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The word "classes" in line 4 of quatrain I-35 has given some
difficulty to various commentators not familiar with Nostradamus'
linguistic genius. First, the quatrain:
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--------------- C E N T V R I E__P R E M I E R E. ------------
----------------------- (édition de 1555) --------------------
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---- 35 - Le lyon ieune le vieux surmontera, -----------------
--------- En champ bellique par singulier duelle, ------------
--------- Dans caige d'or les yeux luy creuera: --------------
--------- Deux classes vne,puis mourir,mort cruelle. ---------
*
Forgetting for the moment that these four lines are four cryptic
anagrams describing clearly what is alluded to very obscurely in
the published poetry, one is left with the puzzle of this
"classes".
*
In the published text, it reads something like: 'two classes
one'. The question then becomes: what are these two "classes"
which become one?
*
True, the most common view about this French "classes" is that it
refers to the Latin "classis" which means... fleet! Obviously,
there are no fleets involved in this tragic event where the King
is accidentally killed in a jousting match. So what else?
*
The best ever French commentator of Nostradamus, Anatole Le
Pelletier, gave an explanation for this odd "classes". He turns
to the Greek language for it: klasis = a break, a wound.
*
Montgomery's lance was broken when it entered the King's helmet.
So, there is a break involved. But the King's face was broken in
two places: the lance entered through an eye, and exited via the
skull, above the ear. Two breaks, or two wounds, out of one.
*
Not very obvious, I agree. But the original poem was not intended
to be obvious. In fact, if one analyzes it closely, one finds
that Nostradamus writes that the King's eyes shall be pierced.
Only one eye was destroyed. Why then write that both eyes shall
be pierced?
*
ANSWER: It's the anagram, stupid!
*
These four lines produce four cryptic anagrams which tell the
story very clearly:
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--------- Henry vient en lice aux Tournelles -----------------
--------- et il mande Gabriel pour une picque et De ----------
--------- Lorges luy adresse sa rude lance qui ---------------
--------- cause la mort cruelle de S.M. dix iours après. -----
*
A perfect account of the events of June 30 to July 10, 1559:
Henry enters a tournament and mandates Gabriel for a joust and De
Lorges aims his rude lance at him which causes the cruel death of
H.M. (His Majesty - as S.M. is H.M.) ten days after.
*
The name of his opponent? Gabriel de Lorges, count of Montgomery.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latrémouille
June 30, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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On Jul 1, 10:33 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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The word "classes" in line 4 of quatrain I-35 has given some
difficulty to various commentators not familiar with Nostradamus'
linguistic genius. First, the quatrain:
*
--------------- C E N T V R I E__P R E M I E R E. ------------
----------------------- (=E9dition de 1555) --------------------
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---- 35 - Le lyon ieune le vieux surmontera, -----------------
--------- En champ bellique par singulier duelle, ------------
--------- Dans caige d'or les yeux luy creuera: --------------
--------- Deux classes vne,puis mourir,mort cruelle. ---------
*
Forgetting for the moment that these four lines are four cryptic
anagrams describing clearly what is alluded to very obscurely in
the published poetry, one is left with the puzzle of this
"classes".
*
In the published text, it reads something like: 'two classes
one'. The question then becomes: what are these two "classes"
which become one?
*
True, the most common view about this French "classes" is that it
refers to the Latin "classis" which means... fleet! Obviously,
there are no fleets involved in this tragic event where the King
is accidentally killed in a jousting match. So what else?
*
The best ever French commentator of Nostradamus, Anatole Le
Pelletier, gave an explanation for this odd "classes". He turns
to the Greek language for it: klasis =3D a break, a wound.
*
Montgomery's lance was broken when it entered the King's helmet.
So, there is a break involved. But the King's face was broken in
two places: the lance entered through an eye, and exited via the
skull, above the ear. Two breaks, or two wounds, out of one.
*
Not very obvious, I agree. But the original poem was not intended
to be obvious. In fact, if one analyzes it closely, one finds
that Nostradamus writes that the King's eyes shall be pierced.
Only one eye was destroyed. Why then write that both eyes shall
be pierced?
*
ANSWER: It's the anagram, stupid!
*
These four lines produce four cryptic anagrams which tell the
story very clearly:
*
--------- Henry vient en lice aux Tournelles -----------------
--------- et il mande Gabriel pour une picque et De ----------
--------- Lorges luy adresse sa rude lance qui ---------------
--------- cause la mort cruelle de S.M. dix iours apr=E8s. -----
*
A perfect account of the events of June 30 to July 10, 1559:
Henry enters a tournament and mandates Gabriel for a joust and De
Lorges aims his rude lance at him which causes the cruel death of
H.M. (His Majesty - as S.M. is H.M.) ten days after.
*
The name of his opponent? Gabriel de Lorges, count of Montgomery.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille
June 30, 2007http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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Just to add some credibility to the show we must not overlook our
basic benchmark Monsieur Leoni:
CIQ 35. Few commentators have dared to question the application of
this quatrain to the tragic and dramatic death of Nostradamus'
sovereign in a joust with the Count of Montgomery, Captain of the
Scottish Guard, on July 10, 1559. The standard interpretation has
Montgomery as the young lion and Henry II as the old lion, because
both used lions as their emblems. But Buget (1863) points out that
Henry II (age forty) was probably only six years older than his
adversary (whose exact age is uncertain), that neither one actually
used a lion as an emblem, and that the helmet of the King was neither
of gold nor gilded. One might further add that with classe meaning
"fleet" everywhere else in its many occurrences in the Centuries, it
is rather suspicious to use a Greek derivation here. And certainly
there was no union of fleets in 1559. And, in fact, a tournament is
not the field of battle." Buget's concluding comment (1863, p. 455) on
this quatrain, which may be said to have made Nostradamus famous, is
"There is not, then, as far as I can see, a single word in this
quatrain which is applicable to the unhappy end of this prince."
The final judgment must lie somewhere between these two extremes.
Indeed, poetic license would make only lines 1 and 2 substantially
acceptable. Line 3 is more dubious. The wound not only did not put out
the royal eye, but hardly touched the eye itself. A splinter lodged
above his right eye and broke the veins of the pia mater. Line 4 is a
complete failure. There was only one wound (unless an abscess be
counted) even for the fancy Greek derivation, and certainly no union
of fleets. The most important of all reasons for rejecting this
interpretation is, as we shall see, that Nostradamus had big things in
store for Henry II as the new Charlemagne.
But that is how 2 scholars of the art, see the outline.
LB
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01 Jul 2007 04:01:11 AM |
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On Jul 1, 10:33 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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The word "classes" in line 4 of quatrain I-35 has given some
difficulty to various commentators not familiar with Nostradamus'
linguistic genius. First, the quatrain:
*
--------------- C E N T V R I E__P R E M I E R E. ------------
----------------------- (=E9dition de 1555) --------------------
*
---- 35 - Le lyon ieune le vieux surmontera, -----------------
--------- En champ bellique par singulier duelle, ------------
--------- Dans caige d'or les yeux luy creuera: --------------
--------- Deux classes vne,puis mourir,mort cruelle. ---------
*
Forgetting for the moment that these four lines are four cryptic
anagrams describing clearly what is alluded to very obscurely in
the published poetry, one is left with the puzzle of this
"classes".
*
In the published text, it reads something like: 'two classes
one'. The question then becomes: what are these two "classes"
which become one?
*
True, the most common view about this French "classes" is that it
refers to the Latin "classis" which means... fleet! Obviously,
there are no fleets involved in this tragic event where the King
is accidentally killed in a jousting match. So what else?
*
The best ever French commentator of Nostradamus, Anatole Le
Pelletier, gave an explanation for this odd "classes". He turns
to the Greek language for it: klasis =3D a break, a wound.
*
Montgomery's lance was broken when it entered the King's helmet.
So, there is a break involved. But the King's face was broken in
two places: the lance entered through an eye, and exited via the
skull, above the ear. Two breaks, or two wounds, out of one.
*
Not very obvious, I agree. But the original poem was not intended
to be obvious. In fact, if one analyzes it closely, one finds
that Nostradamus writes that the King's eyes shall be pierced.
Only one eye was destroyed. Why then write that both eyes shall
be pierced?
*
ANSWER: It's the anagram, stupid!
*
These four lines produce four cryptic anagrams which tell the
story very clearly:
*
--------- Henry vient en lice aux Tournelles -----------------
--------- et il mande Gabriel pour une picque et De ----------
--------- Lorges luy adresse sa rude lance qui ---------------
--------- cause la mort cruelle de S.M. dix iours apr=E8s. -----
*
A perfect account of the events of June 30 to July 10, 1559:
Henry enters a tournament and mandates Gabriel for a joust and De
Lorges aims his rude lance at him which causes the cruel death of
H.M. (His Majesty - as S.M. is H.M.) ten days after.
*
The name of his opponent? Gabriel de Lorges, count of Montgomery.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille
June 30, 2007http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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So again creating his own reality we corrupt the text and claim a hit,
but La vert also uses this Q in his precis on what and How Nostradamus
worked:
The King was not satisfied with the first passage of arms. which he
had with Montgomery, the Captain of the Scottish Guard, and insisted
on running the course again. Montgomery's lance caught on the King's
helmet. slivered, and a sliver penetrated the King's eye and brain.
Henry died about ten days later. While many members of the Court must
have remembered that Nostradamus had prophecied wonders for Henry, the
situation was not entirely lost, for in the 940 or 942 quatrains which
were available, a suitable prediction was found, the quatrain which is
often called the 'Quatrain of the Gilded Cage:
135 Le lyon ieune le vieux surmontera, En champ bellique par singulier
duelle,
Dans caige d'or les yeux luy creuera: Deux classes vne, puis mourir,
mort cruelle.
135 The young lion shall overcome the old On the field of battle in
single combat;
In a cage of gold he shall [imprison him and] pierce his eyes Two
knells, [then] one then [he shall] die a cruel death.
This quatrain does not fit the circumstances very well, but the cage
of gold has been taken to be the King's gilded jousting helmet. Even
today 135 is cited by enthusiasts as one of Nostradamus's most
successful prophecies, although the meaning of the last line is not
wholly clear.
We do not know much about Nostradamus's later life, and it is possible
that his reputation suffered in the popular mind after the death of
Henry. But he continued to practice, and engaged in money-lending. He
remained in disfavor in Salon, since both town Protestants and peasant
Catholics regarded him with suspicion. The Queen seems to have
remained in occasional contact with Nostradamus, and there has been
speculation that Nostradamus acted as a secret agent for the Court,
but there is no evidence for this and it is unlikely. In 1565 the
French Court, which was making a tour of the South during one of the
truces in the religious wars, stopped at Salon. The young King,
Charles IX, outraged protocol by demanding to see Nostradamus, who had
been excluded from the welcoming committee, and made much of him.
Catherine, who accompanied the King, asked Nostradamus for more
prophecies, and the King created him official 'medecin et conseiller
ordinaire de roi,' with a pension. Nostradamus did not live long to
enjoy the royal favor. He had long been in poor health, and he died of
dropsy on July 1, 1566. According to legend he was buried standing
upright in the church at Salon, so that the hostile citizens could not
defile his grave with their feet, but this has been disproved. He died
a fairly wealthy man, leaving a detailed will distributing about 2,000
ecus of gold as well as other properties. It is difficult to convert
this into today's values, since prices have not evolved uniformly, but
what with beef at 8 deniers a pound and a carpenter's wages at 2 ecus
a week, the bequest would probably amount to something like two or
three hundred thousand dollars. Today, more than four centuries after
his death, very little record survives about Nostradamus the man,
apart from what can be derived from his writings. He had an affinity
for money. He was highly intelligent, well-trained in his profession,
cultured, humane and somewhat idealistic (as will be shown later),
somewhat devious, and wryly cynical about his calling as a prophet.
All in all, his various expedients to make money suggest the modern
medical man who writes sensational sex books or offers one-shot
remedies for all sorts of psychic malaises. Busquet, who has written
the best biographical statement about Nostradamus, but is basically
hostile to his subject, claims that Nostradamus was an alcoholic and
died of cirrhosis of the liver. Busquet further speculates that the
poems were composed in an alcoholic stupor. There is some evidence
that Nostradamus was something of a bon vivant; it is possible that he
became alcoholic in his later years; but he certainly did not write
his poetry in a stupor. As will be shown later, too much intellect is
apparent, and too much control. According to Jean de Chavigny, who
announced himself as Nostradamus's pupil and disciple after
Nostradamus's death, and worked over his papers, Nostradamus was of
medium height, stocky in built, gray-eyed, ruddy in complexion,
straight-nosed, and wore a long, forked beard. Surviving portraits
agree with this description. In personality, according to Chavigny,
Nostradamus was taciturn, unless his interest was aroused, at which
time he could become eloquent. He was irascible and impatient of
contradiction, yet patient in his work, kindly, and charitable. He
carefully avoided religious controversy, and he probably would have
been annoyed to learn (which he did not prophecy) that his writings
would be condemned by the Church in the late 18th century.
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