Going through the archive, I noticed mr Leoni had done a piece on the
time supposedly these astrological conjunctions take place.
BY PLANETARY CONFIGURATIONS
Parentheses indicate not written that precisely, but probable. A
question (?) indicates perhaps not an actual configuration but,
rather, enigmatic characters or substances.
C2Q90 Castor and Pollux enemies in the arena (?)
C2Q15 Castor and Pollux in Argo
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
C2Q98 Jupiter in Leo
C4Q33 Jupiter joined more to Venus than to the Moon
C6Q24 Mars and Jupiter conjoined in Cancer (Wollner, p, 59: June 21,
2002)
C3Q03 Mars and Mercury and (Moon) conjoined
C2Q05 (Mars and Mercury conjoined in Pisces) (?)
C8Q91 (Mars and Venus conjoined in Pisces)
C5Q91 (Mars in Leo, Saturn in Aquarius)
C5Q25 Mars, Sun and Venus conjoined in Leo (McCann, p. 412: August 2,
1987)
C4Q84 Mars, Venus and Sun conjoined in summer
C5Q93 Mercury dominating (Wollner, p. 52: 1720-56 1972-2008, etc.)
C2Q65; Mercury in Sagittarius, Saturn will fade (Wollner, p. 60:
December 13, 1604; December 25, 1839; December 7, 2044; December 17,
2281; December 1, 2486)
C9Q55 Mercury, Mars and Jupiter in France
C4Q97 Mercury, Mars, Venus in retrogression
C1Q56 (Moon dominant) (Wollner, p. 57: 1540-76, 1792-1828, etc.)
C5Q14 Saturn and Mars conjoined in Leo
C1Q52 (Saturn and Mars conjoined in Scorpio) (Wollner, p. 56: 1572,
1606, 1660, 1662, 1690, 1720, 1748, 1777, 1779, 1807, 1809, 1837 1867,
1895, 1925, 1953, 1955, 1994 ... )
C462 Saturn and Mars equal
C10Q50 Saturn and the three in Aquarius
C4Q86 Saturn in Aquarius conjoined with Sun
C1Q16 (Saturn in Aquarius towards Sagittarius) (Wollner, p. 44:
September 13, 1699)
C8Q48 Saturn in Cancer, Jupiter with Mars (Wollner, p. 63: February 1,
2769)
C10Q67 Saturn in Capricorn, Jupiter and Mercury in Taurus, Venus in
Cancer, Mars in Virgo (Wollner, p. 55: [May 1549 ]; April, 1929; May,
3755)
C5Q24 Saturn in empire over Jupiter (?)
C3Q96 Saturn in Leo on February 13 (Wollner, p. 58: 1565, 1595, 1624,
1654,
1683, 1713, 1742, 1771, 1801, 1830, 1860, 1889, 1919, 1948, 1977,
2007, 2036, 2095, 2124, 2154 ... )
C6Q04 Saturn in Leo, Mars in Cancer in plunder
C1Q83 Saturn in Mars (sic)
C2Q48 Saturn in Sagittarius, Mars turning from Pisces (Wollner, pp.
61-62: July 17, 1751; July 13, 2193)
C8Q49 Saturn in Taurus, Jupiter in Aquarius, Mars in Sagittarius
(Wollner, p. 50: February 6, 1736)
C5Q87 Saturn out of bondage(?
C8Q02 Sun and Mars conjoined in Leo
C4Q29 Sun eclipsed by Mercury (
C5Q72 Sun eclipsed by Venus)(?)
C652 Sun in Aquarius
C9Q19 Sun in Leo
C9Q73 Sun, Mars and Mercury near Aquarius (McCann, p. 411: February
18, 1981)
C2Q35 Sun [in (?)] Sagittarius and Capricorn all reduced
C4Q28 Venus covered by the Sun
C4Q33 Venus hidden under the whiteness of Neptune
Epistle, para. 41, [See there; lengthy (Wollner, p. 29: January 1,
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01 Oct 2004 03:42:52 PM |
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(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0410010319.702c39e4@posting.google.com>...
Going through the archive, I noticed mr Leoni had done a piece on the
time supposedly these astrological conjunctions take place.
BY PLANETARY CONFIGURATIONS
Parentheses indicate not written that precisely, but probable. A
question (?) indicates perhaps not an actual configuration but,
rather, enigmatic characters or substances.
C2Q90 Castor and Pollux enemies in the arena (?)
C2Q15 Castor and Pollux in Argo
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
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01 Oct 2004 04:53:21 PM |
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Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, (Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
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So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology,
but something else, like actual people?
--
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
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01 Oct 2004 10:27:44 PM |
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Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<nfkrl0le6bled1qob896di53f4i65kb1ep@4ax.com>...
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, (Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
-0700 spoke:
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology,
but something else, like actual people?
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Castor & Pollux Troy: Face Off
Hooroo ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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02 Oct 2004 03:29:58 PM |
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Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<nfkrl0le6bled1qob896di53f4i65kb1ep@4ax.com>...
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, (Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
-0700 spoke:
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology,
but something else, like actual people?
Absolutley agree the astro conjunctions are people not stars.
LB
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02 Oct 2004 12:59:54 PM |
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Never anonymous Bud a écrit:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, (Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
-0700 spoke:
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology,
but something else, like actual people?
Castor and Pollux refer to the actual starts of the Gemini
constellation. The aspect here is about its dual aspect, but it can't be
about anything else. besides, the line further speaks of a comet.
http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q15.htm
(THis is about the twin comet Biela, the economic crisis of 1857, the
insurrection of 1859 in Italy, and the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Something else BTW, that Lemesurier would dispute based on his ignorance
of the Old French text, but offer no alternative, unless he offers a
vague unrelated one in the distant past before the Centuries were ever
written. Nah, about Castor & Pollux, there is no doubt, Lemesurier is
making up stuff before looking it up, just to look more intelligent than
others.
J.
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02 Oct 2004 04:20:47 PM |
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Jean Guernon a écrit:
Never anonymous Bud a écrit:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,
(Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
-0700 spoke:
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology, but
something else, like actual people?
Castor and Pollux refer to the actual stars of the Gemini
constellation. The aspect here is about its dual aspect, but it can't be
about anything else. besides, the line further speaks of a comet.
True, the meaning here is figurative, the dual nature of Gemini by its
two predominant stars, castor and polux, is indicative of a dual nature
of the comet. So he does use the astrological meaning of the
astronomical information here even though he refers to the stars, an
astronomical reality indeed. I note that 2,90 is also with such
interpretation. So, in a way, it could be considered outside the
criteria for qualifying as the description of the stars as an actual
astronomical phenomena. Unless of course there can be a better
interpretation using the sign in its concrete meaning.
There are no others with stars in the list.
http://www.google.ca/groups?selm=39cd5fe.0410010319.702c39e4%40posting.google.com
I wonder still, if there are other quatrains with stars. Do you know of
any others?
J.
http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q15.htm
(This is about the twin comet Biela, the economic crisis of 1857, the
insurrection of 1859 in Italy, and the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Something else BTW, that Lemesurier would dispute based on his ignorance
of the Old French text, but offer no alternative, unless he offers a
vague unrelated one in the distant past before the Centuries were ever
written. Nah, about Castor & Pollux, there is no doubt, Lemesurier is
making up stuff before looking it up, just to look more intelligent than
others.
J.
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02 Oct 2004 04:03:00 PM |
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Jean Guernon a écrit:
Never anonymous Bud a écrit:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,
(Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
-0700 spoke:
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology, but
something else, like actual people?
Castor and Pollux refer to the actual starts of the Gemini
constellation. The aspect here is about its dual aspect, but it can't be
about anything else. besides, the line further speaks of a comet.
http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q15.htm
(THis is about the twin comet Biela, the economic crisis of 1857, the
insurrection of 1859 in Italy, and the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Something else BTW, that Lemesurier would dispute based on his ignorance
of the Old French text, but offer no alternative, unless he offers a
vague unrelated one in the distant past before the Centuries were ever
written. Nah, about Castor & Pollux, there is no doubt, Lemesurier is
making up stuff before looking it up, just to look more intelligent than
others.
J.
And this is an exaggeration as he knows Old French and have some skill
in the linguistic but sometimes cannot admit others' knowledge or ability.
What is not bad about Lemesurier is good, he will sometimes know about
uncommon details on the epoch of the Seer, he also will has an
outstanding culture about the Seer.
And even his research about correlation with the past occurrences
presents an interest in that it can serve in proving that there is no
plagiarism or retro-prophecies.
And... He can make someone laugh.
J.
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02 Oct 2004 03:17:18 PM |
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Jean Guernon a écrit:
Never anonymous Bud a écrit:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,
(Michael Johnathan McDonald) on 1 Oct 2004 13:42:52
-0700 spoke:
So how do you figure Castor is in here as a pretext to Lemesurier's
admitted Nostradamus said not one damn thing about stars?
Do you still believe him? I never did!
Or, as is more likely, Castor and Pollux don't refer to astrology, but
something else, like actual people?
Castor and Pollux refer to the actual starts of the Gemini
constellation. The aspect here is about its dual aspect, but it can't be
about anything else. besides, the line further speaks of a comet.
http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q15.htm
(THis is about the twin comet Biela, the economic crisis of 1857, the
insurrection of 1859 in Italy, and the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Something else BTW, that Lemesurier would dispute based on his ignorance
of the Old French text, but offer no alternative, unless he offers a
vague unrelated one in the distant past before the Centuries were ever
written. Nah, about Castor & Pollux, there is no doubt, Lemesurier is
making up stuff before looking it up, just to look more intelligent than
others.
J.
I should say that what is not bad about Lemesurier is good, he will
sometimes know about uncommon details on the epoch of the Seer, he also
will has an outstanding culture about the Seer.
And even his research about correlation with the past presents an
interest in that it can serve in proving that there is no plagiarism or
retro-prophecies.
And... He can make someone laugh.
J.
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02 Oct 2004 03:31:39 PM |
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Jean,
Under the new guidelines of this NG. Not only is your answer
inchorent it is also useless.
In the future please have a dram of Irish wiskey before
replying.
Deke
Whiskey was invented so the Irish would not take over the
world.
Jean Guernon a =e9crit:
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03 Oct 2004 10:52:37 AM |
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Dekinblue a écrit:
Jean,
Under the new guidelines of this NG. Not only is your answer
inchorent it is also useless.
Nah.
In the future please have a dram of Irish wiskey before
replying.
Nah.
J.
Deke
Whiskey was invented so the Irish would not take over the
world.
Jean Guernon a écrit:
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01 Oct 2004 11:36:47 AM |
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Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Going through the archive, I noticed mr Leoni had done a piece on the
time supposedly these astrological conjunctions take place.
BY PLANETARY CONFIGURATIONS
Parentheses indicate not written that precisely, but probable. A
question (?) indicates perhaps not an actual configuration but,
rather, enigmatic characters or substances.
C2Q90 Castor and Pollux enemies in the arena (?)
C2Q15 Castor and Pollux in Argo
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
C2Q98 Jupiter in Leo
C4Q33 Jupiter joined more to Venus than to the Moon
C6Q24 Mars and Jupiter conjoined in Cancer (Wollner, p, 59: June 21,
2002)
C3Q03 Mars and Mercury and (Moon) conjoined
C2Q05 (Mars and Mercury conjoined in Pisces) (?)
C8Q91 (Mars and Venus conjoined in Pisces)
C5Q91 (Mars in Leo, Saturn in Aquarius)
C5Q25 Mars, Sun and Venus conjoined in Leo (McCann, p. 412: August 2,
1987)
C4Q84 Mars, Venus and Sun conjoined in summer
C5Q93 Mercury dominating (Wollner, p. 52: 1720-56 1972-2008, etc.)
C2Q65; Mercury in Sagittarius, Saturn will fade (Wollner, p. 60:
December 13, 1604; December 25, 1839; December 7, 2044; December 17,
2281; December 1, 2486)
C9Q55 Mercury, Mars and Jupiter in France
C4Q97 Mercury, Mars, Venus in retrogression
C1Q56 (Moon dominant) (Wollner, p. 57: 1540-76, 1792-1828, etc.)
C5Q14 Saturn and Mars conjoined in Leo
C1Q52 (Saturn and Mars conjoined in Scorpio) (Wollner, p. 56: 1572,
1606, 1660, 1662, 1690, 1720, 1748, 1777, 1779, 1807, 1809, 1837 1867,
1895, 1925, 1953, 1955, 1994 ... )
C462 Saturn and Mars equal
C10Q50 Saturn and the three in Aquarius
C4Q86 Saturn in Aquarius conjoined with Sun
C1Q16 (Saturn in Aquarius towards Sagittarius) (Wollner, p. 44:
September 13, 1699)
C8Q48 Saturn in Cancer, Jupiter with Mars (Wollner, p. 63: February 1,
2769)
C10Q67 Saturn in Capricorn, Jupiter and Mercury in Taurus, Venus in
Cancer, Mars in Virgo (Wollner, p. 55: [May 1549 ]; April, 1929; May,
3755)
C5Q24 Saturn in empire over Jupiter (?)
C3Q96 Saturn in Leo on February 13 (Wollner, p. 58: 1565, 1595, 1624,
1654,
1683, 1713, 1742, 1771, 1801, 1830, 1860, 1889, 1919, 1948, 1977,
2007, 2036, 2095, 2124, 2154 ... )
C6Q04 Saturn in Leo, Mars in Cancer in plunder
C1Q83 Saturn in Mars (sic)
C2Q48 Saturn in Sagittarius, Mars turning from Pisces (Wollner, pp.
61-62: July 17, 1751; July 13, 2193)
C8Q49 Saturn in Taurus, Jupiter in Aquarius, Mars in Sagittarius
(Wollner, p. 50: February 6, 1736)
C5Q87 Saturn out of bondage(?
C8Q02 Sun and Mars conjoined in Leo
C4Q29 Sun eclipsed by Mercury (
C5Q72 Sun eclipsed by Venus)(?)
C652 Sun in Aquarius
C9Q19 Sun in Leo
C9Q73 Sun, Mars and Mercury near Aquarius (McCann, p. 411: February
18, 1981)
C2Q35 Sun [in (?)] Sagittarius and Capricorn all reduced
C4Q28 Venus covered by the Sun
C4Q33 Venus hidden under the whiteness of Neptune
Epistle, para. 41, [See there; lengthy (Wollner, p. 29: January 1,
1606)
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02 Oct 2004 03:28:22 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<zIf7d.879$N%.819@edtnps84>...
Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
The first step is put some down and get a consensus that these timings
are in accord with the proposed timings.
No point in claiming one thing when it may well be another.
LB
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03 Oct 2004 12:08:00 PM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<zIf7d.879$N%.819@edtnps84>...
Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
The first step is put some down and get a consensus that these timings
are in accord with the proposed timings.
No point in claiming one thing when it may well be another.
LB
hence why I ask you, which are those that you can't find a correlation,
and why not look at our takes before making such an assertion about
those specifically?
Nostradamus didn't make any mistake.
J.
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03 Oct 2004 04:59:28 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<QlW7d.9610$N%.6855@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<zIf7d.879$N%.819@edtnps84>...
Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
The first step is put some down and get a consensus that these timings
are in accord with the proposed timings.
No point in claiming one thing when it may well be another.
LB
hence why I ask you, which are those that you can't find a correlation,
and why not look at our takes before making such an assertion about
those specifically?
Nostradamus didn't make any mistake.
J.
We know Nostradamus never made a mistake it is the commentators we are
looking at "the Randi fodder" so called!
Ok let us take the first stated conjunction with a time from the list,
see how you explain it and discuss the disparity?
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
151. The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn, Eternal God, what changes
Then the bad times will return again after a long century; what
turmoil in France and Italy.
151 LI. Chef d'Aries, Jupiter, et Saturne, Dieu étérnel quelles
mutations, Puis par long siecle son maling temps retourne Gaule et
Italie, quelles emotions.
Your site has this:
1,51 : Napoleon Bonaparte's death (1821) and the prediction of the
emergence of another future conqueror Adolph Hitler (1921)
Well for starters a difference in time sequence, how do you get Hitler
a century later?
LB
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03 Oct 2004 07:14:39 PM |
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Astrological conjunctions to not exist in the prophecies of Nostradamus. They
are much more than you can see.
Chef de Aries... is the leader of a great war. Jupiter and Saturn is a
reference to Roman Christianty and chaos.
Jupiter is not a representation of true Christianity, but rather the church
that survived the ecumenical councils. a new / old faith awaits everyone.
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03 Oct 2004 06:32:31 PM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<QlW7d.9610$N%.6855@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<zIf7d.879$N%.819@edtnps84>...
Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
The first step is put some down and get a consensus that these timings
are in accord with the proposed timings.
No point in claiming one thing when it may well be another.
LB
hence why I ask you, which are those that you can't find a correlation,
and why not look at our takes before making such an assertion about
those specifically?
Nostradamus didn't make any mistake.
J.
We know Nostradamus never made a mistake it is the commentators we are
looking at "the Randi fodder" so called!
Ok let us take the first stated conjunction with a time from the list,
see how you explain it and discuss the disparity?
Good.
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
151. The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn, Eternal God, what changes
Then the bad times will return again after a long century; what
turmoil in France and Italy.
151 LI. Chef d'Aries, Jupiter, et Saturne, Dieu étérnel quelles
mutations, Puis par long siecle son maling temps retourne Gaule et
Italie, quelles emotions.
Your site has this:
1,51 : Napoleon Bonaparte's death (1821) and the prediction of the
emergence of another future conqueror Adolph Hitler (1921)
Well for starters a difference in time sequence, how do you get Hitler
a century later?
LB
Well, first of all, this quatrain is about Jupiter and Saturn at the
head of Aries (which is defined according to the sky charts used at the
time as between 1:45 hour and 2:05 hour in straight up ascension, and as
between 5 and 23 degrees in declination).
It was to occur only in around 1821, between July 1st and September 1st
of 1821. Well, there were some very scarce reoccurrence in March 1822
and in April 1881, but none as spectacular as this 1821 one. And the
next time it will re-occur is in the future, will be only in 2559.
Anyway, this gives us 2 whole months in mid summer 1821.
(If you want to see what the configuration looks like in, say, one day
approximately in-between those dates, you can always go see there:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Jul291821.jpg - but this is a sky chart
and doesn't indicate declination or ascension).
Now, what does the quatrain says?
First of all, it is about great changes to occur in France and Italy. We
know that 1821 was a major year for Italy as napoleon died on that year,
it occurred on May 5th, but the French learned about it months later,
during the summer of 1821. This death was received with great emotion,
and was underlined with a particular fashion by great writers such as
Stendhal, Hugo and Byron.
As for the third line, it predicts the occurrence of another conqueror
100 years later. In that order of thought, one can recall that it was
July 29, 1921 that Hitler was to become president of the german
socialist democrat party, and it was the springboard that was to launch
him later at the head of the leadership of the nation.
J.
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03 Oct 2004 06:50:56 PM |
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Jean Guernon a écrit:
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:<QlW7d.9610$N%.6855@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:<zIf7d.879$N%.819@edtnps84>...
Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
The first step is put some down and get a consensus that these timings
are in accord with the proposed timings.
No point in claiming one thing when it may well be another.
LB
hence why I ask you, which are those that you can't find a
correlation, and why not look at our takes before making such an
assertion about those specifically?
Nostradamus didn't make any mistake.
J.
We know Nostradamus never made a mistake it is the commentators we are
looking at "the Randi fodder" so called!
Ok let us take the first stated conjunction with a time from the list,
see how you explain it and discuss the disparity?
Good.
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
151. The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn, Eternal God, what changes
Then the bad times will return again after a long century; what
turmoil in France and Italy.
151 LI. Chef d'Aries, Jupiter, et Saturne, Dieu étérnel quelles
mutations, Puis par long siecle son maling temps retourne Gaule et
Italie, quelles emotions.
Your site has this:
1,51 : Napoleon Bonaparte's death (1821) and the prediction of the
emergence of another future conqueror Adolph Hitler (1921)
Well for starters a difference in time sequence, how do you get Hitler
a century later?
LB
BTW this is the link to the quatrain.
http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q51.htm
Might be hard (seems to be for you in this case anyway) to figure out
the third line without it.
Well, first of all, this quatrain is about Jupiter and Saturn at the
head of Aries (which is defined according to the sky charts used at the
time as between 1:45 hour and 2:05 hour in straight up ascension, and as
between 5 and 23 degrees in declination).
BTW, I wrote "in the charts at the time" because it was already known,
but it is still valid, in fact you have to look (well, figure out
astronomically) at the head of the aries in the constellation to know
exactly when a planet is in the vicinity in relation with earth.
Surprisingly very rare given that those are heavy planets.
But I don't know where your friend finds his own take, unless he thinks
it is somewhere around the first degrees?
But let's be modest, I must admit that it took me a while myself to
figure this out.
J.
It was to occur only in around 1821, between July 1st and September 1st
of 1821. Well, there were some very scarce reoccurrence in March 1822
and in April 1881, but none as spectacular as this 1821 one. And the
next time it will re-occur is in the future, will be only in 2559.
Anyway, this gives us 2 whole months in mid summer 1821.
(If you want to see what the configuration looks like in, say, one day
approximately in-between those dates, you can always go see there:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Jul291821.jpg - but this is a sky chart
and doesn't indicate declination or ascension).
Now, what does the quatrain says?
First of all, it is about great changes to occur in France and Italy. We
know that 1821 was a major year for Italy as napoleon died on that year,
it occurred on May 5th, but the French learned about it months later,
during the summer of 1821. This death was received with great emotion,
and was underlined with a particular fashion by great writers such as
Stendhal, Hugo and Byron.
As for the third line, it predicts the occurrence of another conqueror
100 years later. In that order of thought, one can recall that it was
July 29, 1921 that Hitler was to become president of the german
socialist democrat party, and it was the springboard that was to launch
him later at the head of the leadership of the nation.
J.
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09 Oct 2004 06:16:04 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Af08d.11394$N%.3406@edtnps84>...
Jean Guernon a écrit:
SNIP
I posted a reply to this but it seems lost in the ether, so I will try
again.
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
151. The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn, Eternal God, what changes
Then the bad times will return again after a long century; what
turmoil in France and Italy.
151 LI. Chef d'Aries, Jupiter, et Saturne, Dieu étérnel quelles
mutations, Puis par long siecle son maling temps retourne Gaule et
Italie, quelles emotions.
Your site has this:
1,51 : Napoleon Bonaparte's death (1821) and the prediction of the
emergence of another future conqueror Adolph Hitler (1921)
Well for starters a difference in time sequence, how do you get Hitler
a century later?
LB
BTW this is the link to the quatrain.
http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q51.htm
Might be hard (seems to be for you in this case anyway) to figure out
the third line without it.
Well, first of all, this quatrain is about Jupiter and Saturn at the
head of Aries (which is defined according to the sky charts used at the
time as between 1:45 hour and 2:05 hour in straight up ascension, and as
between 5 and 23 degrees in declination).
Yes But Wollner and McCann were astro boys who worked out these
Supposed Conjunctions have a different time scale to your own?
I still hold it is a metaphor.
BTW, I wrote "in the charts at the time" because it was already known,
but it is still valid, in fact you have to look (well, figure out
astronomically) at the head of the aries in the constellation to know
exactly when a planet is in the vicinity in relation with earth.
Surprisingly very rare given that those are heavy planets.
But I don't know where your friend finds his own take, unless he thinks
it is somewhere around the first degrees?
But let's be modest, I must admit that it took me a while myself to
figure this out.
J.
It was to occur only in around 1821, between July 1st and September 1st
of 1821. Well, there were some very scarce reoccurrence in March 1822
and in April 1881, but none as spectacular as this 1821 one. And the
next time it will re-occur is in the future, will be only in 2559.
Anyway, this gives us 2 whole months in mid summer 1821.
(If you want to see what the configuration looks like in, say, one day
approximately in-between those dates, you can always go see there:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Jul291821.jpg - but this is a sky chart
and doesn't indicate declination or ascension).
Now, what does the quatrain says?
First of all, it is about great changes to occur in France and Italy. We
know that 1821 was a major year for Italy as napoleon died on that year,
it occurred on May 5th, but the French learned about it months later,
during the summer of 1821. This death was received with great emotion,
and was underlined with a particular fashion by great writers such as
Stendhal, Hugo and Byron.
As for the third line, it predicts the occurrence of another conqueror
100 years later. In that order of thought, one can recall that it was
July 29, 1921 that Hitler was to become president of the german
socialist democrat party, and it was the springboard that was to launch
him later at the head of the leadership of the nation.
J.
Probably a future Quaatrain after all it is Rome and Paris, that are
going to face the most severe changes, just by their geography.
Also how do you reconcile the Papacy given that there are only 2 or 3
popes left 2 with a seven month reign?
LB
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09 Oct 2004 09:10:52 PM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Af08d.11394$N%.3406@edtnps84>...
Jean Guernon a écrit:
SNIP
I posted a reply to this but it seems lost in the ether, so I will try
again.
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
151. The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn, Eternal God, what changes
Then the bad times will return again after a long century; what
turmoil in France and Italy.
151 LI. Chef d'Aries, Jupiter, et Saturne, Dieu étérnel quelles
mutations, Puis par long siecle son maling temps retourne Gaule et
Italie, quelles emotions.
Your site has this:
1,51 : Napoleon Bonaparte's death (1821) and the prediction of the
emergence of another future conqueror Adolph Hitler (1921)
Well for starters a difference in time sequence, how do you get Hitler
a century later?
LB
BTW this is the link to the quatrain.
http://www.propheties.it/no/prima%20centuria/c1q51.htm
Might be hard (seems to be for you in this case anyway) to figure out
the third line without it.
Well, first of all, this quatrain is about Jupiter and Saturn at the
head of Aries (which is defined according to the sky charts used at the
time as between 1:45 hour and 2:05 hour in straight up ascension, and as
between 5 and 23 degrees in declination).
Yes But Wollner and McCann were astro boys who worked out these
Supposed Conjunctions have a different time scale to your own?
I still hold it is a metaphor.
BTW, I wrote "in the charts at the time" because it was already known,
but it is still valid, in fact you have to look (well, figure out
astronomically) at the head of the aries in the constellation to know
exactly when a planet is in the vicinity in relation with earth.
Surprisingly very rare given that those are heavy planets.
But I don't know where your friend finds his own take, unless he thinks
it is somewhere around the first degrees?
But let's be modest, I must admit that it took me a while myself to
figure this out.
J.
It was to occur only in around 1821, between July 1st and September 1st
of 1821. Well, there were some very scarce reoccurrence in March 1822
and in April 1881, but none as spectacular as this 1821 one. And the
next time it will re-occur is in the future, will be only in 2559.
Anyway, this gives us 2 whole months in mid summer 1821.
(If you want to see what the configuration looks like in, say, one day
approximately in-between those dates, you can always go see there:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Jul291821.jpg - but this is a sky chart
and doesn't indicate declination or ascension).
Now, what does the quatrain says?
First of all, it is about great changes to occur in France and Italy. We
know that 1821 was a major year for Italy as napoleon died on that year,
it occurred on May 5th, but the French learned about it months later,
during the summer of 1821. This death was received with great emotion,
and was underlined with a particular fashion by great writers such as
Stendhal, Hugo and Byron.
As for the third line, it predicts the occurrence of another conqueror
100 years later. In that order of thought, one can recall that it was
July 29, 1921 that Hitler was to become president of the german
socialist democrat party, and it was the springboard that was to launch
him later at the head of the leadership of the nation.
J.
Probably a future Quaatrain after all it is Rome and Paris, that are
going to face the most severe changes, just by their geography.
2559 would lead to 2759 and falls within the thousand years of peace.
2559 will either be during the last realm about to end of the last AC,
it will be hell on earth, and as you may remember it would be leading to
the end of humanity would God not intervene and throw the evil entity in
the lake of fire, or else it will be afterwards, and there will be this
"new Jerusalem". Either way, 2759 will definitely be within this
millennium of peace period, and there won't be a conqueror reeking havoc
by then. So I tend to believe it is what I told you.
Also how do you reconcile the Papacy given that there are only 2 or 3
popes left 2 with a seven month reign?
LB
Well, the papacy will certainly go through a hard time during next WW.
But it is when the ACs will appear that it will undergo profound
adversity. Yet, the second AC will not succeed to destroy the Church.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#page10
section 94: The great power of this AC character, and the actions
undertaken by him against the Vatican.
-> http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM94 <-
section 98: The times of this Antichrist foreseen for the end of the
seventh millennium (near the year 2908 of the common era).
-> http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM98 <-
(I have to rewrite that part on the website. Maybe figure it out. We
know the great conflagration will be 900 years later as he specify in
the following alinea. And theoretically there is a 1000 years of peace
before it...)
But either way, it appears that the Vatican will be around then, and so,
lots more popes to come.
J.
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10 Oct 2004 05:45:56 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<MS0ad.2349$Ia5.1399@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Af08d.11394$N%.3406@edtnps84>...
Jean Guernon a écrit:
SNIP
J.
Probably a future Quaatrain after all it is Rome and Paris, that are
going to face the most severe changes, just by their geography.
2559 would lead to 2759 and falls within the thousand years of peace.
2559 will either be during the last realm about to end of the last AC,
it will be hell on earth, and as you may remember it would be leading to
the end of humanity would God not intervene and throw the evil entity in
the lake of fire, or else it will be afterwards, and there will be this
"new Jerusalem". Either way, 2759 will definitely be within this
millennium of peace period, and there won't be a conqueror reeking havoc
by then. So I tend to believe it is what I told you.
Given there are only 1200 verses there must be no humans around for a
long time to be without war!
Also how do you reconcile the Papacy given that there are only 2 or 3
popes left 2 with a seven month reign?
LB
Well, the papacy will certainly go through a hard time during next WW.
But it is when the ACs will appear that it will undergo profound
adversity. Yet, the second AC will not succeed to destroy the Church.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#page10
section 94: The great power of this AC character, and the actions
undertaken by him against the Vatican.
-> http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM94 <-
section 98: The times of this Antichrist foreseen for the end of the
seventh millennium (near the year 2908 of the common era).
-> http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM98 <-
Just do not understand how you arrive at that time period.
(I have to rewrite that part on the website. Maybe figure it out. We
know the great conflagration will be 900 years later as he specify in
the following alinea. And theoretically there is a 1000 years of peace
before it...)
But either way, it appears that the Vatican will be around then, and so,
lots more popes to come.
J.
I get only 3 more kaput for RC and christianity before 2040.
LB
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10 Oct 2004 10:36:00 PM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<MS0ad.2349$Ia5.1399@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Af08d.11394$N%.3406@edtnps84>...
Jean Guernon a écrit:
SNIP
J.
Probably a future Quaatrain after all it is Rome and Paris, that are
going to face the most severe changes, just by their geography.
2559 would lead to 2759 and falls within the thousand years of peace.
2559 will either be during the last realm about to end of the last AC,
it will be hell on earth, and as you may remember it would be leading to
the end of humanity would God not intervene and throw the evil entity in
the lake of fire, or else it will be afterwards, and there will be this
"new Jerusalem". Either way, 2759 will definitely be within this
millennium of peace period, and there won't be a conqueror reeking havoc
by then. So I tend to believe it is what I told you.
Given there are only 1200 verses there must be no humans around for a
long time to be without war!
Bah evil as at the root of them. The one thousand years of peace will
happen when evil will be in hell where ti belongs (in the lake of fire).
Of course we know what evil is, but can't define it as such by
ourselves, hence why it will take the higher force and why it is hard
even for you to believe what Nostradamus said about what will happen for
that long. I can't explain what will happen myself. But the rest is
possible to rationalize.
J.
Also how do you reconcile the Papacy given that there are only 2 or 3
popes left 2 with a seven month reign?
LB
Well, the papacy will certainly go through a hard time during next WW.
But it is when the ACs will appear that it will undergo profound
adversity. Yet, the second AC will not succeed to destroy the Church.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#page10
section 94: The great power of this AC character, and the actions
undertaken by him against the Vatican.
-> http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM94 <-
section 98: The times of this Antichrist foreseen for the end of the
seventh millennium (near the year 2908 of the common era).
-> http://www.michelnostradamus.org/henri2.html#BM98 <-
Just do not understand how you arrive at that time period.
(I have to rewrite that part on the website. Maybe figure it out. We
know the great conflagration will be 900 years later as he specify in
the following alinea. And theoretically there is a 1000 years of peace
before it...)
But either way, it appears that the Vatican will be around then, and so,
lots more popes to come.
J.
I get only 3 more kaput for RC and christianity before 2040.
LB
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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11 Oct 2004 07:17:28 AM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Acnad.4937$Ia5.2644@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<MS0ad.2349$Ia5.1399@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Af08d.11394$N%.3406@edtnps84>...
Jean Guernon a écrit:
SNIP
J.
Probably a future Quaatrain after all it is Rome and Paris, that are
going to face the most severe changes, just by their geography.
2559 would lead to 2759 and falls within the thousand years of peace.
2559 will either be during the last realm about to end of the last AC,
it will be hell on earth, and as you may remember it would be leading to
the end of humanity would God not intervene and throw the evil entity in
the lake of fire, or else it will be afterwards, and there will be this
"new Jerusalem". Either way, 2759 will definitely be within this
millennium of peace period, and there won't be a conqueror reeking havoc
by then. So I tend to believe it is what I told you.
Given there are only 1200 verses there must be no humans around for a
long time to be without war!
Bah evil as at the root of them. The one thousand years of peace will
happen when evil will be in hell where ti belongs (in the lake of fire).
Of course we know what evil is, but can't define it as such by
ourselves, hence why it will take the higher force and why it is hard
even for you to believe what Nostradamus said about what will happen for
that long. I can't explain what will happen myself. But the rest is
possible to rationalize.
J.
For 1000 years of peace to come about, firstly there would have to be
some very hard lessons learned, like a really stuffed planet, and very
few humans left, before humanity can wake up.
LB
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11 Oct 2004 11:22:34 AM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Acnad.4937$Ia5.2644@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<MS0ad.2349$Ia5.1399@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Af08d.11394$N%.3406@edtnps84>...
Jean Guernon a écrit:
SNIP
J.
Probably a future Quaatrain after all it is Rome and Paris, that are
going to face the most severe changes, just by their geography.
2559 would lead to 2759 and falls within the thousand years of peace.
2559 will either be during the last realm about to end of the last AC,
it will be hell on earth, and as you may remember it would be leading to
the end of humanity would God not intervene and throw the evil entity in
the lake of fire, or else it will be afterwards, and there will be this
"new Jerusalem". Either way, 2759 will definitely be within this
millennium of peace period, and there won't be a conqueror reeking havoc
by then. So I tend to believe it is what I told you.
Given there are only 1200 verses there must be no humans around for a
long time to be without war!
Bah evil as at the root of them. The one thousand years of peace will
happen when evil will be in hell where ti belongs (in the lake of fire).
Of course we know what evil is, but can't define it as such by
ourselves, hence why it will take the higher force and why it is hard
even for you to believe what Nostradamus said about what will happen for
that long. I can't explain what will happen myself. But the rest is
possible to rationalize.
J.
For 1000 years of peace to come about, firstly there would have to be
some very hard lessons learned, like a really stuffed planet, and very
few humans left, before humanity can wake up.
Well, it appears that something else will be required: God intervention
in fact, for this war making hate mongering by haters of Christians to
stop.
Evil will be wiped out of the planet, and I doubt it means that most of
the humans who don't espouse the faith in Christ will be thrown in the
lake of fire, it is something else. I can't explain it but it is a
spiritual war between God and the devil and after that people won't be
seduced by lies. I think the epidemics, etc. (which will be caused by
this "evil", and not the other way around), won't be at the same moment.
J.
LB
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13 Oct 2004 11:34:36 AM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<DUUad.35953$663.26377@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<eryad.17162$663.8573@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Acnad.4937$Ia5.2644@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
SNIP
For 1000 years of peace to come about, firstly there would have to be
some very hard lessons learned, like a really stuffed planet, and very
few humans left, before humanity can wake up.
Well, it appears that something else will be required: God intervention
in fact, for this war making hate mongering by haters of Christians to
stop.
What makes you think Non christians are the war mongers?
Non-Christians? I am speaking about anti Christians. Not all
non-Christians are anti-Christians.
Well good point,
The anti-Christ(s) armies will
attack Christians and Muslims alike.
Not quite after the West and Islam have beaten themselves to a pulp,
well anyone can walk in and takeover.
True, but it will take quite a while as the earth will be pacified for a
"long time" after next WW.
But again they surely come under the label nonbelievers, but we don't
know yet under what kind of regime it will be. This will be long after
the next WW.
That last chapter in the Biblical book?
Nah, before that, there is a quatrain (6,24) that speaks of this
calamitous war in 2026 and that there will be someone who will be
anointed king and who will pacify the earth for a long time. The letter
to Henri II briefly speaks of ww3 and speak of the first AC that comes
later. And the signs that will occur. We know it will be quite a while
after WW3 because of 6,24.
Evil will be wiped out of the planet, and I doubt it means that most of
the humans who don't espouse the faith in Christ will be thrown in the
lake of fire, it is something else. I can't explain it but it is a
spiritual war between God and the devil and after that people won't be
seduced by lies. I think the epidemics, etc. (which will be caused by
this "evil", and not the other way around), won't be at the same moment.
J.
That is the orthodoxy but we'll have to endure the ***** heads with
weapons of all persuasions.
?
Er look at who proposed such a tale and how it came to be, a rather
interesting tale one would not put such faith is such if you see how
they explain such stuff talk about 2D monochrome.
LB
The book of Revelation? Still, it is the one who saw the future who told
us how it was going to be in 4D. And albeit this (God versus Satan) is
the part hard to figure out, the rest isn't.
J.
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14 Oct 2004 06:12:21 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<wOcbd.36977$663.26071@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<DUUad.35953$663.26377@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<eryad.17162$663.8573@edtnps84>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Acnad.4937$Ia5.2644@edtnps89>...
Leigh_Bee a écrit:
SNIP
Not quite after the West and Islam have beaten themselves to a pulp,
well anyone can walk in and takeover.
True, but it will take quite a while as the earth will be pacified for a
"long time" after next WW.
But again they surely come under the label nonbelievers, but we don't
know yet under what kind of regime it will be. This will be long after
the next WW.
That last chapter in the Biblical book?
Nah, before that, there is a quatrain (6,24) that speaks of this
calamitous war in 2026 and that there will be someone who will be
anointed king and who will pacify the earth for a long time. The letter
to Henri II briefly speaks of ww3 and speak of the first AC that comes
later. And the signs that will occur. We know it will be quite a while
after WW3 because of 6,24.
You seem to be the only person who holds that view, and your
explanation is not convincing to me.
Evil will be wiped out of the planet, and I doubt it means that most of
the humans who don't espouse the faith in Christ will be thrown in the
lake of fire, it is something else. I can't explain it but it is a
spiritual war between God and the devil and after that people won't be
seduced by lies. I think the epidemics, etc. (which will be caused by
this "evil", and not the other way around), won't be at the same moment.
J.
That is the orthodoxy but we'll have to endure the ***** heads with
weapons of all persuasions.
?
Er look at who proposed such a tale and how it came to be, a rather
interesting tale one would not put such faith is such if you see how
they explain such stuff talk about 2D monochrome.
LB
The book of Revelation? Still, it is the one who saw the future who told
us how it was going to be in 4D. And albeit this (God versus Satan) is
the part hard to figure out, the rest isn't.
J.
Yes but for 2000 years it has been used to manipulate folk to do, and
behave in certain rather tribal ways, besides I reckon by 2007, the
missiles and bio/chems will be around, but some things have yet to
evolve,
Then you have to question, how a simplistic bunch of folk concocted
this yarn that seems to proliferate in the MidWest and Southern
places, with them as the central players!
Talk about Gilding the Lily, these folk have double platinummed it,
only with anodised aluminium!
LB
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
SNIP
Not quite after the West and Islam have beaten themselves to a pulp,
well anyone can walk in and takeover.
True, but it will take quite a while as the earth will be pacified for a
"long time" after next WW.
But again they surely come under the label nonbelievers, but we don't
know yet under what kind of regime it will be. This will be long after
the next WW.
That last chapter in the Biblical book?
Nah, before that, there is a quatrain (6,24) that speaks of this
calamitous war in 2026 and that there will be someone who will be
anointed king and who will pacify the earth for a long time. The letter
to Henri II briefly speaks of ww3 and speak of the first AC that comes
later. And the signs that will occur. We know it will be quite a while
after WW3 because of 6,24.
You seem to be the only person who holds that view, and your
explanation is not convincing to me.
Evil will be wiped out of the planet, and I doubt it means that most of
the humans who don't espouse the faith in Christ will be thrown in the
lake of fire, it is something else. I can't explain it but it is a
spiritual war between God and the devil and after that people won't be
seduced by lies. I think the epidemics, etc. (which will be caused by
this "evil", and not the other way around), won't be at the same moment.
J.
That is the orthodoxy but we'll have to endure the ***** heads with
weapons of all persuasions.
?
Er look at who proposed such a tale and how it came to be, a rather
interesting tale one would not put such faith is such if you see how
they explain such stuff talk about 2D monochrome.
LB
The book of Revelation? Still, it is the one who saw the future who told
us how it was going to be in 4D. And albeit this (God versus Satan) is
the part hard to figure out, the rest isn't.
J.
Yes but for 2000 years it has been used to manipulate folk to do, and
behave in certain rather tribal ways, besides I reckon by 2007, the
missiles and bio/chems will be around, but some things have yet to
evolve,
Then you have to question, how a simplistic bunch of folk concocted
this yarn that seems to proliferate in the MidWest and Southern
places, with them as the central players!
Talk about Gilding the Lily, these folk have double platinummed it,
only with anodised aluminium!
LB
LOL Ha well, 100 years ago the Jehovah witnesses were saying the end was
going to happen during their lifetime, and many many other denominations
were convinced of the same. There is really no indication, and the world
is always in a greater turmoil with all the ongoing conflict and
improving technological improvements, it may be hard to figure out if
they compare themselves to the outer world, except now thanks to
Nostradamus, we have a much more clearer timeline and understanding even
if it still needs to be refined with the future.
But these things are understandable even if most of these denominations
have revised their assessments. It is a matter of conviction on their
faith. At least they don't want to kill everybody, nor even anybody, who
doesn't share their beliefs, unlike the Muslims fanatics. But yes, they
have their own unique and exclusive perception of the interpretation of
the bible. Not very open minded to exclude other denominations of
course. But the difference is what they perceive distinguishes them from
the lesser (in their mind) Christians and what makes them choose the one
they are in. Now, I wonder if that number is not really symbolical, as
otherwise it is like having only so many tickets for the Noah's ark
cruise of a lifetime. How can they admit (to themselves) they won't be
on it (if they think they have the right beliefs)?
J.
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| User: "tw" |
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06 Oct 2004 05:04:42 AM |
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What a crock of *****.
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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Thanks. But there is no list of the ones you say do not match?
Care to check with our takes before you come to such a conclusion?
J.
The first step is put some down and get a consensus that these timings
are in accord with the proposed timings.
No point in claiming one thing when it may well be another.
LB
hence why I ask you, which are those that you can't find a correlation,
and why not look at our takes before making such an assertion about
those specifically?
Nostradamus didn't make any mistake.
J.
We know Nostradamus never made a mistake it is the commentators we are
looking at "the Randi fodder" so called!
Ok let us take the first stated conjunction with a time from the list,
see how you explain it and discuss the disparity?
Good.
C1Q51 Jupiter and Saturn in the head of Aries (Wollner, pp. 44-45:
October 19, 1583; December 13, 1702; September 2, 1995)
151. The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn, Eternal God, what changes
Then the bad times will return again after a long century; what
turmoil in France and Italy.
151 LI. Chef d'Aries, Jupiter, et Saturne, Dieu étérnel quelles
mutations, Puis par long siecle son maling temps retourne Gaule et
Italie, quelles emotions.
Your site has this:
1,51 : Napoleon Bonaparte's death (1821) and the prediction of the
emergence of another future conqueror Adolph Hitler (1921)
Well for starters a difference in time sequence, how do you get Hitler
a century later?
LB
Well, first of all, this quatrain is about Jupiter and Saturn at the
head of Aries (which is defined according to the sky charts used at the
time as between 1:45 hour and 2:05 hour in straight up ascension, and as
between 5 and 23 degrees in declination).
It was to occur only in around 1821, between July 1st and September 1st
of 1821. Well, there were some very scarce reoccurrence in March 1822
and in April 1881, but none as spectacular as this 1821 one. And the
next time it will re-occur is in the future, will be only in 2559.
Anyway, this gives us 2 whole months in mid summer 1821.
(If you want to see what the configuration looks like in, say, one day
approximately in-between those dates, you can always go see there:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Jul291821.jpg - but this is a sky chart
and doesn't indicate declination or ascension).
Now, what does the quatrain says?
First of all, it is about great changes to occur in France and Italy. We
know that 1821 was a major year for Italy as napoleon died on that year,
it occurred on May 5th, but the French learned about it months later,
during the summer of 1821. This death was received with great emotion,
and was underlined with a particular fashion by great writers such as
Stendhal, Hugo and Byron.
As for the third line, it predicts the occurrence of another conqueror
100 years later. In that order of thought, one can recall that it was
July 29, 1921 that Hitler was to become president of the german
socialist democrat party, and it was the springboard that was to launch
him later at the head of the leadership of the nation.
J.
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