"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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James a écrit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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James a écrit:

Century 4, Quatrain 84
Mars and Venus conjoined at sunrise.

French:
Un grand d'Auxerre mourra bien miserable,
Chasse' de ceux qui soubz luy ont est'e:
Serre' de chaines, apres d'un rude cable,
En l'an que Mars, Venus, & Sol mis en est'e.

Luy = lui = he, it, to him, to her
ont = (plural, present, indicative) = avoir = to have, to possess, to
experience "their own".
soubz = Nostradamian: soubres = soubresant = "to plunge".
ester = pronounced es'te = est'e = "to appear in court".
Est'e in line 4 originally "est" = east.

English:
A great (part) of Auxerre will die very miserably,
Expelled with those that plunged to their own judgment:
Clasped in chains, (confined) behind a strong cable,
In the year that Mars, Venus, and (the) Sun are placed in (the) east.

The sun is in the east at sunrise.

This says in modern French in fact "mis en été", it is a conjunction of
Mars, Venus and the Sun in one of the Summer's constellation, i.e.
Gemini, Cancer, Leo. The last one to occur was on June 23rd, 2000. But no
great one of Auxerre (Auxois) died. This is about the miserable end of a
great one of this French county, who will be evicted of his post by the
very ones that were submitted to him beforehand, and his death would
result from a long imprisonment. This is likely about this war of the
future against islamic forces... For example one could think of 3,93
(fall of Paris), or 3,45 (Tolose profanation of temples), 3,46 (Lyon
trials at the same moment), and 3,92 (Destruction of Narbonne) as
related. But again, events will have to take some shape before one can
definitely peg that potential occurrence.

J.

You know as well as I do that most editions, including those accepted by
Peter Lemesurier, John Hogue, and even the much maligned Henry Roberts
have in their editions "est'e at the end of both lines two and four.
Erica Cheetham also includes "est'e as the correct printing of Quatrain
4-84. Most online presentations of the various editions also accept
'est'e as the correct wording of this important prophecy.
Only time will tell us for sure, as Nostradamus has indicated.

line 2 and line 4 spell esté, both in French would be été They es to
replace the accent that came later). But that is what the three editions
say. This is a fact. Look at the recognized original editions:
http://www.propheties.it/no/quarta%20centuria/c4q84.htm

So I don't know exactly where these exegetes got their editions texts, I
look into 5 others we have in our collection and they all say "en esté",
but one (1644) "ioints esté" (leaves out the en), and the 1697 one, which
is a copy as well but worded in more modern French, which says "joints en
été" as we would read it today. So I don't know where they get their
stuff. Sorry.

Anything else than summer anyway would make no sense in the sentence, it
has to be esté.

J.

Unless these planets were to be seen in the sky where the sun rises. That
would be in the East. Of course for that to apply, Nostradamus would have to
openly declare that his conjunctions are relative to the star positions in
the evening sky, i.e. Astronomy, and not Astrology. Oh, that's right, he
does just that.... doesn't he?