war debt is better than social programs. Gotcha.
--
Rob Cypher
robcypher.livejournal.com
RABID DOG AND SLAYER OF ALT.DRUGS.HARD
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
21 Nov 2007 12:29:34 PM |
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"SCREWED AND CHOPPED" <zbzazlzsztz3z2z@azozlz.czomz> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:21:38 -0800, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138xxx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
"THX1138" <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195050430.002847.46810@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
Nevermind paying down Bush's staggering war debt.
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
So...war debt is better than social programs. Gotcha.
Gotta love that Republican logic.
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| User: "Garry the Island Boy" |
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTINGPOORER!!" |
22 Nov 2007 10:44:13 AM |
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On Nov 21, 10:29 am, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
"SCREWED AND CHOPPED" <zbzazlzsztz3...@azozlz.czomz> wrote in messagenews:92k7k3lpm1je56r63b9kg260ldn600c0db@4ax.com...
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:21:38 -0800, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
"THX1138" <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195050430.002847.46810@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
Nevermind paying down Bush's staggering war debt.
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
So...war debt is better than social programs. Gotcha.
Gotta love that Republican logic.
No, you don't. .. why is it that WELFARE <consumer subsidy> gets
railed when the USGOVT <C> give millions to industries that make
money. . . no one on welfare gets rich, it is the ADMINSTRTORS of
welfare that cheat: multiple accounts, lost checks, etc, it is the
landlord, the power and water, the phone company that reap the
benefits of consumer subsidy. . . hell. as long as "they" don't rip
off my car stereo to buy bread, I'm OK with that. . .
Garry
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| User: "Karen Y Byrd" |
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| Title: Re: WOW! - "THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER AND THE RICH ARE GETTING POORER!!" |
15 Nov 2007 09:15:35 AM |
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:21:38 -0800, THX1138 <xxxTHX1138xxx@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
"THX1138" <xxxTHX1138...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195050430.002847.46810@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
And we better pray Queen Hillary Clinton does not occupy the oval
office or everyone will be poor.
Her wish list of social programs will require a massive tax increase
for everyone up to 50% plus new taxes.
Nevermind paying down Bush's staggering war debt.
Well no kidding, but hillary and the socialists still want to shove
every
social program they can down our throats and raise our taxes to
staggering
records causing a recession.
You're not paying attention. We may be in a recession before the
next president takes office.
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