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User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
Date: 23 Sep 2004 12:24:27 PM
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Interesting little article ... a fun read.
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Bush must answer for Iraq
'Kerry plan' is irrelevant until Bush notices reality
No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are bad.
The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear
intent to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United
Nations sanctions were lifted.
But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of
large-scale weapons program at the time America invaded.
The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a classified
National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case scenario
for Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political,
economic and security stability.
Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by
another in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and insurgents
in Ramadi -- and those were just the major incidents. American casualties
have risen every month since the June handover of political authority to the
interim government.
We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as they
took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the
beheading of two American hostages.
As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of optimism,
reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have
free and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.
So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John
Kerry 30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot wound
to the head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key Republicans
concerned.
On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged
the president to be more forthcoming with the American people
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious
mistakes." In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq,
McCain added that the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd
like to see."
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction, using
"incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble in
Iraq."
The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the
concerns about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.
How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical
thinking reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.
It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail,
"The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent reports
and actions on the ground contradict that notion.
The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat to
the United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of
Ahmed Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops
required to provide stability; and that we would be greeted as liberators.
In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the evil
of Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure that
one out?
Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's
plan?"
How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president
that is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by
this administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do not
include a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from European
allies and further loss of life.
More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable for
his actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their
respective Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion Mike
Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."
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User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 01:19:53 PM
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message news:<BFD4d.26571$pA.1601116@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Bush must answer for Iraq

Nope that would be a dictatorship - let the people of Iraq vote in
their own and let them all have a piece of the answer - for Iraq. that
is the pres.'s plan.
BTW: Did you hear the soundbite that Kerry said the day, or day after,
Hussein was brought up out of the spider hole? It has been all over
talk radio - funny how C-'BS' and NBC *Conveniently* lost the tape? ;)
Let me paraphrase: 'Any person who thinks that the War in Iraq and
getting Saddam Hussein out of power was a bad thing then that person
is not fit to be the President of the United States.'
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What the hell does that mean? Can't wait for *them debates.* I hope
'W' brings his tape player and has the volume set to LOUD ;)
.

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 23 Sep 2004 12:28:41 PM
BTW for those that might be interested, I've passed through a full month
without smokes or any nicotine in my system.
It would've have been closer to 2 months if not for 3 smokes I had a month
ago ... so there ya go!
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
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Interesting little article ... a fun read.

-------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17737

Bush must answer for Iraq
'Kerry plan' is irrelevant until Bush notices reality


No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are bad.

The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear
intent to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United
Nations sanctions were lifted.

But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of
large-scale weapons program at the time America invaded.

The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a classified
National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case

scenario

for Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political,
economic and security stability.

Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by
another in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and

insurgents

in Ramadi -- and those were just the major incidents. American casualties
have risen every month since the June handover of political authority to

the

interim government.

We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as

they

took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the
beheading of two American hostages.

As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of

optimism,

reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have
free and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.

So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John
Kerry 30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot

wound

to the head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key

Republicans

concerned.

On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged
the president to be more forthcoming with the American people

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious
mistakes." In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq,
McCain added that the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd
like to see."

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations

Committee,

criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction, using
"incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble

in

Iraq."

The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the
concerns about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.

How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical
thinking reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.

It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail,
"The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent

reports

and actions on the ground contradict that notion.

The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat

to

the United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of
Ahmed Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops
required to provide stability; and that we would be greeted as liberators.

In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the

evil

of Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure

that

one out?

Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's
plan?"

How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president
that is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by
this administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do

not

include a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from

European

allies and further loss of life.

More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable for
his actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their
respective Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion Mike
Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."


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User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 05:24:00 AM
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:28:41 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

BTW for those that might be interested, I've passed through a full month
without smokes or any nicotine in my system.

It would've have been closer to 2 months if not for 3 smokes I had a month
ago ... so there ya go!

Have you started getting those nauseating coughs yet?

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:BFD4d.26571$pA.1601116@news20.bellglobal.com...

Interesting little article ... a fun read.

-------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17737

Bush must answer for Iraq
'Kerry plan' is irrelevant until Bush notices reality


No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are bad.

The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear
intent to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United
Nations sanctions were lifted.

But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of
large-scale weapons program at the time America invaded.

The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a classified
National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case

scenario

for Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political,
economic and security stability.

Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by
another in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and

insurgents

in Ramadi -- and those were just the major incidents. American casualties
have risen every month since the June handover of political authority to

the

interim government.

We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as

they

took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the
beheading of two American hostages.

As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of

optimism,

reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have
free and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.

So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John
Kerry 30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot

wound

to the head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key

Republicans

concerned.

On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged
the president to be more forthcoming with the American people

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious
mistakes." In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq,
McCain added that the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd
like to see."

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations

Committee,

criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction, using
"incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble

in

Iraq."

The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the
concerns about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.

How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical
thinking reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.

It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail,
"The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent

reports

and actions on the ground contradict that notion.

The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat

to

the United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of
Ahmed Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops
required to provide stability; and that we would be greeted as liberators.

In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the

evil

of Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure

that

one out?

Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's
plan?"

How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president
that is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by
this administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do

not

include a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from

European

allies and further loss of life.

More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable for
his actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their
respective Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion Mike
Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."


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User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 06:40:30 AM
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:28:41 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

BTW for those that might be interested, I've passed through a full month
without smokes or any nicotine in my system.

It would've have been closer to 2 months if not for 3 smokes I had a

month

ago ... so there ya go!


Have you started getting those nauseating coughs yet?

NO! Thank F**king God ... I was clearing my throat with the odd little
'oyster' popping out, but lately everything seems to have settled down ...
the airways are feeling good ... again.
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User: "Jane"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 07:49:13 AM
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:28:41 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

BTW for those that might be interested, I've passed through a full

month

without smokes or any nicotine in my system.

It would've have been closer to 2 months if not for 3 smokes I had a

month

ago ... so there ya go!


Have you started getting those nauseating coughs yet?


NO! Thank F**king God ... I was clearing my throat with the odd little
'oyster' popping out, but lately everything seems to have settled down ...
the airways are feeling good ... again.

Congratulations! I never had those coughs and I smoked heavily for 15
years...just lucky, I guess, because snot in any form makes me gag and even
throw up! Keep up the good work!
Jane
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User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 08:12:48 AM
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:28:41 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

BTW for those that might be interested, I've passed through a full

month

without smokes or any nicotine in my system.

It would've have been closer to 2 months if not for 3 smokes I had a

month

ago ... so there ya go!


Have you started getting those nauseating coughs yet?


NO! Thank F**king God ... I was clearing my throat with the odd little
'oyster' popping out, but lately everything seems to have settled down

....

the airways are feeling good ... again.

Congratulations! I never had those coughs and I smoked heavily for 15
years...just lucky, I guess, because snot in any form makes me gag and

even

throw up! Keep up the good work!

Jane


Thank yuh thank yuh thank yuh very much ....
I'm thinkin' this is *the* quit ... every decade in my life had a 'change'
happen ... '20's moved out on my own and lived cheap, cheap, cheap ( only
cycled ... no car. That way I could still afford to par-tee ). '30's
marraige, college, career, family, ... '40's major career transitions and a
serious focus on personal health, back to cycling...
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User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 08:09:53 AM
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:40:30 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:


"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:28:41 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

BTW for those that might be interested, I've passed through a full month
without smokes or any nicotine in my system.

It would've have been closer to 2 months if not for 3 smokes I had a

month

ago ... so there ya go!


Have you started getting those nauseating coughs yet?


NO! Thank F**king God ... I was clearing my throat with the odd little
'oyster' popping out, but lately everything seems to have settled down ...
the airways are feeling good ... again.

The last time I stopped for longer than a month I developed a cough
which made me think I'd spew. Sorta like gagging without the gag.
;-)
Needless to say, I started smoking again.
.




User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 05:25:12 AM
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:24:27 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Interesting little article ... a fun read.

-------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17737

Bush must answer for Iraq
'Kerry plan' is irrelevant until Bush notices reality


No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are bad.

The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear
intent to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United
Nations sanctions were lifted.

But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of
large-scale weapons program at the time America invaded.

The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a classified
National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case scenario
for Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political,
economic and security stability.

Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by
another in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and insurgents
in Ramadi -- and those were just the major incidents. American casualties
have risen every month since the June handover of political authority to the
interim government.

We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as they
took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the
beheading of two American hostages.

As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of optimism,
reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have
free and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.

So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John
Kerry 30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot wound
to the head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key Republicans
concerned.

On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged
the president to be more forthcoming with the American people

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious
mistakes." In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq,
McCain added that the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd
like to see."

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction, using
"incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble in
Iraq."

The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the
concerns about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.

How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical
thinking reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.

It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail,
"The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent reports
and actions on the ground contradict that notion.

The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat to
the United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of
Ahmed Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops
required to provide stability; and that we would be greeted as liberators.

In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the evil
of Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure that
one out?

Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's
plan?"

How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president
that is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by
this administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do not
include a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from European
allies and further loss of life.

More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable for
his actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their
respective Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion Mike
Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."

Those anti-semite, treacherous, republican weasels! How dare they go
against their commander-in-chief like that!
.
User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 06:42:03 AM
"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:24:27 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Interesting little article ... a fun read.

-------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17737

Bush must answer for Iraq
'Kerry plan' is irrelevant until Bush notices reality


No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are

bad.


The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear
intent to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United
Nations sanctions were lifted.

But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of
large-scale weapons program at the time America invaded.

The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a

classified

National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case

scenario

for Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political,
economic and security stability.

Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by
another in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and

insurgents

in Ramadi -- and those were just the major incidents. American casualties
have risen every month since the June handover of political authority to

the

interim government.

We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as

they

took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the
beheading of two American hostages.

As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of

optimism,

reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have
free and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.

So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John
Kerry 30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot

wound

to the head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key

Republicans

concerned.

On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged
the president to be more forthcoming with the American people

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious
mistakes." In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq,
McCain added that the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe

we'd

like to see."

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations

Committee,

criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction, using
"incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble

in

Iraq."

The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the
concerns about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.

How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical
thinking reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.

It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail,
"The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent

reports

and actions on the ground contradict that notion.

The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat

to

the United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of
Ahmed Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops
required to provide stability; and that we would be greeted as

liberators.


In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the

evil

of Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure

that

one out?

Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's
plan?"

How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president
that is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by
this administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do

not

include a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from

European

allies and further loss of life.

More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable

for

his actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their
respective Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion

Mike

Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."


Those anti-semite, treacherous, republican weasels! How dare they go
against their commander-in-chief like that!

They were the ones who refused to take the Blood Oath of personal allegiance
to Bush ....
Time for a purge I believe of the Senate and Congress ...
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Title: Re: Bush must answer for Iraq 25 Sep 2004 08:12:52 AM
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:42:03 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:24:27 -0400, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Interesting little article ... a fun read.

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http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17737

Bush must answer for Iraq
'Kerry plan' is irrelevant until Bush notices reality


No matter what prism one looks through, the recent events in Iraq are

bad.


The New York Times reported last week that a new report on Iraq's illicit
weapons program is expected to conclude that Saddam Hussein had a clear
intent to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if the United
Nations sanctions were lifted.

But, like former top U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's report 11 months
earlier stated, it finds no evidence that Iraq had begun any type of
large-scale weapons program at the time America invaded.

The New York Times also reported that President Bush received a

classified

National Intelligence Estimate in July that suggests the best case

scenario

for Iraq through the end of 2005 is "tenuous" in terms of political,
economic and security stability.

Last week, 47 Iraqis were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad, 11 slain by
another in Baquba, eight dead in a clash between U.S. troops and

insurgents

in Ramadi -- and those were just the major incidents. American casualties
have risen every month since the June handover of political authority to

the

interim government.

We also witnessed last week that insurgents became even more brazen as

they

took civilian workers from their homes, which has already led to the
beheading of two American hostages.

As Iraq burns, our Nero-esque commander in chief plays the tune of

optimism,

reminding those who attend his campaign rallies that Iraq will soon have
free and fair elections, and is on the road to democracy.

So, while we obsess with the whereabouts of President Bush and Sen. John
Kerry 30 years ago, and CBS tries to survive a self-inflicted gunshot

wound

to the head, Americans continue to die in a war that now has key

Republicans

concerned.

On three different Sunday news shows, different Republican senators urged
the president to be more forthcoming with the American people

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told Fox News on Sunday, "We made serious
mistakes." In terms of the president communicating the problems in Iraq,
McCain added that the president was "perhaps not as straight as maybe

we'd

like to see."

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Senate Foreign Relations

Committee,

criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction, using
"incompetence" as one of his adjectives. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.,
lamented on CBS's "Face the Nation," "The fact is, we're in deep trouble

in

Iraq."

The critiques of three well-respected Republican senators elevate the
concerns about the war beyond a mere red-state, blue-state affair.

How many more 19-, 20- and 21-year-olds must die before we are willing to
demand that the president be more forthcoming? Any modicum of critical
thinking reveals that America has strayed from its raison d'etre.

It is easy to declare, as the president often does on the campaign trail,
"The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein in jail," but recent

reports

and actions on the ground contradict that notion.

The president was wrong about weapons of mass destruction; Iraq's threat

to

the United States; links between Saddam and al-Qaida; the reliability of
Ahmed Chalabi; that Iraqi oil would pay for the war; the number of troops
required to provide stability; and that we would be greeted as

liberators.


In fact, the only thing that the president has been right about is the

evil

of Saddam Hussein. Did we need over 1,000 American casualties to figure

that

one out?

Yet, the response from supporters of the war is, "What is John Kerry's
plan?"

How can we debate Kerry's plan, or lack thereof, when we have a president
that is not forthcoming about reality? Given the circumstances created by
this administration, Kerry, like the president, has few options that do

not

include a sustained American presence in Iraq, little support from

European

allies and further loss of life.

More than a plan, we need a president who is willing to be accountable

for

his actions. Both candidates rhetorically have plans; just go to their
respective Web sites. But in the words of former heavyweight champion

Mike

Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit."


Those anti-semite, treacherous, republican weasels! How dare they go
against their commander-in-chief like that!


They were the ones who refused to take the Blood Oath of personal allegiance
to Bush ....

Time for a purge I believe of the Senate and Congress ...

We need another "Night of the Long Knives", urgently! I'll petition
the president for an executive order immediately.
Achtung baby!
.




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