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"Harry Dope" |
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07 Aug 2007 05:38:40 PM |
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Vehicle With Explosives Stopped in South Carolina
A vehicle with explosives being driven by two Middle Eastern men were
stopped in Charleston:
Local police outside Charleston, South Carolina stopped a vehicle in which
they found what were suspected to be explosives, according to media reports
late Saturday.
Two men described as being of possibly Middle Eastern origin were in the
vehicle, which was stopped on a highway.
A police bomb squad was at the scene and preparing to examine the vehicle,
a local television reported told the Cable News Network
Still early in the investigation but more news should be out soon.
UPDATE
A bit more:
The FBI and the Berkeley County Sheriff's Department are investigating
what they think are explosives found in a car in Goose Creek.
Police say part of Highway 176 in Berkeley County is closed, and traffic
is limited to local residents around Mount Holly Road.
WIS News 10's sister station in Charleston, WCBD, reports authorities
pulled over a suspicious car at around 6:00pm Saturday. Officers asked to
search the vehicles, and discovered what investigators say are "possible
explosives" located in the trunk.
Once federal agents were brought in and analyzed the situation, an
FBI-controlled robot pulled a bag filled with the suspicious items from the
vehicle.
The two men inside the vehicle, which is reported to have Florida tags,
have been detained at the scene.
UPDATE II
Even more:
According to Lt. Vince Lombardo, deputies discovered the suspicious items
in the trunk during a traffic stop. The two men inside the vehicle are
detained at the scene. Lombardo also said information from an investigation
in another jurisdiction raised the suspicions of the deputies.
And from a commenter at FR:
Goose Creek is the location of a large naval base. The base is open many
areas. There are some areas on the base where the number of military
casualties could be fairly sizable on a Saturday night. For that matter, a
lot of military dependents could be included. These guys need 50 feet of
rope between them after six months with an Egyptian interrogator.
The plot grows thicker
UPDATE III
Well, it appears it went from explosives to items of interest overnight:
A highway was shut down outside Charleston after police found a
"suspicious item" in a car during a traffic stop, authorities said Sunday.
Charleston County Sheriff Al Cannon would not say what the item was, but
said that a bomb squad planned to demolish it.
Cannon said two men who were in the car were still at the scene at 2 a.m.
An FBI agent said officials were trying to determine whether a crime had
been committed.
Julie Johnson, assistant special agent-in-charge for the FBI in Columbia,
said there was "no immediate threat," The (Charleston) Post and Courier
reported late Saturday.
Law enforcement officials closed the road about 7 p.m. after the traffic
stop in Goose Creek, home to the Naval Weapons Station. The station houses
the U.S. Naval Consolidated Brig, a military prison where enemy combatants
have been held.
The traffic stop took place about 7 miles from the sprawling Navy
facility.
Johnson said the FBI was still trying to determine whether a crime had
been committed but that there was "no immediate threat" related to the
traffic stop.
But it does appear it was an explosive of some kind, just not a huge one.
The bomb squad detonated it and it went "pop"...not "boom":
The item made a loud bang, similar to a firecracker, when it was
demolished, authorities said.
But the men were being held for possession of explosives:
Berkeley County sheriff's Lt. Vince Lombard said the men were being held
pending a charge of unlawful possession of an explosive device.
Now, I'm guessing a pipe bomb. It would not be illegal fireworks because
I've never heard of anyone calling out the bomb squad over fireworks. From
a commenter:
176 leads right into the Naval Weapons Station. It isn't military families
at risk. NWS is the home of 2 sub squadrons and also the storage depot for
our nukes and up to 60 million lbs. of conventional ordinance.
Hmmm
UPDATE IV
Just saw on CNN that the two men were not US citizens, were of Middle
Eastern decent, and aged 21 and 24. Trying to find word of this on the
wires right now.
UPDATE V
CNN, which seems to be the only station reporting on this, is reporting that
illegal firearms were found in the car along with one explosive device and
igniters. Still haven't seen anything in print.
UPDATE VI
Finally! ABC news via The Corner:
Two men are being held in the Berkeley County Detention Center after
police find explosive making devices in their car. The men had at least one
ready to go bomb and bomb making materials that include chemicals. The men
21-year-old Yousef Megahed and 24-year-old Ahmed Mohamed were pulled over
Saturday evening during a routine traffic stop near Myers Road and Highway
176. Among the explosive devices found were igniters and fusers. Few
details about the suspects are known at this time. They are believed to be
students at a Florida college. They are of Middle Eastern descent and are
not US citizens. Neither man has been charged, but charges are expected
Monday. A press conference will be held at the Berkeley County Sheriff's
office Monday at 11:30 in the morning. Among the potential charges is
possession of unlawful explosives. Officials are not at this time releasing
any additional information on the number of charges or types of explosive
devices they found.
Could be fireworks, could be something else. Either way its mighty strange
for these two to have this stuff near that Navy base.
UPDATE VII
Changed the title and took out "loaded" since it now appears that explosives
was indeed found but not a huge amount. Enough to cause suspicion tho. Two
non-US Middle Eastern men driving by a Nuclear training base with explosive
making material is just a bit suspicious.
UPDATE VIII 08-06-07
Andy McCarthy with some additional information:
In the late evening on Saturday, two non-Americans of Middle Eastern
descent, Ahmed Mohamed and Yousef Megahed, who appear to be in the U.S. to
pursue engineering studies in Florida, were pulled over for speeding in a
van on Highway 176 in Goose Creek, near Charleston, South Carolina. Goose
Creek is home to the United States Naval Weapons Station, which, among other
things, houses the brig where some U.S. citizens alleged to be unlawful
enemy combatants have been held.
One of the men reportedly tried to hide a laptop computer. Police became
suspicious. Eventually, the vehicle was searched. Initially, there was a
report that one completed bomb and other explosives related compounds were
found. Later reports indicate that police found PVC (polyvinyl Chloride)
piping (which can be used in making pipe bombs but also has many other
industrial uses), model rocket motors (model rocket engine igniters can also
be used as charges for pipe bombs), and other "suspicious" materials which
have not been revealed yet (to make pipe bombs you would need some kind of
explosive substance).
Police closed the highway for several hours, well into Sunday morning.
Moreover, at about 2:45 a.m., they did a controlled detonation of
something - not yet described although it apparently sounded to witnesses
like fireworks.
The FBI is said to be casting doubt on whether there really was a bomb.
Based on what we think we know, this sounds to me like there could be a
dispute about whether the components were assembled into something that
would qualify under the federal bomb laws (18 USC Sec. 841) as an "explosive
material" - as opposed to either (a) uncoupled "blasting agents" and
"detonators," which might indicate an intention to assemble bombs, or (b)
something totally innocent, which would suggest there has been misreporting
about what was found in the van. I do not know whether South Carolina law
defines bombs (or "explosive materials") the same way federal law does.
An FBI spokesman is also reported to have said there are no "links to
terrorism." As the possession of a bomb would actually be an incident of
terrorism, not merely a link to it, I have to think this means there is - at
least as yet - no indication that the men being detained have ties to known
foreign terrorist organizations. As the intelligence community's recently
released NIE related, however, the mass availability of jihadist ideology
(via the Internet in particular) is catalyzing jihadism even in the absence
of formal connections to a group like al Qaeda. Thus, the lack of links to
known terrorist groups would not be very comforting. I'd also observe that
it's been less than two days since these guys were arrested (on a late
Saturday night no less), so there has hardly been time yet to do a thorough
investigation of their backgrounds and associations.
It will be interesting to hear what the state authorities have to say.
UPDATE: Charleston Post & Courier reports that the vehicle was a sedan,
not a van. Press conference is scheduled for 11:30 a.m. Any charges filed
at this point will be state, not federal. A CAIR spokesman says it's all a
misunderstanding according to the family - the two men are "really naive
kids" who were riding around on a pleasure trip to South Carolina in a car
that happened to have fireworks left over from the 4th of July. Feds are
continuing to investigate but, again, saying that there are no known links
to terrorism at this point.
All just a misunderstanding you see? Out for a pleasure ride.
Yeah....
UPDATE IX 1155hrs PST
Andy McCarthy with some update info:
Ahmed Abda Sherf Mohamed, 24, and Youssef Samir Megahed, 21, have been
charged by authorities in South Carolina with possession of an incendiary
advice, a felony punishable by at least two and up to fifteen years'
imprisonment. AP quotes the sheriff as saying: "They admitted to having
what they said were fireworks. Based on the officer's judgment at hand,
based on what he had seen, we judged it to be other than fireworks."
Authorities remain tight-lipped about exactly what they found in the car.
Their bomb technicians did detonate something seized from the car at 2:45
a.m. Sunday.
The two are engineering students at the University of South Florida's
campus at Tampa - the same school where Prof. Sami al-Arian, while a
computer science professor USF's College of Engineering, was running an
outpost of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organization. Al-Arian
pled guilty in 2006 to conspiring to provide services to PIJ. The FBI, it
should be noted, has not altered its earlier statement that no terror ties
have been established.
Got to love the FBI, play down anything related to terrorism.
Middle Eastern men driving around with explosives....what terrorism?
UPDATE X 1935hrs PST
Pretty high bail set for a couple of rocket enthusiasts huh?
Now the men will have to post a combined $800,000 in bond to get out of
jail, a circuit judge decided this afternoon.
Youseff Megahed, 21, and Ahmed Mohamed, 24, have been charged with
possession of an incendiary device, Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt
announced today. If convicted of the charges, the men could face between 2
to 15 years in prison.
Mohamed's bond was set at $500,000 while Megahed's was set at $300,000.
Just out for a little Sunday drive with their toy rockets. Nothing to see
here folks, move along.
UPDATE XI 08-07-07 0820hrs PST
Now these guys were on the way to North Carolina on a road which would not
get them there and the passenger was on his laptop while the driver sped by
the base.
The leader of a Muslim advocacy group who has been talking with Megahed's
family said the two were heading to North Carolina to celebrate Mohamed's
birthday, which was Sunday.
"Family members are very concerned, shocked about what has developed,"
said Ahmed Bedier, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on
American-Islamic Relations.
The contents of the trunk might have been part of the celebration, he
said.
~~~
An affidavit from the Berkeley County Sheriff's Office said officers from
the bomb squad determined that pipe bombs were in the trunk. Pipe bombs are
homemade explosives, and making or having them is a felony.
~~~
A Berkeley County deputy said he pulled over the 2000 Toyota Camry for
going more than 60 mph in a 45 mph zone. Megahed was driving. Mohamed was
using a laptop computer in the passenger's seat and closed it when a deputy
approached, Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt said.
The deputy asked to search the car, and the two consented, DeWitt said.
When the deputy asked if there was anything in the car he should be aware
of, the men said there were fireworks in the trunk, DeWitt said.
The laptop, along with everything else seized from the car, was handed
over to the FBI for processing, DeWitt said, declining to elaborate on what
they seized or the specific materials found in the trunk.
The FBI also wasn't saying anything definite about what they found. "Right
now, we're still in the investigative stages," said Denise Taiste, an FBI
spokeswoman in Columbia.
Mike in the comment section:
Interesting that the two men claim they were on their way to a brother's
birthday party in North Carolina. If so, they were seriously on the wrong
road. If they were heading from Florida to North Carolina there's no good
reason they would have gotten off I-95 and gone East.
Nope, the whole story seems a bit too made up for me.
--
Eight years before 9/11, on Feb. 26, 1993, Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida
terrorist network declared war against the United States with a deadly
attack on the World Trade Center. Al-Qaida continued to wage war on the U.S.
throughout the Clinton administration, attacking Khobar Towers in 1996, two
U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998, and the U.S.S. Cole in 2000.
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07 Aug 2007 06:51:35 PM |
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"Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote in message
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A vehicle with explosives being driven by two Middle Eastern men were
stopped in Charleston:
Gee. Maybe we should invade Iraq so that we can fight them over there
instead of fighting them here.
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"History! Read it and weep!"
-Bokonon
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When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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07 Aug 2007 07:18:53 PM |
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"Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote in message
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Vehicle With Explosives Stopped in South Carolina
Dang, I thot Bush said te surge was working.................
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07 Aug 2007 05:44:02 PM |
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"Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote in message
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Vehicle With Explosives Stopped in South Carolina
That's pretty funny since Bush put all anti-terrorist programs on "the back
burner" right after he came into office and was warned by the Clinton
administration that terrorism was going to be his number one problem.
Now all you anti-American fascist types are war whooping. Where were you
when Bush was taking his entire year off after being selected?
Get your ***** over to Iraq and start taking some fire, you pathetic little
hypocrite.
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08 Aug 2007 03:03:14 PM |
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Advice for Patriots
By Dr. William Pierce
Today let's talk about some of the things that have changed in America
since September 11. I'm not thinking about all of the new rigamarole
at airports or about how Mr. Bush's campaign of cruise-missile
diplomacy in the Middle East is going or even about how opening the
mail each morning in media offices around the country and in
politicians' offices in Washington has become a much more exciting
operation than it used to be
when Ted Kaczynski was the only person putting dangerous things into
letters.
I'm more interested in the changes in the Politically Correct party
line laid down for the lemmings by the media. I'm interested in
changes in the way Americans view the world. And I'm interested in the
changed prospects for the future of America.
The most interesting thing about the new party line is its stupidity.
The Jews were caught by surprise last month, and they had to whip up
something in a hurry in order to deflect blame from Israel and from
the U.S. government's support for Israel. Apparently the best they
could do on a moment's notice is the explanation that Osama bin Laden
attacked us
simply because he hates our freedom and democracy. Since they first
cooked up that explanation they've refined it quite a bit. Both the
Foreign Ministry in Israel and the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee, Israel's enormously powerful lobby in Washington, have been
circulating "talking papers" to their own people, to politicians, and
to everyone else who is likely to be making a public statement about
America's new war or about Washington's past policy in the Middle
East.
These "talking papers" tell people how to counter what the Jews call
Osama bin Laden's "lies" and also how to respond to anyone who
suggests that our government's support of Israel might have had
something to do with the September 11 attack. The papers warn people
never to raise this subject, but if someone else insists on talking
about it, it is to be
countered with the explanation that support for Israel had nothing at
all to do with the attack, that we would have been attacked even if we
weren't supporting Israel, and that the only reason for the attack is
Osama bin Laden's irrational hatred of America's freedom and
democracy.
I believe that it's clear that many people actually believe this
nonsense, judging by the number of cars with red, white, and blue
ribbons tied to their antennas. But these are the people who believe
everything Tom Brokaw or their beloved Big Brother in the White House
tells them. If George Bush came on TV and told them with that
mock-solemn expression of his that a Martian invasion force had just
landed, that the Martians were demanding one million sacrificial
virgins as their price for not destroying Hollywood and Washington,
and that U.S. Army troops would be going door to door to collect
virgins, the folks with the ribbons on their antennas would believe
it, and they would prepare to hand over any virgins in their
households. They would consider it their patriotic duty. The party
line may change from time to time, but lemmings never change.
Well, the lemmings may believe that U.S. support for Israel had
nothing to do with the September 11 attack or with the anthrax-laden
letters now going around, but no one else believes it. Last week the
media bosses were kicking themselves because they had let the text of
a statement Osama bin Laden had made be published in the United
States. They said that they had made a mistake in putting this
statement before the American public. They wouldn't publish any
further Osama bin Laden statements, they said, because the statements
might contain secret instructions for his operatives.
Everyone I've spoken with laughed at that excuse. In his last
statement Osama bin Laden said that Americans would not be secure and
would have no peace of mind as long as Palestinians were not secure in
their own land. That's the sort of powerful and simple message that
even Sally Soccer Mom and Joe Sixpack might understand, and that's
what the Jewish media bosses don't want the public to hear. They're
not worried about secret instructions; they're worried about the
lemmings figuring out what's going on.
Actually, I think there's very little danger of that. And really, the
changes I'm more interested in are in the outlook of the minority of
the population able to think for itself: the minority that doesn't
believe whatever Tom Brokaw says. You know, I've been talking to this
minority for years-decades, actually-warning them about the
consequences of letting their government get out of control, warning
them of the consequences of permitting the Jews of Hollywood and New
York to run our country through their control of our mass media,
warning them of the consequences of continuing to sit on their hands
and keep their mouths shut from fear of being denounced by the media
as "anti-Semites" or "racists."
And I wasn't having as much success as I wanted at getting them to pay
attention and change their ways. Many of those who listened wouldn't
do anything because what I was warning them about didn't seem quite
real. Despite all the changes they could see around them-the
deterioration of our cities and our schools, the darkening of the
racial complexion of America, the trashing of our culture by the mass
media, the increasingly
obvious efforts of the Jewish media bosses to persuade our young women
that they should bed down with non-Whites-despite everything, they
themselves managed to remain comfortable and economically secure, so
the things I was warning them about didn't seem quite real. They had
convinced themselves that they were above it all, that they could
continue to watch the destruction of their country and their people
all around them, and it would never affect them personally: that they
could remain secure and comfortable while everything around them went
to hell. Osama bin Laden jolted some of them awake on September 11:
some of those whose attention I hadn't been able to catch with my own
warnings. He convinced some of them that what they had been observing
going on around them for years was in fact real: that continuing to
ignore the degenerative processes promoted by the media and the
government and hoping for the best really wasn't a good strategy for
personal survival. In particular, he convinced many members of the
thinking minority that losing control of our government really is a
serious matter, that
permitting our government to be used by the Jews against their
neighbors in the Middle East-and also against the genuine interests of
the American people-could have real consequences at home.
I have the feeling that many of these thinking people are paying at
least a little more attention now to the things we've been talking
about here every week. The fact that the number of people who download
these broadcasts from my Web site each Saturday has nearly doubled
since September 11 is a pretty good indication of this, I believe.
Just as I'm getting more hate mail from the red-white-and-blue-ribbon
types, I'm also getting more thoughtful responses from the people who
understand and care. Which is to say, I think I have an audience now
that not only is bigger but also is more attentive and responsive.
That is really important.
I'm not discouraged by the fact that the attentive and responsive
people still constitute only a minority of a minority. I'm encouraged
by the fact that the attentive people now make up a larger minority of
the thinking portion of the population than they did before September
11. Important things always are done by minorities. Majorities don't
make
decisions; individuals do; small minorities do. History is made by
active minorities. Sometimes an active minority may use the passive
majority as a tool or a weapon, but the minority always acts in accord
with its own will.
What's important is which minority is making the decisions, which
minority is active at any particular moment. For at least the past 60
years it's been the wrong minority, an alien minority that is
implacably hostile to our people. If we are to survive, that must
change. Our minority must become active instead. Our minority must
grow to include more of the thinking portion of our population. And
that is happening now. That's been happening since September 11.
The people who understand and care have been forced to begin paying
attention. I have a very strong premonition that there will be other
things in the reasonably near future that will make them pay even
closer attention. The Bush government, just like the Clinton
government before it, thinks that it can stop terrorism with cruise
missiles and smart bombs. But just think for a moment: whether Osama
bin Laden survives the Bush government's current war against Israel's
enemies in the Middle East or not, he already has become immortal. In
the eyes of Muslims he has been elevated to a status in heaven
alongside Mohammed. His name will be praised, and stories will be told
about him around campfires throughout the Muslim world for countless
generations to come, long
after the Bush government has gone and been forgotten. Cruise missiles
can't take Osama bin Laden's immortality away from him. There's
nothing the Bush government can do to diminish his glory in the Muslim
world. In fact, the more cruise missiles and smart bombs the United
States unleashes on the Muslim world, the higher will Osama bin
Laden's esteem rise; the more will his strike against the United
States seem justified to his fellow Muslims.
Don't be fooled by the tame "house Muslims" the media bosses have been
trotting out to explain to the lemmings that violence is abhorrent to
"real Muslims." The real Muslims are the ones rioting against the
government in Pakistan now. The real Muslims are the ones singing
Osama bin Laden's praises now. And there will be no shortage of other
young Muslims lusting for a share in his glory, lusting to have their
praises sung around campfires too. Cruise missiles don't frighten
them. There are enough of them already in this country to keep things
jumping, thanks to the government's insane immigration policy of
recent decades. The anthrax-laced letters that have been going around
all were mailed from inside this country. And anthrax is by no means
the nastiest thing that can be mailed in an envelope. The media won't
even mention the biological warfare agents the government is really
afraid of, because they don't want to give anyone ideas.
The fact is, terrorism has been made much more fashionable since
September 11, and the stakes have been raised. Simple truck bombs
won't get much respect in the future, but I have a suspicion that
we'll see a few more of them anyway. And I suspect that we'll also see
people trying to outdo Osama bin Laden's September 11 televised
extravaganza. The
government and the media suspect the same thing, and they're
frightened. That's why they're trying so desperately to stifle dissent
and keep everyone pledging allegiance to the flag.
At the University of California in Los Angeles a library worker,
53-year-old Jonnie Hargis, has been suspended without pay because he
sent out an e-mail letter criticizing U.S. support for Israel's
aggression. The university administration explained that it has a
policy against using university computers for political messages, but
Hargis, who has worked at the UCLA library for 22 years, pointed out
that no one who has been sending out pro-Israel and pro-war messages
has been punished.
There are similar situations at other universities around the country.
Jews and neo-conservatives post belligerent, bloodthirsty messages
calling for the annihilation of all of the Jews' enemies in the Middle
East, including Iraq and Iran as well as Afghanistan. Anyone who calls
instead for eliminating the cause of the September 11 attack-that is,
for stopping the blind support by the U.S. government of Israel's
aggression-is censured and threatened with expulsion or with being
fired.
There are still people around who can remember how it was at our
universities during the Vietnam war. That was when treason ruled on
campuses. Students burned their draft cards and put up Viet Cong flags
and posters of Ho Chi Minh in their dormitories. Jewish activists in
groups such as Students for a Democratic Society organized pro-Viet
Cong
rallies on campuses. Professors encouraged this activity, and
administrators didn't interfere, citing free speech.
The switch to red, white, and blue ribbons and saluting the flag came
rather suddenly last month, and a lot of thinking people understand
why it came. They understand that it is when America is involved in a
war to promote Jewish interests that pledging allegiance to the flag
suddenly is declared fashionable. When Israel's welfare is threatened,
Jews, ordinarily noted for their cynicism and irreverence, suddenly
put their hands over their hearts and begin singing The Star-Spangled
Banner, and they glare at anyone who isn't singing loudly enough. And
people who make the mistake of asking why get fired or suspended. But
you know, firing people or suspending people who have dissenting
opinions doesn't go down well with the independent thinkers. And I'll
guarantee you:
there will be a lot more dissent before this war is over. And the
Jewish media won't be able to hide it all.
What we are beginning to see now is a sharpening division between the
Jews, their bought politicians, and the "I pledge allegiance,"
authoritarian types on one side, and everyone else on the other side.
We also saw a division, along different lines, during the Vietnam war,
with the authoritarians and the Jews on opposite sides instead of the
same
side. I believe that the division this time will develop faster and
become sharper.
I don't know how the war itself will develop. It was clear before it
began that the U.S. military machine is quite capable of flattening
Afghanistan or any other Third World country without suffering any
significant losses to its own personnel, simply because we can hit
them from a distance with a great deal of destructive power, and they
don't have the means to hit back-except through what we call
"terrorism." It is certain that there will be more terrorism,
although, of course, I cannot predict the form it will take or its
magnitude.
I can predict, however, that the media and the politicians will
denounce it as "cowardly" and will act as if America has been wronged:
that whatever form the next blow against America takes and wherever it
comes from, it will be declared "unprovoked." And I can predict that
the polls published by the media will continue to show nearly every
American
wildly enthusiastic about the war, even as the opposition to the war
grows.
One interesting thing about the opposition this time is that it is
growing both among the Gentile Left and among genuine patriots. During
the Vietnam war the members of the Gentile Left all were on the Jewish
side. Despite the current agreement between leftists and patriots on
the single issue of ending support for Israel and limiting the war in
the
Middle East, I don't see much chance of real collaboration between
these two elements. The Gentile Left is still hopelessly confused on
such essential issues as race and feminism and homosexuality and
permissiveness. But the war is indeed driving a wedge between Jews and
Gentile leftists-a deeper wedge than that driven by the development of
Jewish neo-conservatism after the Vietnam war, and for that we should
be thankful.
There may be other hopeful developments as well. The assassination in
Jerusalem this week of one of Israel's most bloodthirsty Jewish
militants by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
certainly was a welcome move. Until now all of the assassins have been
Jews, and all of the victims have been Palestinians. It's too soon to
know whether
or not this one act of retribution against the Israeli leadership will
be followed by other successful blows, but it may be that the events
of recent weeks have emboldened the Palestinians to act with more
imagination and enterprise than before.
Looking ahead a bit, there are several signs of hope here on our own
home front. The heightened sense of reality among non-lemmings, the
lessening of their sense of detachment, the stronger realization that
they cannot survive by continuing to sit on their hands and watch the
Jews destroy the world around them- -- this is the single most
important consequence of recent events. This, together with the
growing alienation between Gentile leftists and Jews, leaves the Jews
in a weaker position than they have been in a long time. They will
crack their whips more frantically than before, trying to keep
everyone in line, but the principal effect of that will be to generate
even more resentment against them.
Things are a bit brittle now. A few dozen more anthrax cases, another
truck bomb in a well chosen location, and substantial changes could
take place in a hurry: a stock market panic, martial law measures by
the Bush government, and a sharpening of the debate as to how we got
ourselves get into this mess in the first place. As the debate
sharpens, the Jews and their collaborators will pull out all of the
stops in an effort to stifle it, but I don't think that even a
declaration of martial law can stifle it now. Too many people already
smell the stink in Washington. Too many people already understand on
whose hands is the blood of 6,000 innocent Americans who died last
month. Too many people understand the true motivation behind the
current war against Israel's enemies in the
Middle East. The genie is out of the bottle now, and not even Mr.
Bush's new anti-terrorism agency-what does he call it? -- the Office
of Homeland Security? -- not even this new Federal agency can put it
back in the bottle.
It's a strange thing: in a novel I wrote more than 12 years ago - the
title is Hunter-I talked about the formation of a new anti-terrorism
agency, separate from the FBI. And I pointed out that the principal
aim of the new agency would not be to protect the public from
terrorism, but to protect the government from an increasingly restless
and disillusioned public: a sort of modern Praetorian Guard. I think
that we'll be seeing more developments in that direction in the next
few months, with the timing depending upon when the next surprise
comes and its magnitude.
Of course, I don't know what will happen next to shatter already
jangled nerves, but it is likely that something will happen. My advice
to responsible patriots now is this: Expect a surprise, and remain
calm when it comes. But don't wait for it to come to raise your voice.
Speak out now. Don't be intimidated by the mindless yahoos waving
their flags
or by the government or by the media. If you point out calmly and in a
reasoned way who is responsible for what happened to America last
month you will have more people agreeing with you than you might
imagine. If you call for your fellow Americans to join you in
regaining control of their government, the response will be greater
than at any time in recent years.
Thanks for being with me again today.
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| Title: Re: Your democrats "Bumper Sticker" war folks |
08 Aug 2007 03:06:40 PM |
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"Topaz" <mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sa8kb354e113lj9gqklbo029uvj43sa66v@4ax.com...
Advice for Patriots
Ignore nazis.
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| User: "Flash Bazbo" |
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07 Aug 2007 06:59:35 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:38:40 -0400, "Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote:
A vehicle with explosives being driven by two Middle Eastern men were
stopped in Charleston:
I thought our troops were in Iraq so we wouldn't have to fight them
here.
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| User: "" |
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07 Aug 2007 09:31:56 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:59:35 -0600, Flash Bazbo
<djflsdkjf@dlsfdslkf.cmk> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:38:40 -0400, "Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote:
A vehicle with explosives being driven by two Middle Eastern men were
stopped in Charleston:
I thought our troops were in Iraq so we wouldn't have to fight them
here.
Their "A" teams are all in Iraq. These appear to be local losers with
their heads up their asses.
--
John Conyers' comments about Bill Clinton pardoning convicted
terrorists:
"Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to what is clearly a
politically motivated and totally senseless resolution. We are a
Nation of laws, and if any matter is abundantly clear by our
Constitution, it is that the President has the sole and unitary power
to grant clemency. Is there any Member that does not understand that?
Every President has the sole and unitary power to grant clemency. Now
the reason that he has the power to grant clemency is that it is that
the President is uniquely positioned to consider the law and the facts
that apply in each request for clemency."
[EXPRESSING THE SENSE OF THE CONGRESS THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT
HAVE GRANTED CLEMENCY TO TERRORISTS] (House of Representatives -
September 09, 1999). Passed 311-41; 72 voted "present", Conyers voted
NAY)
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