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Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF TORTURE & ABUSE
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=3D55&p=3D20656&s2=3D15
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse
By Meraiah Foley
ASSOCIATED PRESS
8:53 a.m. February 15, 2006
Reuters
In this image from video, a report by Australia's Special Broadcasting
Service (SBS) alleges the detainee (left) was being held in Iraq's Abu
Ghraib prison in 2003.
SYDNEY, Australia =E2=80=93 An Australian television network aired previous=
ly
unpublished video and photographs Wednesday of what it said was the
abuse of Iraqis in U.S. military custody at Abu Ghraib prison in 2003,
including a man beating his head against a cell door.
The images of naked prisoners, some bloodied and lying on the floor,
were taken about the same time as earlier photos that sparked protests
and outrage in the Middle East in 2004, the Special Broadcasting
Service's =E2=80=9CDateline=E2=80=9D program reported.
SBS refused to give details on the source of the photos and video clips
but said they were among those the American Civil Liberties Union was
trying to obtain from the U.S. government under a Freedom of
Information request.
Several new images broadcast appeared to show former Cpl. Charles
Graner, Jr., who is serving a 10-year prison term at Fort Leavenworth,
Kan., after being convicted of abusing Iraqi captives.
The authenticity of the images shown by SBS could not be independently
confirmed, but they were consistent with the earlier photographs of
abuse by American soldiers, which prompted a U.S. congressional
investigation and military trials for some soldiers involved.
Many of the images were more graphic than those previously published,
including some showing what appear to be corpses of people who SBS said
had died at the prison.
In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he did not know
whether U.S. officials had reviewed the photos and video clips or
whether they were among images the Pentagon has been withholding from
public release since 2004.
=E2=80=9CThe abuses at Abu Ghraib have been fully investigated,=E2=80=9D Wh=
itman
said, adding that it is U.S. policy to treat all detainees humanely.
=E2=80=9CWhen there have been abuses, this department has acted upon them
promptly, investigated them thoroughly and where appropriate prosecuted
individuals.=E2=80=9D
More than 25 people have been held accountable for criminal acts and
=E2=80=9Cother failures=E2=80=9D at Abu Ghraib and it remains the view of t=
he
Pentagon that the release of additional images of abuse at the prison
would be trigger new violence and threaten U.S. troops overseas,
Whitman said.
=E2=80=9CThe department believes that a further release of images could only
further inflame and possibly incite unnecessary violence in the world
and would endanger our military men and women that are serving around
the world,=E2=80=9D Whitman said.
Iraqi officials condemned the images, which aired just days after the
release of video allegedly showing British soldiers beating and kicking
Iraqi males in the southern city of Amarah in 2003.
Labeed Abbawi, an adviser to Iraq's foreign minister, criticized such
abuses but questioned the benefit of airing footage of events for which
American soldiers had already been punished.
=E2=80=9CI feel bringing up these issues is only going to add to heat to an
already fragile situation in Iraq and they don't help anybody at
all,=E2=80=9D Abbawi said.
One of the video clips shown by SBS was of a group of naked men with
bags over their heads standing together and masturbating. The network
said they were forced to participate.
Another video showed a handcuffed man repeatedly pounding his head
against a metal cell door. The same prisoner was shown in other
pictures, including one in which he is smeared in his own feces and
another in which he dangles naked from the top bunk of a bed. SBS said
the man was mentally ill and became a =E2=80=9Cplaything=E2=80=9D for the g=
uards
who =E2=80=9Cexperimented with ways to restrain him.=E2=80=9D
One photograph showed a man with a deep cut on his neck. The same man
appears in another photo surrounded by men dressed in khaki shirts and
pants, with one of the men pointing at the wound.
The SBS report said the man was identified in a U.S. Army report as
detainee No. 10. He was thought to be an Iraqi general who had been
resisting transfer from an outside prison camp into Abu Ghraib's inner
cell blocks when soldiers pushed him against a wall, then noticed blood
coming from under his hood, the network said.
A 1=C2=BD-inch cut on the man's neck was then sutured by an army medic, SBS
said, quoting an unspecified army report.
Another photo showed a man lying dead in the dirt with blood coming out
of his head.
The SBS also showed photographs of a bloodied cell block and a dead
body, saying the man had been killed during a CIA interrogation.
Another showed a dead prisoner identified only by the number 153399 who
it said was killed during a riot at the prison. SBS said it spoke to
two soldiers at Abu Ghraib who told the network that guards trying to
contain the rioting ran out of rubber bullets and =E2=80=9Cwere ordered to
use lethal rounds.=E2=80=9D
=E2=80=9CThe detainees were fenced in a camp compound, with nowhere to run =
or
hide,=E2=80=9D the report said.
Uniformed men holding dogs on leashes as they threaten a hooded
prisoner in an orange jumpsuit appear in at least one image as does a
hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires strapped to his finger.
Another shows a man in green camouflage kneeling over a naked prisoner
lying face down on the floor with a pool of blood by his left knee.
The SBS report also showed a photograph of a naked man with about 10
bright red wounds across his buttocks. Quoting an unspecified military
report, the network said the man had been hit by =E2=80=9CMP personnel with
shotgun, using less than lethal rounds.=E2=80=9D SBS said the circumstances
surrounding the incident were not known.
Two women who the network said were prostitutes detained at the prison
for 48 hours also appear in photographs, with one of them baring her
breasts.
The Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera aired brief excerpts of the
Australian footage, which was broadcast as outrage spreads in the
Muslim world over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have been
deemed offensive to Islam and published in newspapers in Denmark and
elsewhere.
The SBS broadcast said many of the new photos showed Graner having sex
with Lynndie England, a 22-year-old reservist from Fort Ashby, W. Va.,
but those were not shown. England is serving a three-year prison term
for abusing detainees and has said Graner fathered her son.
A U.S. district court in September upheld the request in a ruling
covering scores of photographs and several videotapes. Government
lawyers said it was considering an appeal, and the images were not
immediately released.
In a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press, SBS said the ACLU had
not seen the images sought under the Freedom of Information request, so
it had not been able to confirm whether they were the same as those
broadcast Wednesday.
But the general description of the photographs the ACLU is seeking
=E2=80=9Cis consistent with the photographs we are releasing,=E2=80=9D the =
SBS
statement said.
=E2=80=9C'Dateline' is confident in the credibility of the source of these
new photographs and videos,=E2=80=9D the SBS statement said. =E2=80=9CThey =
are
entirely consistent with descriptions of the unreleased photographs and
videos from various U.S. army reports into the abuses.=E2=80=9D
At a Senate Armed Services Committee inquiry in May 2004, Defense
Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld testified that not all known photographs
of the abuses at Abu Ghraib had been released publicly.
=E2=80=9CBeyond abuse of prisoners, there are other photos that depict
incidents of physical violence toward prisoners, acts that can only be
described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman,=E2=80=9D Rumsfeld said =
at
the time.
Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20060215-0853-australia-iraq-=
prisonabuse.html
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| User: "piano wire" |
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15 Feb 2006 09:54:17 PM |
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The Last 2499 DaysT ? wrote:
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF TORTURE & ABUSE
How do I know this is not just "casualties of war"
American detainees?
Let's see proof of anyone being detained...
freedom of press...can be a powerful tool for shaping the minds of the
public
If I show an American soldier pointing to a wound on a prisoner...
all I would have to do is say... "the soldier did this, and now he's
bragging"
it would not have to be true in order to enrage the viewer
All Im saying is prove all things.
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| User: "^Temuchin^" |
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| Title: Re: Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
15 Feb 2006 09:23:05 PM |
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The Last 2499 Days™ ♥ wrote:
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF TORTURE & ABUSE
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15
It is so sad to see these pictures, And here I was thinking we waged war
on Iraq to remove Saddam and save the people of Iraq from this type of
abuse.
Even if these people are suspects in torture and abuse does this warrant
the US and Britain doing it back??
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| User: "Father Fred" |
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16 Feb 2006 06:15:22 AM |
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"^Temuchin^" <freebeer@temuchins.come.now> wrote in message
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The Last 2499 DaysT ? wrote:
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF TORTURE & ABUSE
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15
It is so sad to see these pictures, And here I was thinking we waged war
on Iraq to remove Saddam and save the people of Iraq from this type of
abuse.
Nooo, they wanted to save them from having their eyeballs gouged out with
rusty spoons, their genitals crushed, red hot spikes driven up into their
anuses, their children torn apart in giant meat grinders....
Being naked does not quite - I dunno why - measure up to that, or to the
torture which is routinely performed on prisoners in every Arab country
daily.
BTW, I bet the same media which refused to show the cartoons of the prophet
for fear of outraging Muslims will gleefully show these pictures, even
though it will have the same affect.
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| User: "^Temuchin^" |
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16 Feb 2006 04:07:46 PM |
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Father Fred wrote:
"^Temuchin^" <freebeer@temuchins.come.now> wrote in message
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The Last 2499 DaysT ? wrote:
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF TORTURE & ABUSE
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15
It is so sad to see these pictures, And here I was thinking we waged war
on Iraq to remove Saddam and save the people of Iraq from this type of
abuse.
Nooo, they wanted to save them from having their eyeballs gouged out with
rusty spoons, their genitals crushed, red hot spikes driven up into their
anuses, their children torn apart in giant meat grinders....
Being naked does not quite - I dunno why - measure up to that,
So are you saying the pictures of the very white looking men in body
bags didn't mean they were dead from the yank beatings??
or to the
torture which is routinely performed on prisoners in every Arab country
daily.
BTW, I bet the same media which refused to show the cartoons of the prophet
for fear of outraging Muslims will gleefully show these pictures, even
though it will have the same affect.
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| User: "G-Net" |
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16 Feb 2006 06:56:02 AM |
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You are soooo right Father Fred! Why is it that there wasn't much discussion
when Americans were dragged through the streets? What about all of the shear
torture that American prisoners have endured when we have been captured? Why
doesn't the media make as big a deal out of that?
American's have been beaten, tortured, humiliated, abused, and slaughtered at
the hands of other countries yet the media doesn't get excited about THAT.
Frankly those murderous Muslim thugs should be glad that I'm not one of the
guards they had to deal with....
"Father Fred" <FF@google.ca> wrote in message
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"^Temuchin^" <freebeer@temuchins.come.now> wrote in message
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The Last 2499 DaysT ? wrote:
WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF TORTURE & ABUSE
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15
It is so sad to see these pictures, And here I was thinking we waged war on
Iraq to remove Saddam and save the people of Iraq from this type of abuse.
Nooo, they wanted to save them from having their eyeballs gouged out with
rusty spoons, their genitals crushed, red hot spikes driven up into their
anuses, their children torn apart in giant meat grinders....
Being naked does not quite - I dunno why - measure up to that, or to the
torture which is routinely performed on prisoners in every Arab country daily.
BTW, I bet the same media which refused to show the cartoons of the prophet
for fear of outraging Muslims will gleefully show these pictures, even though
it will have the same affect.
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| User: "Jared" |
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16 Feb 2006 04:21:33 PM |
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G-Net wrote:
Frankly those murderous Muslim thugs should be glad that I'm not one of the
guards they had to deal with....
They could look forward to some bright red wounds on their naked
buttocks, eh?
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| User: "Roy Wilke" |
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16 Feb 2006 08:38:06 AM |
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Oh no. This thread's going to see my killfile quintuple in population...
"G-Net" <netnerve@verizon.net> wrote in message
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You are soooo right Father Fred! Why is it that there wasn't much
discussion
when Americans were dragged through the streets?
If I remember correctly, there was a long and detailed discussion at the
time (early May, 2004)
What about all of the shear
torture that American prisoners have endured when we have been captured?
If you're so worried about "we" Americans, then kindly don't cross-post to
Australian and Canadian newsgroups. Canadians might come from the North
American continent, but Australians *definitely* don't.
How many US Prisoners of War have there been in Iraq and Afghanistan since
2002? I believe the total number is fewer than a dozen.
Conversely, how many Afghans and Iraqis have been taken prisoner since 2002?
And what's the percentage -- according to the US military -- of those
prisoners who are known to have done precisely *nothing* to justify their
imprisonment? Something like 90 per cent.
Why
doesn't the media make as big a deal out of that?
Because a dozen or so soldiers -- who were released from captivity in
2003 -- are a gnat's pimple compared to the tens of thousands who have been
disappeared via 'rendition' into the modern Gulag Archipelago.
American's have been beaten, tortured, humiliated, abused, and slaughtered
at
the hands of other countries yet the media doesn't get excited about THAT.
Americans are also beaten, tortured, humiliated and abused within the United
States by other Americans.
Frankly those murderous Muslim thugs should be glad that I'm not one of
the
guards they had to deal with....
Frankly, I doubt if you'd ever get any closer to military service than the
computer keyboard on your desk.
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| User: "Father Fred" |
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16 Feb 2006 03:51:48 PM |
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"Roy Wilke" <royboywilke@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Oh no. This thread's going to see my killfile quintuple in population...
"G-Net" <netnerve@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:CD_If.37359$Eq.30908@trnddc02...
You are soooo right Father Fred! Why is it that there wasn't much
What about all of the shear
torture that American prisoners have endured when we have been captured?
If you're so worried about "we" Americans, then kindly don't cross-post to
Australian and Canadian newsgroups. Canadians might come from the North
American continent, but Australians *definitely* don't.
I think what might be more relevent is the treatement Islamists mete out to
their prisoners, be they American, Russian, Indian, British, Phillipino, or
whatever. That treatment has a distressing tendency to end in death.
How many US Prisoners of War have there been in Iraq and Afghanistan since
2002? I believe the total number is fewer than a dozen.
How many people have the Islamists taken hostage?
Conversely, how many Afghans and Iraqis have been taken prisoner since
2002?
And what's the percentage -- according to the US military -- of those
prisoners who are known to have done precisely *nothing* to justify their
imprisonment? Something like 90 per cent.
It's an imperfect world.
Why
doesn't the media make as big a deal out of that?
Because a dozen or so soldiers -- who were released from captivity in
2003 -- are a gnat's pimple compared to the tens of thousands who have
been
disappeared via 'rendition' into the modern Gulag Archipelago.
How many again? I believe the number is thought to number in the dozens, at
worst. The US prison in Cuba holds only a few hundred prisoners in total.
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| User: "G-Net" |
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16 Feb 2006 12:13:50 PM |
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I apologize Mr. Wilke! You have obviously mistaken me for some who cares what
you think......
"Roy Wilke" <royboywilke@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:43f48e66$0$15789$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Oh no. This thread's going to see my killfile quintuple in population...
"G-Net" <netnerve@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:CD_If.37359$Eq.30908@trnddc02...
You are soooo right Father Fred! Why is it that there wasn't much
discussion
when Americans were dragged through the streets?
If I remember correctly, there was a long and detailed discussion at the
time (early May, 2004)
What about all of the shear
torture that American prisoners have endured when we have been captured?
If you're so worried about "we" Americans, then kindly don't cross-post to
Australian and Canadian newsgroups. Canadians might come from the North
American continent, but Australians *definitely* don't.
How many US Prisoners of War have there been in Iraq and Afghanistan since
2002? I believe the total number is fewer than a dozen.
Conversely, how many Afghans and Iraqis have been taken prisoner since 2002?
And what's the percentage -- according to the US military -- of those
prisoners who are known to have done precisely *nothing* to justify their
imprisonment? Something like 90 per cent.
Why
doesn't the media make as big a deal out of that?
Because a dozen or so soldiers -- who were released from captivity in
2003 -- are a gnat's pimple compared to the tens of thousands who have been
disappeared via 'rendition' into the modern Gulag Archipelago.
American's have been beaten, tortured, humiliated, abused, and slaughtered
at
the hands of other countries yet the media doesn't get excited about THAT.
Americans are also beaten, tortured, humiliated and abused within the United
States by other Americans.
Frankly those murderous Muslim thugs should be glad that I'm not one of
the
guards they had to deal with....
Frankly, I doubt if you'd ever get any closer to military service than the
computer keyboard on your desk.
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| User: "imorf" |
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16 Feb 2006 05:33:25 PM |
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Roy Wilke wrote:
If you're so worried about "we" Americans, then kindly don't cross-post to
Australian and Canadian newsgroups. Canadians might come from the North
American continent, but Australians *definitely* don't.
and what's with the alt.prophecies.nostradamus cross post?
Can some nutjob post the relevant translated quatrains for this topic
please....
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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06 Nov 2006 12:53:17 PM |
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Well you just increased the population in my kill-file...
"Roy Wilke" <royboywilke@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:43f48e66$0$15789$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Oh no. This thread's going to see my killfile quintuple in population...
"G-Net" <netnerve@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:CD_If.37359$Eq.30908@trnddc02...
You are soooo right Father Fred! Why is it that there wasn't much
discussion
when Americans were dragged through the streets?
If I remember correctly, there was a long and detailed discussion at the
time (early May, 2004)
What about all of the shear
torture that American prisoners have endured when we have been captured?
If you're so worried about "we" Americans, then kindly don't cross-post to
Australian and Canadian newsgroups. Canadians might come from the North
American continent, but Australians *definitely* don't.
How many US Prisoners of War have there been in Iraq and Afghanistan since
2002? I believe the total number is fewer than a dozen.
Conversely, how many Afghans and Iraqis have been taken prisoner since
2002?
And what's the percentage -- according to the US military -- of those
prisoners who are known to have done precisely *nothing* to justify their
imprisonment? Something like 90 per cent.
Why
doesn't the media make as big a deal out of that?
Because a dozen or so soldiers -- who were released from captivity in
2003 -- are a gnat's pimple compared to the tens of thousands who have
been
disappeared via 'rendition' into the modern Gulag Archipelago.
American's have been beaten, tortured, humiliated, abused, and
slaughtered
at
the hands of other countries yet the media doesn't get excited about
THAT.
Americans are also beaten, tortured, humiliated and abused within the
United
States by other Americans.
Frankly those murderous Muslim thugs should be glad that I'm not one of
the
guards they had to deal with....
Frankly, I doubt if you'd ever get any closer to military service than the
computer keyboard on your desk.
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| User: "piano wire" |
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15 Feb 2006 10:21:36 PM |
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what i mean to say is...
this is un-settling
do you think maybe they was trying to extract information from any of these
men?
what do we think war is? Fair? lol
no...as I say..I can only imagine it can be a snake pit
kill or be killed.
The freedom I enjoy today came by way of blood!
Yes it did.
What is the real story behind these photos, or any videos?
I don't know. Who knows!
I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear!
--
piano wire
"If Monkey's were smart enough to start their own country do you think they
would call it a Banana Republic?" ~ Peter Prins
"The Last 2499 DaysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse
By Meraiah Foley
ASSOCIATED PRESS
8:53 a.m. February 15, 2006
Reuters
In this image from video, a report by Australia's Special Broadcasting
Service (SBS) alleges the detainee (left) was being held in Iraq's Abu
Ghraib prison in 2003.
SYDNEY, Australia - An Australian television network aired previously
unpublished video and photographs Wednesday of what it said was the
abuse of Iraqis in U.S. military custody at Abu Ghraib prison in 2003,
including a man beating his head against a cell door.
The images of naked prisoners, some bloodied and lying on the floor,
were taken about the same time as earlier photos that sparked protests
and outrage in the Middle East in 2004, the Special Broadcasting
Service's "Dateline" program reported.
SBS refused to give details on the source of the photos and video clips
but said they were among those the American Civil Liberties Union was
trying to obtain from the U.S. government under a Freedom of
Information request.
Several new images broadcast appeared to show former Cpl. Charles
Graner, Jr., who is serving a 10-year prison term at Fort Leavenworth,
Kan., after being convicted of abusing Iraqi captives.
The authenticity of the images shown by SBS could not be independently
confirmed, but they were consistent with the earlier photographs of
abuse by American soldiers, which prompted a U.S. congressional
investigation and military trials for some soldiers involved.
Many of the images were more graphic than those previously published,
including some showing what appear to be corpses of people who SBS said
had died at the prison.
In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he did not know
whether U.S. officials had reviewed the photos and video clips or
whether they were among images the Pentagon has been withholding from
public release since 2004.
"The abuses at Abu Ghraib have been fully investigated," Whitman
said, adding that it is U.S. policy to treat all detainees humanely.
"When there have been abuses, this department has acted upon them
promptly, investigated them thoroughly and where appropriate prosecuted
individuals."
More than 25 people have been held accountable for criminal acts and
"other failures" at Abu Ghraib and it remains the view of the
Pentagon that the release of additional images of abuse at the prison
would be trigger new violence and threaten U.S. troops overseas,
Whitman said.
"The department believes that a further release of images could only
further inflame and possibly incite unnecessary violence in the world
and would endanger our military men and women that are serving around
the world," Whitman said.
Iraqi officials condemned the images, which aired just days after the
release of video allegedly showing British soldiers beating and kicking
Iraqi males in the southern city of Amarah in 2003.
Labeed Abbawi, an adviser to Iraq's foreign minister, criticized such
abuses but questioned the benefit of airing footage of events for which
American soldiers had already been punished.
"I feel bringing up these issues is only going to add to heat to an
already fragile situation in Iraq and they don't help anybody at
all," Abbawi said.
One of the video clips shown by SBS was of a group of naked men with
bags over their heads standing together and masturbating. The network
said they were forced to participate.
Another video showed a handcuffed man repeatedly pounding his head
against a metal cell door. The same prisoner was shown in other
pictures, including one in which he is smeared in his own feces and
another in which he dangles naked from the top bunk of a bed. SBS said
the man was mentally ill and became a "plaything" for the guards
who "experimented with ways to restrain him."
One photograph showed a man with a deep cut on his neck. The same man
appears in another photo surrounded by men dressed in khaki shirts and
pants, with one of the men pointing at the wound.
The SBS report said the man was identified in a U.S. Army report as
detainee No. 10. He was thought to be an Iraqi general who had been
resisting transfer from an outside prison camp into Abu Ghraib's inner
cell blocks when soldiers pushed him against a wall, then noticed blood
coming from under his hood, the network said.
A 1½-inch cut on the man's neck was then sutured by an army medic, SBS
said, quoting an unspecified army report.
Another photo showed a man lying dead in the dirt with blood coming out
of his head.
The SBS also showed photographs of a bloodied cell block and a dead
body, saying the man had been killed during a CIA interrogation.
Another showed a dead prisoner identified only by the number 153399 who
it said was killed during a riot at the prison. SBS said it spoke to
two soldiers at Abu Ghraib who told the network that guards trying to
contain the rioting ran out of rubber bullets and "were ordered to
use lethal rounds."
"The detainees were fenced in a camp compound, with nowhere to run or
hide," the report said.
Uniformed men holding dogs on leashes as they threaten a hooded
prisoner in an orange jumpsuit appear in at least one image as does a
hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires strapped to his finger.
Another shows a man in green camouflage kneeling over a naked prisoner
lying face down on the floor with a pool of blood by his left knee.
The SBS report also showed a photograph of a naked man with about 10
bright red wounds across his buttocks. Quoting an unspecified military
report, the network said the man had been hit by "MP personnel with
shotgun, using less than lethal rounds." SBS said the circumstances
surrounding the incident were not known.
Two women who the network said were prostitutes detained at the prison
for 48 hours also appear in photographs, with one of them baring her
breasts.
The Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera aired brief excerpts of the
Australian footage, which was broadcast as outrage spreads in the
Muslim world over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have been
deemed offensive to Islam and published in newspapers in Denmark and
elsewhere.
The SBS broadcast said many of the new photos showed Graner having sex
with Lynndie England, a 22-year-old reservist from Fort Ashby, W. Va.,
but those were not shown. England is serving a three-year prison term
for abusing detainees and has said Graner fathered her son.
A U.S. district court in September upheld the request in a ruling
covering scores of photographs and several videotapes. Government
lawyers said it was considering an appeal, and the images were not
immediately released.
In a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press, SBS said the ACLU had
not seen the images sought under the Freedom of Information request, so
it had not been able to confirm whether they were the same as those
broadcast Wednesday.
But the general description of the photographs the ACLU is seeking
"is consistent with the photographs we are releasing," the SBS
statement said.
"'Dateline' is confident in the credibility of the source of these
new photographs and videos," the SBS statement said. "They are
entirely consistent with descriptions of the unreleased photographs and
videos from various U.S. army reports into the abuses."
At a Senate Armed Services Committee inquiry in May 2004, Defense
Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld testified that not all known photographs
of the abuses at Abu Ghraib had been released publicly.
"Beyond abuse of prisoners, there are other photos that depict
incidents of physical violence toward prisoners, acts that can only be
described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman," Rumsfeld said at
the time.
Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20060215-0853-australia-iraq-p
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"piano wire" <roadtonowhere@deadend.com> wrote in message
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what i mean to say is...
this is un-settling
do you think maybe they was trying to extract information from any of
these
men?
No. This ground has been gone over quite comprehensively two years ago. The
photographed incidents were *not* of interrogations in progress.
what do we think war is? Fair? lol
A prison camp is not a battlefield.
no...as I say..I can only imagine it can be a snake pit
kill or be killed.
The soldiers responsible weren't combat troops. They were part-time Military
Police. A battlefield - where you're up against armed and trained soldiers -
may indeed be a place where it's "kill or be killed": but a prison is not a
battlefield, and the prisoners aren't armed with Kalishnikovs or missiles
and aren't backed by artillery.
The freedom I enjoy today came by way of blood!
Which is no excuse to continue the bloodletting.
Yes it did.
Which country are you from? The freedom I enjoy in Australia came by way of
a series of conferences, conventions and referenda that led to the
amalgamation of six colonies to form "one indissoluable Commonwealth." It
didn't come by way of blood.
What is the real story behind these photos, or any videos?
I don't know. Who knows!
The photos come from the same group that initiated the 2004 Abu Ghraib
courts martial. The background story to those photos and videos has been
widely promulgated.
I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear!
A good philosophy.
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Roy Wilke wrote:
Which country are you from? The freedom I enjoy in Australia came by way of
a series of conferences, conventions and referenda that led to the
amalgamation of six colonies to form "one indissoluable Commonwealth." It
didn't come by way of blood.
well you are fortunate
Ask the Iraqi's how they are free today, they will say the same things
Americans do
freedom came with a price tag on it.
A brutal dictator was brought down, he had it coming
it was ingenius to do it surgically. HOWEVER it is an absolute travesty
that anyone has lost their lives.
There is no gladness in my heart over the death of the wicked.
This globe is littered with battles fought over freedom, much blood
shed to keep what each one has got. To keep thugs and bullies out.
As I say, hope this never comes to Austraila's front door.
Maybe your land is not a desireable land, as in rich in natural
resources.
It may be, but maybe it is not?
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"Rescue" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Roy Wilke wrote:
Which country are you from? The freedom I enjoy in Australia came by way
of
a series of conferences, conventions and referenda that led to the
amalgamation of six colonies to form "one indissoluable Commonwealth."
It
didn't come by way of blood.
well you are fortunate
Ask the Iraqi's how they are free today, they will say the same things
Americans do
freedom came with a price tag on it.
Don't presume to tell me or anyone else what the Iraqis will say. Mind you,
from listening to the news reports and from reading various Iraqi blogs, I'd
say that there's a good many Iraqis who'd disagree with your assumption.
Take a squiz at the "Baghdad Burning" blog, written by a 28-year-old female
IT professional who -- thanks to the 2003 war -- is now unemployable because
she belongs to the wrong sex (http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/).
Then come back and tell us what the Iraqis think about how "freedom" comes
with a price-tag on it.
A brutal dictator was brought down, he had it coming
That "brutal dictator" and his party had been backed by the US from 1963
through to 1990. Indeed, the CIA helped them to overthrow King Faisal II in
1958 and then helped Hussein and his cronies to overthrow Prime Minister
Qasim in the 1963 coup.
(http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20030410-070214-6557r)
And remember, it was the US that sold President Hussein the mustard gas,
sarin, tabun and VX as well as the hydrogen cyanide that were in the shells
that he lobbed onto Halabja in March 1988
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A
52241-2002Dec29¬Found=true)
it was ingenius to do it surgically. HOWEVER it is an absolute travesty
that anyone has lost their lives.
Surgically? Since when has the lobbing of napalm, phosphor, DU-tipped shells
and cluster-bombs on heavily-populated cities been "surgical"?
There is no gladness in my heart over the death of the wicked.
Nice to know you've got a heart. I hope you don't mean, however, that your
heart is gladdened by the deaths of the good?
This globe is littered with battles fought over freedom, much blood
shed to keep what each one has got. To keep thugs and bullies out.
As I say, hope this never comes to Austraila's front door.
Where, exactly, is "Austraila"?
*Australia*, however, has had various battles fought on and over its
territory since the late 1700s. Have you ever heard of a relatively obscure
conflict that took place about 60 years ago? The Russians called it "The
Great Patriotic War", although to the rest of the world it went under the
name of "World War Two".
Maybe your land is not a desireable land, as in rich in natural
resources.
"Our land abounds with nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare"
The country has substantial mineral deposits beneath its soil.
Seriously, Australia's continental size, lack of land borders and
substantial deserts makes it very easy to defend and almost impossible to
invade successfully. For an invading force to even get to the Australian
coast will stretch their supply lines to breaking-point, and the desert
expanses mean that the country has a natural "scorched earth" policy. Until
2003, it was thought that only the United States had the capacity to
successfully invade Australia. The US invasion and troubled occupation of
Iraq since 2003, however, reveals that even the United States have not got
the capacity to annexe Australia militarily.
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22 Feb 2006 08:23:42 PM |
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Roy Wilke wrote:
Don't presume to tell me or anyone else what the Iraqis will say. Mind you,
from listening to the news reports and from reading various Iraqi blogs, I'd
say that there's a good many Iraqis who'd disagree with your assumption.
We talking about the same man here? Saddam killed some 5,000 of his own
people with chemical weapons at Halabjah, and stuffed another 400,000
or so of his constituents into mass graves.
Take a squiz at the "Baghdad Burning" blog, written by a 28-year-old female
IT professional who -- thanks to the 2003 war -- is now unemployable because
she belongs to the wrong sex (http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/).
Look at loss jobs due to terrorism in America, Im sorry for that one,
but dang man. Oh! what about the blast at Yagar junction near Haifa, in
2002 not only were 8 Isrealis killed, + 15 wounded, but American
Abigail Litle was killed. 2003. She was the daughter of a baptist
minister here in America.
We have the checks where saddams grant paid for terrorist activity
abroad
we have saddams own public statements praising various young terrorist
for their violence.
The same man who ramshacked Kuwait did an eco-burning of dey oil?
don't ask me for links here, this is common knowledge...there's not
enough time to sort this out anymore
I am not sure what I believe, I have to give slight faith to un-angered
reports...reports that do not appear to get off on one certain opinion
(i think those traits betray the author)
Nice to know you've got a heart. I hope you don't mean, however, that your
heart is gladdened by the deaths of the good?
dammit son! Im trying to make the picture clear for some
it's very simple.
You have to have a little bit of snake oil in your heart...reality
knows no mercy, the choices are now.
Either one is a peacekeeper and plays fair or...we cut them off, and
or...remove them.
This is not in re:
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Bush merely spearheaded an international attack on terrorism worldwide
weapons of mass death? you bet! Saddam infused money into the families
who's son or sometimes daughter committed terrorist acts.
we have copies of the checks that were cashed. He housed known
terrorist, Clinton indicted one, I can't remember it all...it was when
the italian cruise ship was hijacked (1985) the terrorist involved were
granted safe passage to Egypt Air, but our f-15's forced that jet to
land at Nato's runway. One of the hijackers on that plane was allowed
free passaged to Iraq. (Bagdad) under "diplomatic immunity". We were
very angry about this.
*Australia*, however, has had various battles fought on and over its
territory since the late 1700s. Have you ever heard of a relatively obscure
conflict that took place about 60 years ago? The Russians called it "The
Great Patriotic War", although to the rest of the world it went under the
name of "World War Two".
Interesting! I have had my own battles and sometimes I do not know the
facts
The country has substantial mineral deposits beneath its soil.
Seriously,...s that even the United States have not got
the capacity to annexe Australia militarily.
Nuclear reduction abroad only made leaders enlarge the size of fewer
missles.
Instead of 100 missles we have 8 bigger ones. We didn't throw anything
out.
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22 Feb 2006 09:29:36 PM |
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"Rescue" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Roy Wilke wrote:
Don't presume to tell me or anyone else what the Iraqis will say. Mind
you,
from listening to the news reports and from reading various Iraqi blogs,
I'd
say that there's a good many Iraqis who'd disagree with your assumption.
We talking about the same man here? Saddam killed some 5,000 of his own
people with chemical weapons at Halabjah, and stuffed another 400,000
or so of his constituents into mass graves.
Yes, and as I mentioned (and cited the references for it), Saddam Hussein
was *supported* by the United States until 1990. The U.S. provided him with
the ingredients for the chemical weapons that were deployed at Halabjah.
[snip]
Look at loss jobs due to terrorism in America, Im sorry for that one,
but dang man.
Try not to fall into the mistake of thinking that "terrorism" is specific to
one particular religion. I seem to remember a building being demolished in
Oklahoma City in the mid-1990s, and that an American group was responsible
for it.
The "war against terrorism", one could argue, has also created a lot of jobs
in America, specifically in the armaments industry.
Oh! what about the blast at Yagar junction near Haifa, in
2002 not only were 8 Isrealis killed, + 15 wounded, but American
Abigail Litle was killed. 2003. She was the daughter of a baptist
minister here in America.
Israel is not under discussion here.
We have the checks where saddams grant paid for terrorist activity
abroad
we have saddams own public statements praising various young terrorist
for their violence.
From what I recall, those cheques were paid to the surviving families of
suicide-bombers, not to the 'terrorist' organisations themselves.
The same man who ramshacked Kuwait did an eco-burning of dey oil?
don't ask me for links here, this is common knowledge...there's not
enough time to sort this out anymore
I am not sure what I believe, I have to give slight faith to un-angered
reports...reports that do not appear to get off on one certain opinion
(i think those traits betray the author)
Nice to know you've got a heart. I hope you don't mean, however, that
your
heart is gladdened by the deaths of the good?
dammit son! Im trying to make the picture clear for some
it's very simple.
Is it?
You have to have a little bit of snake oil in your heart...reality
knows no mercy, the choices are now.
Why would anyone want to inject petroleum oil from the Snake River in Idaho
into his or her heart? That sounds, literally, like the last thing a person
would do.
Either one is a peacekeeper and plays fair or...we cut them off, and
or...remove them.
To me, that sounds like your arguing that the US government has the right to
assassinate any other nation's head of state or head of government that the
US doesn't approve of. If so, then what's your stance on the proposition
that any other nation that doesn't approve of the US choice for head of
state has the right to send an assassination squad in to Washington D.C. to
"remove" the US President from office?
This is not in re:
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Bush merely spearheaded an international attack on terrorism worldwide
No he didn't.
weapons of mass death?
Still to be found, three years after the invasion of Iraq.
you bet! Saddam infused money into the families
who's son or sometimes daughter committed terrorist acts.
we have copies of the checks that were cashed.
That has been answered above. Anyway, what right does the US have to dictate
to another nation how they spend their money?
He housed known
terrorist,
The US also houses known terrorists. One of the more notorius is a fellow
called Luis Posada Carilles, who is responsible for blowing up at least one
jetliner in flight and about half a dozen hotels. He was trained by the CIA
and is at present applying for political asylum in the U.S. Because of the
political influence of the Cuban exile community in Florida, Carilles will
probably get political asylum.
Clinton indicted one, I can't remember it all...it was when
the italian cruise ship was hijacked (1985)
The SS Achille Lauro (formerly the SS Willem Ruys). Launched July 1946. Sank
whilst on fire off the African coast on 2 December 1994.
the terrorist involved were
granted safe passage to Egypt Air, but our f-15's forced that jet >to land
at Nato's runway.
So the US responds to a Palestinian hijacking of an Italian ship in
international waters by sending its own military to effectively hijack an
Egyptian airliner in international airspace.
One of the hijackers on that plane was allowed
free passaged to Iraq.
On the aeroplane, Abu Abbas was a passenger. He had been a hijacker on the
ship.
He didn't get free passage to Iraq, by the way. After leaving Italy, he went
to Tunisia, which expelled him after being pressured by the United States
and Italy.
(Bagdad) under "diplomatic immunity". We were
very angry about this.
Australians were very angry that a failed 1980s entrepreneur landed up
hiding on the Spanish Riviera even though substantial charges were being
prosecuted against him.
The Spanish government wouldn't agree to extradition. Australia refrained
from invading Spain to get Skase, though.
Seriously,...s that even the United States have not got
the capacity to annexe Australia militarily.
Nuclear reduction abroad only made leaders enlarge the size of
fewer missles.
Instead of 100 missles we have 8 bigger ones. We didn't throw
anything out.
Enough with the pissing contests.
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22 Feb 2006 09:58:59 PM |
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Roy Wilke wrote:
Israel is not under discussion here.
it's international terrorism
it's links to saddam
From what I recall, those cheques were paid to the surviving families of
suicide-bombers, not to the 'terrorist' organisations themselves.
correct, the amount used to be 10,000, saddam upped it to 25,000
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<snip, i-what to do about opposition...>assassination squad in to Washington D.C. to
"remove" the US President from office?
Don't Tread On Me?
This is not in re:
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Bush merely spearheaded an international attack on terrorism worldwide
No he didn't.
You didn't see the fireworks?
weapons of mass death?
Still to be found, three years after the invasion of Iraq.
his wmd was the men he paid for...take in mind, these are only the ones
the idiot left a paper trail on. How many more were handed money inside
his palace...
what right does the US have to dictate
to another nation how they spend their money?
they don't, unless it has to do with terrorism, which IMO, is the real
topic here.
The US also houses known terrorists. One of the more notorius is a fellow
called Luis Posada Carilles, who is responsible for blowing up at least one
jetliner in flight and about half a dozen hotels. He was trained by the CIA
and is at present applying for political asylum in the U.S. Because of the
political influence of the Cuban exile community in Florida, Carilles will
probably get political asylum.
Saddam knew where his money was going. He made public statements about
the very acts.
He is pictured in local Baathist parties in cahoots with aarafat.
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22 Feb 2006 10:50:48 PM |
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"Rescue" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Roy Wilke wrote:
Israel is not under discussion here.
it's international terrorism
Whose terrorism?
The Irish Republican Army (which received financial support from various
organisations in the United States for over 20 years late last century)?
The Ulster Volunteer Force? The Red Brigades? The Marxist Separatists in
Nepal? The Lord's Resistance Army (Uganda)? The African National Congress?
The Moro Liberation Front? The Ku Klux Klan? Black September? The Black
Panthers? The Weathermen? The Symbionese Liberation Army? The Ustasche? The
Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia? Shining Path? ETA? The
Unabomber? M-19? MS-13? The Interahamwe?
It's a long, long list. Some would say you could also add a number of
American youth gangs to the list of 'terrorist' organisations.
it's links to saddam
Links that were tenuous, at best.
From what I recall, those cheques were paid to the surviving families of
suicide-bombers, not to the 'terrorist' organisations themselves.
correct, the amount used to be 10,000, saddam upped it to 25,000
But that's still not money that goes directly to a 'terrorist' organisation.
It's money that goes to the grieving relatives.
<snip, i-what to do about opposition...>assassination squad in to
Washington D.C. to
"remove" the US President from office?
Don't Tread On Me?
Quoting the slogan from an old battle-flag doesn't answer the question.
You're saying that the U.S. has the right to take a particular course
against other nations. If so, then don't other nations have the same right
to take that same particular course against the United States? And if not,
why not?
This is not in re:
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Bush merely spearheaded an international attack on terrorism worldwide
No he didn't.
You didn't see the fireworks?
They weren't fireworks. They were various pieces of deadly ordnance deployed
mainly against civilians.
weapons of mass death?
Still to be found, three years after the invasion of Iraq.
his wmd was the men he paid for...take in mind, these are only the ones
the idiot left a paper trail on. How many more were handed money inside
his palace...
Bazza, mate. Your meaning has been lost in the translation there. The
Weapons of Mass Destruction that were used as the justification for the 2003
invasion were *not* men -- they were warheads and medium-range missiles
that, allegedly, could strike targets in Britain within 45 minutes.
what right does the US have to dictate
to another nation how they spend their money?
they don't, unless it has to do with terrorism, which IMO, is the real
topic here.
But what, exactly, *is* terrorism per se? The Israelis will admit that
Israel was created through a terrorist campaign in the late 1940s (the
bombing of the King David Hotel being the most famous example). The African
National Congress were deemed to be a terrorist organisation in the 1960s:
they're now the party that's in government in South Africa. The German army
that occupied France between 1940 and 1944 regarded the Maquis and the
French Resistance to be "terrorists", whilst the Allied forces regarded them
as "freedom fighters" (the same applied in other parts of Europe, including
Norway, Holland, Italy and what was then known as Yugoslavia).
Even the colonial rebels of the American Revolutionary War were regarded by
the British troops as "terrorists" (indeed, it could be argued that, as
George Washington &c. were serving British military officers and had sworn
alliegance to King George III, the only one among them who was *not* guilty
of treason was Benedict Arnold).
The US also houses known terrorists. One of the more notorius is a
fellow
called Luis Posada Carilles, who is responsible for blowing up at least
one
jetliner in flight and about half a dozen hotels. He was trained by the
CIA
and is at present applying for political asylum in the U.S. Because of
the
political influence of the Cuban exile community in Florida, Carilles
will
probably get political asylum.
I see you let that one go through to the keeper.
Saddam knew where his money was going. He made public statements about
the very acts.
He is pictured in local Baathist parties in cahoots with aarafat.
So what? Yasir Arafat has also been pictured meeting Pope John Paul II.
(http://www.rc.net/kazakhstan/jp/papa/pope-arafat.jpg)
Does that mean that the Roman Catholic Church supports 'terrorism'?
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22 Feb 2006 10:36:49 PM |
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Rescue wrote:
Roy Wilke wrote:
Israel is not under discussion here.
it's international terrorism
it's links to saddam
what right does the US have to dictate
to another nation how they spend their money?
they don't, unless it has to do with terrorism, which IMO, is the real
topic here.
That's what y'all said about the "War on Drugs", when the CIA kept
interfering with the governments of South American countries because
they "had links to drug lords".
People seem to forget that the US has a history of declaring war on
non-state abstractions like "communism", "drugs", "anarchy" and
"terrorism" while asserting that their behaviour is acceptable because
it is the one special case.
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Roy Wilke wrote:
(Bagdad) under "diplomatic immunity". We were
very angry about this.
Australians were very angry that a failed 1980s entrepreneur landed up
hiding on the Spanish Riviera even though substantial charges were being
prosecuted against him.
The Spanish government wouldn't agree to extradition. Australia refrained
from invading Spain to get Skase, though.
Many Australians thought that was the wrong decision. What's the point
of having the ASIS and SASR if they're too afraid to use them? Skase
should have been brought back by force, but our government didn't
really want him back and did just as much as the Spanish government to
prevent his return.
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22 Feb 2006 06:32:33 PM |
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Rescue wrote:
As I say, hope this never comes to Austraila's front door.
Maybe your land is not a desireable land, as in rich in natural
resources.
It may be, but maybe it is not?
Oil is not the source of Iraq's problems, it is the wrestle for power
between opposing sects that is now the problem.
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22 Feb 2006 07:18:19 PM |
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imorf wrote:
Oil is not the source of Iraq's problems, it is the wrestle for power
between opposing sects that is now the problem.
So it is the pride of life.
Jesus didn't come to remove the national debt; it doesn't take a god to
remove debt, it takes sacrifice on part of the ones in debt.
As far as civil obedience, well...this just takes a firm hand first,
and education second.
Anyone know of a good site where Iraqi updates are given, a site you
feel is accurate and unbiased.
Thanks
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22 Feb 2006 07:36:22 PM |
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"Rescue" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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imorf wrote:
Oil is not the source of Iraq's problems, it is the wrestle for power
between opposing sects that is now the problem.
So it is the pride of life.
Jesus didn't come to remove the national debt; it doesn't take a god to
remove debt, it takes sacrifice on part of the ones in debt.
With respect, the most famous native of Nazareth has nothing to do with the
subject under discussion.
As far as civil obedience, well...this just takes a firm hand first,
and education second.
That's probably what the Wehrmacht said about the French between 1940 and
1944.
Anyone know of a good site where Iraqi updates are given, a site you
feel is accurate and unbiased.
"Bias" is a subjective term, Bazza. But try taking a look at non-US websites
for a start, as they're not so bound to toe the US Government's 'party
line'.
Also, do a hunt for the more experienced Middle East-based reporters. Robert
Fisk is one of the more prominent and respected names that comes to mind.
Thanks
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| User: "Rescue" |
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| Title: Re: Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
22 Feb 2006 09:44:31 PM |
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Roy Wilke wrote:
With respect, the most famous native of Nazareth has nothing to do with the
subject under discussion.
that's a dumb comment
Give it up! Jesus has been the focus of the conflict in the middle east
since isreal became a state. Jesus even said he came to bring a sword.
And he did. Everybody has tried to remove isreal, except for a few.
It's about religion.
Isreal is the greatest time piece in the earth today, if you believe
bible prophecy, believe the tiny little part about isreal, keep your
eye on them, they are the quartz that resonates prophecy. Believe the
little tiny part Ezekiel wrote, right now, Isreal is lining up, even
though they don't even understand it themselves.
AND, this is a prophecy board. Im posting from the prophecy side, when
someone puts it over here, you're going to get chocolate in the peanut
butter, but I don't have to explain this. or this.
Many wars have been won, through the prophet. so it's a good thing to
post over here.
We are not small, we are an extension of God's strength. We tell the
king, You will live and not die! We talk to the one in charge.
We are not subject to any man. We are mercenaries for the Lord, we
fight for who he says we fight for. We stand in and make up the
difference, 2 of us put 10,000 to flight.
I knew a certain city that was under seige from all sides, great
bulkwards had been set against them, but I declare, they did win that
war all because of a poor man in the city.
It's not about money, it's about what thus saith the Lord, he is
running this thing.
If we live wicked we will have enemies, but if our ways as Americans
(yes I am an american flag waiving piece of crap, ghetto poor wanna be,
but I do not discount myself on account of money or circumstance)
please the Lord, then even our enemies will be at peace with us.
We are not here on our own recognances, we have strived to be here
lol...
ain't nobody hearing me
I can't get no help
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| User: "Roy Wilke" |
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| Title: Re: Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
22 Feb 2006 10:51:50 PM |
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"Rescue" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1140666271.908442.5340@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Roy Wilke wrote:
AND, this is a prophecy board. Im posting from the prophecy side,
This thread has also been cross-posted. I'm posting from the aus.tv side
(which, as best I can make out) is NOT a prophecy board.
[snip]
If we live wicked we will have enemies, but if our ways as Americans
(yes I am an american flag waiving piece of crap, ghetto poor wanna be,
This may sound pedantic, but if you're "flag waiving", it means that you're
someone who will voluntarily give up their flag.
I think you meant "flag waving". :)
but I do not discount myself on account of money or circumstance)
please the Lord, then even our enemies will be at peace with us.
There's hope for you yet.
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| User: "Rescue" |
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| Title: Re: Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
23 Feb 2006 06:50:13 AM |
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Roy Wilke wrote:
I think you meant "flag waving". :)
lol
but I do not discount myself on account of money or circumstance)
please the Lord, then even our enemies will be at peace with us.
There's hope for you yet.
thaat's right, hope is my secret weapon.
it's not over till it over
I am still in the game
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
16 Feb 2006 07:53:12 AM |
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piano wire skrev:
"If Monkey's were smart enough to start their own country do you think
they
would call it a Banana Republic?" <<==not such a hypothetical question
any longer seeing as the yanks have a monkey running the country and
despite him turning it into a banana republic he has not changed the
name...! So the answer to the question...NO!
WH
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| User: "Rescue" |
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| Title: Re: Australian TV airs new images of Abu Ghraib abuse.....15/2/6 |
22 Feb 2006 08:29:42 PM |
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WH wrote:
<<==not such a hypothetical question
any longer seeing as the yanks have a monkey running the country and
despite him turning it into a banana republic he has not changed the
name...! So the answer to the question...NO!
WH
it was either this, or someone who hires hollywood producer to beef up
his resume'
<throwing my hands in the air>
i don't know nothing
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