She does so by not being able to show any
stats to contradict the ones that I have put
forth.
Thank you Amy for showing what a
pinhead you really are.
Tony
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05 Dec 2004 09:55:21 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
She does so by not being able to show any
stats to contradict the ones that I have put
forth.
Thank you Amy for showing what a
pinhead you really are.
Tony
I do love these Tony speaks, broadcast to the nation, threads you can't
help but create. Do you realise how stoooooooopid you look?
Of course, everytime I've responded you've snipped, what's new?
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No link Tony? Embarassed at your sources?
Let me help you out.
http://www.white-history.com/hwr67.htm
Check out the pantheon of "white" "titans" on the front page.
http://www.white-history.com
Yep, that's Tony's secret hero, Adolph.
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Look sweetie, go to the primary sources and quote them, if you can.
Or are we supposed to take the interpretation/spin/lies of a white
supremacist web site at face value, eh?
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-A
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| User: "Krib" |
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05 Dec 2004 11:07:04 AM |
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"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:covauj$2jd$14@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
I do love these Tony speaks, broadcast to the nation, threads you can't
help but create.
They come straight from the "whiterace" house, from the office
of fat tone himself.
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krib
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05 Dec 2004 09:57:51 AM |
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Amy still can't refute the facts.
What a loser, all she can do is type jibberish and hope that small minds will
agree with her.
Every population and demographic trends proive her wrong, but being the
stubborn, hard headed pig that she is, she can't accept it.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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05 Dec 2004 10:04:03 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Amy still can't refute the facts.
What a loser, all she can do is type jibberish and hope that small minds will
agree with her.
Every population and demographic trends proive her wrong, but being the
stubborn, hard headed pig that she is, she can't accept it.
Tony
Of course, everytime I've responded you've snipped, what's new?
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No link Tony? Embarassed at your sources?
Let me help you out.
http://www.white-history.com/hwr67.htm
Check out the pantheon of "white" "titans" on the front page.
http://www.white-history.com
Yep, that's Tony's secret hero, Adolph.
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Look sweetie, go to the primary sources and quote them, if you can.
Or are we supposed to take the interpretation/spin/lies of a white
supremacist web site at face value, eh?
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-A
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05 Dec 2004 10:06:34 AM |
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Still nothing to support you view, eh Amy?
Imagine, arguing a point because she feels that way, oh wait, she's a woman,
what more should we expect?
Tony
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05 Dec 2004 10:35:01 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Still nothing to support you view, eh Amy?
Imagine, arguing a point because she feels that way, oh wait, she's a woman,
what more should we expect?
Oops, LOL!!!
Tony
At that reputable site of yours you can also read interesting material
such as...
http://www.white-history.com/The%20Holocaust%20-%20An%20Overview.htm
The Holocaust Analyzed: The Holocaust has been used since the end of the
Second World War to suppress debate on race - here the veracity of the
key tenets of the Holocaust are discussed
This chapter for example:
http://www.white-history.com/Auschwitz.htm
The Auschwitz camp, today found in Poland, is central to the Holocaust
and the allegations surrounding the gassing of millions of Jews by Nazis
during the Second World War. A review of this camp, and the allegations
which surround it, is therefore particularly worthwhile.
The most common allegation made about Auschwitz was that Jews arrived by
train and were taken immediately to gas chambers. Thereafter the bodies
were burned in open pits or crematoria on site.
The Auschwitz camp - and specifically the Birkenau section where the gas
chambers are alleged to have been situated - were supposedly destroyed
by the Nazis towards the end of 1944, when the Soviet Army was advancing
westward. Herein lies the first question: if the gas chambers were
destroyed by the Nazis, then why are supposed gas chambers still on
display today at Auschwitz, and shown to visitors?
AUSCHWITZ MUSEUM OFFICIALLY ADMITS GAS CHAMBER RECONSTRUCTION
The official website of the Auschwitz Museum has bowed down before
Holocaust Revisionists and has now finally admitted officially that the
gas chamber and crematorium 1, which is shown to visitors as evidence of
the ‘mass extermination of the Jews,' was built after the war.
This dramatic admission can be found on the Auschwitz museum’s webpage at
http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/zwiedzanie/krematorium_1.html
(cached copy of this page here)
where the following passage has now been inserted:
“After the war, the Museum carried out a partial reconstruction. The
chimney and two incinerators were rebuilt using original components, as
were and several of the openings in the gas chamber roof."
The fact that the Auschwitz "gas chamber" on show today is a
reconstruction has been confirmed by the mainstream French magazine,
L'Express, when its writer Eric Conan visited Auschwitz in January 1995.
According to L'Express, the gas chamber shown to tourists was built in
1948, three years after the end of the war, by the Polish communists.
The Auschwitz staff now admits this. As Conan wrote in L'Express "Tout y
est faux"--Everything in it is fake." (Eric Conan: AUSCHWITZ: La mémoire
du mal, L'Express, Paris, Paris, 19 janvier 1995).
Above: A frontal view of Crematorium 1, at Auschwitz 1 camp (there are
actually two Auschwitz camps - Auschwitz 1 and Auschwitz-Birkenau). This
photograph shows how the Auschwitz crematorium and gas chamber
(underground) is presented to the modern visitor to Auschwitz.
Above: The "reconstructed" nature of Crematorium 1 at Auschwitz is
obvious to even a causal observer: these photographs of the rear of the
"reconstructed" Crematorium 1, showing the equally "reconstructed"
chimney - which, as is evident, is not even connected to the building
whose ovens it is supposed to have served. The chimney in fact is
connected to nothing - a really poor fake.
Above: The ruins of Crematorium 2 in Auschwitz-Birkenau, as the Nazis
left them when they evacuated the camp. This is how all the other
Crematoria in the camp appear today - compare this to the
"reconstructed" Crematorium 1 above, and the full extent of the
"reconstruction" work becomes obvious - in fact, the gas chamber and
crematorium shown to modern visitors to Auschwitz has been totally
fabricated and built after the war. If modern day camp museum staff are
pressed on this point, they do now admit it, although it was denied for
years, despite obvious flaws in the Crematorium 1 chimney
reconstruction, as illustrated above.
ORIGINAL Architect's PLANS SHOW NO GAS CHAMBERS
The original German architectural building plans for Auschwitz have
survived, and are on display at the camp museum to this day. There are
no gas chambers on these original plans - and given the specialist
construction which would be required to build chambers capable of
killing thousands of people at a time (as is claimed) it seems extremely
unlikely that the plans in question would not have shown these structures.
It is claimed that the rooms marked as mortuaries (in German,
"leichenkellers") on the building plans were used as gas chambers - a
claim which is highly dubious, given the technical demands which an
airtight chamber being used for mass gassings, would require.
Above: The original German architectural building plans for Crematorium
2 at the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, on public display in the camp museum
today. According to this original plan, there is no gas chamber. It is
claimed that the underground structures, marked very clearly as
mortuaries ("leichenkellers") were used as gas chambers - something
which would technically be almost impossible, given the extremely high
airtight specifications which are compulsory at gas chamber execution
facilities which are used to kill people, as in the USA.
Below: Two details of the above architect's plans, which show the
mortuaries ("leichenkellers") in question. It is now claimed that these
mortuary rooms were in fact gas chambers, and one of the mortuary rooms
in the "reconstructed" Crematorium 1 is presented as a real execution
center.
Above left: A model on display at the modern Auschwitz museum
illustrates how the rooms described as mortuaries on the architectural
building plans, would supposedly have been used as gas chambers. The
ridiculousness of the alleged murder facility being actually used as
shown is revealed by other photographs from the present day gas chamber
on display to visitors to Auschwitz, illustrated below.
Above right: A photograph of the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz 1
which is shown to visitors today: note the non-airtight opening door to
the right of the picture, and in the top left of the picture, note the
perfectly ordinary single pane glass window. If this room had been used
to mass gas thousands of people, it would have been smashed out in an
instant by the victims, especially if they were, as the story goes,
packed into such facilities thousands or hundreds at a time.
Above: These two pictures show the roof of the alleged gas chamber shown
to modern visitors to Auschwitz: Left: Firstly, note how close the
building is to surrounding facilities, in particular the hospital block
and the nearby guard tower. Right: The small structures on the roof
itself were allegedly the pipe openings into which the Zyklon-B gas
pellets were thrown. The larger structures are air vents through which
the gas would have been allegedly expelled once the victims were dead.
The impossibility of having poisonous gas - so strong that it had just
allegedly killed thousands of people in a few minutes - being expelled
into the air right next to the camp hospital with its open windows -
makes a complete mockery of the gassing allegations.
Above: A close-up view of the openings on the roof of the alleged gas
chamber which is shown to modern visitors to Auschwitz. It is claimed
that the Zyklon-B pellets - which react with air to give off gas would
be thrown down these openings into hollow pipes in the alleged gas
chamber below. There are, of course, no hollow pipes in the chamber
below (see picture of the interior above). More importantly, the crude
wooden lid, which is lifted open and closed by hand, as illustrated
here, is not airtight and would certainly have resulted in leakage of
the gas into the surrounding area above the chamber, killing both guards
and people in the surrounding buildings as well. Simply put, it is
impossible to mass gas people in such a facility without killing
everyone in the surrounding area as well.
It is therefore worth noting that there is absolutely no technical
physical evidence to support the claim that gas chambers, designed for
the killing of people, existed at any German concentration camp. This is
particularly so with regard to the oft claimed story of gas chambers
disguised as showers.
DELOUSING CHAMBERS FOR CLOTHING USED ZYKLON-B IN ALL CAMPS
What did exist - at all the camps - were small delousing chambers - tiny
air tight rooms - no larger than large cupboards - in which clothes were
regularly deloused with the Zyklon-B chemical (which was - and still is
to this day - sold under that brand name as an insecticide). These
delousing chambers were used in all the Nazi camps - including those in
Germany itself, with the result that Zyklon-B was distributed to all
camps, in Poland and in Germany alike. All Nazi documentation relating
to gas and gassing equipment refers specifically to this use of the
poison gas, and nowhere is reference made to the killing people in the
camps with this insecticide.
Above right: A real gas chamber at Dachau, outside Munich. Although it
was claimed that this chamber was used to kill people, this allegation
has long since been abandoned and it is accepted that this was a
clothing delousing chamber, which used Zyklon-B insecticide. Delousing
chambers existed at all the Nazi camps. Note the gas warning on the
door. Above left: The delousing chamber at Mauthausen Camp, also used
Zyklon-B to disinfect prisoner clothing. Despite it having long since
been admitted that there were no homicidal gas chambers in Germany
itself, modern day visitors to Mauthausen are still told that people
were killed in this chamber - a blatant lie.
Surviving bills of lading for Zyklon-B, which are available for public
inspection at the National Archives in the United States, show very
clearly that Zyklon-B was shipped to all camps, and not just to the
alleged gas chamber camps. The bills of lading in the US National
Archives run from 16 February to 31 May 1944 and reveal that the cases
of cyanide crystals (Zyklon) are numbered in sequence (Nos. 50,053 to
50,210), each shipment consisted of thirteen cases, totaling 195 kg; and
identical shipments -- six each -- went to Auschwitz and Oranienburg
concentration camps.
Oranienburg is situated in Germany itself, and not even the wildest
Holocaust exaggeration has ever claimed that there was a homicidal gas
chamber at Oranienburg camp. The existence of proof of shipping of
Zyklon-B to be used as a delousing agent to Oranienburg, is conclusive
evidence of the real purpose for which that chemical was actually used
for in the camps.
FORENSIC INVESTIGATION OF "GAS CHAMBER" RUINS REVEALS NO EVIDENCE OF
GASSINGS
Although the Crematorium 1 has now been accepted by all as having been
built after the war, there are in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp the
remains of no less than four other crematoria, all of which are alleged
to either have had gas chambers attached to them in an underground
facility, or have had the capacity for such gas chambers.
As cyanide gas leaves very long lasting traces in walls and plaster, the
obvious step for anyone wishing to conclusively prove the use of
Zyklon-B as a mass killing agent in the ruins of the alleged gas
chambers at Auschwitz, would be to take forensic samples from these
sites and analyze them for traces of the poison gas.
Surprisingly, samples were never taken from these sites to try and prove
that mass gassing took place- and it was up to the revisionist
historians, who doubted the mass gassing story, to take the first
samples and analyze them. These samples were taken by Fred Leuchter, an
acknowledged American expert who designed and built many of the late
20th Century American judicial execution methods, and whose work is
widely available on the Internet.
Above: A still image from a video made of American judicial execution
expert, Fred Leuchter, taking samples inside the crematorium - and
alleged gas chamber - in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Leuchter took samples of
the walls and plaster from all sites in Auschwitz which were allegedly
used as mass gas chambers, and after analysis, found that there were
insufficient traces of cyanide in the samples to show that these
buildings had been used as gas chambers.
In February 1988, Leuchter traveled to Auschwitz, Poland, and assessed
the likelihood that the building remains there could have functioned as
homicidal gas chambers. He took forty samples of the fabric of those
structures, for forensic and chemical analysis by reputable American
laboratories. These laboratories found no significant residues of
hydrogen-cyanide compounds except in one structure, which was commonly
agreed to have been the building in which the slave laborers' clothing
was fumigated with Zyklon-B. Here there were massive quantities of the
poison residue still impregnating the brickwork. (The Leuchter Report,
by Fred Leuchter, Focal Point Publications, London, 1989).
It has since been alleged that Leuchter's samples were invalid because
they were ground up with brick and plaster which had not been exposed to
Zyklon-B. This allegation is without foundation, as the test results,
undertaken by an independent laboratory in the USA which had not been
told the samples' origin, found the differentiation in traces of cyanide
gas to be constant from site to site. Thus, even if non-contaminated
material had been mixed in with the original, the differences between
the area where delousing had taken place and where alleged mass killings
had taken place, were still identical, despite all the samples having
been subjected to the same mixing process.
In other words, it is the difference between the samples themselves
which is the revealing part of the Leuchter Report: the scale of
differentiation remained constant, even in the sample from the clothing
delousing chamber, where the use of Zyklon-B was never under dispute.
Independent Forensic Research Confirms Leuchter Report
The British historian, David Irving, is the world's best selling writer
and researcher on World War Two, a title he holds despite losing a much
publicized libel suit against a Jewish author who accused him of being a
Holocaust denier. In March 1991, Irving announced that he had
"improperly obtained" a copy of a Polish forensic laboratory report
commissioned secretly in February 1990 by Franciszek Piper, the new
non-Communist director of the Auschwitz museum and archives.
This independent Polish government investigation, which the Auschwitz
museum authorities have yet to release, although it is dated 24
September 1990, shows that while there are substantial concentrations
(between 9 and 147 micrograms per 100g) of cyanide residues in ten
samples taken from the walls of the rooms and chambers where cyanide gas
was used for disinfecting the slave-laborers' clothing, there are none
whatever in ten samples taken from rooms identified in countless war
crimes trials as the lethal gas chambers also using this Zyklon B
(hydrogen cyanide) gas, apart from a " vanishingly small" trace in one
column in Birkenau, compatible with routine disinfectant operations.
Forensic tests on human hair samples were also negative.-(Focal Point
Publications, http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ReadersLetters/Times210391.html).
Raul Hilberg has also testified in a Canadian court that "no scientific
reports prove Jews were exterminated in Nazi gas chambers" (Scientific
evidence of Holocaust missing, The Sault Star Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario,
January 18, 1985). Testifying in the trial of a holocaust revisionist
activist, Hilberg added that " . . . German war documents contain no
mention of killing Jews . . ." and "there are no autopsy reports
indicating a single person died from exposure to poisonous gas in
chambers. " (ibid).
It should be borne in mind that although there is no direct physical
evidence to support the charge that six million Jews were gassed in the
camps, this does not mean that the camps themselves did not exist, nor
that Jews were rounded up and deported, nor that many died through
illness, starvation or conventional judicial executions.
Auschwitz's real purpose - a massive labor camp
If there is no physical evidence of gas chambers having been operational
at Auschwitz, the question can be rightly asked then what was the
purpose of the camp in the first place. The answer to this is
startlingly obvious if the site is visited with an unbiased eye: the
Auschwitz area was one of the industrial concentration areas for the
Third Reich, housing factories from almost all major industries which
supported the Reich's war effort.
The Buna rubber factory was in Auschwitz, as were an IG-Farben factory,
amongst dozens of others, manufacturing everything from clothing through
to medical supplies. Jews - and others - were sent to Auschwitz to work
as forced labor - in terms of the Wannsee plan.
Above: The true reason for the existence of the Auschwitz camp is
revealed in these little shown pictures of the industrial complex which
surrounded the camp - most of it within full view of the interior of the
camp itself. Left: The Monowitz industrial complex, where most of
Auschwitz's inmates were put to work in a variety of heavy industries,
ranging from rubber manufacture, medical supplies, armaments and, as
illustrated in the picture right, clothing. This photograph shows the
tailor's workshop at Auschwitz 1, where prisoners would make up clothing
for use by the German army.
USE OF INMATES AS LABOR EXPLAINS TATTOOING
The use of inmates at Auschwitz as labor also explains why the Nazis
would have found it necessary to tattoo identification numbers on
prisoners' arms - for if it was their intention to gas all Jews sent to
Auschwitz, it would have made no sense to go through the trouble and
expense of identifying and tattooing them first.
As the Soviet army advanced westward, the Nazis closed down the
Auschwitz camp and forced all able bodied inmates to evacuate westward
with them - once again contradicting the mass murder theory. If the
Nazis had indeed wanted to kill all the inmates of Auschwitz, there
would have been no logical reason to take Jews with them back into the
Reich. The obvious intention in evacuating all able bodied inmates was
to keep using them as labor at other locations, once again underlining
the real purpose of the Auschwitz complex.
PHOTOGRAPHS OF AUSCHWITZ INMATES BELIE MASS GASSING ALLEGATIONS
The evacuation of all able bodied inmates from Auschwitz by the Nazis
meant that only the elderly, children or sick remained behind in that
camp when it was overrun by the advancing Soviet army. Herein lies
another interesting but suppressed fact: as the pictures below show, the
inmates of Auschwitz, as photographed shortly after the camp was overrun
in January 1945, were the sickest and most disabled of all the prisoners
- yet they actually do not look that sick or undernourished at all.
Above: inmates at Auschwitz, too infirm or sick to be evacuated by the
Nazis, photographed in Auschwitz in January 1945. Note that they are
warmly dressed, reasonably fed and do not resemble the emaciated corpses
which are almost universally portrayed as evidence of Nazi extermination
programs. The fact that so many women, children and infirm were still in
the camp, and had not been "gassed", is yet another factor against the
veracity of the "mass gassing" allegation - for if the story were true,
those too sick to work, or too young, were "gassed upon arrival." That
this did not happen, is proved by the fact that there were so many
children and infirm in the camp.
These prisoners compare dramatically with the inmates found in camps in
Germany itself, such as Bergen Belsen, where the lice borne disease
typhus, had wreaked havoc, causing masses of prisoners there to die as
dehydrated, emaciated skeleton figures. It remains thus one of the
ironies of the Holocaust story, that the skin and bone body photographs
which are used as 'evidence' of the Nazi's "genocide", do not originate
in the so-called "extermination" camps, but from the camps in Germany
proper, where no-one alleges that gas chambers existed.
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So, I presume you accept all that whithout analysis and confirmation, right?
-A
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05 Dec 2004 10:38:46 AM |
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In article <covd8v$2jd$19@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Absolute Zero <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Still nothing to support you view, eh Amy?
Imagine, arguing a point because she feels that way, oh wait, she's a woman,
what more should we expect?
Oops, LOL!!!
Heh. Attempting to refute someone else because of their gender/race/religion =
"I have no facts".
Woods
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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05 Dec 2004 03:13:35 PM |
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Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Absolute Zero <amycaton@hotmail.com> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:35:01 +0000 spoke:
http://www.white-history.com
UGLY racist *****.
A review of this camp, and the allegations
which surround it, is therefore particularly worthwhile.
ONLY if it's realistic, NOT the crap that site spews.
--
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
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| User: "Grantland" |
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05 Dec 2004 03:23:54 PM |
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Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Absolute Zero <amycaton@hotmail.com> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:35:01 +0000 spoke:
http://www.white-history.com
UGLY racist *****.
A review of this camp, and the allegations
which surround it, is therefore particularly worthwhile.
ONLY if it's realistic, NOT the crap that site spews.
mealy mouthed liar and hypocrite
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