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My assertion that Nostradamus' poetry is enciphered and that the
texts in prose derived therefrom are Nostradamus' own hidden
prophecy did not please those who disagreed... ten years ago.
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An illustration of this follows:
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Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
From: (Claude Latremouille)
Subject: Jan 28 à Peter
Message-ID: <EnIB9q.Dzx.0.sheppard@torfree.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:27:25 GMT
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Two responses to Peter in:
[HEADER SNIPPED: Re: Jan 24 à Alef ]
CLAUDE TO ALEF:
I understand that you do not agree with this. That is ok.
All I
ask you is to understand that it is my position, and that I
cannot pretend that it is not, just to please the millions
of people who will be disgusted by the prophecy.
Or to please the few in this NewsGroup (you and Peter) who
are trying to dissuade me. All I ask you both is to wait and
see the entire decrypted prophecy in prose, and decide again
if it is too unbelievable to be true.
PETER: All I would try to dissuade you from doing, Claude, is to
assert as a matter of course that your results are Nostradamus's
prophecies, rather than simply what you are getting out of the
prophecies by applying the techniques that you are applying. Were
you merely to assert the latter, nobody could possibly disagree
with you, least of all me - and everybody could then draw their
own conclusions without being hammered on the head by your
constant assertions of rightness.
Even stating that this is the conclusion that you personally have
drawn would be perfectly acceptable: it is the suggestion that
everybody else ought to, too, that I find rather objectionable.
Though, to be fair, you usually do so in the most reasonable and
polite of ways...
--
Peter
CLAUDE: Do you not realize, Peter, the parallels to be drawn
between the position you put forward and that of 17th Century
Cardinal Bellarmin faced with Galileo's astronomy?
If I understand you correctly, you would "allow" me to say that
what I have discovered is just a theory, that it is not a true
representation of reality. Other than that, I would be a heretic.
In the matter of the "...pour d'yci a l'an 3 7 9 7 .", you have
refused, like the Roman Cardinals of the times "to look into my
telescope", and have later given in a.p.n. (was it a joke?) an
incorrect quote of that passage of the Letter to Caesar, my
objection to which remained unanswered. (My post is in DéjàNews,
if you have missed it.)
You do disagree with me about the fact that Nostradamus' prophecy
is totally in prose, in cryptic anagrams. Ok. Fine. But, so as
not to mislead you on this subject, I am not seeking approval or
acceptance from anyone on this. This is not a popularity contest,
Peter. If I were seeking popular support for myself, I would have
gone into politics, Peter, and would certainly not have "messed
up" with Nostradamus' prophecies.
So, I am not looking for a recipe to be approved by others, as my
sole goal is to state what I believe to be true.
As to your expression "...being hammered on the head by your
constant assertions of rightness.", you might agree that I cannot
at the same time state what I state, and also suggest that I am
not stating the truth. One has to choose in life what is
important, Peter. And my choice is the truth, not approval, not
popularity, not avoiding looking ridiculous.
If what I do looks ridiculous, so be it.
Rather than suggesting means to disguise what I view as the
truth, you might gain more sympathy from me if you were to give a
reasonable explanation (which does not involve anagrams) to all
of the quirks found in Nostradamus' poetry, AND ALSO to state at
least once, only once, Peter, that you have no answer (other than
the presence of anagrams) for a particular oddity of that poetry,
rather than remaining silent about it. You have never done that,
Peter. Are you afraid of the Inquisition? ;-)
Until you do that, Peter, I cannot help having the very same
feeling about your articles in a.p.n., that is "...being hammered
on the head by your constant assertions of rightness."
The next post to which I am responding is a case in point, where
we have discussed that same point before, in English, and yet,
you keep repeating the same old tired story, this time in French.
Once is enough, Peter. If it is important, put it in your FAQ and
post it every week, if you want.
[ HEADER SNIPPED: Re: Jean in Quebec ]
(Claude Latremouille) wrote:
Jean-François Lambert (capet@videotron.ca) wrote:
: > >> >Century 9 Quatrin 48
: > >> > 9.48
: > >> > La grand cité d'Occean maritime,
: > >> > Enuironnée de marets de cristal:
: > >> >Dans le soltice Hiémal & la prime,
: > >> >Sera tentée de vent espouuantal.
: Le Quatrain ne parles surement pas d'une ville de
: l'Amérique... Je pense que Michel, parle d'un grand port de
: mer, qui touche à l'Océan... Ça parle surement d'une
: Grande-Ville française... Dans les allentours ont y trouve
: des marais, et dont le vent de la région son très fort. C'est
: tout..
: J.F. LAmbert
Jean-Francois (pardonnez l'absence d'accents, puisque mon
fournisseur n'est pas configure pour les permettre lorsque l'on
ecrit en ligne), cordonnier est mal chausse, et si l'on est
quebecois ou montrealais, la derniere chose a laquelle on pense
est que le quatrain designe la ville de Montreal.
La "voie maritime du Saint-Laurent" passe bien par Montreal,
n'est-ce pas ? Et vous souvenez-vous de ces iles, construites
de toutes pieces, a l'occasion de Terre des Hommes, l'Exposition
universelle ; vous souvenez-vous des pavillons, plusieurs en
verre, eriges sur ces iles, qui pourraient avoir eu l'air de
'marets en cristal'...
Ne soyez pas si categorique lorsque vous excluez les choses...
et vous aurez bien des idees... pas si folles que ca !
Et Montreal est bel et bien un grand port de mer qui touche a
l'ocean... meme si nos habitudes geographiques nous font
considerer que le Saint-Laurent est un fleuve et non un grand
bras de mer, le golfe Saint-Laurent ayant deja fait perdre son
nom a l'Atlantique...
Quelques idees folles... de Toronto...
Mais en Amerique du Nord?!! Voila ce qui est invraisemblable -
lui qui a insiste que ses propheties ont comme sujet l'Europe,
l'Asie (Mineure) et l'Afrique (du Nord)!
--
Peter
CLAUDE : Nous avons déjà parlé de cette question, Peter. Il est
vrai que, dans la Lettre à Henry, Nostradamus écrit (il n'insiste
pas) que ses prophéties visent une région du monde en particulier
et il semble y donner une énumération :
NOSTRADAMUS :
calculation Astronomique , correspondant aux
ans, moys, & sepmaines des regions, contrees, &
de la pluspart des villes & citez de toute l'Euro-
pe, comprenant de l'Affrique. & vne partie de
l'Asie par le changeme[n]t des regions, qui s'appro-
chent la plus part de tous ces climats , & composé
CLAUDE : Nostradamus n'écrit pas qu'il n'a pas écrit une
prophétie au sujet de l'Amérique du Nord (du Canada, des États-
Unis), ou de Cuba, ou encore de l'Asie (de la Chine, du Japon),
ou encore de l'Océanie (de Mururoa), par exemple. "Comprenant"
peut se traduire "including".
Je vous ai déjà dit que cette énumération apparente pouvait
parfaitement être compatible avec un désir de donner une
illustration par voie d'exemple de ce que sa prophétie avait une
envergure mondiale, mondiale par rapport à son époque, bien sûr,
et n'était pas limitée à la France, ce qu'elle aurait pu être.
D'ailleurs vous-même, Peter - et c'est ce qui me désole, puisque
vous écrivez que la chose est "invraisemblable" - avez bien
constaté dans un autre article paru dans a.p.n. que Nostradamus
parlait de l'Amérique dans le premier vers de l'un de ses
quatrains, le X-66:
Le chef de Londres par regne l'Americh,
Vous semblez vouloir nier à tout prix ce que j'écris même si, ce
faisant, vous devez contredire ce que vous avez vous-même écrit
ailleurs. Mais j'ai une mémoire phénoménale, Peter, et... je me
souviens...
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