I was waiting for someone to post this so I can debunk it (as I always do).
Where is Jane? Jean? Gave up?
I guess I myself have to post counter evidence and debunk it too.
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Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front
Muslim singer criticized Judaism as a 'so-called' religion
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=572cea4b-839c-4080-9999-f53611a46aba
Stewart Bell
National Post
Tuesday, September 28, 2004
TORONTO - Yusuf Islam, the British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was
the guest of honour at a Toronto fundraising dinner hosted by an
organization that has since been identified by the Canadian government as a
"front" for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
In a videotape of the 1998 event obtained by the National Post, Mr. Islam
describes Israel as a "so-called new society" created by a "so-called
religion" and urges the audience to donate to the Jerusalem Fund for Human
Services to "lessen the suffering of our brothers and sisters in Palestine
and the Holy Land."
The Jerusalem Fund is one of four "fronts" named in a secret Privy Council
Office memo that was sent to Jean Chretien, then prime minister, on May 23,
2000, discussing what it called groups that "have unsavoury links with
terrorism.
"In a limited number of cases, fundraising in support of violent foreign
struggles takes place in Canada through the cover of ethnic, religious or
community-based associations and groups, lobbying and even criminal
activity," the report says.
"Front groups operating in Canada include the Jerusalem Fund for Human
Services (Hamas Front), the World Tamil Movement (Tamil Tigers Front), the
Canadian Kurdish Information Network (Kurdistan Workers Party Front) and the
Babbar Khalsa (a Sikh extremist front)."
Hamas, also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement, is responsible for
most of the suicide bombings against Israelis. Canada has outlawed Hamas
under federal anti-terrorism legislation, making it illegal to support the
group.
Best known for his hit songs in the 1960s and '70s, when he was known as Cat
Stevens, Mr. Islam, 56, a Muslim convert, made headlines last week when his
flight from London to Washington was diverted to Maine because his name
appeared on a U.S. watch list.
He was expelled from the United States for national security reasons. "Yusuf
Islam was placed on the watch list because of activities that could be
potentially related to terrorism," a spokesman for the Department of
Homeland Security told reporters.
The expulsion was criticized by Muslim groups, and Mr. Islam denies any ties
to terrorism. "I never knowingly gave any terrorist group money," he said
after being deported from Israel in 2000. "I've given to poor people and
hospitals. I've helped to buy ambulances in the Holy Land. Obviously quite
clear and supportable aims."
But on June 20, 1998, Mr. Islam gave the keynote address at a Jerusalem Fund
fundraising dinner held in Toronto. The event was videotaped, and a copy was
obtained by the SITE Institute, a U.S. terrorism research organization.
The video opens with a scene of Niagara Falls, overlayed with the Jerusalem
Fund logo, which features the al-Aqsa Mosque and the maple leaf. It begins
with an unidentified man explaining the activities of the Jerusalem Fund,
which he describes as "helping the Muslims in Palestine" by financing
hospitals, health clinics, families in need and orphans.
"Palestine is close to the heart of each and every Muslim. What the Muslims
of Palestine have been doing for many years now has been that bright light
shining, that hope ... that they are still believers that can raise the
banner of jihad in the most difficult of circumstances."
Mr. Islam then begins a 45-minute speech in English in which he says it is
"intolerable" for Muslims to "stand and watch" the situation in the Middle
East. He describes Jerusalem as the centre of a land that is holy because of
its connection to Allah.
"So this city which is blessed because of its religious nature. Therefore,
what we see today is the result of the departure of religion from this area,
of the uprooting of religion. So many of the people of the faith have been
exiled from this region, moved on, to make way for what? Strangely and
ironically, they moved on in the name of so-called religion, on behalf of
.... the Jews.
"Of course, that would explain what is happening. Because the moment that
religion and religious virtues disappear, there for sure follows trouble,
tyranny, oppression," he says. "So what do we see then today? The concoction
of a so-called new society based on an old society."
He says there could be "no redeemer except Allah. No political concept or
construct or treaty or agent except the laws of Allah, which he instructed
for this world. Jerusalem is that, the symbol of that. Out of the hands of
the righteous then it falls into disrepute and blood.
"Jerusalem, al-Quds, it is a mirror reflecting the reality ... If it is
dark, if it is bloody, then so too is the world. Today it reflects injustice
of the secular man over the religious man. And how can the secular man be
given the control and the sanctuary of the divine place of worship when he
doesn't even respect what is holy? How? And how can those of faith allow
that to happen? Therefore, peace will not return until we return to the Holy
Land."
© National Post 2004
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29 Sep 2004 08:21:38 PM |
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AK a écrit:
I was waiting for someone to post this so I can debunk it (as I always do).
Where is Jane? Jean? Gave up?
I guess I myself have to post counter evidence and debunk it too.
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Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front
Muslim singer criticized Judaism as a 'so-called' religion
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=572cea4b-839c-4080-9999-f53611a46aba
Stewart Bell
National Post
Tuesday, September 28, 2004
TORONTO - Yusuf Islam, the British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was
the guest of honour at a Toronto fundraising dinner hosted by an
organization that has since been identified by the Canadian government as a
"front" for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
There you go. But... you debunk yourself now?
Thank you very much.
J.
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30 Sep 2004 05:10:52 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:CcJ6d.5003$Du2.1310@edtnps89...
There you go. But... you debunk yourself now?
It's something he's learned from you, I expect.
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29 Sep 2004 03:50:30 PM |
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In article <dg0ll0hifpuiproundc531b3duk1u38rt9@4ax.com>, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
I was waiting for someone to post this so I can debunk it (as I always do).
Where is Jane? Jean? Gave up?
I guess I myself have to post counter evidence and debunk it too.
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Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front
Muslim singer criticized Judaism as a 'so-called' religion
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=572cea4b-839c-40
80-9999-f53611a46aba
Stewart Bell
National Post
Tuesday, September 28, 2004
TORONTO - Yusuf Islam, the British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was
the guest of honour at a Toronto fundraising dinner hosted by an
organization that has since been identified by the Canadian government as a
"front" for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
Well, that doesn't mean anything in itself, but it could be sufficient to get on
a US Govt list. By definition, a "front" is designed to keep people from
knowing whats really going on.
Woods
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29 Sep 2004 10:23:08 PM |
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(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<qeF6d.99990$Kt5.94056@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
Well, that doesn't mean anything in itself, but it could be sufficient to get on
a US Govt list. By definition, a "front" is designed to keep people from
knowing whats really going on.
Right! Like Toy-manufacture donations ( events by radicals) that were
for toys-toybombs used in Yugoslavia and other parts of the world like
Afghanistan.
Canada eventually figured it out - they don't want him either. ;)
Woods
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29 Sep 2004 10:59:00 PM |
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On 29 Sep 2004 20:23:08 -0700, (Michael Johnathan
McDonald) wrote:
Canada eventually figured it out
Prove this claim.
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| User: "AK" |
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29 Sep 2004 04:42:30 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:40:09 GMT, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front
Muslim singer criticized Judaism as a 'so-called' religion
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=572cea4b-839c-4080-9999-f53611a46aba
Stewart Bell
National Post
Even if the story is true (and it's too early to be sure), the Jerusalem Fund
for Human Services was federally incorporated Not-For-Profit charitable
organization for 10 years. As far as I know, the accusation against the group
first appeared in 2003. It's connection with Hamas was certainly not known in
1998, and even right now it's unclear.
Being a guest of a Federally Incorporated (by the Government of Canada)
Not-For-Profit charitable organization doesn't make you a terror supporter.
As for the direct quotes by Cat Stevens in the article, I see no proof anywhere
where Cat Stevens supported terrorism. The quotes only show that he is a very
religious person. That doesn't make you a terrorist or terror supporter.
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29 Sep 2004 08:27:52 PM |
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AK a écrit:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:40:09 GMT, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
Cat Stevens was guest of Canadian Hamas front
Muslim singer criticized Judaism as a 'so-called' religion
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=572cea4b-839c-4080-9999-f53611a46aba
Stewart Bell
National Post
Even if the story is true (and it's too early to be sure), the Jerusalem Fund
You debunk your own debunking now? LOL
J.
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29 Sep 2004 04:54:38 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:42:30 GMT, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
Being a guest of a Federally Incorporated (by the Government of Canada)
Not-For-Profit charitable organization doesn't make you a terror supporter.
To add a point: all it shows is that Cat Stevens was uninformed, just like the
Government of Canada in 1998.
Still waiting for proof.
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29 Sep 2004 07:33:51 AM |
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"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ag1ll0lhrbn9fi6a7ngou22jr6enhgl4md@4ax.com...
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:42:30 GMT, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
Being a guest of a Federally Incorporated (by the Government of Canada)
Not-For-Profit charitable organization doesn't make you a terror
supporter.
To add a point: all it shows is that Cat Stevens was uninformed, just like
the
Government of Canada in 1998.
The government of Canada is STILL uninformed! (Sarcasm) Right now, we have
a member of a Mozambique death squad, a proven islamic terrorist and Ernst
Zundel all tying up our courts fighting for refugee status, when they should
be on the next plane back home! And these are only the ones we know about!
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Artic
le_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1096324214469
That the gov't would give charitable status to a terrorist front
organization is no surprise to this cynical Canadian!
BTW, where's the part where you debunk the article?
Jane
Still waiting for proof.
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29 Sep 2004 06:55:58 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<PYx6d.8534$MD5.772023@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Jane I heard on the local radio news that Stevens in his speech said
that the Jews have a 'so-called religion' - thus implying its false
legitimacy.
People can have a fatwa called upon them for dissing statement like
that if it went the other way. They showed links to Hamas funding by
him in a new (80s90s) scam that involved ambulances which are a big
part of Hamas's terror operations - it is a good way to hide the
evidence from morons who cannot understand that *some* medical
donations was a front for terrorist activities.
Also, three nations -Canada, Israel and America all have him banned
from entering - at least that's what I heard on the news. So is all
these nations wrong and he is right that he is not supporting
terrorism? - sounds suspicious to me. And the State department said
he was recently put on the list for his uncovering of donations to
Hamas.
Maybe he like to talk about Islamic law and justify its ramifications
for submit of desist? ;)
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29 Sep 2004 08:41:02 PM |
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On 29 Sep 2004 16:55:58 -0700, (Michael Johnathan
McDonald) wrote:
Jane I heard on the local radio news that Stevens in his speech said
that the Jews have a 'so-called religion' - thus implying its false
legitimacy.
Every religious Jew would say that Jesus was a false messiah. Most Christians
would call Islam a false religion.
That's not supporting terrorism. That expressing opinion.
Also, three nations -Canada, Israel and America all have him banned
from entering - at least that's what I heard on the news.
Canada?
That's the first time I heard it.
Prove it.
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| User: "Kim M" |
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19 Oct 2004 02:54:45 AM |
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It is interesting that you say this AK
Most 'Muslim' religions give more 'validity' to Christ as being a messenger
of 'The Almighty', than the 'Jewish' religions will even acknowledge.
Christianity and The Following of Islam are really not that far apart !!!
Just a thought !!!
"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:skoml050urgt0s640gjlf5rl7cm9p84gn7@4ax.com...
On 29 Sep 2004 16:55:58 -0700, (Michael Johnathan
McDonald) wrote:
Jane I heard on the local radio news that Stevens in his speech said
that the Jews have a 'so-called religion' - thus implying its false
legitimacy.
Every religious Jew would say that Jesus was a false messiah. Most
Christians
would call Islam a false religion.
That's not supporting terrorism. That expressing opinion.
Also, three nations -Canada, Israel and America all have him banned
from entering - at least that's what I heard on the news.
Canada?
That's the first time I heard it.
Prove it.
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| User: "tw" |
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20 Oct 2004 03:11:05 AM |
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"Kim M" <MILLER#K,2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:5J3dd.21864$J16.821356@news20.bellglobal.com...
It is interesting that you say this AK
Most 'Muslim' religions give more 'validity' to Christ as being a
messenger
of 'The Almighty', than the 'Jewish' religions will even acknowledge.
Christianity and The Following of Islam are really not that far apart !!!
Indeed, same *****, different bucket. Like Santa Claus and teh tooth fairy
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29 Sep 2004 10:00:24 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:33:51 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote:
BTW, where's the part where you debunk the article?
Here is the part:
"Being a guest of a Federally Incorporated Not-For-Profit charitable
organization doesn't make you a terror supporter. All it shows is that Cat
Stevens was uninformed, just like the Government [AND EVERYONE ELSE INCLUDING
THE NEWSPAPER] in 1998."
That part debunks the article.
Unless you knowingly give money to a terrorist group, you can't be blamed for
supporting terrorism. If you believe that you are giving money to feed
children, how can you be accused of supporting terrorism? Explain.
Where was your response to that argument? I didn't see it.
Also, I have yet to see proof that Jerusalem Fund for Human Services is a front
for Hamas, as the article claims. The group is still operating in Canada,
despite the fact that 31 other groups were banned by the government.
But lets assume that the information in the article is correct (and there is no
reason to believe it is correct), even then, there was no way Cat Stevens would
have known this in 1998. Even the newspaper and the journalist who wrote the
article didn't know it in 1998 (according to the dates mentioned in the
article).
That's not a proof that Cat Stevens ever knowingly gave money to a charity that
was supporting terrorism.
If you can't see how this debunks the article, then maybe you are just too
stupid? In not, post logical arguments (like I have done above) to prove
otherwise.
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