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User: "Peter K."
Date: 02 Aug 2004 05:37:51 PM
Object: Christ is born in Revelation chap.12 after the Seals, and the Trumplets have occured!
Christ's appears in Revelations chap.12 much later after the seals,
and trumpets have occured...therefore Revelations is not sequential
chapter wise.
Revelations instead is sequential this way: 1st seal, then 1st
trumpet, then 1st Vial, then 2nd seal, then 2nd trumpet, etc....
666 is a number of man which appears at:
1. the 6th seal(the DECREE = opening the seal)
2. the 6th trumpet(Announcing the Arrival/Beginning = sounding the
trumpet)
3. and the 6th vial (the Outcome = actual pouring of the vial)
= 666
at the 6th trumpet appears the two witnesses and the Roman Gentiles
which trample Jerusalem for a period of 3.5 wich is in Revelations
chap.11 and just before Christ's birth and ascention to Heaven in Rev.
chap.12 where the woman (the jews of Jerusalem) escapes the flood
(Roman Gentiles) for a period of 3.5
.

User: "Leigh_Bee"

Title: Re: Christ is born in Revelation chap.12 after the Seals, and the Trumplets have occured! 04 Aug 2004 06:35:08 AM
(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0408021437.4f2301c1@posting.google.com>...

Christ's appears in Revelations chap.12 much later after the seals,
and trumpets have occured...therefore Revelations is not sequential
chapter wise.

Revelations instead is sequential this way: 1st seal, then 1st
trumpet, then 1st Vial, then 2nd seal, then 2nd trumpet, etc....

All we ask is signs and wonders, all we get is amateur conjecture and no wonder.
LB
.

User: "Ray"

Title: Re: Christ is born in Revelation chap.12 after the Seals, and the Trumplets have occured! 03 Aug 2004 12:41:39 AM
Peter K. <guskz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7f35df4b.0408021437.4f2301c1@posting.google.com...

Christ's appears in Revelations chap.12 much later after the seals,
and trumpets have occured...therefore Revelations is not sequential
chapter wise.

Hi Peter...
From what I have investigated, and stumbled on in a search over a year
ago... It was on a site created before 2000, had Jesus being born in
September, and around the 11th. The point that it was December.
I then saw another which had Jupiter reversing across the sky.
Looking up in an Astronomy Program like SKYGLOBE, it could go back and look
at the sky from most major cities in the world including Bethlehem, Baghdad,
New York and Teheran (over a 200 locations, half in USA)
So it is possible to see the STAR the MAGI watched. In those days all the
lights in the sky were considered stars, with Planets (Greek PLANETES -
means wander, Meteor means something like hair tail).
September 11, 3BC has Jupiter meeting Regulus (which means The Little King)
(God put them their for signs) during the middle of the day (not seeable
back then, but now with astronomy simulators it is). They saw the sign in
the heavens as SUNRISE on the 12th of Virgo with the sun at her hip clothing
her. To their view, they would have known Virgo was coming up over the
horizon. And it was a UNIQUE occurrenc in that it had 3 planets aligned with
its arms. Pluto in her right hand, Mercury and Venus along her left arm.
Then as her body came up over the Horizon, the sun rose and brightness hid
their view from that point on, till the moon came up level on the horizon
with just under her feet, though to the right. On the left, the serpent
constellation was also rising.
Fitting exactly with Revelation 12:1-5. Backing the 9-11 number link in
other ways.
When we see Sept 11, 2001, the DAY which changed the world we see AN EYE
OPENER. An ATTENTION GETTER!
Bin Ladin didnt plan the date, from interrogations of his honcho, it
happened when the people were ready and not before.
On the DATE of 911, 2001, in the heavens another sign. 8:47 am in New York
the first plane hit the first of the TWIN towers of the World Trade Center.
That translates to Baghdad Time of 4:47pm. At exactly 4:47pm Baghdad the
time, GEMINI, the TWINS, was setting on the Horizon. Gemini named for its
TWIN stars, had the first of the TWIN stars exactly on the horizon setting
at 4:47pm, with the 2nd following minutes after.
JUPITER was also exactly in the middle of the Gemini Constellation. It had
been there since G W Bush was sworn in. It finished its Retrograde reversal
2 days after G W Bush was sworn in as President. Jupiter is Jesus STAR from
the study of the signs in the sky.
Bin Ladin's goal is stated that it would provoke America to respond and
start a HOLY JIHAD WAR for Islam. And indeed he did. Revenge and the fear of
their vulnerability demanded action from America. And G W Bush was the man
to do it, someone who sees in Black and White (as does Bin Ladin) of good
and evil. Such will both be not inhibited in their killing of the enemies of
God. Both sides think God is on their side.
The DAY the WAR on IRAQ started, the MOON was on the last day of the full
moon cycle, waning into a crescent, with 2 days later it being the start of
the first quarter cycle. A crescent moon by anyones view!.
At the precise hour that the war was declared to start, between 9pm and 10pm
Eastern Time in USA on the 19th of March 2003, the Moon passed through the
middle of the constellation of VIRGO and past the line of her body between
her legs as if giving birth to the Crescent Moon, they symbol of ISLAM!
The Order to fire missiles was the 19th on the East coast of America, but
the 20th in Baghdad, including the Red Sea an the Persian Gulf.
Note the number keep coming up...
God does try to keep them simple, but makes lots of them.
Viro sign on the 12th and Revelation 12.
Jupiter Retograde on Sept 11, 3 BC, passed REGULUS 3 TIMES (3BC).
The Leader on September 11, 2001 was Mr G W Bush.
Revelation 9:11 describes the leader as the Destroyer.
The Iraq War started on March 20 officially, Baghdad time, Exactly 555 days
after 911 to the DAY!
Revelation 9, describes the 5th Trumpet.
Other 5's, the year...
(2003, 2+0+0+3=5)
(The month declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED - May = 5)
The number of days between the start of the Air War in Gulf War 1991 and the
War in Iraq 2003 is 4444 days (Between)
Is this God pointing to the 5th Trumpet as the EYE OPENER with the 911 and
the number 5?
From this reference are we to see the the 4th Trumpet was the Gulf War?
The Number 2 Occurs.
Mr G W Bush started the War in Iraq on the March 20, 2003 officially. It is
exactly 2 years and 2 months to the date of him being sworn in January 20,
2001.
Mr G W Bush turned 666 months old (30 day months) on March 19, 2001.
Factually the Iraq War was declared to FIRE MISSILES on March 19, 2003.
Exactly 2 years to the date after he turned 666 months old.
Mr G W Bush is the 2nd George Bush in his family, and is technically G Bush
II without the use of middle names. He even shares Walker as a middle name
of his father.
Destined to be a 2?
Twin towers collapsed
911, adds to 9+1+1=11, 1+1=2
See the 11 as twins? Two towers side by side?
Twin daughers? More irony?
The second Gulf War as many are calling it GULF WAR II.
The 2nd G Bush on the throne of America
The 2nd in this Family to be associated with a Revelation Trumpet.
The 4th Trumpet was started by the events of Saddam, on August 2, 1990.
The 5th Trumpet was started by the events of Bin Ladin on 911.
The Number 4...
EXACTLY 1111 days after G W Bush turned 666 months old, was April 3, 2004.
It was the days that the USA ARMY seiged Fallujah to take Revenge for the 4
contractors which were ambushed and descrated.
The uprising spread to other towns, with Basra joining it at 4am on the 4th
of April, 2004. Thats 4 x 4. 4am 4/4/4.
The Trumpets do not happen in one day, each starts on a day and goes for its
season till complete.
THE 6th Trumpet starts with 4 angels bound to Euphrates. Basra and Fallujah
are EUPHRATES towns.
It says for this HOUR, DAY, MONTH and YEAR, is the is 4am 4/4/4?
All the evidence of the torment and torture with the captives of Iraq. All
leading to more Islamic uprisings. The hypocrisy of human right violations.
There are 200 million Moslems in the Middle-East alone and many a joining
the band wagon of hatred to America. Many who do not rise up still hate
them. The Propaganda and rumours flow from hear say. And it does not help
that some of these things are verified by ex prisoners, many too ashamed to
tell their stories at home, wishing they were dead because of their shame.
What is sown will be reaped, even evil in the name of God.
-------
You can download a copy of SKYGLOBE from...
It comes as a self extraction, with a DOS version and a Windows version. It
is FREE, but it does have a known bug. That to run the windows version you
have to click on the run file having the FOLDER open for it. It may crash on
the first run if you have other folders open, but will run ok on the second
run.
If you wish to email remove the 888 from the email address.
Peace


Revelations instead is sequential this way: 1st seal, then 1st
trumpet, then 1st Vial, then 2nd seal, then 2nd trumpet, etc....


666 is a number of man which appears at:

1. the 6th seal(the DECREE = opening the seal)
2. the 6th trumpet(Announcing the Arrival/Beginning = sounding the
trumpet)
3. and the 6th vial (the Outcome = actual pouring of the vial)

= 666

at the 6th trumpet appears the two witnesses and the Roman Gentiles
which trample Jerusalem for a period of 3.5 wich is in Revelations
chap.11 and just before Christ's birth and ascention to Heaven in Rev.
chap.12 where the woman (the jews of Jerusalem) escapes the flood
(Roman Gentiles) for a period of 3.5

.
User: "Ray"

Title: Re: Christ is born in Revelation chap.12 after the Seals, and the Trumplets have occured! 03 Aug 2004 02:48:01 AM
OOPs was rushing and didnt edit last reply as I had to go out and was
running late.
The point was it was not a December birth, but around September 11.
And also there are some screen caps about it at...
http://jupiter.webhop.info
Peace, enjoy the miracles. Many say you cannot prove that God exists... well
yes you can NOW, as we have technology to put all the information together
and show that it was done by a CREATOR, God Himself.
And amazingly it says they will be mockers in the last days, and in being
such will not investigate for themselves.
There are many clues which when put together and sought out ARE signs. And
by studying the signs, we understand what the signs look like, with every
avenue exhausted by seeing where it goes. No guesses, no assumptions, but
step by step and see where it goes, a walk that becomes a journey, and all
is fact. What it means is another thing entirely... It does however show
that there are too many of these facts pointing to central points. An
overview, like from space for example, shows that it is infact pointing to
central major points, as pieces of the puzzle. God is good. God loves all
mankind and it's will that non should perish and that all should have
everlasting life.
Peace
Ray <raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nAFPc.30142$K53.16247@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Peter K. <guskz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7f35df4b.0408021437.4f2301c1@posting.google.com...

Christ's appears in Revelations chap.12 much later after the seals,
and trumpets have occured...therefore Revelations is not sequential
chapter wise.



Hi Peter...

From what I have investigated, and stumbled on in a search over a year
ago... It was on a site created before 2000, had Jesus being born in
September, and around the 11th. The point that it was December.

I then saw another which had Jupiter reversing across the sky.

Looking up in an Astronomy Program like SKYGLOBE, it could go back and

look

at the sky from most major cities in the world including Bethlehem,

Baghdad,

New York and Teheran (over a 200 locations, half in USA)

So it is possible to see the STAR the MAGI watched. In those days all the
lights in the sky were considered stars, with Planets (Greek PLANETES -
means wander, Meteor means something like hair tail).

September 11, 3BC has Jupiter meeting Regulus (which means The Little

King)

(God put them their for signs) during the middle of the day (not seeable
back then, but now with astronomy simulators it is). They saw the sign in
the heavens as SUNRISE on the 12th of Virgo with the sun at her hip

clothing

her. To their view, they would have known Virgo was coming up over the
horizon. And it was a UNIQUE occurrenc in that it had 3 planets aligned

with

its arms. Pluto in her right hand, Mercury and Venus along her left arm.
Then as her body came up over the Horizon, the sun rose and brightness hid
their view from that point on, till the moon came up level on the horizon
with just under her feet, though to the right. On the left, the serpent
constellation was also rising.

Fitting exactly with Revelation 12:1-5. Backing the 9-11 number link in
other ways.

When we see Sept 11, 2001, the DAY which changed the world we see AN EYE
OPENER. An ATTENTION GETTER!
Bin Ladin didnt plan the date, from interrogations of his honcho, it
happened when the people were ready and not before.

On the DATE of 911, 2001, in the heavens another sign. 8:47 am in New York
the first plane hit the first of the TWIN towers of the World Trade

Center.

That translates to Baghdad Time of 4:47pm. At exactly 4:47pm Baghdad the
time, GEMINI, the TWINS, was setting on the Horizon. Gemini named for its
TWIN stars, had the first of the TWIN stars exactly on the horizon setting
at 4:47pm, with the 2nd following minutes after.

JUPITER was also exactly in the middle of the Gemini Constellation. It had
been there since G W Bush was sworn in. It finished its Retrograde

reversal

2 days after G W Bush was sworn in as President. Jupiter is Jesus STAR

from

the study of the signs in the sky.

Bin Ladin's goal is stated that it would provoke America to respond and
start a HOLY JIHAD WAR for Islam. And indeed he did. Revenge and the fear

of

their vulnerability demanded action from America. And G W Bush was the man
to do it, someone who sees in Black and White (as does Bin Ladin) of good
and evil. Such will both be not inhibited in their killing of the enemies

of

God. Both sides think God is on their side.

The DAY the WAR on IRAQ started, the MOON was on the last day of the full
moon cycle, waning into a crescent, with 2 days later it being the start

of

the first quarter cycle. A crescent moon by anyones view!.

At the precise hour that the war was declared to start, between 9pm and

10pm

Eastern Time in USA on the 19th of March 2003, the Moon passed through the
middle of the constellation of VIRGO and past the line of her body between
her legs as if giving birth to the Crescent Moon, they symbol of ISLAM!

The Order to fire missiles was the 19th on the East coast of America, but
the 20th in Baghdad, including the Red Sea an the Persian Gulf.

Note the number keep coming up...
God does try to keep them simple, but makes lots of them.

Viro sign on the 12th and Revelation 12.

Jupiter Retograde on Sept 11, 3 BC, passed REGULUS 3 TIMES (3BC).

The Leader on September 11, 2001 was Mr G W Bush.
Revelation 9:11 describes the leader as the Destroyer.

The Iraq War started on March 20 officially, Baghdad time, Exactly 555

days

after 911 to the DAY!
Revelation 9, describes the 5th Trumpet.
Other 5's, the year...
(2003, 2+0+0+3=5)
(The month declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED - May = 5)


The number of days between the start of the Air War in Gulf War 1991 and

the

War in Iraq 2003 is 4444 days (Between)

Is this God pointing to the 5th Trumpet as the EYE OPENER with the 911 and
the number 5?

From this reference are we to see the the 4th Trumpet was the Gulf War?

The Number 2 Occurs.
Mr G W Bush started the War in Iraq on the March 20, 2003 officially. It

is

exactly 2 years and 2 months to the date of him being sworn in January 20,
2001.
Mr G W Bush turned 666 months old (30 day months) on March 19, 2001.
Factually the Iraq War was declared to FIRE MISSILES on March 19, 2003.
Exactly 2 years to the date after he turned 666 months old.
Mr G W Bush is the 2nd George Bush in his family, and is technically G

Bush

II without the use of middle names. He even shares Walker as a middle name
of his father.
Destined to be a 2?
Twin towers collapsed
911, adds to 9+1+1=11, 1+1=2
See the 11 as twins? Two towers side by side?

Twin daughers? More irony?

The second Gulf War as many are calling it GULF WAR II.

The 2nd G Bush on the throne of America

The 2nd in this Family to be associated with a Revelation Trumpet.


The 4th Trumpet was started by the events of Saddam, on August 2, 1990.
The 5th Trumpet was started by the events of Bin Ladin on 911.

The Number 4...
EXACTLY 1111 days after G W Bush turned 666 months old, was April 3, 2004.
It was the days that the USA ARMY seiged Fallujah to take Revenge for the

4

contractors which were ambushed and descrated.

The uprising spread to other towns, with Basra joining it at 4am on the

4th

of April, 2004. Thats 4 x 4. 4am 4/4/4.

The Trumpets do not happen in one day, each starts on a day and goes for

its

season till complete.

THE 6th Trumpet starts with 4 angels bound to Euphrates. Basra and

Fallujah

are EUPHRATES towns.
It says for this HOUR, DAY, MONTH and YEAR, is the is 4am 4/4/4?

All the evidence of the torment and torture with the captives of Iraq. All
leading to more Islamic uprisings. The hypocrisy of human right

violations.


There are 200 million Moslems in the Middle-East alone and many a joining
the band wagon of hatred to America. Many who do not rise up still hate
them. The Propaganda and rumours flow from hear say. And it does not help
that some of these things are verified by ex prisoners, many too ashamed

to

tell their stories at home, wishing they were dead because of their shame.

What is sown will be reaped, even evil in the name of God.

-------
You can download a copy of SKYGLOBE from...

It comes as a self extraction, with a DOS version and a Windows version.

It

is FREE, but it does have a known bug. That to run the windows version you
have to click on the run file having the FOLDER open for it. It may crash

on

the first run if you have other folders open, but will run ok on the

second

run.

If you wish to email remove the 888 from the email address.

Peace


Revelations instead is sequential this way: 1st seal, then 1st
trumpet, then 1st Vial, then 2nd seal, then 2nd trumpet, etc....


666 is a number of man which appears at:

1. the 6th seal(the DECREE = opening the seal)
2. the 6th trumpet(Announcing the Arrival/Beginning = sounding the
trumpet)
3. and the 6th vial (the Outcome = actual pouring of the vial)

= 666

at the 6th trumpet appears the two witnesses and the Roman Gentiles
which trample Jerusalem for a period of 3.5 wich is in Revelations
chap.11 and just before Christ's birth and ascention to Heaven in Rev.
chap.12 where the woman (the jews of Jerusalem) escapes the flood
(Roman Gentiles) for a period of 3.5



.



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