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User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 09 Jul 2005 02:43:52 PM
Object: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so.
From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/8/05:
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_2848080
Feeling any safer after invading Iraq? Didn't think so
Leonard Pitts Jr.
MIAMI HERALD

Tell me again how the Iraq war has made us safer from terrorism.
Spin for me once more the theory of how, by drawing the terrorists'
attention there, we've made ourselves more secure here.
Point out for me again how we've suffered no terrorist attack since
the day George Bush took the fight to the enemy.
You'll have to speak up, though.
It's going to be hard to hear you over the explosions and sirens and
wails of the maimed in London.
Yes, you're right.
Thursday's coordinated bomb attacks on the Underground and a
double-decker bus happened there, not here.
But it is close enough to home - our staunchest ally in the Iraq war -
that maybe you'll agree the technicality doesn't matter.
Or if you don't agree, don't worry.
Sooner or later, one awful morning yet to come, it will be us again,
for real.
So maybe it's time we called a halt to this absurd game of claiming
the war President Bush chose to fight in Iraq was ever about
terrorism.
Or that it has done anything to protect us from another 9/11-type
attack on our soil.
This is how Bush put it last year:
''We are staying on the offensive - striking terrorists abroad - so we
do not have to face them here at home.''
It was a formulation echoed by members of his administration and by
countless writers of letters to the editor.
Just last month, in a speech designed to counter growing doubts about
the misadventure in Iraq, Bush was at it again, implying a link
between his invasion of that nation and the Sept. 11 attacks.
As if repeating an untruth loudly and forcefully will make it any less
untrue.
Or grind down the growing mountain of evidence that Bush was planning
to invade Iraq even as he took the oath of office, eight months before
that awful day in September.
In some sense, I recognize that I'm just moaning over spilled cow
juice here, something I find myself doing frequently these days
whenever the subject is Iraq.
After all, we cannot un-invade that country.
Cannot un-topple Saddam Hussein, cannot un-delude ourselves about
weapons of mass destruction, cannot un-ignore the will of the world,
cannot un-surrender the moral high ground.
Something else we cannot do, though it pains me to say it, is pack up
our soldiers and go home.
The president is uncharacteristically correct when he says a timetable
for withdrawal would only validate and embolden the Iraqi insurgency.
(I would argue, though, that it's not too much to ask that the
president provide a checklist of specific benchmarks which, when met,
would trigger a pullout.)
In other words, we're stuck.
In less elegant words, we're screwed - American lives and American
treasure committed to pacifying and rebuilding Iraq for the duration,
a period which, we are now told, may last another dozen years or more.
But if the milk is spilled, let's at least figure out how we did it so
that we don't spill again.
Here's my take:
Staggered and made to feel helpless by the Sept. 11 attacks, the
nation needed something to hit.
So we hit those that needed hitting - the Taliban, which had sheltered
Osama bin Laden - but we didn't stop there.
Apparently, we bought into the xenophobic notion that taking down a
Muslim tyrant who wasn't threatening us was the same as taking down
the Muslim extremists who had hurt us so badly.
Hopping mad and led by a president spoiling for a fight, we attacked
the wrong guy.
And many of us didn't care because it gave us the sense that we were
doing something.
It gave us false comfort.
It is past time we faced that fact.
At this writing, roughly 40 people are said to be dead in the London
attack and 700 injured.
Meantime, the U.S. casualty count in Iraq - dead and injured - stands
at 15,088 and rising.
It occurs to me that false comfort has come at a very high price.

______________________________________________________
Harry
.

User: ""

Title: Re: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so. 09 Jul 2005 02:56:14 PM
Harry Hope wrote:

From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/8/05:
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_2848080

Feeling any safer after invading Iraq? Didn't think so.

That's funny, Zarkawi, Uday, Qusay and the thousands of terrorists
killed in Iraq aren't feeling any safer either.


Leonard Pitts Jr.

MIAMI HERALD


Tell me again how the Iraq war has made us safer from terrorism.

Spin for me once more the theory of how, by drawing the terrorists'
attention there, we've made ourselves more secure here.

Point out for me again how we've suffered no terrorist attack since
the day George Bush took the fight to the enemy.

You'll have to speak up, though.

It's going to be hard to hear you over the explosions and sirens and
wails of the maimed in London.

Yes, you're right.

Thursday's coordinated bomb attacks on the Underground and a
double-decker bus happened there, not here.

But it is close enough to home - our staunchest ally in the Iraq war -
that maybe you'll agree the technicality doesn't matter.

Or if you don't agree, don't worry.

Sooner or later, one awful morning yet to come, it will be us again,
for real.

So maybe it's time we called a halt to this absurd game of claiming
the war President Bush chose to fight in Iraq was ever about
terrorism.

Or that it has done anything to protect us from another 9/11-type
attack on our soil.

This is how Bush put it last year:

''We are staying on the offensive - striking terrorists abroad - so we
do not have to face them here at home.''

It was a formulation echoed by members of his administration and by
countless writers of letters to the editor.

Just last month, in a speech designed to counter growing doubts about
the misadventure in Iraq, Bush was at it again, implying a link
between his invasion of that nation and the Sept. 11 attacks.

As if repeating an untruth loudly and forcefully will make it any less
untrue.

Or grind down the growing mountain of evidence that Bush was planning
to invade Iraq even as he took the oath of office, eight months before
that awful day in September.

In some sense, I recognize that I'm just moaning over spilled cow
juice here, something I find myself doing frequently these days
whenever the subject is Iraq.

After all, we cannot un-invade that country.

Cannot un-topple Saddam Hussein, cannot un-delude ourselves about
weapons of mass destruction, cannot un-ignore the will of the world,
cannot un-surrender the moral high ground.

Something else we cannot do, though it pains me to say it, is pack up
our soldiers and go home.

The president is uncharacteristically correct when he says a timetable
for withdrawal would only validate and embolden the Iraqi insurgency.

(I would argue, though, that it's not too much to ask that the
president provide a checklist of specific benchmarks which, when met,
would trigger a pullout.)

In other words, we're stuck.

In less elegant words, we're screwed - American lives and American
treasure committed to pacifying and rebuilding Iraq for the duration,
a period which, we are now told, may last another dozen years or more.

But if the milk is spilled, let's at least figure out how we did it so
that we don't spill again.

Here's my take:

Staggered and made to feel helpless by the Sept. 11 attacks, the
nation needed something to hit.

So we hit those that needed hitting - the Taliban, which had sheltered
Osama bin Laden - but we didn't stop there.

Apparently, we bought into the xenophobic notion that taking down a
Muslim tyrant who wasn't threatening us was the same as taking down
the Muslim extremists who had hurt us so badly.

Hopping mad and led by a president spoiling for a fight, we attacked
the wrong guy.

And many of us didn't care because it gave us the sense that we were
doing something.

It gave us false comfort.

It is past time we faced that fact.

At this writing, roughly 40 people are said to be dead in the London
attack and 700 injured.

Meantime, the U.S. casualty count in Iraq - dead and injured - stands
at 15,088 and rising.

It occurs to me that false comfort has come at a very high price.

______________________________________________________

Harry

.
User: "c-bee1"

Title: Re: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so. 09 Jul 2005 06:06:52 PM
<awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:

From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/8/05:
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_2848080

Feeling any safer after invading Iraq? Didn't think so.


That's funny, Zarkawi, Uday, Qusay and the thousands of terrorists
killed in Iraq aren't feeling any safer either.

What thousands of terrorists?
.

User: "jg"

Title: Re: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so. 09 Jul 2005 09:23:06 PM
You sure as hell can leave the only thing keeping troops in Iraq is the
inaction of the American public to put an end to it. Packing up the trucks
and moving to the Sea and Air ports is a pretty simple thing to do.
What occurs in Iraq after you leave is not at all relevant. Just leave. You
wont rebuild a damn thing nor will you ever stop the "insurgency" Leaving
will stop at least some of the death though. The rest is up to the Iraqis.
Eventfully this will occur and thanks to Bush you'll have a whole new
country full of very pissed of Islamic funides to deal with.
.


User: "Figaro"

Title: Re: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so. 09 Jul 2005 03:12:41 PM
On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:43:52 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


From The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/8/05:
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_2848080

Feeling any safer after invading Iraq? Didn't think so

I certainly do. Thanks to President Dimbulb and his gang the cost of gasoline is
keeping me at home where I'm safe instead of on the highways. It's also keeping me off
the airlines because--thanks to that buffoon--the threat of terrorist attacks could
blow the plane out of the sky. And even if I were willing to risk flying overseas on
vacation the chance of being targeted for attack because I'm an American is enough to
keep me safe and snug at home. Just another benefit of living in Bush country...what's
left of it.
Figaro


.
User: ""

Title: Re: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so. 09 Jul 2005 03:51:29 PM
The London bombings seem to have stirred the Brits into questioning the
wisdom of hitching their wagons to Bush. Well glad to see something
good come of it.
Trident
Brits Debate Iraq Factor in Bombings
Commentators Argue Over How Best to Fight Threat of Terrorism
By Jefferson Morley
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Friday, July 8, 2005; 12:33 PM
What prompted the bombs in London yesterday? Did the war in Iraq fuel
the attacks that killed at least 50 Londoners or was it Islamic
fundamentalism?
On the day after "the worst attack since World War II," that
fundamental question divides British commentators, even as the
country's political leaders unanimously decry the attacks.
The question matters because the answer suggests how Britain and the
West can most effectively respond to a deadly threat that traditional
security forces were unable to prevent.
Robert Fisk of the Independent (by subscription), while condemning the
attacks as "barbaric," asked, "If we are fighting insurgency in Iraq,
what makes us think insurgency won't come to us?" He quoted Osama bin
Laden's videotaped threat from last year: "'If you bomb our cities, we
will bomb yours."
"It was crystal clear Britain would be a target ever since Tony Blair
decided to join George Bush's 'war on terror' and his invasion of
Iraq," Fisk said.
"It's no use Mr Blair telling us yesterday that 'they will never
succeed in destroying what we hold dear,'" he went on. "'They' are not
trying to destroy 'what we hold dear.' They are trying to get public
opinion to force Blair to withdraw from Iraq, from his alliance with
the United States, and from his adherence to Bush's policies in the
Middle East."
Christopher Hitchens, writing in the Mirror, excoriates those who look
to assign blame at home.
"I know perfectly well there are people thinking, and even saying, that
Tony Blair brought this upon us by his alliance with George Bush," he
said.
"A word of advice to them: try and keep it down, will you? Or wait at
least until the funerals are over. And beware of the non-sequitur: you
can be as opposed to the Iraq operation as much as you like, but you
can't get from that 'grievance' to the detonating of explosives at rush
hour on London buses and tubes.
"Don't even try to connect the two," Hitchens said. By such logic,
"British squaddies in Iraq are the root cause of dead bodies at home.
How can anyone bear to be so wicked and stupid? How can anyone bear to
act as a megaphone for psychotic killers?"
When George Galloway, the controversial antiwar member of parliament,
made that argument on Thursday, the Daily Mail condemned his "twisted
logic."
Iranian journalist Amin Taheri, writing in the Times, said "Sorry, old
chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything
specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger
management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want
something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every
single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will
feel it his divine duty to kill you."
Those who blame the Iraq war for the London attacks, said the editors
of the Daily Telegraph, "misread the nature of the struggle."
The jihadist offensive, they said, "goes back to the 1993 assault on
the World Trade Centre in New York, the same which was destroyed eight
years later." It continued with bombings in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and
1996, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in
1998, and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000.
"So, well before September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden and his likes had
taken the battle to the enemy," they write. "Iraq may have added a new
theatre to the war on global terror but, even without it, the West and
its Asian allies would be locked in combat with bin Laden and his
affiliates."
But the London bombings, countered former foreign secretary Robin Cook
in the Guardian, disprove one of the chief American arguments for the
war.
"President Bush is given to justifying the invasion of Iraq on the
grounds that by fighting terrorism abroad, it protects the west from
having to fight terrorists at home," Cook wrote.
"Whatever else can be said in defence of the war in Iraq today, it
cannot be claimed that it has protected us from terrorism on our soil."
If there were common ground in the post-attack debate it was that
Muslim public opinion is key to ending the terrorist threat.
"The more the west emphasizes confrontation, the more it silences
moderate voices in the Muslim world who want to speak up for
cooperation," said Cook. "Success will only come from isolating the
terrorists and denying them support, funds and recruits, which means
focusing more on our common ground with the Muslim world than on what
divides us."
The Bush administration's message that "America and the world are safer
because of the US invasion of Iraq and its anti-terror strategy ... may
have been finally buried by Thursday's bombings in London," said the
centrist Financial Times.
"Clearly [the world] is not safer," said John Hamre, president of the
Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies in
Washington and a former U.S. deputy secretary of defense. "I think this
[bombing] highlights the complexity of the problem."
"We must defend a vast infrastructure constantly while extremists get
to pick the time and place with very limited tools," Hamre told the FT.
"Obviously we must try to intercept the terrorists. But we must also
address the broader socio-political context. We can't solve this with a
relatively limited dimensional model of counterforce. Being mighty is
one thing. Being effective is another."
Hitchens spoke for many Britons when he said the bombers' "sordid love
of death is as nothing compared to our love of London which we will
defend as always, and which will survive this with ease."
But the question of whether the Anglo-American military presence in
Iraq protects or endangers commuters in Western capitals is now more
urgent than ever.
=A9 2005 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive
.


User: "Bret Cahill"

Title: Re: You feelin' any safer since Bush invaded Iraq? Didn't think so. 09 Jul 2005 02:56:43 PM
Rightards love pat sounding rhetoric.
Bret Cahill
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