LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
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24 Jan 2008 10:22:57 AM |
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On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
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24 Jan 2008 10:33:26 AM |
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On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
Yes. But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neanderthal, who
can't comprehend.
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24 Jan 2008 10:37:32 AM |
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On Jan 24, 8:33 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
Yes. But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neanderthal, who
can't comprehend.
Does that mean you've got nothing (as usual)?
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| User: "eric" |
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24 Jan 2008 10:57:23 AM |
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On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:33 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
Yes. But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neanderthal, who
can't comprehend.
Does that mean you've got nothing (as usual)?
no. It means the facts mean nothing to you.
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24 Jan 2008 11:08:15 AM |
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On Jan 24, 8:57 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:33 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
Yes. But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neanderthal, who
can't comprehend.
Does that mean you've got nothing (as usual)?
no. It means the facts mean nothing to you.
Then show a fact. Or are you just saying ANY criticism of Obama is the
RACE card?
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| User: "eric" |
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24 Jan 2008 11:11:04 AM |
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On Jan 24, 12:08 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:57 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:33 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
Yes. But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neanderthal, who
can't comprehend.
Does that mean you've got nothing (as usual)?
no. It means the facts mean nothing to you.
Then show a fact. Or are you just saying ANY criticism of Obama is the
RACE card?
Nope. Read a newspaper.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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24 Jan 2008 11:18:07 AM |
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On Jan 24, 12:11=A0pm, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:08 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Then show a fact. Or are you just saying ANY criticism of Obama is the
RACE card?
Nope. =A0Read a newspaper.
Hehehehehehehe
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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24 Jan 2008 11:18:40 AM |
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On Jan 24, 9:11 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:08 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:57 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:33 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! Slick Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using divisive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a wedge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power Hungry
*****, Hillary Elected. Unbelievable. The truth doesn't matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE card?
Yes. But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neanderthal, who
can't comprehend.
Does that mean you've got nothing (as usual)?
no. It means the facts mean nothing to you.
Then show a fact. Or are you just saying ANY criticism of Obama is the
RACE card?
Nope. Read a newspaper.
I read a lot of newspapers:
http://www.thenewsrightnow.com/
Show something specific to back up your baseless claim.
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| User: "WH" |
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24 Jan 2008 12:37:46 PM |
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On Jan 24, 6:18=A0pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:11 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:08 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:57 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:33 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:22 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrot=
e:
On Jan 24, 7:05 am, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
LYING HIS ***** OFF!!!....Boy, what an embarassment! =A0Slick =
Willy's now
shamelessly playing Neoconesque Sleaze politics by using div=
isive
tactics, ie, the RACE Card, and obviously hopes to drive a w=
edge
between Blacks, Whites, and Women to get that Lying, Power H=
ungry
*****, Hillary Elected. =A0Unbelievable. =A0The truth doesn'=
t matter to
Billy Boy, anymore than the Chimp. =A0Really disgusting.
Can you show a specific example of Bill Clinton using the RACE=
card?
Yes. =A0But I won't bother reading the headlines to a Neandertha=
l, who
can't comprehend.
Does that mean you've got nothing (as usual)?
no. =A0It means the facts mean nothing to you.
Then show a fact. Or are you just saying ANY criticism of Obama is the=
RACE card?
Nope. =A0Read a newspaper.
I read a lot of newspapers:http://www.thenewsrightnow.com/
Show something specific to back up your baseless claim.- Hide quoted text =
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Come on Eric, give the douglas something specific to back up your
claims...something as "specific" as DNA being so complicated is
"evidence" that there's a god! :-)
WH
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24 Jan 2008 01:27:57 PM |
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On Jan 24, 10:37 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Come on Eric, give the douglas something specific to back up your
claims...
Yes, come on, eric. It really shouldn't be difficult since you've got
all those newspaper headlines you mentioned.
something as "specific" as DNA being so complicated is
"evidence" that there's a god! :-)
Do you know of any other *code* that was not created by an intelligent
mind? Of course, it would take someone with an open mind to take an
honest look at the complexity of the language encoded into the DNA
molecule. I would never expect that from you.
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24 Jan 2008 01:40:50 PM |
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On 24 Jan, 19:27, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Do you know of any other *code* that was not created by an intelligent
mind? Of course, it would take someone with an open mind to take an
honest look at the complexity of the language encoded into the DNA
molecule. I would never expect that from you.
Look at Claude's bloody anagrams. Now there is a 'code' that was not
created by an intelligent mind
Werewolfy
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24 Jan 2008 10:01:42 PM |
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Werewolfy <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:55008be3-c523-41b3-91e6-
63be8023eb55@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On 24 Jan, 19:27, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Do you know of any other *code* that was not created by an intelligent
mind? Of course, it would take someone with an open mind to take an
honest look at the complexity of the language encoded into the DNA
molecule. I would never expect that from you.
Look at Claude's bloody anagrams. Now there is a 'code' that was not
created by an intelligent mind
Werewolfy
aha ! you fell right into stevie's trap ! you shall be cordoned and
skewered unfortunate nave ! this line of logic is stevie's speceality.
it's the highly tricky reverse gambit with 2 degrees of disconnect..
his mental opponents don't even know what he is talking about !!
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25 Jan 2008 04:17:37 AM |
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On 25 Jan, 04:01, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
aha ! you fell right into stevie's trap ! you shall be cordoned and
skewered unfortunate nave ! this line of logic is stevie's speceality.
it's the highly tricky reverse gambit with 2 degrees of disconnect..
his mental opponents don't even know what he is talking about !!
Couldn't resist the temptation, Randy. A swipe at Claude whilst
swiping at Stephen is an opportune event. Rare as Solar Eclipses!
But the 'high risky reverse gambit with two degrees of disconnect' did
make me laugh.
I play a lot of Chess. Now I find myself subtly whispering 'He might
play that risky reverse gambit with two degrees of disconnect' to
myself at every game opening! It's already becoming a
habit...*Screeeeem*
Werewolfy
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| User: "WH" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:54:47 PM |
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On Jan 24, 8:27=A0pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 10:37 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Come on Eric, give the douglas something specific to back up your
claims...
Yes, come on, eric. It really shouldn't be difficult since you've got
all those newspaper headlines you mentioned.
something as "specific" as DNA being so complicated is
"evidence" that there's a god! :-)
Do you know of any other *code* that was not created by an intelligent
mind? Of course, it would take someone with an open mind to take an
honest look at the complexity of the language encoded into the DNA
molecule. I would never expect that from you.
I didn't say it wasn't complicated douglas, but that it's "evidence"
that there's a god is a fuckin' stupid thing to say!
It's actually the freaky christian thing to say...'cos you can't come
up with any other "evidence" to prove that there's a god. In the same
way as you use "there are evil people in the world therefore there is
a devil"
Listen to what you're saying douglas..."there is a god because DNA is
so complicated". There is absolutely nothing to support such
nonsense.
Gobshite!
WH
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24 Jan 2008 02:31:09 PM |
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On Jan 24, 11:54 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:27 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 10:37 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Come on Eric, give the douglas something specific to back up your
claims...
Yes, come on, eric. It really shouldn't be difficult since you've got
all those newspaper headlines you mentioned.
something as "specific" as DNA being so complicated is
"evidence" that there's a god! :-)
Do you know of any other *code* that was not created by an intelligent
mind? Of course, it would take someone with an open mind to take an
honest look at the complexity of the language encoded into the DNA
molecule. I would never expect that from you.
I didn't say it wasn't complicated douglas, but that it's "evidence"
that there's a god is a fuckin' stupid thing to say!
Fine. You believe *order* evolved from chaos. You believe a *code*
that is more complicated than any software invented by man just
happened by accident. Have you ever stopped to contemplate the odds
against that *code* having happened by accident? Of course you
haven't, because your mind is closed.
It's actually the freaky christian thing to say...'cos you can't come
up with any other "evidence" to prove that there's a god.
You're kidding, right? I've got plenty. I'm just starting with this
one, and I haven't proceeded because I couldn't get Wolfy to
acknowledge I was talking about *information* while he was talking
about the container that holds the information.
In the same way as you use "there are evil people in the world
therefore there is a devil"
Uh, are those supposed to be my quoted words? I don't recall making
that argument. Or do you have me confused with someone else?
Listen to what you're saying douglas..."there is a god because DNA is
so complicated".
I don't recall saying that either. I don't recall saying I could
provide *proof* of the existence of God. I do recall saying there is
plenty of evidence, and I started with the complexity of the
*information* encoded within the DNA molecule. There is no other
instance known to man in which a *language* -- a code -- came into
existence without a creator. Unless you can show me one?
There is absolutely nothing to support such nonsense.
Your mind is closed. So be it.
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24 Jan 2008 04:13:36 PM |
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On Jan 24, 9:31=A0pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:54 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:27 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 10:37 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Come on Eric, give the douglas something specific to back up your
claims...
Yes, come on, eric. It really shouldn't be difficult since you've got
all those newspaper headlines you mentioned.
something as "specific" as DNA being so complicated is
"evidence" that there's a god! :-)
Do you know of any other *code* that was not created by an intelligent=
mind? Of course, it would take someone with an open mind to take an
honest look at the complexity of the language encoded into the DNA
molecule. I would never expect that from you.
I didn't say it wasn't complicated douglas, but that it's "evidence"
that there's a god is a fuckin' stupid thing to say!
Fine. You believe *order* evolved from chaos. You believe a *code*
that is more complicated than any software invented by man just
happened by accident. Have you ever stopped to contemplate the odds
against that *code* having happened by accident? Of course you
haven't, because your mind is closed.
Makes no difference what I believe douglas. That DNA is so complicated
is not "evidence" that there's a god. It moght 'suggest' the
possibility but it's certainly not evidence.
It's actually the freaky christian thing to say...'cos you can't come
up with any other "evidence" to prove that there's a god.
You're kidding, right? I've got plenty. I'm just starting with this
one, and I haven't proceeded because I couldn't get Wolfy to
acknowledge I was talking about *information* while he was talking
about the container that holds the information.
Well c=E4mon then, let's have all your "evidence".
In the same way as you use "there are evil people in the world
therefore there is a devil"
Uh, are those supposed to be my quoted words? I don't recall making
that argument. Or do you have me confused with someone else?
Freaky christians you twat!
Listen to what you're saying douglas..."there is a god because DNA is
so complicated".
I don't recall saying that either. I don't recall saying I could
provide *proof* of the existence of God. I do recall saying there is
plenty of evidence, and I started with the complexity of the
*information* encoded within the DNA molecule. There is no other
instance known to man in which a *language* -- a code -- came into
existence without a creator. Unless you can show me one?
Fucked if I'm gonna show you anything. Here then is the first instance
of a code coming into existence with a creator. Just because there
isin't another one does not provide evidence that there's a god.
There is absolutely nothing to support such nonsense.
Your mind is closed. So be it.
You're telling me that the complexity of DNA is evidence that there's
a god and it's my mind that's closed??
WH
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24 Jan 2008 04:55:07 PM |
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On 24 Jan, 22:13, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're telling me that the complexity of DNA is evidence that there's
a god and it's my mind that's closed??
Wriggling Chris, he's a fish who dislikes this hook.
His is a very strange idea as to what is regarded as being evidence.
All that he has so far produced as evidence, is a statement to the
effect that the DNA helix (and I am right to use that full term,
Stephen, it includes the entire helix with attendant information) is
'beautiful' and is' complicated' and is a 'code not invented by man'
Add a quote from Bill Gates (as if that mattered an inch) and you have
what he calls, 'evidence'.
Rocks are quite pretty things too, and they were not invented by man.
Their formation from the material of the Universe is fairly well
known. Stephen forgets that DNA is a new discovery, and that with
time, we will no doubt know a great deal more about it.
The man is unbelievable. It was he who said he could provide
'evidence'. I had to ask him twice before he gave this DNA supposition
for a God's existence.
We know not all that much about the brain either..he might as well say
'the brain is complex and can calculate, therefore that proves there
is a God'.
It is simply not evidence. It does not fulfil the definition of
evidence, no matter how loosely Stephen plays with the words.
Stephen has said he would produce evidence. He cannot do so, and is
now embroiled in trying to justify his rather wild assertion.
Due to his lack of valid points, he resorts to saying that other's
have a 'closed mind'.
Open my mind then Stephen. Show me evidence that fulfils the
definition of the word.
Werewolfy
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25 Jan 2008 01:56:47 AM |
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On Jan 24, 11:55=A0pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 24 Jan, 22:13, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're telling me that the complexity of DNA is evidence that there's
a god and it's my mind that's closed??
Wriggling Chris, he's a fish who dislikes this hook.
His is a very strange idea as to what is regarded as being evidence.
All that he has so far produced as evidence, is a statement to the
effect that the DNA helix (and I am right to use that full term,
Stephen, it includes the entire helix with attendant information) is
'beautiful' and is' complicated' and is a 'code not invented by man'
Add a quote from Bill Gates (as if that mattered an inch) and you have
what he calls, 'evidence'.
Rocks are quite pretty things too, and they were not invented by man.
Their formation from the material of the Universe is fairly well
known. Stephen forgets that DNA is a new discovery, and that with
time, we will no doubt know a great deal more about it.
The man is unbelievable. It was he who said he could provide
'evidence'. I had to ask him twice before he gave this DNA supposition
for a God's existence.
We know not all that much about the brain either..he might as well say
'the brain is complex and can calculate, therefore that proves there
is a God'.
It is simply not evidence. It does not fulfil the definition of
evidence, no matter how loosely Stephen plays with the words.
Stephen has said he would produce evidence. He cannot do so, and is
now embroiled in trying to justify his rather wild assertion.
Due to his lack of valid points, he resorts to saying that other's
have a 'closed mind'.
Open my mind then Stephen. Show me evidence that fulfils the
definition of the word.
Werewolfy
Let's just hope he's not a copper eh :-) Imagine having to deal with a
copper who doesn't have a clue what evidence is...or worse, one that
makes it up to suit himself to suit what he believes to be true.
Anyway Wolfy, to answer your questions in another thread...yes thank
you, all is well. Everything is as it should except BP was a little
bit high. An extra tablet a day has fixed that :-) Sternum is getting
better but is a very painful process but apart from that I can't
complain :-) And yes, after all the chats I've had with nurses,
doctors, and a host of other hospital people I'm beginning to realise
just how lucky I was. Just wasn't my time I s'pose :-) I sent Dani
some pics of my poor chest :-) which I think she's gonna sent to you.
You can see then how it looks.
WH
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25 Jan 2008 04:06:43 AM |
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On 25 Jan, 07:56, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:55=EF=BF=BDpm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 24 Jan, 22:13, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're telling me that the complexity of DNA is evidence that there's
a god and it's my mind that's closed??
Wriggling Chris, he's a fish who dislikes this hook.
His is a very strange idea as to what is regarded as being evidence.
All that he has so far produced as evidence, is a statement to the
effect that the DNA helix (and I am right to use that full term,
Stephen, it includes the entire helix with attendant information) is
'beautiful' and is' complicated' and is a 'code not invented by man'
Add a quote from Bill Gates (as if that mattered an inch) and you have
what he calls, 'evidence'.
Rocks are quite pretty things too, and they were not invented by man.
Their formation from the material of the Universe is fairly well
known. Stephen forgets that DNA is a new discovery, and that with
time, we will no doubt know a great deal more about it.
The man is unbelievable. It was he who said he could provide
'evidence'. I had to ask him twice before he gave this DNA supposition
for a God's existence.
We know not all that much about the brain either..he might as well say
'the brain is complex and can calculate, therefore that proves there
is a God'.
It is simply not evidence. It does not fulfil the definition of
evidence, no matter how loosely Stephen plays with the words.
Stephen has said he would produce evidence. He cannot do so, and is
now embroiled in trying to justify his rather wild assertion.
Due to his lack of valid points, he resorts to saying that other's
have a 'closed mind'.
Open my mind then Stephen. Show me evidence that fulfils the
definition of the word.
Werewolfy
Let's just hope he's not a copper eh :-) Imagine having to deal with a
copper who doesn't have a clue what evidence is...or worse, one that
makes it up to suit himself to suit what he believes to be true.
Anyway Wolfy, to answer your questions in another thread...yes thank
you, all is well. Everything is as it should except BP was a little
bit high. An extra tablet a day has fixed that :-) Sternum is getting
better but is a very painful process but apart from that I can't
complain :-) And yes, after all the chats I've had with nurses,
doctors, and a host of other hospital people I'm beginning to realise
just how lucky I was. Just wasn't my time I s'pose :-) I sent Dani
some pics of my poor chest :-) which I think she's gonna sent to you.
You can see then how it looks.
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Grins Chris....I've met a few 'filth' like Stephen who 'use' the
arrangement of words in order to strengthen a weak case. Gosh, I must
have been out of the job a long time to call myself by that derogatory
title!
I should explain to the Americans that 'The Filth' is a popular term
amongst certain types for 'The Police'
Keep on recovering Chris. I've lost too many friends over the years to
add another to that list. You never know, I might be able to make that
meeting this summer...I would like that.
Ricky
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 11:44:35 AM |
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On Jan 24, 11:56 pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:55 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 24 Jan, 22:13, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're telling me that the complexity of DNA is evidence that there's
a god and it's my mind that's closed??
Wriggling Chris, he's a fish who dislikes this hook.
His is a very strange idea as to what is regarded as being evidence.
All that he has so far produced as evidence, is a statement to the
effect that the DNA helix (and I am right to use that full term,
Stephen, it includes the entire helix with attendant information) is
'beautiful' and is' complicated' and is a 'code not invented by man'
Add a quote from Bill Gates (as if that mattered an inch) and you have
what he calls, 'evidence'.
Rocks are quite pretty things too, and they were not invented by man.
Their formation from the material of the Universe is fairly well
known. Stephen forgets that DNA is a new discovery, and that with
time, we will no doubt know a great deal more about it.
The man is unbelievable. It was he who said he could provide
'evidence'. I had to ask him twice before he gave this DNA supposition
for a God's existence.
We know not all that much about the brain either..he might as well say
'the brain is complex and can calculate, therefore that proves there
is a God'.
It is simply not evidence. It does not fulfil the definition of
evidence, no matter how loosely Stephen plays with the words.
Stephen has said he would produce evidence. He cannot do so, and is
now embroiled in trying to justify his rather wild assertion.
Due to his lack of valid points, he resorts to saying that other's
have a 'closed mind'.
Open my mind then Stephen. Show me evidence that fulfils the
definition of the word.
Werewolfy
Let's just hope he's not a copper eh :-) Imagine having to deal with a
copper who doesn't have a clue what evidence is...o
Just because you have a very narrow definition of the word "evidence"
doesn't mean I have to. Especially when I clarified the definition I
was using before I began. But what the hell, your mind is closed.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 12:55:16 PM |
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On 25 Jan, 17:44, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"But what the hell, your mind is closed"
The other thread on this subject now contains my summary of how the
discussion stands. It might be more convenient to refer to that one,
rather than to hop from one thread to another.
It's unanimous Stephen. It is your mind that is closed. Mind, you
could always prove that to be not so...you could always say, 'There
might not be a Creator, there might not be a Devine Being' That would
show your willingness to embrace new ideas.
The alternative is for you to exclude that possibility. Such exclusion
will, of course, show that it is indeed you that has a 'closed mind'.
Werewolfy
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 04:57:00 PM |
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How did this thread get off the discussion of two grasping, clawing,
lying weasels and get into proving the existence of God?
Now we don't necessarily have to prove that Bill and Hill are corrupt,
meanspirited people that will say or do anything to achieve power.
There's lots and lots of history that reveals their nature. They're
human, you can see them, if you're astute enough you can peer into
their hearts and be properly repulsed.
It's a little different with God. God is all revelation and there's
an introduction that's needed. And if you don't or won't see Him,
it's ok. It's up to you. He's obviously not interested in shoving
something down your throat. You should happily live your life.
Without that introduction or experience He isn't seen, there is no
revelation. So there is no reason to argue about something that isn't
seen.
If you've had the experience, and some of us experience every moment
of every day, then we can carry on plumbing the depths of immaculate,
eternal order and structure and all encompassing intimacy and love
without feeling the need to "prove" something. It's just life.
We're all pilgrims here in one form or another. Some don't know where
they're going until they get there. Bon Voyage.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 05:41:39 PM |
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On Jan 25, 2:57 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
How did this thread get off the discussion of two grasping, clawing,
lying weasels and get into proving the existence of God?
All you have to do is look back through the thread and see who first
raised the issue in this thread. And by the way, oh exalted one, no
one is trying to *prove* the existence of God. In fact, I specifically
said I am not trying to do that.
Now we don't necessarily have to prove that Bill and Hill are corrupt,
meanspirited people that will say or do anything to achieve power.
There's lots and lots of history that reveals their nature. They're
human, you can see them, if you're astute enough you can peer into
their hearts and be properly repulsed.
Yes, a "fine" Christian like you knows how to peer into the hearts of
others. I've noticed that about you -- and you're frequently wrong.
It's a little different with God. God is all revelation and there's
an introduction that's needed. And if you don't or won't see Him,
it's ok. It's up to you. He's obviously not interested in shoving
something down your throat. You should happily live your life.
Without that introduction or experience He isn't seen, there is no
revelation. So there is no reason to argue about something that isn't
seen.
If you've had the experience, and some of us experience every moment
of every day, then we can carry on plumbing the depths of immaculate,
eternal order and structure and all encompassing intimacy and love
without feeling the need to "prove" something. It's just life.
Why do I get the feeling you think I initiated this discussion? If
that's what you think, you're as wrong as you usually are.
We're all pilgrims here in one form or another. Some don't know where
they're going until they get there. Bon Voyage.
And if someone were to ask you why you believe in God, what would you
say?
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 06:53:41 PM |
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On 25 Jan, 23:41, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"And if someone were to ask you why you believe in God, what would you
say?"
He already has said it.
I can live very comfortably alongside John's way of expressing
himself. Your method is another matter altogether.
I don't imagine you can see why, perhaps for the same reason that I
can't see a God?
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 07:04:51 PM |
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On Jan 25, 4:53 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 25 Jan, 23:41, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"And if someone were to ask you why you believe in God, what would you
say?"
He already has said it.
I can live very comfortably alongside John's way of expressing
himself. Your method is another matter altogether.
Then why did you push me, more than once, for an explanation for my
belief in God? And why were you critical when I did not to go into an
immediate explanation?
I don't imagine you can see why, perhaps for the same reason that I
can't see a God?
So it doesn't bother you that John believes in God, it only bothers
you that I do. You're not interested in asking John to have doubts
about his belief in God, you're only interested in asking me to do
that. I think that's fair.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 07:08:49 PM |
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On 26 Jan, 01:04, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"Then why did you push me, more than once, for an explanation for my
belief in God? And why were you critical when I did not to go into an
immediate explanation?"
Malice.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 07:10:31 PM |
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On Jan 25, 5:08 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 26 Jan, 01:04, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"Then why did you push me, more than once, for an explanation for my
belief in God? And why were you critical when I did not to go into an
immediate explanation?"
Malice.
You're such a wonderful human being. Aren't you?
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 07:36:08 PM |
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On Jan 25, 6:41=A0pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 25, 2:57 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
How did this thread get off the discussion of two grasping, clawing,
lying weasels and get into proving the existence of God?
All you have to do is look back through the thread and see who first
raised the issue in this thread. And by the way, oh exalted one, no
one is trying to *prove* the existence of God. In fact, I specifically
said I am not trying to do that.
I haven't been following this thread closely and I don't particularly
care about what you're trying to do.
Now we don't necessarily have to prove that Bill and Hill are corrupt,
meanspirited people that will say or do anything to achieve power.
There's lots and lots of history that reveals their nature. =A0They're
human, you can see them, if you're astute enough you can peer into
their hearts and be properly repulsed.
Yes, a "fine" Christian like you knows how to peer into the hearts of
others. I've noticed that about you -- and you're frequently wrong.
You'd only know that for sure if I was wrong about you and I haven't
been wrong about you once, Herr Doktor.
It's a little different with God. =A0God is all revelation and there's
an introduction that's needed. =A0 And if you don't or won't see Him,
it's ok. =A0It's up to you. He's obviously not interested in shoving
something down your throat. You should happily live your life.
Without that introduction or experience He isn't seen, there is no
revelation. So there is no reason to argue about something that isn't
seen.
If you've had the experience, and some of us experience every moment
of every day, then we can carry on plumbing the depths of immaculate,
eternal order and structure and all encompassing intimacy and love
without feeling the need to "prove" something. =A0It's just life.
Why do I get the feeling you think I initiated this discussion? If
that's what you think, you're as wrong as you usually are.
You're agitated and you're paranoid.
We're all pilgrims here in one form or another. =A0Some don't know where=
they're going until they get there. =A0Bon Voyage.
And if someone were to ask you why you believe in God, what would you
say?
I'd only carry on the conversation if, after I looked deeply into
their heart, I could see that there'd be an honest and pleasant
conversation. What would be said would spontaneously key off the
chemistry in the encounter.
I don't carry talking points with me everywhere I go.
I don't savor arguing, nor am I obsessed with winning and domination.
I like interaction and chemistry. There are obvious roadblocks to
that if the person you're speaking with doesn't see what you see.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
25 Jan 2008 09:30:55 PM |
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On Jan 25, 5:36 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:41 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 25, 2:57 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
How did this thread get off the discussion of two grasping, clawing,
lying weasels and get into proving the existence of God?
All you have to do is look back through the thread and see who first
raised the issue in this thread. And by the way, oh exalted one, no
one is trying to *prove* the existence of God. In fact, I specifically
said I am not trying to do that.
I haven't been following this thread closely and I don't particularly
care about what you're trying to do.
As always, I was responding to the posts of others.
Now we don't necessarily have to prove that Bill and Hill are corrupt,
meanspirited people that will say or do anything to achieve power.
There's lots and lots of history that reveals their nature. They're
human, you can see them, if you're astute enough you can peer into
their hearts and be properly repulsed.
Yes, a "fine" Christian like you knows how to peer into the hearts of
others. I've noticed that about you -- and you're frequently wrong.
You'd only know that for sure if I was wrong about you
I see. Is that because you're a "fine" Christian, and only "fine"
Christians like you have the ability to see into the hearts of
others?
and I haven't been wrong about you once, Herr Doktor.
Luke 18:9-14
It's a little different with God. God is all revelation and there's
an introduction that's needed. And if you don't or won't see Him,
it's ok. It's up to you. He's obviously not interested in shoving
something down your throat. You should happily live your life.
Without that introduction or experience He isn't seen, there is no
revelation. So there is no reason to argue about something that isn't
seen.
If you've had the experience, and some of us experience every moment
of every day, then we can carry on plumbing the depths of immaculate,
eternal order and structure and all encompassing intimacy and love
without feeling the need to "prove" something. It's just life.
Why do I get the feeling you think I initiated this discussion? If
that's what you think, you're as wrong as you usually are.
You're agitated and you're paranoid.
No, just clarifying for you that I didn't initiate the conversation it
seems you thought I did.
We're all pilgrims here in one form or another. Some don't know where
they're going until they get there. Bon Voyage.
And if someone were to ask you why you believe in God, what would you
say?
I'd only carry on the conversation if, after I looked deeply into
their heart, I could see that there'd be an honest and pleasant
conversation.
I tried that. I decided to find out if they were sincere in their
questioning of me. I got my answer.
What would be said would spontaneously key off the
chemistry in the encounter.
I don't carry talking points with me everywhere I go.
I don't savor arguing, nor am I obsessed with winning and domination.
I like interaction and chemistry. There are obvious roadblocks to
that if the person you're speaking with doesn't see what you see.
Or had absolutely no intention of seeing what he pretended to ask for.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Clinton doing what he does Best! |
26 Jan 2008 03:36:32 AM |
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On 26 Jan, 03:30, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"Or had absolutely no intention of seeing what he pretended to ask
for."
That doesn't make sense. How may a person 'pretend to ask' for
something? There was no pretence. I asked you. The motive for asking
may be questioned, not the act.
But you are American..like Dani. Ah well.
Werewolfy
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