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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,1527286,00.html

Riots raged in north Belfast last night as nationalists turned on
police
with blast bombs and petrol bombs after an Orange Order parade
and

its

loyalist supporters passed a Catholic parade of shops.
The security forces tried to hold back nationalist protesters as

Orangemen

marched along the Crumlin Road in the Ardoyne area of Belfast,
but

crowds

threw petrol bombs, blast bombs, bricks and bottles.

Around 50 police officers were injured in the rioting as senior
republicans
called on nationalist youths not to attack. The Sinn Fein leader,

Gerry

Adams, who was soaked by police water cannons while trying to
calm

the

crowds, was calling British and Irish governments over several

hours

to

get
them to intervene with police. He said bad policing decisions had
stoked
the
rioting.

Senior republicans warned the rioting was out of control as

several

men

were
said to have been injured when police fired baton rounds.

Dissident republicans linked to the Continuity IRA were last
night
being
blamed for the blast bombs.

Superintendent Gary White said police reaction had been

"proportionate"

to

the violence on the streets.

Violence began at around 8pm as up to 300 Orange men, bands and
loyalist
supporters paraded past the Ardoyne shops on their way home from

the

July

12
celebrations to commemorate Protestant William of Orange's
victory

over

Catholic King James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.

It was one of the most contentious parade routes of the busiest

day

in

the

Protestant marching calendar. Nationalist residents said they did
not

want

an "anti-Catholic" sectarian march to pass through their area
without
dialogue. Orangemen said it was their right to walk their only

route

home.

Tension had been building all day on the rundown and embittered

interface

where Catholics and Protestants live divided by peace walls in an

area

which
suffered the worst death toll of Northern Ireland's troubles.

The loyalist protest outside the Catholic Holy Cross girls'
school

four

years ago still plays strong in people's minds. Early yesterday

morning

around 60 nationalist protesters had blocked the Orangemen's path

on

the
main route into Belfast and they were forcibly removed by riot

police.

At

7pm the protesters gathered again behind a banner saying "make
sectarianism
history". An army battalion and several hundred riot police

positioned

themselves and high metal screens along the street to usher the

Orangemen

past.

As the loyalist supporters walked up the street some performed
double
fisted
salutes and sang the sectarian anthem We Are The Billy Boys.
After

verbal

abuse between the two sides a handful of stones and bottles came
from

the

nationalist side. Police immediately turned on the water cannons
hitting
senior Sinn Fein figures as they tried to reason with the youths.

Rioting continued for hours.

While it is rediculous and distressing that this goes on every
year,

a

riot

differs tremendously from bombs being placed on subways and buses.

Note several bombs were detonated during the disturbances as well,

luckily

no one was killed.

Do you have specifics on those "bombs"?

"Blast bombs" according to the media. Judging by past event I'd say

these

were pipe-bombs

Ok then

Perhaps they were of the
Molotov-cocktail variety? Still a huge difference.

*splutter* As if the NI paramilitaries haven't made it perfectly clear
that
they are prepared to indiscriminately use explosive devices on
pedestrians..

As opposed to what? Attacking little girls going to and from school?

You are saying the Nationalists don't do the same thing? That the

Orangemen

don't march through Catholic areas in the hopes of provoking a riot?

The IRA bombed the tube, busses, railway stations,

several pubs, Harrods, a shopping center and a War Memorial where
old

men

were laying wreaths to their comrades who fell fighting fascism -
and

that

is just a sample of what they've done.

Yes, in the past, they have done so. I am not excusing them, but you
were
talking about a specific riot, which seems to be provoked every year
by

the

Orangemen.

Blaming the victims, Jane? It was the NATIONALISTS (i.e. catholics)who
were
throwing bombs and molotov cocktails at a peaceful demonstration. Could
you
apply that "provocation" excuse to e.g. Palestinians?

That "demonstration" was a provocation and you know it.

Sharon taking a walkabout on the Al Aqsa mosque was a provocation and you
know it.

Do you believe the sensible reaction to verbal provocation is a barrage of
pipe and petrol bombs?!

Having said that, the rioters of course deserve to be put down, with as

much force as

required...including deadly force if necssary.

Same applies to the Palestinians AND radical Jewish groups, who are also

not

permitted to run rampant in Israel.

OK then..

Their Protestant counterparts haven't

behaved much better either. I know who's the greater risk

statistically

speaking.

I believe you once made a statement to the effect that the IRA
"never
killed" or "never targetted" civilians. Apologies in advance if I

have

misremembered that..

Did I not apologise for what I realize was a rash,
not-well-thought-out
statement? Did I not admit that my sympathies have always been with

the

Catholic side and that may have caused me to make such a silly

statement?

It's very interesting that religion influences your view of reality
like
that..

Not religion...heritage.

Whatever.. it still blinds you to reality.

I know I was scoffed at for bringing that up
before

Really? By whom?

(unlike some others here, who celebrate theirs with tatoos).

Who's that then?

I am a mixed-bag of European stock, including even some Orangemen, but
my

one

grandmother, pure Irish Catholic, was only in Canada because her people

were

starved out of Ireland.

Probably by a Catholic, Irish landlord..

So, I have some sympathy,

For throwing petrol and pipe bombs at people exercising their right to
free
speech...

but, being a law-and-order type, would never
condone violent actions except by a legitimate army.

You won't convince me that the loyalists were innocent in all this
though.

Of course not, you have admitted your bigotry above.

Must this be thrown up in my face forever?...

I was merely checking it was you that made the statement..

I thought when you accepted my
apology that would be the end of it!

Won't mention it again...

Thanks. Hope not. Otherwise, what is the point of admitting an error
and
trying to atone for it.

Especially when you did it in such a gracious way:

"Ok, ok. I made a stupid statement there. Shoot me! You make inane
statements everyday."

Jane

Jane

Jane