Cen.8, Qua.95 Hitler, Himmler, and the Swastika.
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (English)
The seducer will be placed in the dungeon,
And bound for some time:
The clerk joins the chief with his cross,
The sharp right will attract the grateful.
Documented history:
After World War I, Adolf Hitler with his fiery oratory, and speeches of racial
superiority, seduced a militant, defeated, angry, and growingly grateful German
population. In 1923 after the abortive Munich Putsch, (a minor staged
rebellion) Adolf Hitler spent nine months in prison, during which time he began
writing Mein Kampf.
Cen.8, Qua. 95 Lines 1 & 2:
"The seducer will be placed in the dungeon, and bound for some time". TRUE
Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945) as military commander of the SS became the second
most powerful man in Third Reich, answering only to Adolf Hitler. The son of a
pious, authoritarian Roman Catholic schoolmaster who had once been tutor to the
Bavarian Crown Prince, Himmler was educated at a secondary school in Landshut.
He served as an officer cadet in the Eleventh Bavarian Regiment at the end of
World War I, later obtaining a diploma in agriculture from Munich Technical
High School where he studied from 1918 to 1922. After working briefly as a
salesman for a firm of fertilizer manufacturers Himmler joined militant
rightist organizations where he joined Hitler.
Heinrich Himmler, during his time as a fertilizer salesman would be known as a
clerk.
A cross - with a sharp right hand turn at each end - would resemble a swastika.
A right-handed cross, or swastika, became the emblem of the Nazi Party, and was
displayed by all of Hitler's adoring loyalists.
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 Lines 3 & 4:
"The clerk joins the chief with his cross, the sharp right will attract the
grateful". TRUE
NOTE: Nostradamus completed numerous other prophecies about Hitler where the
surname of this infamous Nazi is spelled with a transposition of the l and t,
appearing as Hilter. By employing the use of the stylized long S, which appears
strikingly similar to a stylized L, Nostradamus convinced a stubborn, and
confused following that these important prophecies were referring to the river
Hister.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.8, Qua. 95 Hitler, Himmler, and the Swastika. |
16 Feb 2004 07:49:49 PM |
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(JimGem3015) wrote in message news:<20040216083237.13001.00002524@mb-m02.aol.com>...
Cen.8, Qua.95 Hitler, Himmler, and the Swastika.
Who's interpretation? Yours?
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (English)
The seducer will be placed in the dungeon,
And bound for some time:
The clerk joins the chief with his cross,
The sharp right will attract the grateful.
Documented history:
After World War I, Adolf Hitler with his fiery oratory, and speeches of racial
superiority, seduced a militant, defeated, angry, and growingly grateful German
population. In 1923 after the abortive Munich Putsch, (a minor staged
rebellion) Adolf Hitler spent nine months in prison, during which time he began
writing Mein Kampf.
Cen.8, Qua. 95 Lines 1 & 2:
"The seducer will be placed in the dungeon, and bound for some time". TRUE
Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945) as military commander of the SS became the second
most powerful man in Third Reich, answering only to Adolf Hitler. The son of a
pious, authoritarian Roman Catholic schoolmaster who had once been tutor to the
Bavarian Crown Prince, Himmler was educated at a secondary school in Landshut.
He served as an officer cadet in the Eleventh Bavarian Regiment at the end of
World War I, later obtaining a diploma in agriculture from Munich Technical
High School where he studied from 1918 to 1922. After working briefly as a
salesman for a firm of fertilizer manufacturers Himmler joined militant
rightist organizations where he joined Hitler.
Heinrich Himmler, during his time as a fertilizer salesman would be known as a
clerk.
A cross - with a sharp right hand turn at each end - would resemble a swastika.
A right-handed cross, or swastika, became the emblem of the Nazi Party, and was
displayed by all of Hitler's adoring loyalists.
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 Lines 3 & 4:
"The clerk joins the chief with his cross, the sharp right will attract the
grateful". TRUE
NOTE: Nostradamus completed numerous other prophecies about Hitler where the
surname of this infamous Nazi is spelled with a transposition of the l and t,
appearing as Hilter. By employing the use of the stylized long S, which appears
strikingly similar to a stylized L, Nostradamus convinced a stubborn, and
confused following that these important prophecies were referring to the river
Hister.
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| User: "JimGem3015" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.8, Qua. 95 Hitler, Himmler, and the Swastika. |
16 Feb 2004 09:54:38 PM |
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Who's interpretation? Yours?
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Is this a complete question?
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.8, Qua. 95 Hitler, Himmler, and the Swastika. |
17 Feb 2004 05:49:31 PM |
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JimGem3015 a écrit:
Who's interpretation? Yours?
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Is this a complete question?
He means: "Whose interpretation?".
Do you make these up yourself or are they exclusively from other exegetes, ofr a
little bit of both?
Meanwhile at least I can tell you one thing on this quatrain, it is more likely
about the devil, "the seductor" as if you remember the beginning of Chapter 20
of the Apocalypse (especially, but also the end of Chapter 19, anyway), chapter
20, verse 1-3, it speaks of Satan being thrown in the *abyss*, which the angel
closed (key and sealed) so that he could no more **seduce** the nations (until
the 1000 years were over). Here of course the one with the crozier, will be the
pope(s) (& church) of these times who will work hand in hand with the leader(s)
(& governements) of these times... We have quite a while to go for this one. :-)
J.
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| User: "JimGem3015" |
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17 Feb 2004 09:45:40 PM |
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JimGem3015 a écrit:
Who's interpretation? Yours?
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Is this a complete question?
He means: "Whose interpretation?".
Do you make these up yourself or are they exclusively from other exegetes,
ofr a
little bit of both?
Meanwhile at least I can tell you one thing on this quatrain, it is more
likely
about the devil, "the seductor" as if you remember the beginning of Chapter
20
of the Apocalypse (especially, but also the end of Chapter 19, anyway),
chapter
20, verse 1-3, it speaks of Satan being thrown in the *abyss*, which the
angel
closed (key and sealed) so that he could no more **seduce** the nations
(until
the 1000 years were over). Here of course the one with the crozier, will be
the
pope(s) (& church) of these times who will work hand in hand with the
leader(s)
(& governements) of these times... We have quite a while to go for this one.
:-)
J.
Oh....the devil is in our hearts and our actions. Only God exists. But that's
for another day...
My interpretations begin with and are mostly Leoni, then are checked by Hogue,
who provides a visualization of the original type setting...then on to
dictionaries, and texts on various histories, pop - out come the maps....and
then for the difficult ones I view the crude but often illuminating -
literalist Roberts. Viewing the entralls often helps. ;)
JIM
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Cen.8, Qua. 95 Hitler, Himmler, and the Swastika. |
19 Feb 2004 11:07:10 PM |
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JimGem3015 a écrit:
JimGem3015 a écrit:
Who's interpretation? Yours?
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Is this a complete question?
He means: "Whose interpretation?".
Do you make these up yourself or are they exclusively from other exegetes,
ofr a
little bit of both?
Meanwhile at least I can tell you one thing on this quatrain, it is more
likely
about the devil, "the seductor" as if you remember the beginning of Chapter
20
of the Apocalypse (especially, but also the end of Chapter 19, anyway),
chapter
20, verse 1-3, it speaks of Satan being thrown in the *abyss*, which the
angel
closed (key and sealed) so that he could no more **seduce** the nations
(until
the 1000 years were over). Here of course the one with the crozier, will be
the
pope(s) (& church) of these times who will work hand in hand with the
leader(s)
(& governements) of these times... We have quite a while to go for this one.
:-)
J.
Oh....the devil is in our hearts and our actions. Only God exists. But that's
for another day...
My interpretations begin with and are mostly Leoni, then are checked by Hogue,
who provides a visualization of the original type setting...then on to
dictionaries, and texts on various histories, pop - out come the maps....and
then for the difficult ones I view the crude but often illuminating -
literalist Roberts. Viewing the entralls often helps. ;)
JIM
You should check the ultimate research on all the quatrains made with the
connotation of the original texts, after cross-referencing all serious French
exegetes and studying all of history, which was published by us ans is
summarized in a couple of line on my site.
Unless you believe those here who demean our work, and who disrespect serious
exegetes anyway...
Like for instance, one pretending the prophecies are about past events that were
plagiarized by Nostradamus (Lemesurier) and the other, playing scrabble with
the prophecies (Latrémouille).
Anyway. Leaving all these remarks aside, assuming you are aware of my work, I
can add that your Leoni/Hogue/Roberts research doesn't lack interest. But
despite the interpretation, the nuance of the language may sometimes be what is
missed with them and may add the little something which may allow one to see the
big picture.
So don't take it personal if I, myself, show (sometimes crudely perhaps) what
appears much more obvious to me, and why...
TC.
J.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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20 Feb 2004 02:36:35 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<2CgZb.681094$9p3.128507@news.easynews.com>...
JimGem3015 a écrit:
and JimGem3015 a écrit:
Who's interpretation? Yours?
Cen. 8, Qua. 95 (French)
Le seducteur sera mis en la fosse,
Et attaché jusqu'a quelque temps:
Le clerc uni le chef avec sa crosse,
Piquante droite attraira les contents
Is this a complete question?
He means: "Whose interpretation?".
Do you make these up yourself or are they exclusively from other exegetes,
ofr a
little bit of both?
Meanwhile at least I can tell you one thing on this quatrain, it is more
likely
about the devil, "the seductor" as if you remember the beginning of Chapter
20
of the Apocalypse (especially, but also the end of Chapter 19, anyway),
chapter
20, verse 1-3, it speaks of Satan being thrown in the *abyss*, which the
angel
closed (key and sealed) so that he could no more **seduce** the nations
(until
the 1000 years were over). Here of course the one with the crozier, will be
the
pope(s) (& church) of these times who will work hand in hand with the
leader(s)
(& governements) of these times... We have quite a while to go for this one.
:-)
J.
Finally people talking about Nostradamus. I believe that in the last
month and a half I have seen more talk about him ( Discussions of him
and his work) than any time from when I first began here.
Oh....the devil is in our hearts and our actions. Only God exists. But that's
for another day...
My interpretations begin with and are mostly Leoni, then are checked by Hogue,
who provides a visualization of the original type setting...then on to
dictionaries, and texts on various histories, pop - out come the maps....and
then for the difficult ones I view the crude but often illuminating -
literalist Roberts. Viewing the entralls often helps. ;)
Like Jean says.., studding a wider variety helps in little clues. For
example, I was woken up from a dozy because of one little
interpretation from a little un known author about the Kosovo region.
The rest of the small book was less interesting, but as far as I am
concerned he nailed that quatrain to its significance.
Dosey: sleep,napping, not awake
JIM
You should check the ultimate research on all the quatrains made with the
connotation of the original texts, after cross-referencing all serious French
exegetes and studying all of history, which was published by us ans is
summarized in a couple of line on my site.
Unless you believe those here who demean our work, and who disrespect serious
exegetes anyway...
Like for instance, one pretending the prophecies are about past events that were
plagiarized by Nostradamus (Lemesurier) and the other, playing scrabble with
the prophecies (Latrémouille).
Anyway. Leaving all these remarks aside, assuming you are aware of my work, I
can add that your Leoni/Hogue/Roberts research doesn't lack interest. But
despite the interpretation, the nuance of the language may sometimes be what is
missed with them and may add the little something which may allow one to see the
big picture.
So don't take it personal if I, myself, show (sometimes crudely perhaps) what
appears much more obvious to me, and why...
TC.
J.
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