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User: "jha_amin"
Date: 16 Jan 2004 03:55:19 PM
Object: Cheney's grim vision:
It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be any way out.
war on terrorism may last generations.
Cheney's grim visionCheney's grim vision: decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat
James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004
Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.
The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World
Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by
senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the
war on terrorism.
Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic
policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his
domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.
Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization
of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it
demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a
major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are
required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the
president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note
and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage
the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.
"One of the legacies of this administration will be some of the most
sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy
as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're
based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since
World War II," Cheney said. "I think the changes are that dramatic."
He also said the administration was planning to expand the military
into even more overseas bases so the United States could wage war
quickly around the globe.
"Scattered in more than 50 nations, the al Qaeda network and other
terrorist groups constitute an enemy unlike any other that we have
ever faced, " he said. "And as our intelligence shows, the terrorists
continue plotting to kill on an ever-larger scale, including here in
the United States."
Cheney provided no details, however, of the kinds of attacks he
expected.
Although the administration has been criticized by some, including
most of the Democratic candidates for president, for not doing enough
to eliminate known programs for developing weapons of mass destruction
in such countries as North Korea, Cheney said they were a priority and
confronted the United States with its gravest threat.
Again, he presented the risks of a terrorist attack involving these
weapons in stark terms.
"Instead of losing thousands of lives, we might lose tens or even
hundreds of thousands of lives as the result of a single attack, or a
set coordinated of attacks," Cheney said.
While polls show that many Americans support the president's
aggressive war on terrorism, he also has many critics for the way the
battle has been waged. The president initially justified the war in
Iraq by saying that Saddam Hussein had active programs to develop
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The United States has yet to
find evidence of such programs since overthrowing Hussein and
installing a military occupation, prompting questions about the
president's agenda and the quality of intelligence he is receiving.
In addition, an expert at the U.S. Army War College, Jeffrey Record,
recently released a 62-page analysis that concluded the war in Iraq
might have set back American efforts to stop terrorists by diverting
precious resources to a battle that will do little to prevent new
attacks.
As a result, Record concluded, the war on terrorism "lacks strategic
clarity, embraces unrealistic objectives and may not be sustainable
over the long haul."
But in his speech Wednesday, Cheney compared this moment to the
challenges faced by President Harry Truman at the beginning of the
Cold War, when there was a hot war flaring on the Korean Peninsula and
a long-term nuclear standoff developing with the Soviet Union.
Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.
E-mail James Sterngold : decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat
James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004
Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.
The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World
Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by
senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the
war on terrorism.
Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic
policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his
domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.
Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization
of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it
demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a
major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are
required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the
president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note
and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage
the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.
"One of the legacies of this administration will be some of the most
sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy
as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're
based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since
World War II," Cheney said. "I think the changes are that dramatic."
He also said the administration was planning to expand the military
into even more overseas bases so the United States could wage war
quickly around the globe.
"Scattered in more than 50 nations, the al Qaeda network and other
terrorist groups constitute an enemy unlike any other that we have
ever faced, " he said. "And as our intelligence shows, the terrorists
continue plotting to kill on an ever-larger scale, including here in
the United States."
Cheney provided no details, however, of the kinds of attacks he
expected.
Although the administration has been criticized by some, including
most of the Democratic candidates for president, for not doing enough
to eliminate known programs for developing weapons of mass destruction
in such countries as North Korea, Cheney said they were a priority and
confronted the United States with its gravest threat.
Again, he presented the risks of a terrorist attack involving these
weapons in stark terms.
"Instead of losing thousands of lives, we might lose tens or even
hundreds of thousands of lives as the result of a single attack, or a
set coordinated of attacks," Cheney said.
While polls show that many Americans support the president's
aggressive war on terrorism, he also has many critics for the way the
battle has been waged. The president initially justified the war in
Iraq by saying that Saddam Hussein had active programs to develop
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The United States has yet to
find evidence of such programs since overthrowing Hussein and
installing a military occupation, prompting questions about the
president's agenda and the quality of intelligence he is receiving.
In addition, an expert at the U.S. Army War College, Jeffrey Record,
recently released a 62-page analysis that concluded the war in Iraq
might have set back American efforts to stop terrorists by diverting
precious resources to a battle that will do little to prevent new
attacks.
As a result, Record concluded, the war on terrorism "lacks strategic
clarity, embraces unrealistic objectives and may not be sustainable
over the long haul."
But in his speech Wednesday, Cheney compared this moment to the
challenges faced by President Harry Truman at the beginning of the
Cold War, when there was a hot war flaring on the Korean Peninsula and
a long-term nuclear standoff developing with the Soviet Union.
Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.
.

User: "Leigh_Bee"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 19 Jan 2004 04:10:10 PM
(jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0401161355.35c62c0b@posting.google.com>...

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be any way out.
war on terrorism may last generations.


Cheney's grim visionCheney's grim vision: decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat

James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004

Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.

SNIP


Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.

Funny that and the folk who reap a dividend. who would they be Carlyle
Haliburton?
Of course it has to go a long time they need an enemy, it helps keep
scrutiny to a minimum and dissent can be dealt with, and also one can
get rid of those considered a threat.
That is just for starters, nothing like a sinecure
LB
.

User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 08:21:10 AM

:


wrote:

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be >any way out. war on terrorism may

last >generations.
And you somehow think that this is news?
President Bush made it very clear back in September 2001 that this war would go
on for a long time, as long as it takes to get ever last one of the Terrorists.
Tony
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 09:47:21 AM
In article <20040117092110.24702.00000150@mb-m16.aol.com>,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

:


wrote:

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be >any way out. war on terrorism may

last >generations.

And you somehow think that this is news?

President Bush made it very clear back in September 2001 that this war would go
on for a long time, as long as it takes to get ever last one of the Terrorists.

And yet, he ignored the Terrorists to go after a hamstrung leader when his own
intelligence agencies were telling him there was no imminent threat from
Saddam Hussein.
Woods
.
User: "Ex."

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 12:44:52 PM
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:dOcOb.25267$IQ2.7586@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
: In article <20040117092110.24702.00000150@mb-m16.aol.com>,
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
: >>:

: >wrote:
: >
: >>It ain't gonna get any better
: >>and right now there doesn't seem to be >any way out. war on terrorism
may
: >last >generations.
: >
: >And you somehow think that this is news?
: >
: >President Bush made it very clear back in September 2001 that this war
would go
: >on for a long time, as long as it takes to get ever last one of the
Terrorists.
:
: And yet, he ignored the Terrorists to go after a hamstrung leader when his
own
: intelligence agencies were telling him there was no imminent threat from
: Saddam Hussein.
Yeah ... but the terrorists were trying to control the world's oil supply,
right? THAT'S why Bush went into Iraq! Guess you missed that major speech.
Oh yeah, and to bring American style democracy to for the first time to an
unwilling Muslim country ... he never mentioned WMD's ... well maybe in
passing but it was never emphasised.
/ex
.
User: "DaarkSyde"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 02:48:01 PM
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:44:52 -0500, "Ex." <Eat.Healthy@Turdmail.com>
wrote:

: >President Bush made it very clear back in September 2001 that this war
would go
: >on for a long time, as long as it takes to get ever last one of the
Terrorists.

He has a big job. He hasn't even started in his own country yet.
.


User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 01:47:32 PM
(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<dOcOb.25267$IQ2.7586@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <20040117092110.24702.00000150@mb-m16.aol.com>,
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:


President Bush made it very clear back in September 2001 that this war would go
on for a long time, as long as it takes to get ever last one of the Terrorists.


And yet, he ignored the Terrorists to go after a hamstrung leader when
his own intelligence agencies were telling him there was no imminent
threat from Saddam Hussein.

But those intelligence agencies did tell him there was a BUILDING
threat. President Clinton, Prime Minister Blair, and others thought
Saddam Hussein was a threat in 1998. After several years of
gamesmanship with the UN and its inspectors, why would anyone believe
Saddam somehow became less of a threat? At what point would you have
acted? AFTER he became an imminent threat? The idea was to stop him
BEFORE he became an immenint threat.
Retired General Wesley Clark testified before Congress that he
believed there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Prime
Minister Blair also believed that connection existed. There was the
impending threat that Saddam would give WMDs to terrorists. Saddam's
failure to cooperate with the UN only magnified the perception of that
threat.
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 02:17:17 PM
In article <a2b35e99.0401171147.1424d670@posting.google.com>,
(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<dOcOb.25267$IQ2.7586@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <20040117092110.24702.00000150@mb-m16.aol.com>,
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:


President Bush made it very clear back in September 2001 that this war would

go

on for a long time, as long as it takes to get ever last one of the

Terrorists.


And yet, he ignored the Terrorists to go after a hamstrung leader when
his own intelligence agencies were telling him there was no imminent
threat from Saddam Hussein.


But those intelligence agencies did tell him there was a BUILDING
threat. President Clinton, Prime Minister Blair, and others thought
Saddam Hussein was a threat in 1998. After several years of
gamesmanship with the UN and its inspectors, why would anyone believe
Saddam somehow became less of a threat? At what point would you have
acted? AFTER he became an imminent threat? The idea was to stop him
BEFORE he became an immenint threat.

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no evidence of any
WMDs. Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he wasn't the
one who misrepresented those intelligence reports so he could invade the country
under the guise of an imminent threat to get at their oil for his pals.


Retired General Wesley Clark testified before Congress that he
believed there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Prime
Minister Blair also believed that connection existed. There was the
impending threat that Saddam would give WMDs to terrorists. Saddam's
failure to cooperate with the UN only magnified the perception of that
threat.

A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately after Bush and Blair
misrepresented things - including myself.
Woods
.


User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 02:55:47 PM
(Woodswun) wrote:

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no
evidence of any WMDs.

You never read those Clinton speeches I posted, did you?

Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he
wasn't the one who misrepresented those intelligence reports so
he could invade the country under the guise of an imminent threat
to get at their oil for his pals.

What was PM Blair's reason?

A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately
after Bush and Blair misrepresented things - including myself.


What was PM Blair's reason?
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 04:09:03 PM
In article <a2b35e99.0401171255.69b74b79@posting.google.com>,
(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote:

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no
evidence of any WMDs.


You never read those Clinton speeches I posted, did you?

Nope. We're discussing *Bush* lying to Congress in order to invade Iraq and
hand lucrative contracts over to his buddies without going through a bidding
process - which has absolutely nuthin' to do with any speeches made by Clinton.


Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he
wasn't the one who misrepresented those intelligence reports so
he could invade the country under the guise of an imminent threat
to get at their oil for his pals.


What was PM Blair's reason?

Power. By hanging onto the coattails of the leader of the world's only
superpower, he has gained himself a much higher level of power and influence
that any other European leaders enjoy.


A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately
after Bush and Blair misrepresented things - including myself.


What was PM Blair's reason?

See above.
Woods
.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 11:48:51 PM
(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<3oiOb.28235$IQ2.20138@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <a2b35e99.0401171255.69b74b79@posting.google.com>,

(Steven Douglas) wrote:

(Woodswun) wrote:

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no
evidence of any WMDs.


You never read those Clinton speeches I posted, did you?


Nope. We're discussing *Bush* lying to Congress in order to invade Iraq and
hand lucrative contracts over to his buddies without going through a bidding
process - which has absolutely nuthin' to do with any speeches made by Clinton.

Using your "logic" it does -- since Clinton was gracious enough to set
the stage for Bush by repeatedly proclaiming the threat Saddam posed
with his WMDs.

Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he
wasn't the one who misrepresented those intelligence reports
so he could invade the country under the guise of an imminent threat
to get at their oil for his pals.

What was Clinton's reason?

A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately
after Bush and Blair misrepresented things - including myself.


What was PM Blair's reason?

Power. By hanging onto the coattails of the leader of the world's only
superpower, he has gained himself a much higher level of power and influence
that any other European leaders enjoy.


Oh, I see ... PM Blair acted against his own party's wishes and RISKED
his political career for "power" ... yeah, that makes a whole lot of
sense! He was already well respected throughout the world. He had
power BEFORE Bush became president.
Now, since you know so much about PM Blair's motives, please tell me
why he thought going after Saddam was worth RISKING his political
career?
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 18 Jan 2004 07:45:25 AM
In article <a2b35e99.0401172148.48a921cc@posting.google.com>,
(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<3oiOb.28235$IQ2.20138@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <a2b35e99.0401171255.69b74b79@posting.google.com>,

(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote:

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no
evidence of any WMDs.


You never read those Clinton speeches I posted, did you?


Nope. We're discussing *Bush* lying to Congress in order to invade Iraq and
hand lucrative contracts over to his buddies without going through a bidding
process - which has absolutely nuthin' to do with any speeches made by

Clinton.

Using your "logic" it does -- since Clinton was gracious enough to set
the stage for Bush by repeatedly proclaiming the threat Saddam posed
with his WMDs.

Well, I certainly don't recall that. I do recall a *lot* of press about his
affairs, and a few talks about keeping protecting the no-fly zone when we
bombed Iraqi radar installations, but I'm afraid the Neocons fascination with
Monica made anything along those lines fall off the radar. Clearly, nobody was
paying any mind to anything along those lines - except maybe Bush.


Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he
wasn't the one who misrepresented those intelligence reports
so he could invade the country under the guise of an imminent threat
to get at their oil for his pals.


What was Clinton's reason?

When did Clinton invade Iraq with the intent to take it over?


A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately
after Bush and Blair misrepresented things - including myself.


What was PM Blair's reason?


Power. By hanging onto the coattails of the leader of the world's only
superpower, he has gained himself a much higher level of power and influence
that any other European leaders enjoy.


Oh, I see ... PM Blair acted against his own party's wishes and RISKED
his political career for "power" ... yeah, that makes a whole lot of
sense! He was already well respected throughout the world. He had
power BEFORE Bush became president.

Now, since you know so much about PM Blair's motives, please tell me
why he thought going after Saddam was worth RISKING his political
career?

Once you're "in", you get rewarded. If you don't understand that concept, I'm
certainly not about to explain it to you.
Woods
.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 18 Jan 2004 01:10:41 PM
(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<V5wOb.36408$Su5.26576@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <a2b35e99.0401172148.48a921cc@posting.google.com>,

(Steven Douglas) wrote:

(Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<3oiOb.28235$IQ2.20138@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <a2b35e99.0401171255.69b74b79@posting.google.com>,

(Steven Douglas) wrote:

(Woodswun) wrote:

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no
evidence of any WMDs.


You never read those Clinton speeches I posted, did you?


Nope. We're discussing *Bush* lying to Congress in order to invade Iraq and
hand lucrative contracts over to his buddies without going through a bidding
process - which has absolutely nuthin' to do with any speeches made by

Clinton.

Using your "logic" it does -- since Clinton was gracious enough to set
the stage for Bush by repeatedly proclaiming the threat Saddam posed
with his WMDs.


Well, I certainly don't recall that. I do recall a *lot* of press about his
affairs, and a few talks about keeping protecting the no-fly zone when we
bombed Iraqi radar installations, but I'm afraid the Neocons fascination with
Monica made anything along those lines fall off the radar. Clearly, nobody was
paying any mind to anything along those lines - except maybe Bush.

Starting in early 1998, President Clinton began talking about the
threat of Saddam Hussein's WMDs. He continued talking through the
year. At one point, he had bombers in the air ready to attack Iraq --
and at the last possible minute, Saddam backed down and agreed to
cooperate with the UN inspectors. Clinton had to tell the bombers to
turn around in mid-flight, and return to base.
But ultimately, Saddam continued to screw around with the inspectors,
and Clinton ran out of patience. He (along with PM Blair) ordered an
attack on Iraq on December 16, 1998 that lasted 4 days. If you would
bother to read the speeches I posted, you'd be more knowledgeable in
this regard.

Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he
wasn't the one who misrepresented those intelligence reports
so he could invade the country under the guise of an imminent threat
to get at their oil for his pals.


What was Clinton's reason?


When did Clinton invade Iraq with the intent to take it over?

What was Clinton's reason for talking repeatedly about WMDs in Iraq
thorougout the year 1998? And then to bomb the daylights out of Iraq
for 4 days? Just to set the stage for his successor? Please respond
with an intelligent answer ... if you can.

A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately
after Bush and Blair misrepresented things - including myself.


What was PM Blair's reason?


Power. By hanging onto the coattails of the leader of the world's only
superpower, he has gained himself a much higher level of power and influence
that any other European leaders enjoy.


Oh, I see ... PM Blair acted against his own party's wishes and RISKED
his political career for "power" ... yeah, that makes a whole lot of
sense! He was already well respected throughout the world. He had
power BEFORE Bush became president.

Now, since you know so much about PM Blair's motives, please tell me
why he thought going after Saddam was worth RISKING his political
career?


Once you're "in", you get rewarded. If you don't understand that concept, I'm
certainly not about to explain it to you.

That's a non-answer. You won't explain it, because you can't. First
you're on her saying how hated Bush is around the world. Why would
Tony Blair want to be "in" on that? Please explain ... if you can.
.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 18 Jan 2004 06:02:13 PM
(Woodswun) wrote:

I think your need to justify Bush by trying to give him a ride
on Clinton's coattails is quite laughable.

No, just stating the facts -- of which you were admittedly ignorant.

However, as regards to this portioin - as the leader of the world's
only superpower, Bush represents power and money. This is
regardless of whether Bush himself, or the US itself, is liked
or not. If you need to somehow change that into being "a non-answer"
to rationalize your own preconceived thoughts - that's fine
by me.

At least my "preconceived thoughts" are based in facts. Can't say the
same about your own preconceived thoughts.

As I've said, I've reponded to this thread as much as I intend to.

I don't blame you. It must be tough to respond when you can't come up
with real answers.
.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 20 Jan 2004 07:11:16 AM

dsteven@flashmail.com

wrote:


woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote:

I think your need to justify Bush by >>trying to give him a ride
on Clinton's coattails is quite >>laughable.

No, just stating the facts -- of which you >were admittedly ignorant.

Yep, that's Sandy (Woods) alright, clueless as usual.
She wants to forget about what Clinton said about Iraq's WMD, and about
Clintons plan to oust Saddam, because it makes it much easier for her to
justify her hate for President Bush.

However, as regards to this portioin - as the leader of the world's
only superpower, Bush represents power and money. This is
regardless of whether Bush himself, or the US itself, is liked
or not. If you need to somehow change that into being "a non-answer"
to rationalize your own preconceived thoughts - that's fine
by me.


At least my "preconceived thoughts" are based in facts. Can't say the
same about your own preconceived thoughts.

As I've said, I've reponded to this thread >>as much as I intend to.

I don't blame you. It must be tough to >respond when you can't come up
with real answers.

LOL!!!
You got Sandy pegged.
Tony
.
User: "Dani"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 21 Jan 2004 10:00:25 AM
On 20 Jan 2004 13:11:16 GMT,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

LOL!!!
You got Sandy pegged.

idiot.
.


User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 18 Jan 2004 06:56:25 PM
Ding ding ding and it looks like it's going into overtime
Stay tuned for round 14.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
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AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
.


User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 18 Jan 2004 03:23:51 PM
In article <a2b35e99.0401181110.4ed139fe@posting.google.com>,
(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
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In article <a2b35e99.0401172148.48a921cc@posting.google.com>,

(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
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In article <a2b35e99.0401171255.69b74b79@posting.google.com>,

(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote:

Actually, intelligence under both was the same - they had no
evidence of any WMDs.


You never read those Clinton speeches I posted, did you?


Nope. We're discussing *Bush* lying to Congress in order to invade Iraq

and

hand lucrative contracts over to his buddies without going through a

bidding

process - which has absolutely nuthin' to do with any speeches made by

Clinton.

Using your "logic" it does -- since Clinton was gracious enough to set
the stage for Bush by repeatedly proclaiming the threat Saddam posed
with his WMDs.


Well, I certainly don't recall that. I do recall a *lot* of press about his
affairs, and a few talks about keeping protecting the no-fly zone when we
bombed Iraqi radar installations, but I'm afraid the Neocons fascination with


Monica made anything along those lines fall off the radar. Clearly, nobody

was

paying any mind to anything along those lines - except maybe Bush.


Starting in early 1998, President Clinton began talking about the
threat of Saddam Hussein's WMDs. He continued talking through the
year. At one point, he had bombers in the air ready to attack Iraq --
and at the last possible minute, Saddam backed down and agreed to
cooperate with the UN inspectors. Clinton had to tell the bombers to
turn around in mid-flight, and return to base.

But ultimately, Saddam continued to screw around with the inspectors,
and Clinton ran out of patience. He (along with PM Blair) ordered an
attack on Iraq on December 16, 1998 that lasted 4 days. If you would
bother to read the speeches I posted, you'd be more knowledgeable in
this regard.

Clinton "believing" that Saddam was a threat is moot, since he
wasn't the one who misrepresented those intelligence reports
so he could invade the country under the guise of an imminent threat
to get at their oil for his pals.


What was Clinton's reason?


When did Clinton invade Iraq with the intent to take it over?


What was Clinton's reason for talking repeatedly about WMDs in Iraq
thorougout the year 1998? And then to bomb the daylights out of Iraq
for 4 days? Just to set the stage for his successor? Please respond
with an intelligent answer ... if you can.

A lot of people "believed" a lot of things immediately
after Bush and Blair misrepresented things - including myself.


What was PM Blair's reason?


Power. By hanging onto the coattails of the leader of the world's only
superpower, he has gained himself a much higher level of power and

influence

that any other European leaders enjoy.


Oh, I see ... PM Blair acted against his own party's wishes and RISKED
his political career for "power" ... yeah, that makes a whole lot of
sense! He was already well respected throughout the world. He had
power BEFORE Bush became president.

Now, since you know so much about PM Blair's motives, please tell me
why he thought going after Saddam was worth RISKING his political
career?


Once you're "in", you get rewarded. If you don't understand that concept,

I'm

certainly not about to explain it to you.


That's a non-answer. You won't explain it, because you can't. First
you're on her saying how hated Bush is around the world. Why would
Tony Blair want to be "in" on that? Please explain ... if you can.

I'll just repond to this, as I think your need to justify Bush by trying to
give him a ride on Clinton's coattails is quite laughable. However, as
regards to this portioin - as the leader of the world's only superpower, Bush
represents power and money. This is regardless of whether Bush himself, or the
US itself, is liked or not. If you need to somehow change that into being "a
non-answer" to rationalize your own preconceived thoughts - that's fine by me.
As I've said, I've reponded to this thread as much as I intend to.
Woods
.








User: "yipee yahoo"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 01:12:51 AM
I have da feelin' that alt.prophecies.nostradamus will be around for a
long time too.....
Uncle Wally
=======================================================================
jha_amin@yahoo.com (jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0401161355.35c62c0b@posting.google.com>...

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be any way out.
war on terrorism may last generations.


Cheney's grim visionCheney's grim vision: decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat

James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004

Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.

The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World
Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by
senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the
war on terrorism.

Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic
policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his
domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization
of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it
demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a
major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are
required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the
president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note
and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage
the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.

"One of the legacies of this administration will be some of the most
sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy
as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're
based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since
World War II," Cheney said. "I think the changes are that dramatic."

He also said the administration was planning to expand the military
into even more overseas bases so the United States could wage war
quickly around the globe.

"Scattered in more than 50 nations, the al Qaeda network and other
terrorist groups constitute an enemy unlike any other that we have
ever faced, " he said. "And as our intelligence shows, the terrorists
continue plotting to kill on an ever-larger scale, including here in
the United States."

Cheney provided no details, however, of the kinds of attacks he
expected.

Although the administration has been criticized by some, including
most of the Democratic candidates for president, for not doing enough
to eliminate known programs for developing weapons of mass destruction
in such countries as North Korea, Cheney said they were a priority and
confronted the United States with its gravest threat.

Again, he presented the risks of a terrorist attack involving these
weapons in stark terms.

"Instead of losing thousands of lives, we might lose tens or even
hundreds of thousands of lives as the result of a single attack, or a
set coordinated of attacks," Cheney said.

While polls show that many Americans support the president's
aggressive war on terrorism, he also has many critics for the way the
battle has been waged. The president initially justified the war in
Iraq by saying that Saddam Hussein had active programs to develop
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The United States has yet to
find evidence of such programs since overthrowing Hussein and
installing a military occupation, prompting questions about the
president's agenda and the quality of intelligence he is receiving.

In addition, an expert at the U.S. Army War College, Jeffrey Record,
recently released a 62-page analysis that concluded the war in Iraq
might have set back American efforts to stop terrorists by diverting
precious resources to a battle that will do little to prevent new
attacks.

As a result, Record concluded, the war on terrorism "lacks strategic
clarity, embraces unrealistic objectives and may not be sustainable
over the long haul."

But in his speech Wednesday, Cheney compared this moment to the
challenges faced by President Harry Truman at the beginning of the
Cold War, when there was a hot war flaring on the Korean Peninsula and
a long-term nuclear standoff developing with the Soviet Union.

Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.

E-mail James Sterngold : decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat

James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004

Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.

The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World
Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by
senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the
war on terrorism.

Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic
policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his
domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization
of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it
demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a
major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are
required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the
president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note
and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage
the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.

"One of the legacies of this administration will be some of the most
sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy
as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're
based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since
World War II," Cheney said. "I think the changes are that dramatic."

He also said the administration was planning to expand the military
into even more overseas bases so the United States could wage war
quickly around the globe.

"Scattered in more than 50 nations, the al Qaeda network and other
terrorist groups constitute an enemy unlike any other that we have
ever faced, " he said. "And as our intelligence shows, the terrorists
continue plotting to kill on an ever-larger scale, including here in
the United States."

Cheney provided no details, however, of the kinds of attacks he
expected.

Although the administration has been criticized by some, including
most of the Democratic candidates for president, for not doing enough
to eliminate known programs for developing weapons of mass destruction
in such countries as North Korea, Cheney said they were a priority and
confronted the United States with its gravest threat.

Again, he presented the risks of a terrorist attack involving these
weapons in stark terms.

"Instead of losing thousands of lives, we might lose tens or even
hundreds of thousands of lives as the result of a single attack, or a
set coordinated of attacks," Cheney said.

While polls show that many Americans support the president's
aggressive war on terrorism, he also has many critics for the way the
battle has been waged. The president initially justified the war in
Iraq by saying that Saddam Hussein had active programs to develop
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The United States has yet to
find evidence of such programs since overthrowing Hussein and
installing a military occupation, prompting questions about the
president's agenda and the quality of intelligence he is receiving.

In addition, an expert at the U.S. Army War College, Jeffrey Record,
recently released a 62-page analysis that concluded the war in Iraq
might have set back American efforts to stop terrorists by diverting
precious resources to a battle that will do little to prevent new
attacks.

As a result, Record concluded, the war on terrorism "lacks strategic
clarity, embraces unrealistic objectives and may not be sustainable
over the long haul."

But in his speech Wednesday, Cheney compared this moment to the
challenges faced by President Harry Truman at the beginning of the
Cold War, when there was a hot war flaring on the Korean Peninsula and
a long-term nuclear standoff developing with the Soviet Union.

Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.

.
User: "Misty"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 17 Jan 2004 02:25:07 AM
K
yipee yahoo wrote:

I have da feelin' that alt.prophecies.nostradamus will be around for a
long time too.....

Uncle Wally

=======================================================================



jha_amin@yahoo.com (jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0401161355.35c62c0b@posting.google.com>...

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be any way out.
war on terrorism may last generations.


Cheney's grim visionCheney's grim vision: decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat

James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004

Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.

The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World
Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by
senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the
war on terrorism.

Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic
policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his
domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization
of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it
demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a
major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are
required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the
president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note
and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage
the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.

"One of the legacies of this administration will be some of the most
sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy
as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're
based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since
World War II," Cheney said. "I think the changes are that dramatic."

He also said the administration was planning to expand the military
into even more overseas bases so the United States could wage war
quickly around the globe.

"Scattered in more than 50 nations, the al Qaeda network and other
terrorist groups constitute an enemy unlike any other that we have
ever faced, " he said. "And as our intelligence shows, the terrorists
continue plotting to kill on an ever-larger scale, including here in
the United States."

Cheney provided no details, however, of the kinds of attacks he
expected.

Although the administration has been criticized by some, including
most of the Democratic candidates for president, for not doing enough
to eliminate known programs for developing weapons of mass destruction
in such countries as North Korea, Cheney said they were a priority and
confronted the United States with its gravest threat.

Again, he presented the risks of a terrorist attack involving these
weapons in stark terms.

"Instead of losing thousands of lives, we might lose tens or even
hundreds of thousands of lives as the result of a single attack, or a
set coordinated of attacks," Cheney said.

While polls show that many Americans support the president's
aggressive war on terrorism, he also has many critics for the way the
battle has been waged. The president initially justified the war in
Iraq by saying that Saddam Hussein had active programs to develop
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The United States has yet to
find evidence of such programs since overthrowing Hussein and
installing a military occupation, prompting questions about the
president's agenda and the quality of intelligence he is receiving.

In addition, an expert at the U.S. Army War College, Jeffrey Record,
recently released a 62-page analysis that concluded the war in Iraq
might have set back American efforts to stop terrorists by diverting
precious resources to a battle that will do little to prevent new
attacks.

As a result, Record concluded, the war on terrorism "lacks strategic
clarity, embraces unrealistic objectives and may not be sustainable
over the long haul."

But in his speech Wednesday, Cheney compared this moment to the
challenges faced by President Harry Truman at the beginning of the
Cold War, when there was a hot war flaring on the Korean Peninsula and
a long-term nuclear standoff developing with the Soviet Union.

Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.

E-mail James Sterngold : decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat

James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, January 15, 2004

Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's
expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President
***** Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the
growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States
and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.

The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World
Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by
senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the
war on terrorism.

Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic
policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his
domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization
of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it
demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a
major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are
required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the
president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note
and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage
the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.

"One of the legacies of this administration will be some of the most
sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy
as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're
based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since
World War II," Cheney said. "I think the changes are that dramatic."

He also said the administration was planning to expand the military
into even more overseas bases so the United States could wage war
quickly around the globe.

"Scattered in more than 50 nations, the al Qaeda network and other
terrorist groups constitute an enemy unlike any other that we have
ever faced, " he said. "And as our intelligence shows, the terrorists
continue plotting to kill on an ever-larger scale, including here in
the United States."

Cheney provided no details, however, of the kinds of attacks he
expected.

Although the administration has been criticized by some, including
most of the Democratic candidates for president, for not doing enough
to eliminate known programs for developing weapons of mass destruction
in such countries as North Korea, Cheney said they were a priority and
confronted the United States with its gravest threat.

Again, he presented the risks of a terrorist attack involving these
weapons in stark terms.

"Instead of losing thousands of lives, we might lose tens or even
hundreds of thousands of lives as the result of a single attack, or a
set coordinated of attacks," Cheney said.

While polls show that many Americans support the president's
aggressive war on terrorism, he also has many critics for the way the
battle has been waged. The president initially justified the war in
Iraq by saying that Saddam Hussein had active programs to develop
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The United States has yet to
find evidence of such programs since overthrowing Hussein and
installing a military occupation, prompting questions about the
president's agenda and the quality of intelligence he is receiving.

In addition, an expert at the U.S. Army War College, Jeffrey Record,
recently released a 62-page analysis that concluded the war in Iraq
might have set back American efforts to stop terrorists by diverting
precious resources to a battle that will do little to prevent new
attacks.

As a result, Record concluded, the war on terrorism "lacks strategic
clarity, embraces unrealistic objectives and may not be sustainable
over the long haul."

But in his speech Wednesday, Cheney compared this moment to the
challenges faced by President Harry Truman at the beginning of the
Cold War, when there was a hot war flaring on the Korean Peninsula and
a long-term nuclear standoff developing with the Soviet Union.

Cheney said Bush was establishing, as Truman had, a new structure for
a new long-term war and spreading the military into new areas of the
globe. "On Sept. 11, 2001, our nation made a fundamental commitment
that will take many years to see through," Cheney said.


.


User: "Hitman of Las Vegas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 16 Jan 2004 04:10:22 PM
On 16 Jan 2004 13:55:19 -0800,
(jha_amin) wrote:

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be any way out.
war on terrorism may last generations.

I don't see this as notably grim. I do think it's a good basic
evaluation of what's going on, though.
.
User: "Grantland"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 16 Jan 2004 05:07:46 PM
Hitman of Las Vegas <x@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 16 Jan 2004 13:55:19 -0800,

(jha_amin) wrote:

It ain't gonna get any better
and right now there doesn't seem to be any way out.
war on terrorism may last generations.


I don't see this as notably grim. I do think it's a good basic
evaluation of what's going on, though.

You're a fool.
Grantland
.
User: "Hitman of Las Vegas"

Title: Re: Cheney's grim vision: 16 Jan 2004 09:36:02 PM
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:07:46 GMT,
(Grantland)
wrote:

I don't see this as notably grim. I do think it's a good basic
evaluation of what's going on, though.


You're a fool.

Thanks for the insightful observation, Einstein.
.




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