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From: (Claude Latremouille)
Subject: Feb 04 Artful Snipping
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:53:50 GMT
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Since the practice of denying the presence of cryptic anagrams in
Nostradamus' poetry has now taken a sometimes artful form, it may
be time to re-post some of the items which never receive any
answer from those specializing in such a denial.
These artful forms now take three shapes:
1) the post remains unanswered (as it was 'not received');
2) the post is answered in part only, the most telling item being
snipped from the reply (to 'save bandwidth');
3) the post is referred to much later, when everyone has
forgotten what the original said (as only the original writer
remembers what he wrote).
Sometimes the original posts are in French, so the re-posts shall
be in French.
ORIGINAL POST:
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Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
From: (Claude Latremouille)
Subject: Claude responds to Peter (Item 1)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:58:43 GMT
Responding to Peter in:
From: (Peter Lemesurier)
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Subject: Re: Alef to Lyn - Nos tra da mus
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:13:45 GMT
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CLAUDE: Lyn, in three lines, you have asked the most basic
questions which could ever be asked about Nostradamus.
QUESTION 1: Why did M.Nostradamus change his name to a latin
form?
ANSWER 1: Because he wanted to hide his prophecy in his pen
name.
PETER: You can take that with a pinch of salt, Lyn. Claude has a
bit of thing about this...
CLAUDE: And Peter does not...
QUESTION 2: and pardon my 7th grade Latin class but didn't we
conjigate verbs?
ANSWER 2: Conjugate? I am sure that if you studied some Latin,
you would have conjugated verbs. In which case, you might have
stumbled upon the Latin verb "dare", meaning 'to give', like
this:
do
das
dat
damus *
date
dant
PETER: You can swallow that perfectly safely, though...
CLAUDE: Glad to see that my basic Latin gets Peter's approval.
QUESTION 3: Does his name mean something?
ANSWER 3: And you would probably guess that the invented name
NOSTRADAMUS could also mean: we give (damus) what is ours to
give (nostra), literally, the things which belong to us. What
does Nostradamus give us which belongs to him? The letters of
his poetry. So that we can make out his prophecy in prose by
displacing these letters.
PETER: What Claude is evidently referring to is a Latin two-liner
that was circulated in around 1558 in criticism of him:
Nostra damus ***** falsa damus, nam fallere nostrum est
Et ***** falsa damus, nil nisi nostra damus.
CLAUDE: No, Peter, that was not to what I was referring. I was
referring to the fact that many a commentator, in years past, has
also attempted to answer the very good question asked by Lyn, and
came to the conclusion that it meant: We give (damus) what is
ours (nostra) to give. Nothing more.
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PETER: Clearly, then, the reason why he called himself
'Nostradam-' was because that was his name. The reason why he
added '-us' was to give himself a professional, scholarly air -
whether or not he was aware of the possible new Latin meaning of
the name as a whole.
CLAUDE: Clearly, you say, Peter? If it was so clear we would not
still be discussing it in 1998!
Many commentators asserted that Nostradamus picked that latinized
form of his name precisely as Peter points out "to give himself a
professional, scholarly air".
But when the photocopy of Nostradamus' true signature in Latin
began to circulate in the 1980's, lo! and behold, everybody
realized that... everybody had been wrong. No, Nostradamus *was
not* the latinized form of Michel de Nostredame's name, since, in
Latin, his signature from the University of Montpellier reads:
Michaletus de Nostra Domina
Nostradamus was not using his name in Latin. He was using an
anagram *which looked like* the Latin version of his name, but
which did not contain 18 letters as his name does, but contains
only 17, to point to 2017, the year in which happens the horrible
event about which he wrote his prophecy.
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M I C H E L N O S T R A D A M U S
PETER: However, in view of what the above witticism says and
implies, Claude should be careful about quoting it in favour of
his own anagrammatical technique!
CLAUDE: The funny thing is that explanation (Nostra=things which
are ours to give, damus=we give) did not involve anagrams. But
Peter is beginning to see them everywhere. No, Peter, I have not
even begun, yet, to give you these pearls... nothing stopping
you, of course, to get your game of Scrabble(R) out of the
closet, place the 17 letters MICHELNOSTRADAMUS on the table,
and... ta-daaaa!
Let the anagram game begin!
Claude Latrémouille
19 janvier 1998
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C L A U D E L A T R E M O U I L L E
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CLAUDE: Michel de Nostredame invented a pen-name for himself
which hides in two different versions of cryptic anagrams the
subject matter of the entire prophecy he also wrote in cryptic
anagrams.
Peter Lemesurier (just to make matters more interesting, there is
now a new Peter writing in a.p.n.) knows enough French (and
ancien French) to be able to solve that riddle. Of course he has
to deny that there is a riddle at all in Nostradamus' name.
Peter has so far refused to solve the riddle. If he did, he would
be proving to the face of the world that Nostradamus wrote his
prophecy entirely in anagrams for one single purpose: to warn
Paris of her unintended destruction, at 3:53 a.m., on Sunday
August 13, 2017.
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M I C H E L N O S T R A D A M U S
As neither Peter (nor Jean), who both deny that cryptic anagrams
form the entire prophecy, have responded to that part of the post
(Jean acknowledged the post), and as they appear to be the only
contributors to a.p.n. to have a sufficient knowledge of French
and of Nostradamus to solve the riddle, it is re-posted here for
their benefit.
And, of course, for the benefit of all who can read it.
Come on, you guys and gals of assorted cryptographic governmental
establishments, hone your skills by solving this rather easy
puzzle, and promptly report to your political masters what you
have found. As there is less than 20 years left to prepare for
it, better be safe than sorry, no?
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