Cen.3,Qua.40 The crucifixion so long ago
The great theater will come to be set up again,
The dice cast and the nets already thrown.
Too much the first one will tire of the warnings,
By arches fallen long ago pinned together.
Fendus = to burst, to split, to rive.
Rivet = a malleable metal pin or bolt used to fasten pieces together.
Cen.3,Qua.46 The Warning
The sky (of the city of fallen arches) forebodes to us
through clear signs and fixed stars,
That the time of its sudden change is approaching,
Neither for its good, nor for its evil.
Plancus (latin) = flatfooted = fallen arches.
Unfortunately (for the inhabitants) not the city of Lyon in south/central
France.
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| User: "Tadapope" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.3,Qua.40 Fendus = to rive =To rivet or pin together. |
18 Dec 2004 07:24:54 PM |
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I did rivet myself together by pulling my own pin and it was all good too!
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
Tom
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.3,Qua.40 Fendus = to rive =To rivet or pin together. |
18 Dec 2004 04:23:00 PM |
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I don't really understand what it is you are trying to tell us, or is
just a random Q or 2 but for the reader a Le Vert might benchmark this:
C III -Q40 Le grand theatre se viendra redresser:
Le dez get=E9, et les rets ia tendus.
Trop le premier en glaz viendra lasser
Par arcs prostraits de long temps ia fendus.
The great theatre shall be set up again, The dice thrown and the nets
stretched. The prince shall be very weary of [hearing] the death knell;
Lying down, they defend themselves for a long time with bows.
Line 4. For 'ia fendus' (already split) reading 'defendus' (defended).
War in terms of a gladiatorial game.
C III -Q46 Le ciel (de Plancus la cit=E9) nous presaige
Par clairs insignes et par estoiles fixes,
Que de son change subit s'aproche l'aage,
Ne pour son bien, ne pour ses malefices.
The heavens (of Plancus's city) foretell to us By clear signs and by
fixed stars
That the age is rapidly approaching its change/transition; Neither
because of its good nor because of its evil.
CIIIQ 46. The parenthesis in line 1 is rather confusing, but it is
uniform in all texts. Apparently the verse marks another prophecy of
doom for Lyons, similar to that of C2Q83.
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.3,Qua.40 Fendus = to rive =To rivet or pin together. |
18 Dec 2004 02:41:26 PM |
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On 18 Dec 2004 15:12:53 GMT, (JimGem3015)
wrote about quatrains III-40 and III-46:
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---------------- C E N T V R I E___T I E R C E. --------------
---------------------- (édition de 1555) ---------------------
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---- 40 - Le grand theatre se viendra redresser: -------------
--------- Le dez geté,& les rets ia tendus. ------------------
--------- Trop le premier en glaz viendra lasser, ------------
--------- Par arcs prostraits de log temps ia fendus. --------
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---- 46 - Le ciel(de Plancus la cité)nous presaige -----------
--------- Par clairs insignes & par estoiles fixes, ----------
--------- Que de son change subit s'aproche l'aage, ----------
--------- Ne pour son bien,ne pour ses malefices. ------------
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When decyphering this last quatrain, I had already understood
that Nostradamus' entire poetry was encyphered. Many times had I
noticed that some words in the original poetry were strong clues
to some words of the hidden prose.
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Looking at III-46, however, it appeared to me that Nostradamus
was deliberately using parentheses to show his translator (that's
how he refers to the one who 'translates' his poetry into prose)
that he, Nostradamus, intended in some instances to use
parentheses in the so far hidden texts. As he already had done so
with his use of the question mark or the exclamation mark in some
other quatrain, his use of parentheses appeared to serve the very
same purpose: to show the style he had often used in his hidden
texts.
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Back to III-46, this obscure way of referring to astrology did
pave the way for the decyphered text:
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--------- L'astrologie est bien plus receuë dans -------------
--------- les païs estrangers, l'est moins en France, --------
--------- oncques l'est à Paris (la cité en danger) ----------
--------- qui niera que mon Oracle est en prose. -------------
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This short sentence summarizes perfectly the state of mind of the
French with respect to astrology and, by extension, with respect
to Nostradamus' decyphered prophecy in prose.
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In approximate English, with asterisks between words no longer
used or spelled thus: 'Astrology is much more *accepted* in
*foreign* *lands*, much less in France, *never* in Paris (the
city in danger) which shall deny that my Oracle is in prose.'
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Here, Nostradamus attempts to explain why the good people of
Paris cannot possibly accept his Oracle about the destruction of
the city, as Paris is the worst place in the world to accept
things like astrology, let alone the idea that Nostradamus'
published poetry is hiding that Oracle in prose.
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The reader will note that the decyphered prose does use
parentheses in the very same manner as they are used in the
original poetry, thereby showing *why* Nostradamus used them in
the original line 1. French-speaking readers will also have no
difficulty seeing that they are perfectly useless in the original
line 1, as it could very well have been written without them. But
Nostradamus' lesson would have been lost and I might never have
guessed that his style often required parentheses to be correctly
decyphered.
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As to line 2, I was not displeased to see Nostradamus using, in
the decyphered text, the Provençal word for "pays" = "païs".
After all, he was from Provence and... I am not! :-)
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Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
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Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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