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Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
Analysis: That gas-price 'record' really isn't one
By James Rosen -- Bee Washington Bureau - (Published June 20, 2004)
WASHINGTON - President Bush, Sen. John Kerry and other politicians are
pointing fingers and offering solutions for what they repeatedly claim
are "historically high" gasoline prices.
Bush accuses Kerry of backing a 50-cent hike in the federal gasoline
tax, which the presumptive Democratic nominee did support a decade ago
but now repudiates. Bush also blames Democratic lawmakers for blocking
his "comprehensive energy plan" to spur oil production.
Kerry accuses Bush, a former Texas oil man, of paying off oil companies
for their campaign contributions by backing policies to boost the
industry's profits.
Republican lawmakers, meanwhile, pushed an energy package through the
House of Representatives on Tuesday. Senate Democrats who have stopped
similar legislation before - saying it harms the environment and rewards
Big Oil - are widely expected to do so again.
"With gasoline prices at $2 per gallon, it's time to allow some
drilling," said Rep. Joe Barton, a Texas Republican.
While Senate Democrats oppose the Republican energy bill, some of them
are urging Bush to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve set up after the
1973 energy crisis, even though few economists think that step would
significantly reduce gasoline prices.
Other senators push legislation that would penalize "the OPEC
oil-producing cartel," a venerable whipping boy of American politicians.
News reports have fanned the flames for months with endless articles and
broadcasts about reputed record prices. Gasoline prices have eased a bit
in recent weeks, from a national average peak of $2.07, but analysts
don't expect a substantial decrease during the summer months.
There's only one problem: When adjusted for inflation, gasoline prices
are nowhere near historic highs.
The national average of about $2 per gallon is slightly less than the
average price of $2.07, in today's dollars, going back to 1919. Drivers
in 1922 paid the equivalent of almost $2.85 a gallon; in 1981, gasoline
sold for nearly $2.87, the highest inflation-adjusted price ever.
Despite price increases of 40 cents a gallon or more this year,
Americans are still paying half or less at the pump of what drivers in
most other countries pay, with foreign costs ranging up to the $6 per
gallon in Britain, where an imperial gallon is about one-fifth larger
than a gallon in other countries.
Larry Goulder, a Stanford University professor, said the true costs of
the country's driving-dominated culture are hidden, and that Americans
actually pay much more for gasoline than the price they see at the pump.
Among the hidden costs he cited are military expenses of protecting
Persian Gulf and other oil supplies; health care expenses to treat
asthma, cancer and other diseases tied to auto emissions; and expenses
to prevent or repair related environmental damage.
Richard Heinberg, author of a 2003 book on the depletion of world oil
reserves, said politicians seeking public office in the United States
can't disclose the true cost of gasoline because Americans wouldn't
accept it.
"I don't think any candidate can tell the truth," he said. "It's
terrible, but the American people have come to think of cheap energy as
their birthright. And woe to the messenger who tells them otherwise."
Bush and Kerry, who last month had dueling radio speeches on high
gasoline prices, both preach the need for "energy independence."
Exxon Mobil Chairman Lee R. Raymond, noting that foreign imports make up
about half of U.S. oil consumption, last week dismissed that goal as a
"myth" - now, and for decades to come.
Bush and Kerry offer very different approaches to decreasing American
reliance on foreign oil.
Noting that no new refinery has been built in the United States since
1976, Bush wants to ease environmental restrictions and provide tax
incentives to expand domestic refinery production, and he backs opening
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to drilling.
Kerry advocates increased funding of technologies to develop alternative
fuels and make more fuel-efficient vehicles, along with tax credits to
lower their costs.
In the view of most economists, neither would have much effect on
gasoline prices, at least in the foreseeable future. In fact, experts
say the recent spike has a range of causes that are mostly beyond a
president's control - from escalating demand in India and China to
terrorist attacks on oil facilities in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
The current histrionics over gasoline prices are hardly the first time
the issue has intruded on presidential election campaigns.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan ridiculed Jimmy Carter's admonition to Americans
to set their thermostats higher to conserve energy and his warning that
world oil reserves could run out by century's end.
As part of his anti-tax drive during his successful White House run,
Reagan also rejected independent candidate John Anderson's proposed
50-cent gasoline tax hike.
Four years ago, during an earlier spike in gasoline prices, Bush chided
President Clinton for briefly tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve,
accusing him of trying to help then-Vice President Al Gore's election
prospects.
Now, Kerry is urging a temporary halt to new contributions to the
reserve, though he doesn't advocate drawing from it. Saying it was
created to supply oil during national emergencies, Bush is still against
both tapping the reserve or suspending additions to it.
Although his stance on the oil reserve hasn't changed, Bush's current
rhetoric about gasoline prices doesn't entirely square with some of his
administration's policies.
Despite calling for domestic refinery expansion, he has allowed a large
increase in oil refinery mergers, according to Bloomberg News. The
approval of 33 mergers - compared with 21 such deals during all of
Clinton's eight years in office - has contributed to the spike in
gasoline prices, in some analysts' view.
Kerry, too, comes in for criticism, at least in some environmental
circles. During his nearly 20-year Senate career, he has compiled a
voting record that makes him the darling of most environmental
organizations. The League of Conservation Voters, for instance, gives
him a career rating of 92 percent, higher than all but a handful of
lawmakers.
But on the edges of the environmental movement, some activists are
troubled by Kerry blaming Bush for gasoline prices - and the implication
that Americans are entitled to low prices.
Such a stand, they say, contradicts Kerry's longstanding support for
development of alternative fuels, fuel-efficient vehicles and
mass-transit systems.
"Unless you admit that gasoline prices have to go up - and go up a lot -
the free-market system is not going to encourage the development of
renewable energy," said Julian Darley, founder of the Vancouver,
B.C.-based Post Carbon Institute. "Kerry is plainly a man of physical
courage, but he's not showing much political bravery now."
For the most part, though, environmentalists are loath to criticize Kerry.
Denis Hayes was in charge of developing alternative fuels in the Carter
administration. Now head of the Bullitt Foundation, an environmental
philanthropy in Seattle, Hayes said Bush has pursued disastrous
environmental policies.
"I may disagree with various things that Kerry says on the campaign
trail, but the last thing I'm going to do is attack him," Hayes said.
"My job is to do everything I can to make sure he gets elected."
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/9722623p-10645666c.html
[
"In 1980, Ronald Reagan ridiculed Jimmy Carter's admonition to Americans
to set their thermostats higher to conserve energy and his warning that
world oil reserves could run out by century's end."
Reagan was right, Carter was wrong. We've now passed the end of the
20th century and there's still plenty of oil out there. It's just that
some of it is in the hands of Arabs who never found it in the first
place, who hadn't a clue how to drill for it, or how to refine it. The
West did all that while they were still riding camels.
The Carter Administration's alternative fuels program was an utter
disaster. Its PROPONENTS admitted that even if it had succeeded, these
alternative fuels would have cost double what our current fuels cost, to
get the same energy content.
Julian Darley is actually looking forward to the day that the world
becomes a less mobile and less prosperous society:
"This process will require that we rebuild our cities to severely reduce
transport needs and support localization of essential systems. To
effectively address energy scarcity and curtail biosphere destruction,
relocalization must occur globally. Essentially human civilization needs
to prepare itself to do less with much less with the ultimate goal being
sustainability."
http://www.postcarbon.org/index.php?page=relocalization
That is an example of the loony enviros that have endorsed kerry.
Here's the chart of gasoline prices in the last 80 years, after taking
inflation into account:
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/213-0620gas01.gif
--
Steven L.
"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy,
and he achieved his goal."
-- Gennady Gerasimov (top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign
Ministry during the 1980s)
.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
21 Jun 2004 11:12:14 AM |
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If you like bending over and taking it in the butt for the oil companies,
then go ahead.
The cost of computers have dropped dramatically.
I can buy a color TV for less than my parents paid for their first black and
white very small screen.
And there is plenty of oil, it is just being kept and doled out.
It is amazing how much ***** you guys will eat so long as you can bash
liberals and environs.
"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:uuDBc.8868$bs4.2111@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Analysis: That gas-price 'record' really isn't one
By James Rosen -- Bee Washington Bureau - (Published June 20, 2004)
WASHINGTON - President Bush, Sen. John Kerry and other politicians are
pointing fingers and offering solutions for what they repeatedly claim
are "historically high" gasoline prices.
Bush accuses Kerry of backing a 50-cent hike in the federal gasoline
tax, which the presumptive Democratic nominee did support a decade ago
but now repudiates. Bush also blames Democratic lawmakers for blocking
his "comprehensive energy plan" to spur oil production.
Kerry accuses Bush, a former Texas oil man, of paying off oil companies
for their campaign contributions by backing policies to boost the
industry's profits.
Republican lawmakers, meanwhile, pushed an energy package through the
House of Representatives on Tuesday. Senate Democrats who have stopped
similar legislation before - saying it harms the environment and rewards
Big Oil - are widely expected to do so again.
"With gasoline prices at $2 per gallon, it's time to allow some
drilling," said Rep. Joe Barton, a Texas Republican.
While Senate Democrats oppose the Republican energy bill, some of them
are urging Bush to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve set up after the
1973 energy crisis, even though few economists think that step would
significantly reduce gasoline prices.
Other senators push legislation that would penalize "the OPEC
oil-producing cartel," a venerable whipping boy of American politicians.
News reports have fanned the flames for months with endless articles and
broadcasts about reputed record prices. Gasoline prices have eased a bit
in recent weeks, from a national average peak of $2.07, but analysts
don't expect a substantial decrease during the summer months.
There's only one problem: When adjusted for inflation, gasoline prices
are nowhere near historic highs.
The national average of about $2 per gallon is slightly less than the
average price of $2.07, in today's dollars, going back to 1919. Drivers
in 1922 paid the equivalent of almost $2.85 a gallon; in 1981, gasoline
sold for nearly $2.87, the highest inflation-adjusted price ever.
Despite price increases of 40 cents a gallon or more this year,
Americans are still paying half or less at the pump of what drivers in
most other countries pay, with foreign costs ranging up to the $6 per
gallon in Britain, where an imperial gallon is about one-fifth larger
than a gallon in other countries.
Larry Goulder, a Stanford University professor, said the true costs of
the country's driving-dominated culture are hidden, and that Americans
actually pay much more for gasoline than the price they see at the pump.
Among the hidden costs he cited are military expenses of protecting
Persian Gulf and other oil supplies; health care expenses to treat
asthma, cancer and other diseases tied to auto emissions; and expenses
to prevent or repair related environmental damage.
Richard Heinberg, author of a 2003 book on the depletion of world oil
reserves, said politicians seeking public office in the United States
can't disclose the true cost of gasoline because Americans wouldn't
accept it.
"I don't think any candidate can tell the truth," he said. "It's
terrible, but the American people have come to think of cheap energy as
their birthright. And woe to the messenger who tells them otherwise."
Bush and Kerry, who last month had dueling radio speeches on high
gasoline prices, both preach the need for "energy independence."
Exxon Mobil Chairman Lee R. Raymond, noting that foreign imports make up
about half of U.S. oil consumption, last week dismissed that goal as a
"myth" - now, and for decades to come.
Bush and Kerry offer very different approaches to decreasing American
reliance on foreign oil.
Noting that no new refinery has been built in the United States since
1976, Bush wants to ease environmental restrictions and provide tax
incentives to expand domestic refinery production, and he backs opening
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to drilling.
Kerry advocates increased funding of technologies to develop alternative
fuels and make more fuel-efficient vehicles, along with tax credits to
lower their costs.
In the view of most economists, neither would have much effect on
gasoline prices, at least in the foreseeable future. In fact, experts
say the recent spike has a range of causes that are mostly beyond a
president's control - from escalating demand in India and China to
terrorist attacks on oil facilities in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
The current histrionics over gasoline prices are hardly the first time
the issue has intruded on presidential election campaigns.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan ridiculed Jimmy Carter's admonition to Americans
to set their thermostats higher to conserve energy and his warning that
world oil reserves could run out by century's end.
As part of his anti-tax drive during his successful White House run,
Reagan also rejected independent candidate John Anderson's proposed
50-cent gasoline tax hike.
Four years ago, during an earlier spike in gasoline prices, Bush chided
President Clinton for briefly tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve,
accusing him of trying to help then-Vice President Al Gore's election
prospects.
Now, Kerry is urging a temporary halt to new contributions to the
reserve, though he doesn't advocate drawing from it. Saying it was
created to supply oil during national emergencies, Bush is still against
both tapping the reserve or suspending additions to it.
Although his stance on the oil reserve hasn't changed, Bush's current
rhetoric about gasoline prices doesn't entirely square with some of his
administration's policies.
Despite calling for domestic refinery expansion, he has allowed a large
increase in oil refinery mergers, according to Bloomberg News. The
approval of 33 mergers - compared with 21 such deals during all of
Clinton's eight years in office - has contributed to the spike in
gasoline prices, in some analysts' view.
Kerry, too, comes in for criticism, at least in some environmental
circles. During his nearly 20-year Senate career, he has compiled a
voting record that makes him the darling of most environmental
organizations. The League of Conservation Voters, for instance, gives
him a career rating of 92 percent, higher than all but a handful of
lawmakers.
But on the edges of the environmental movement, some activists are
troubled by Kerry blaming Bush for gasoline prices - and the implication
that Americans are entitled to low prices.
Such a stand, they say, contradicts Kerry's longstanding support for
development of alternative fuels, fuel-efficient vehicles and
mass-transit systems.
"Unless you admit that gasoline prices have to go up - and go up a lot -
the free-market system is not going to encourage the development of
renewable energy," said Julian Darley, founder of the Vancouver,
B.C.-based Post Carbon Institute. "Kerry is plainly a man of physical
courage, but he's not showing much political bravery now."
For the most part, though, environmentalists are loath to criticize Kerry.
Denis Hayes was in charge of developing alternative fuels in the Carter
administration. Now head of the Bullitt Foundation, an environmental
philanthropy in Seattle, Hayes said Bush has pursued disastrous
environmental policies.
"I may disagree with various things that Kerry says on the campaign
trail, but the last thing I'm going to do is attack him," Hayes said.
"My job is to do everything I can to make sure he gets elected."
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/9722623p-10645666c.html
[
"In 1980, Ronald Reagan ridiculed Jimmy Carter's admonition to Americans
to set their thermostats higher to conserve energy and his warning that
world oil reserves could run out by century's end."
Reagan was right, Carter was wrong. We've now passed the end of the
20th century and there's still plenty of oil out there. It's just that
some of it is in the hands of Arabs who never found it in the first
place, who hadn't a clue how to drill for it, or how to refine it. The
West did all that while they were still riding camels.
The Carter Administration's alternative fuels program was an utter
disaster. Its PROPONENTS admitted that even if it had succeeded, these
alternative fuels would have cost double what our current fuels cost, to
get the same energy content.
Julian Darley is actually looking forward to the day that the world
becomes a less mobile and less prosperous society:
"This process will require that we rebuild our cities to severely reduce
transport needs and support localization of essential systems. To
effectively address energy scarcity and curtail biosphere destruction,
relocalization must occur globally. Essentially human civilization needs
to prepare itself to do less with much less with the ultimate goal being
sustainability."
http://www.postcarbon.org/index.php?page=relocalization
That is an example of the loony enviros that have endorsed kerry.
Here's the chart of gasoline prices in the last 80 years, after taking
inflation into account:
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/213-0620gas01.gif
--
Steven L.
"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy,
and he achieved his goal."
-- Gennady Gerasimov (top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign
Ministry during the 1980s)
.
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| User: "Oliver de Place Kerry" |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
21 Jun 2004 11:18:30 AM |
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Even more amazing is how totally inept those liberals and environs are at
refuting any of the things that are said about them!
"Robert" <wayne_s_noches@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yNDBc.19515$MW4.9658@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
It is amazing how much ***** you guys will eat so long as you can bash
liberals and environs.
"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:uuDBc.8868$bs4.2111@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Analysis: That gas-price 'record' really isn't one
By James Rosen -- Bee Washington Bureau - (Published June 20, 2004)
WASHINGTON - President Bush, Sen. John Kerry and other politicians are
pointing fingers and offering solutions for what they repeatedly claim
are "historically high" gasoline prices.
Bush accuses Kerry of backing a 50-cent hike in the federal gasoline
tax, which the presumptive Democratic nominee did support a decade ago
but now repudiates. Bush also blames Democratic lawmakers for blocking
his "comprehensive energy plan" to spur oil production.
Kerry accuses Bush, a former Texas oil man, of paying off oil companies
for their campaign contributions by backing policies to boost the
industry's profits.
Republican lawmakers, meanwhile, pushed an energy package through the
House of Representatives on Tuesday. Senate Democrats who have stopped
similar legislation before - saying it harms the environment and rewards
Big Oil - are widely expected to do so again.
"With gasoline prices at $2 per gallon, it's time to allow some
drilling," said Rep. Joe Barton, a Texas Republican.
While Senate Democrats oppose the Republican energy bill, some of them
are urging Bush to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve set up after the
1973 energy crisis, even though few economists think that step would
significantly reduce gasoline prices.
Other senators push legislation that would penalize "the OPEC
oil-producing cartel," a venerable whipping boy of American politicians.
News reports have fanned the flames for months with endless articles and
broadcasts about reputed record prices. Gasoline prices have eased a bit
in recent weeks, from a national average peak of $2.07, but analysts
don't expect a substantial decrease during the summer months.
There's only one problem: When adjusted for inflation, gasoline prices
are nowhere near historic highs.
The national average of about $2 per gallon is slightly less than the
average price of $2.07, in today's dollars, going back to 1919. Drivers
in 1922 paid the equivalent of almost $2.85 a gallon; in 1981, gasoline
sold for nearly $2.87, the highest inflation-adjusted price ever.
Despite price increases of 40 cents a gallon or more this year,
Americans are still paying half or less at the pump of what drivers in
most other countries pay, with foreign costs ranging up to the $6 per
gallon in Britain, where an imperial gallon is about one-fifth larger
than a gallon in other countries.
Larry Goulder, a Stanford University professor, said the true costs of
the country's driving-dominated culture are hidden, and that Americans
actually pay much more for gasoline than the price they see at the pump.
Among the hidden costs he cited are military expenses of protecting
Persian Gulf and other oil supplies; health care expenses to treat
asthma, cancer and other diseases tied to auto emissions; and expenses
to prevent or repair related environmental damage.
Richard Heinberg, author of a 2003 book on the depletion of world oil
reserves, said politicians seeking public office in the United States
can't disclose the true cost of gasoline because Americans wouldn't
accept it.
"I don't think any candidate can tell the truth," he said. "It's
terrible, but the American people have come to think of cheap energy as
their birthright. And woe to the messenger who tells them otherwise."
Bush and Kerry, who last month had dueling radio speeches on high
gasoline prices, both preach the need for "energy independence."
Exxon Mobil Chairman Lee R. Raymond, noting that foreign imports make up
about half of U.S. oil consumption, last week dismissed that goal as a
"myth" - now, and for decades to come.
Bush and Kerry offer very different approaches to decreasing American
reliance on foreign oil.
Noting that no new refinery has been built in the United States since
1976, Bush wants to ease environmental restrictions and provide tax
incentives to expand domestic refinery production, and he backs opening
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to drilling.
Kerry advocates increased funding of technologies to develop alternative
fuels and make more fuel-efficient vehicles, along with tax credits to
lower their costs.
In the view of most economists, neither would have much effect on
gasoline prices, at least in the foreseeable future. In fact, experts
say the recent spike has a range of causes that are mostly beyond a
president's control - from escalating demand in India and China to
terrorist attacks on oil facilities in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
The current histrionics over gasoline prices are hardly the first time
the issue has intruded on presidential election campaigns.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan ridiculed Jimmy Carter's admonition to Americans
to set their thermostats higher to conserve energy and his warning that
world oil reserves could run out by century's end.
As part of his anti-tax drive during his successful White House run,
Reagan also rejected independent candidate John Anderson's proposed
50-cent gasoline tax hike.
Four years ago, during an earlier spike in gasoline prices, Bush chided
President Clinton for briefly tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve,
accusing him of trying to help then-Vice President Al Gore's election
prospects.
Now, Kerry is urging a temporary halt to new contributions to the
reserve, though he doesn't advocate drawing from it. Saying it was
created to supply oil during national emergencies, Bush is still against
both tapping the reserve or suspending additions to it.
Although his stance on the oil reserve hasn't changed, Bush's current
rhetoric about gasoline prices doesn't entirely square with some of his
administration's policies.
Despite calling for domestic refinery expansion, he has allowed a large
increase in oil refinery mergers, according to Bloomberg News. The
approval of 33 mergers - compared with 21 such deals during all of
Clinton's eight years in office - has contributed to the spike in
gasoline prices, in some analysts' view.
Kerry, too, comes in for criticism, at least in some environmental
circles. During his nearly 20-year Senate career, he has compiled a
voting record that makes him the darling of most environmental
organizations. The League of Conservation Voters, for instance, gives
him a career rating of 92 percent, higher than all but a handful of
lawmakers.
But on the edges of the environmental movement, some activists are
troubled by Kerry blaming Bush for gasoline prices - and the implication
that Americans are entitled to low prices.
Such a stand, they say, contradicts Kerry's longstanding support for
development of alternative fuels, fuel-efficient vehicles and
mass-transit systems.
"Unless you admit that gasoline prices have to go up - and go up a lot -
the free-market system is not going to encourage the development of
renewable energy," said Julian Darley, founder of the Vancouver,
B.C.-based Post Carbon Institute. "Kerry is plainly a man of physical
courage, but he's not showing much political bravery now."
For the most part, though, environmentalists are loath to criticize
Kerry.
Denis Hayes was in charge of developing alternative fuels in the Carter
administration. Now head of the Bullitt Foundation, an environmental
philanthropy in Seattle, Hayes said Bush has pursued disastrous
environmental policies.
"I may disagree with various things that Kerry says on the campaign
trail, but the last thing I'm going to do is attack him," Hayes said.
"My job is to do everything I can to make sure he gets elected."
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/9722623p-10645666c.html
[
"In 1980, Ronald Reagan ridiculed Jimmy Carter's admonition to Americans
to set their thermostats higher to conserve energy and his warning that
world oil reserves could run out by century's end."
Reagan was right, Carter was wrong. We've now passed the end of the
20th century and there's still plenty of oil out there. It's just that
some of it is in the hands of Arabs who never found it in the first
place, who hadn't a clue how to drill for it, or how to refine it. The
West did all that while they were still riding camels.
The Carter Administration's alternative fuels program was an utter
disaster. Its PROPONENTS admitted that even if it had succeeded, these
alternative fuels would have cost double what our current fuels cost, to
get the same energy content.
Julian Darley is actually looking forward to the day that the world
becomes a less mobile and less prosperous society:
"This process will require that we rebuild our cities to severely reduce
transport needs and support localization of essential systems. To
effectively address energy scarcity and curtail biosphere destruction,
relocalization must occur globally. Essentially human civilization needs
to prepare itself to do less with much less with the ultimate goal being
sustainability."
http://www.postcarbon.org/index.php?page=relocalization
That is an example of the loony enviros that have endorsed kerry.
Here's the chart of gasoline prices in the last 80 years, after taking
inflation into account:
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/213-0620gas01.gif
--
Steven L.
"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy,
and he achieved his goal."
-- Gennady Gerasimov (top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign
Ministry during the 1980s)
.
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| User: "Mr. N" |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
21 Jun 2004 02:47:20 PM |
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"Oliver de Place Kerry" <Kerry#1LOSER@dnc.org> wrote in message
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The lies and deception of the radical right-wing continue.
Starving for attention and the need to thwart twit filters, this wack-job
has to date created 15 ID's - all the same person, all posting within the
same day, some within minutes of each other, some responding to the others.
"Oliver de Place Kerry"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
"Senator AWOL Johnny"
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X-Complaints-To:
"13 Percent Johnny"
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X-Complaints-To:
"300,000 new jobs a month"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
"over 300,000 new jobs a month"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
John 'Lurch' Kerry
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
John 'Middle Finger' Kerry
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
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X-Complaints-To:
GoreRants4Kerry
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X-Complaints-To:
"Kerry the Boob"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.121.233
X-Complaints-To:
"Ihatekerie Sosume"
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"John Fraude Kerry"
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Right-wingers are cowards, charlatans, have no morals, and are a plague on
this great nation.
--
-Mr. N
-------------------------------------------
"I believe that the president's leadership in the actions taken in Iraq
demonstrate an incompetence in terms of knowledge,
judgment and experience in making the decisions that would have been
necessary to truly accomplish the mission without the
deaths to our troops and the cost to our taxpayers."
"The emperor has no clothes. When are people going to face the reality?
Pull this curtain back."
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
21 Jun 2004 04:53:46 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:18:30 GMT, "Oliver de Place Kerry"
<Kerry#1LOSER@dnc.org> wrote:
Even more amazing is how totally inept those liberals and environs are at
refuting any of the things that are said about them!
Like - the energy crisis in CA was caused because environmentalists
didn't build power plants in the preceding years?
That was said by ***** Cheney.
You heard the tapes of the Enron traders, the guys who worked for
BUsh's LARGEST contributor, as they said how great it would be if Bush
got elected.
Remember that?
Is in STILL your view that high energy prices in CA were caused by a
failure to have built power plants?
Probably. You're that dense.
I should have said
IS it true that high energy prices in CA were caused by a failure to
have built power plants?
It was EASY to refute what you said obout environmentalists.
In the hearings back then, when the joke Bush guy testified, saying it
was just the market Diane Feinstein asked him
how can an eight percent increase in demand cause an 800 percent
increase in prices?
He hemmed and hawed.
IT was EASY for her to rebut him.
You are the easiest person to rebut in the whole world.
Because you don't have truth on your side. That's why it's so easy.
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| User: "John Fraude Kerry" |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
21 Jun 2004 05:31:36 PM |
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"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:6uled0ttl6fnrgs5bsa9c7kuiir2d0k6gk@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:18:30 GMT, "Oliver de Place Kerry"
<Kerry#1LOSER@dnc.org> wrote:
Even more amazing is how totally inept those liberals and environs are at
refuting any of the things that are said about them!
Like - the energy crisis in CA was caused because environmentalists
didn't build power plants in the preceding years?
Yep, that's one example. The liberals and environs are unable to refute
that charge said about them. Excellent example, George.
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think |
21 Jun 2004 10:26:54 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:31:36 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
news:6uled0ttl6fnrgs5bsa9c7kuiir2d0k6gk@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:18:30 GMT, "Oliver de Place Kerry"
<Kerry#1LOSER@dnc.org> wrote:
Even more amazing is how totally inept those liberals and environs are at
refuting any of the things that are said about them!
Like - the energy crisis in CA was caused because environmentalists
didn't build power plants in the preceding years?
Yep, that's one example. The liberals and environs are unable to refute
that charge said about them. Excellent example, George.
So you are just going to deny what you heard of the enron tape, the
order to shut down the plant to jack prices up?
You are just going to ignore the obsious insantiy of you claim to
explain an 800 percent inclease in prices, with only an eight percent
inclease in demand?
Supply and demant was your charge.
IT doesn't work this way - 8 percent increase in demand leads to 800
percent increase in price.
Yet you think it does.
That makes you seriously stupid.
How about the one you tell about how Liberals, and dems spend more?
You say that all the time. Easy to refute. Just scroll down and look
at fed spending hikes, Repub vs Dem presidents.
Higeher with Repubs. Especially for nondefense spending.
Easy as pie. Go look. Scroll down
http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm
or this one.
You say Repubs are prolife. That abortion, even early abortion is
wrong because of the tiny human beings.
Bush favors in vitro fertilization, which involves creating and then
destroying countless little human beings called embryos.
You said it - embryos are human beings.
Bush is in favor of klling them off by the zillions. Humans down the
drain.
That's sort of refuting you.
Or you say liberals are socialists.
Bush proposed and signed into law a new drug bill which in present
value terms requires us to spend 13 trillion dollars of govt tax
money.
Isn't that socialism?
Bush was for it.
You say we flip flop.
Bush opposed your right to sue HMOs in texas. Until it was about to
pass, and hurt him politically. Then he got on board for it and
campaigned about signing the bill he opposed.
Then the Texas law was challenged in court, made it to the Supreme
Court, and now Bush has his solicitor general argue AGAINST the very
bill he SIGNED INTO LAW after opposing it.
Isn't that the king of all flip flops ever?
IT's so easy to refute you guys.
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| User: "Carbon Unit 6" |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think,, think again fruitcake. |
21 Jun 2004 02:45:12 PM |
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Sewersnatch wrote: Even more amazing is how totally inept those liberals and
environs are at
refuting any of the things that are said about them!
There is no need to "refute" amything put out by you mental midgets in the
Reichwing.
We don't answer to filth and humanshit. No one died and left you filthy
rable incharge.
Who do you reichwing pigs think you are? No one answers to you hogs, except
your
mindless followers.
Now go back to your pigsty where your happy.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gasoline Prices Are Lower Than You Think,, think again fruitcake. |
21 Jun 2004 03:32:44 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:45:12 -0700, "Carbon Unit 6" <chip@board.org>
wrote:
Sewersnatch wrote: Even more amazing is how totally inept those liberals and
environs are at
refuting any of the things that are said about them!
There is no need to "refute" amything put out by you mental midgets in the
Reichwing.
We don't answer to filth and humanshit. No one died and left you filthy
rable incharge.
Who do you reichwing pigs think you are? No one answers to you hogs, except
your
mindless followers.
Now go back to your pigsty where your happy.
Dude, while I agree with much of what you say, if you are going to go
off on a rant about right wingers, you might want to remember the
difference between the personal possessive pronoun for "you", and the
contraction for "you are".
Hal
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