It is a privilege not to be hated for your nationality, and we should
not relinquish it lightly
By NAOMI KLEIN
Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - Page A21
In Baghdad, every encounter we had was a bit like going through
customs.
"American?" was the inevitable first question.
"No, no, Canadian," our over-eager reply.
Sometimes our word wasn't good enough and our interrogators wanted
proof.
We'd pull out our passports for inspection.
On their faces, you could often see a cloud of rage pass over. Women
would sometimes let themselves smile. Kids would stop acting like
mini-commandos and run off and play.
Don't get me wrong: Canadians aren't loved in Iraq; we just aren't, so
far as I could tell, actively loathed.
So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the prospect of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who so longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United States, "doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that "the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
If the Conservatives are given the chance to turn Canada into more of
a card-carrying combatant in Mr. Bush's disastrous war on terrorism
than we are already, the little bit of grace I encountered in Iraq
will quickly disappear. When I go back, showing my passport to the ad
hoc inspectors could well have a very different effect.
I was in Iraq in April, at a pivotal moment when the United States
decided to wage two pre-emptive wars within a pre-emptive war, one
against the resistance in Fallujah, the other against Muqtada al-Sadr
in Najaf and Sadr City. The Los Angeles Times estimates that 800
Iraqis have been killed in the past nine weeks of U.S. attacks on Sadr
City, even more than the 600 estimated to have died in the siege on
Fallujah.
As mosques were desecrated, prisoners tortured and children killed, I
witnessed George Bush's awesome enemy-manufacturing machine up close.
Hatred of Americans soared, not just in Iraq but also in neighbouring
countries.
The retaliation began immediately: a wave of kidnappings of
foreigners, now so common they barely make the news. The change in
mood was palpable.
Anti-Americanism was no longer a sentiment; it was an uncontrollable
force of nature. Being Canadian didn't let us off the hook; we were
still part of an ugly invasion of foreign soldiers, contractors and
journalists traipsing through the country and taking what wasn't ours:
lives, jobs, oil, stories, photographs. The kidnappers didn't usually
discriminate based on nationality.
But being Canadian, or more specifically, not being American, did
sometimes open up a little window. It gave people who were suffering
permission to glimpse the humanity behind our nationality. And the
overwhelming majority of Iraqis I met -- even, miraculously, those who
had just lost children and spouses to U.S. weapons -- were profoundly
grateful for that reprieve, relieved not to have to hate. I, of
course, was even more grateful, since being not-American kept me out
of serious danger more than once.
It is a privilege not to be hated for your nationality, and we should
not relinquish it lightly. George Bush has denied that privilege to
his own people, and Stephen Harper would cavalierly strip it from
Canadians by erasing what few small but important differences remain
between Canadian and U.S. foreign policy. The danger posed by this act
is not just about whether Canadians are safe when we travel to the
Middle East. The hatred that Mr. Bush is manufacturing there, for the
United States and its coalition partners, is already following the
soldiers home.
I have felt that hatred in Iraq, and trust me: We don't want to
experience it here in Canada. Or don't trust me, trust the citizens of
Spain, who decided in their March elections that they are not willing
to accept the blowback from George Bush's wars, that they don't want
these multiplying enemies to be their enemies too. Or the citizens of
the United Kingdom, who just battered Tony Blair's Labour Party in
last week's local elections, furious at being dragged into a war that
has made them less safe. Or the citizens of Australia, who are about
to send the same message to John Howard. Or even the citizens of the
United States, 55 per cent of whom now disapprove of Mr. Bush's
performance in Iraq, according to a recent Los Angles Times poll.
Yet just as the rest of the world is finally saying "no more,"
Canadians are poised to elect a party that is saying "me too."
The hawks in Washington like to paint Canada as a freeloader, mooching
off their expensive military protection, the continent's weak link on
terrorism. The truth is that around the world, it is blind government
complicity with U.S. foreign policy, precisely the kind of complicity
advocated by Mr. Harper, that is putting civilians in the line of
terror. It is the United States that is the weak link.
Before I went to Iraq, a seasoned war correspondent who had spent a
year reporting from Baghdad gave me his best piece of security advice.
"Stay away from Americans, they're bad for your health." He wasn't
being anti-American (he's an American citizen and supported the war);
he was just being practical. In Iraq, that advice means you don't want
to ride in the U.S. convoys or embed with U.S. troops. You keep your
distance and stay independent. At this perilous moment in history, the
same principle applies at home: Canadian security depends on our
ability to maintain meaningful sovereignty from the United States.
Being inside the U.S. security fortress isn't a missile shield, it's a
missile magnet.
As long as the United States continues to act as a global aggressor,
the best way for us to stay healthy is to stay as far away as from
Americans as possible.
With 8,890 kilometres of shared border, geographical distance is not
an option. Fortunately, political distance still is. Let's not
surrender it.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
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It is a privilege not to be hated for your nationality, and we should
not relinquish it lightly
By NAOMI KLEIN
Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - Page A21
In Baghdad, every encounter we had was a bit like going through
customs.
"American?" was the inevitable first question.
"No, no, Canadian," our over-eager reply.
Sometimes our word wasn't good enough and our interrogators wanted
proof.
We'd pull out our passports for inspection.
On their faces, you could often see a cloud of rage pass over. Women
would sometimes let themselves smile. Kids would stop acting like
mini-commandos and run off and play.
Don't get me wrong: Canadians aren't loved in Iraq; we just aren't, so
far as I could tell, actively loathed.
So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the prospect of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who so longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United States, "doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that "the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
If the Conservatives are given the chance to turn Canada into more of
a card-carrying combatant in Mr. Bush's disastrous war on terrorism
than we are already, the little bit of grace I encountered in Iraq
will quickly disappear. When I go back, showing my passport to the ad
hoc inspectors could well have a very different effect.
I was in Iraq in April, at a pivotal moment when the United States
decided to wage two pre-emptive wars within a pre-emptive war, one
against the resistance in Fallujah, the other against Muqtada al-Sadr
in Najaf and Sadr City. The Los Angeles Times estimates that 800
Iraqis have been killed in the past nine weeks of U.S. attacks on Sadr
City, even more than the 600 estimated to have died in the siege on
Fallujah.
As mosques were desecrated, prisoners tortured and children killed, I
witnessed George Bush's awesome enemy-manufacturing machine up close.
Hatred of Americans soared, not just in Iraq but also in neighbouring
countries.
The retaliation began immediately: a wave of kidnappings of
foreigners, now so common they barely make the news. The change in
mood was palpable.
Anti-Americanism was no longer a sentiment; it was an uncontrollable
force of nature. Being Canadian didn't let us off the hook; we were
still part of an ugly invasion of foreign soldiers, contractors and
journalists traipsing through the country and taking what wasn't ours:
lives, jobs, oil, stories, photographs. The kidnappers didn't usually
discriminate based on nationality.
But being Canadian, or more specifically, not being American, did
sometimes open up a little window. It gave people who were suffering
permission to glimpse the humanity behind our nationality. And the
overwhelming majority of Iraqis I met -- even, miraculously, those who
had just lost children and spouses to U.S. weapons -- were profoundly
grateful for that reprieve, relieved not to have to hate. I, of
course, was even more grateful, since being not-American kept me out
of serious danger more than once.
It is a privilege not to be hated for your nationality, and we should
not relinquish it lightly. George Bush has denied that privilege to
his own people, and Stephen Harper would cavalierly strip it from
Canadians by erasing what few small but important differences remain
between Canadian and U.S. foreign policy. The danger posed by this act
is not just about whether Canadians are safe when we travel to the
Middle East. The hatred that Mr. Bush is manufacturing there, for the
United States and its coalition partners, is already following the
soldiers home.
I have felt that hatred in Iraq, and trust me: We don't want to
experience it here in Canada. Or don't trust me, trust the citizens of
Spain, who decided in their March elections that they are not willing
to accept the blowback from George Bush's wars, that they don't want
these multiplying enemies to be their enemies too. Or the citizens of
the United Kingdom, who just battered Tony Blair's Labour Party in
last week's local elections, furious at being dragged into a war that
has made them less safe. Or the citizens of Australia, who are about
to send the same message to John Howard. Or even the citizens of the
United States, 55 per cent of whom now disapprove of Mr. Bush's
performance in Iraq, according to a recent Los Angles Times poll.
Yet just as the rest of the world is finally saying "no more,"
Canadians are poised to elect a party that is saying "me too."
The hawks in Washington like to paint Canada as a freeloader, mooching
off their expensive military protection, the continent's weak link on
terrorism. The truth is that around the world, it is blind government
complicity with U.S. foreign policy, precisely the kind of complicity
advocated by Mr. Harper, that is putting civilians in the line of
terror. It is the United States that is the weak link.
Before I went to Iraq, a seasoned war correspondent who had spent a
year reporting from Baghdad gave me his best piece of security advice.
"Stay away from Americans, they're bad for your health." He wasn't
being anti-American (he's an American citizen and supported the war);
he was just being practical. In Iraq, that advice means you don't want
to ride in the U.S. convoys or embed with U.S. troops. You keep your
distance and stay independent. At this perilous moment in history, the
same principle applies at home: Canadian security depends on our
ability to maintain meaningful sovereignty from the United States.
Being inside the U.S. security fortress isn't a missile shield, it's a
missile magnet.
As long as the United States continues to act as a global aggressor,
the best way for us to stay healthy is to stay as far away as from
Americans as possible.
With 8,890 kilometres of shared border, geographical distance is not
an option. Fortunately, political distance still is. Let's not
surrender it.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
news:40d07cac.514942838@ct-news.iafrica.com...
So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the prospect of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who so
longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United States,
"doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that "the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
At least Naomi Klein isn't so delusional as to suggest every credible
opinion poll as being "biased". Don't you think it's about time you took
your head out of your own *****, Jane?
eric.
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
news:40d07cac.514942838@ct-news.iafrica.com...
So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the prospect of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who so
longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United States,
"doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that "the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the
invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
At least Naomi Klein isn't so delusional as to suggest every credible
opinion poll as being "biased". Don't you think it's about time you took
your head out of your own *****, Jane?
From one poll in Macleans to "every credible opinion poll"...quite a leap
there, eric! Bet your going to LOVE the poll on June 28! I know I am!
Jane
eric.
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
news:40d07cac.514942838@ct-news.iafrica.com...
So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the prospect
of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who so
longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United States,
"doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that
"the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the
invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
At least Naomi Klein isn't so delusional as to suggest every credible
opinion poll as being "biased". Don't you think it's about time you
took
your head out of your own *****, Jane?
From one poll in Macleans to "every credible opinion poll"...quite a leap
there, eric! Bet your going to LOVE the poll on June 28! I know I am!
Jane
eric.
From one poll? You mean the one, single poll that you yourself referred
to? Now I don't recall you referring to any other "unbiased" poll, Jane.
Doesn't look like you found any. Yet one must assume that you think all the
polls are biased, since they all quite clearly indicated the Canadian
majority opposition to the war. To say such an idiotic thing, and to
actually believe it, as you do, quite clearly shows your head really is UP
your *****. Total Denial, babe in face of hard cold facts. And I have no
idea what that has to do with the Canadian election, except perhaps it's one
of your frequent attempts to change the subject - as you always tend to do,
when the location of your head is so clearly pointed out to you.
eric.
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the prospect
of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who so
longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United States,
"doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that
"the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the
invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
At least Naomi Klein isn't so delusional as to suggest every credible
opinion poll as being "biased". Don't you think it's about time you
took
your head out of your own *****, Jane?
From one poll in Macleans to "every credible opinion poll"...quite a leap
there, eric! Bet your going to LOVE the poll on June 28! I know I am!
Jane
eric.
From one poll? You mean the one, single poll that you yourself referred
to? Now I don't recall you referring to any other "unbiased" poll, Jane.
Doesn't look like you found any. Yet one must assume that you think all the
polls are biased, since they all quite clearly indicated the Canadian
majority opposition to the war. To say such an idiotic thing, and to
actually believe it, as you do, quite clearly shows your head really is UP
your *****. Total Denial, babe in face of hard cold facts. And I have no
idea what that has to do with the Canadian election, except perhaps it's one
of your frequent attempts to change the subject - as you always tend to do,
when the location of your head is so clearly pointed out to you.
eric.
Truth be told, I said Macleans was a biased source. I also said that
if you get out of the city, you will find there are more people who
think like I do than you might believe. You jumped to the conclusion
that I believed "all polls" to be biased! Suit yourself!
And I wasn't changing the subject. The subject was polls, was it not?
Actually the subject was the idiocy of Naomi Klein...I've read plenty
of her drivel and that is my opinion.
And I'm not your, or anyone's, "babe", Crosbie.
Jane
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the
prospect
of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man who
so
longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he
called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the House
of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United
States,
"doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so eager
to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed that
"the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the
invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
At least Naomi Klein isn't so delusional as to suggest every
credible
opinion poll as being "biased". Don't you think it's about time you
took
your head out of your own *****, Jane?
From one poll in Macleans to "every credible opinion poll"...quite a
leap
there, eric! Bet your going to LOVE the poll on June 28! I know I
am!
Jane
eric.
From one poll? You mean the one, single poll that you yourself
referred
to? Now I don't recall you referring to any other "unbiased" poll,
Jane.
Doesn't look like you found any. Yet one must assume that you think all
the
polls are biased, since they all quite clearly indicated the Canadian
majority opposition to the war. To say such an idiotic thing, and to
actually believe it, as you do, quite clearly shows your head really is
UP
your *****. Total Denial, babe in face of hard cold facts. And I have no
idea what that has to do with the Canadian election, except perhaps it's
one
of your frequent attempts to change the subject - as you always tend to
do,
when the location of your head is so clearly pointed out to you.
eric.
Truth be told, I said Macleans was a biased source. I also said that
if you get out of the city, you will find there are more people who
think like I do than you might believe. You jumped to the conclusion
that I believed "all polls" to be biased! Suit yourself!
And I wasn't changing the subject. The subject was polls, was it not?
Actually the subject was the idiocy of Naomi Klein...I've read plenty
of her drivel and that is my opinion.
And I'm not your, or anyone's, "babe", Crosbie.
Jane
Jane, babe, you ignorant *****;
I referred to what the MAJORITY of Canadians felt regarding the war from
the start go. You know this, yet your head-up-you-***** syndrome tends to make
you try to alter the context. Nice try to muddle the waters, in talking
about certain regions, but as usual, that is beside the point. The point
is, was, and always will be that the Majority of Canadians were against the
war. End of Story. This was an indisputable fact, which YOU called biased
by quoting the Macleans poll. And still you have not given any other source
for a poll that said otherwise. Obviously, by your rather laboured
reasoning, ALL the Polls must be biased, since they all said the same thing.
You're still in denial, girl! The fact that you, and your country bumpkins
(the minority) disagree with the Majority is simply a fact you must live
with. Whether you continue to deny it or not, it does not change the facts..
eric.
P.S. Don't flatter yourself, babe. I never said you were mine. That's like
saying I want Anne Coulter!! Sheesh! Give me a break!
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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So it's wrenching being back in Canada confronting the
prospect
of
Stephen Harper as our next prime minister. This is a man
who
so
longed
to join George W. Bush's coalition of the willing that he
called
former defence minister John McCallum an "idiot" in the
House
of
Commons, declaring we should be in Iraq with the United
States,
"doing
everything necessary to win." This is a man who was so
eager
to
"support the war effort" that he went on Fox and claimed
that
"the
silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive" of the
invasion,
defying the findings of every credible opinion poll.
Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo and Fences.
Naomi Klein is also an idiot.
Jane
At least Naomi Klein isn't so delusional as to suggest every
credible
opinion poll as being "biased". Don't you think it's about time
you
took
your head out of your own *****, Jane?
From one poll in Macleans to "every credible opinion poll"...quite a
leap
there, eric! Bet your going to LOVE the poll on June 28! I know I
am!
Jane
eric.
From one poll? You mean the one, single poll that you yourself
referred
to? Now I don't recall you referring to any other "unbiased" poll,
Jane.
Doesn't look like you found any. Yet one must assume that you think
all
the
polls are biased, since they all quite clearly indicated the Canadian
majority opposition to the war. To say such an idiotic thing, and to
actually believe it, as you do, quite clearly shows your head really
is
UP
your *****. Total Denial, babe in face of hard cold facts. And I have
no
idea what that has to do with the Canadian election, except perhaps
it's
one
of your frequent attempts to change the subject - as you always tend
to
do,
when the location of your head is so clearly pointed out to you.
eric.
Truth be told, I said Macleans was a biased source. I also said that
if you get out of the city, you will find there are more people who
think like I do than you might believe. You jumped to the conclusion
that I believed "all polls" to be biased! Suit yourself!
And I wasn't changing the subject. The subject was polls, was it not?
Actually the subject was the idiocy of Naomi Klein...I've read plenty
of her drivel and that is my opinion.
And I'm not your, or anyone's, "babe", Crosbie.
Jane
Jane, babe, you ignorant *****;
I referred to what the MAJORITY of Canadians felt regarding the war from
the start go. You know this, yet your head-up-you-***** syndrome tends to
make
you try to alter the context. Nice try to muddle the waters, in talking
about certain regions, but as usual, that is beside the point. The point
is, was, and always will be that the Majority of Canadians were against
the
war. End of Story. This was an indisputable fact, which YOU called
biased
by quoting the Macleans poll. And still you have not given any other
source
for a poll that said otherwise. Obviously, by your rather laboured
reasoning, ALL the Polls must be biased, since they all said the same
thing.
You're still in denial, girl! The fact that you, and your country
bumpkins
(the minority) disagree with the Majority is simply a fact you must live
with. Whether you continue to deny it or not, it does not change the
facts..
And the point I made in the first place was that Naomi Klein was an idiot.
Nothing to do with polls.
When you disparage "country bumpkins", you forget who puts the food on your
table. When or if the ***** hits the fan, at least we'll be well-fed! My
farming grandparents did a lot better during the depression than those who
were in the cities.
eric.
P.S. Don't flatter yourself, babe. I never said you were mine. That's
like
saying I want Anne Coulter!! Sheesh! Give me a break!
Don't worry, I wouldn't have a twit like you anyway. Just keep the
condescending remarks to yourself and try to disagree in a civil manner,
Jane
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18 Jun 2004 05:32:30 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<8lrAc.34832$nY.1117364@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Hey Jane. You know Davis is barmy, don't you?
He really knows how to address a lady. What 'nice' expressions he has.
He had been restrained somewhere, but I suppose he managed to chew
through the straps. Never mind, they'll cart him away again soon.
Now he will start calling me baby names..maybe 'little doggy' or
something. How terrifying ;)
Ricky
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18 Jun 2004 10:21:00 AM |
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(Werewolfy) wrote in message news:<85ebfda0.0406180232.222c6fc0@posting.google.com>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<8lrAc.34832$nY.1117364@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Hey Jane. You know Davis is barmy, don't you?
He really knows how to address a lady. What 'nice' expressions he has.
He had been restrained somewhere, but I suppose he managed to chew
through the straps. Never mind, they'll cart him away again soon.
Now he will start calling me baby names..maybe 'little doggy' or
something. How terrifying ;)
Ricky
Don't worry, I know eric! He used to call me "Jane, you ignorant
*****", but since he doesn't like me anymore, he calls me "babe". Go
figure! Our politics differ and we're both Canadians, so he feels the
need to attack me. Oh well, as long as he's enjoying himself! :)
Jane
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18 Jun 2004 05:48:55 PM |
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(Jane) Spat the Words
RickyColeclough@aol.com (Werewolfy) wrote in message
news:<85ebfda0.0406180232.222c6fc0@posting.google.com>...
"Jane" < > wrote in message
news:<8lrAc.34832$nY.1117364@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Hey Jane. You know Davis is barmy, don't you?
He really knows how to address a lady. What 'nice' expressions he
has.
He had been restrained somewhere, but I suppose he managed to chew
through the straps. Never mind, they'll cart him away again soon.
Now he will start calling me baby names..maybe 'little doggy' or
something. How terrifying ;)
Ricky
Don't worry, I know eric! He used to call me "Jane, you ignorant
*****", but since he doesn't like me anymore, he calls me "babe". Go
figure! Our politics differ and we're both Canadians, so he feels the
need to attack me. Oh well, as long as he's enjoying himself! :)
Not sure if anyone is aware of it, but the phrase 'Jane you
ignorant *****' was made famous on an old Saturday Night Live
comedy skit called 'Count, Pointer-Count' (it was a spoof on
the media mini-debate called 'Point, Counter-Point'.
In the skit, a woman named Jane would make her side of the
argument, then the other person, a man, usually played by
Chevy Chase or Bill Murray, would start his argument with
'Jane you ignorant *****' (in a very straight face and even
tone of voice, then a pause, usually getting lots of laughs).
Jane
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18 Jun 2004 10:35:04 PM |
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No, I didn't know that !!!!!
I will have to file that in my Wallyfiles for future reference ;-)
Hooroo ;-)
Uncle Wal ;-)
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18 Jun 2004 07:54:04 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:48:55 GMT, "R. Foreman"
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) Spat the Words
RickyColeclough@aol.com (Werewolfy) wrote in message
news:<85ebfda0.0406180232.222c6fc0@posting.google.com>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<8lrAc.34832$nY.1117364@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Hey Jane. You know Davis is barmy, don't you?
He really knows how to address a lady. What 'nice' expressions he
has.
He had been restrained somewhere, but I suppose he managed to chew
through the straps. Never mind, they'll cart him away again soon.
Now he will start calling me baby names..maybe 'little doggy' or
something. How terrifying ;)
Ricky
Don't worry, I know eric! He used to call me "Jane, you ignorant
*****", but since he doesn't like me anymore, he calls me "babe". Go
figure! Our politics differ and we're both Canadians, so he feels the
need to attack me. Oh well, as long as he's enjoying himself! :)
Not sure if anyone is aware of it, but the phrase 'Jane you
ignorant *****' was made famous on an old Saturday Night Live
comedy skit called 'Count, Pointer-Count' (it was a spoof on
the media mini-debate called 'Point, Counter-Point'.
In the skit, a woman named Jane would make her side of the
argument, then the other person, a man, usually played by
Chevy Chase or Bill Murray, would start his argument with
'Jane you ignorant *****' (in a very straight face and even
tone of voice, then a pause, usually getting lots of laughs).
Yeah, I knew that :) ! In fact, I used to watch it as a teenager (now
I'm dating myself, haha). Actually, I asked eric one time if he
couldn't come up with anything more original!
Jane
Jane
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19 Jun 2004 03:11:55 AM |
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Jane <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<li37d0t4kltejepbfrk4dqoo3klrf9seal@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:48:55 GMT, "R. Foreman"
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) Spat the Words
RickyColeclough@aol.com (Werewolfy) wrote in message
news:<85ebfda0.0406180232.222c6fc0@posting.google.com>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<8lrAc.34832$nY.1117364@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Hey Jane. You know Davis is barmy, don't you?
He really knows how to address a lady. What 'nice' expressions he
has.
He had been restrained somewhere, but I suppose he managed to chew
through the straps. Never mind, they'll cart him away again soon.
Now he will start calling me baby names..maybe 'little doggy' or
something. How terrifying ;)
Ricky
Don't worry, I know eric! He used to call me "Jane, you ignorant
*****", but since he doesn't like me anymore, he calls me "babe". Go
figure! Our politics differ and we're both Canadians, so he feels the
need to attack me. Oh well, as long as he's enjoying himself! :)
Not sure if anyone is aware of it, but the phrase 'Jane you
ignorant *****' was made famous on an old Saturday Night Live
comedy skit called 'Count, Pointer-Count' (it was a spoof on
the media mini-debate called 'Point, Counter-Point'.
In the skit, a woman named Jane would make her side of the
argument, then the other person, a man, usually played by
Chevy Chase or Bill Murray, would start his argument with
'Jane you ignorant *****' (in a very straight face and even
tone of voice, then a pause, usually getting lots of laughs).
Yeah, I knew that :) ! In fact, I used to watch it as a teenager (now
I'm dating myself, haha). Actually, I asked eric one time if he
couldn't come up with anything more original!
Jane
Jane
Sometimes it's safe to use the old clichés.,..eller hur?
WH
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