http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
By Mark Sage, PA, in New York
Chaotic post-war Iraq has become the world’s biggest training ground for the
next generation of “professionalised” terrorists, according to a CIA
report.
Awash with weapons and politically unstable, Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as
the country of choice for al Qaida and related terrorists to train, the
document said.
Iraq provides terrorists with “a training ground, a recruitment ground, the
opportunity for enhancing technical skills”, said the report by the National
Intelligence Council, the CIA director’s think tank.
“There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some
of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever
home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries,” wrote David
Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats.
The report, titled Mapping the Global Future, was based on a year-long
analysis, including interviews with 1,000 US and foreign experts.
President George Bush has called Iraq the “central front” in the war on
terrorism.
But critics argue that the terrorists arrived in Iraq after the US-led
invasion.
There is no evidence that ousted dictator Saddam Hussein was ever linked to
Osama bin Laden.
According to the report, seen by the Washington Post, hundreds of foreign
terrorists flooded into Iraq across its unprotected borders soon after the
invasion.
There, they found tonnes of unguarded weapons which they are now using against
US troops.
Some of the foreign terrorists have formed loose alliances with Saddam
loyalists and other insurgents.
“The al Qaida membership that was distinguished by having trained in
Afghanistan will gradually dissipate, to be replaced in part by the dispersion
of the experienced survivors of the conflict in Iraq,” the report says.
It goes on to warn that the Iraq conflict has joined a list of other conflicts
– including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in
Chechnya and Kashmir – that have boosted support for radical Islam around the
world.
The report also predicts that al Qaida will no longer be the top global terror
threat by 2020.
Instead, Islamic extremist groups will merge with local separatist movements
such mergers are already under way.
There will emerge “an eclectic array of groups, cells and individuals that do
not need a stationary headquarters”.
And they will use the internet as a way of communicating.
“Training materials, targeting guidance, weapons know-how, and fund-raising
will become virtual (ie online).”
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17 Jan 2005 04:53:03 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Freedom fighters pantyboy...fighting the vermin that invaded them.
WH
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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18 Jan 2005 12:09:53 AM |
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Freedom fighters pantyboy...fighting the vermin that invaded them.
WH
Sort of like George Washington, an American patriot. In his time
he executed hundreds of persons who became traitors to the revolution.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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18 Jan 2005 04:41:17 AM |
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"R. Foreman" >eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net
"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Freedom fighters pantyboy...fighting the vermin that invaded them.
WH
Sort of like George Washington, an >American patriot. In his time
he executed hundreds of persons who >became traitors to the revolution.
You sick *****.
The Terrorists are killing anyone who doesn't agree with them, that means
American forces, UK forces, Iraqi forces, and any civilian as well, Shiite,
Sunni, Kurd, etc.
You are a very clueless, ignorant *****.
Tony
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18 Jan 2005 05:07:37 PM |
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To grab power in a non democratic country one must literally eliminate
the opposition and manipulate any situation to your cause, just because
they are being handed a satrapy situation no matter how it is wrapped
is somewhat irrelevant an estimated 5000 insurgents last year and now
we hear numbers of 200,000 what are they doing, converting the
unconverted or is there a big counterstrike game going on in Iraq?
LB
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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19 Jan 2005 10:49:04 PM |
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"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> Spat the Words
To grab power in a non democratic country one must literally eliminate
the opposition and manipulate any situation to your cause, just because
they are being handed a satrapy situation no matter how it is wrapped
is somewhat irrelevant an estimated 5000 insurgents last year and now
we hear numbers of 200,000 what are they doing, converting the
unconverted or is there a big counterstrike game going on in Iraq?
LB
Yep, the numbers of insurgents, especially foreign fighters
is on the rise. A news report investigated some of the individuals
who have been doing the suicide bombings... they're coming from
middle class families in surrounding arab countries. 4 years ago
we only had to worry about a few thousand, mostly uneducated and
disenfranchised arabs who were drawn to al qaeda as a place to
belong. In 4 years Bush has created more enemies of the US than
we can kill in 10 lifetimes.
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20 Jan 2005 05:13:52 PM |
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They apparently have a selection criteria for such "martyrs" not just
any Joe or Abdul can sign up, you have to be a successful type!
LB
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:50:40 PM |
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"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> Spat the Words
They apparently have a selection criteria for such "martyrs" not just
any Joe or Abdul can sign up, you have to be a successful type!
LB
They must have a long waiting line with no want for candidates
to choose from. Every day we've got several suicide bombings.
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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20 Jan 2005 01:33:48 AM |
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Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> on Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:49:04
-0600 spoke:
Yep, the numbers of insurgents, especially foreign fighters
is on the rise. A news report investigated some of the individuals
who have been doing the suicide bombings... they're coming from
middle class families in surrounding arab
The VAST majority are Iraqis.
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To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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19 Jan 2005 09:36:04 AM |
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leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au"
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To grab power in a non democratic country one must literally eliminate
the opposition and manipulate any situation to your cause, just because
they are being handed a satrapy situation no matter how it is wrapped
is somewhat irrelevant an estimated 5000 insurgents last year and now
we hear numbers of 200,000 what are they doing, converting the
unconverted or is there a big counterstrike game going on in Iraq?
LB
newsflash: Saddam planned this insurgency before the war, this is not some spur
of the moment idea.
All of Saddam's special Republican Guard and Feyadeen forces disappeared into
the population as the war began, weapons had been stockpiled throughout the
country, links had been made with Zarqawi and other Terrorists, plans had been
made for funding, etc.
Tony
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19 Jan 2005 04:32:11 PM |
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Well of course Saddam planned it he knew he could not engage in battle
having been emasculated for the last decade by the coalition of
Spinning, so that makes the US military look even more incompetent, not
having an exit strategy or a sufficent force to stat with maybe the
Pentagon could ask Microsoft to write a program for them; "Invasion
101" for Chowder heads in uniform any other place the top brass would
be pink mist on the spot, some places their families as well.
LB
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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15 Jan 2005 06:27:21 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Yeah, it is NOW!
Did you read past the headline?
8<
But critics argue that the terrorists arrived in Iraq after the US-led
invasion.
There is no evidence that ousted dictator Saddam Hussein was ever linked to
Osama bin Laden.
According to the report, seen by the Washington Post, hundreds of foreign
terrorists flooded into Iraq across its unprotected borders soon after the
invasion.
There, they found tonnes of unguarded weapons which they are now using against
US troops.
-A
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15 Jan 2005 06:57:45 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Yeah, it is NOW!
Zarqawi and his henchmen were in Iraq before the war, so were many other
terrorists.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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15 Jan 2005 07:33:04 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Yeah, it is NOW!
Zarqawi and his henchmen were in Iraq before the war, so were many other
terrorists.
Tony
Fine by me if you want to post articles contradicting your position. Go
for it, save me and others the trouble.
Zarqawi was in the north eastern Iraqi Kurdish town of Khurmal from the
summer of 2001, an area *well* beyond Saddam's control.
There's no evidence to even suggest otherwise. And even if there were,
Saddam's only likely point of interest in Zaeqawi would've been that he
was fighting against the PUK.
Again, as your article states:
There is no evidence that ousted dictator Saddam Hussein was ever linked
to Osama bin Laden.
They are now however... congratulations, well done.
-A
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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15 Jan 2005 09:45:51 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Yeah, it is NOW!
Zarqawi and his henchmen were in Iraq before the war, so were many other
terrorists.
Tony
Zarqawi was in the north eastern Iraqi >Kurdish town of Khurmal from the
summer of 2001, an area *well* beyond >Saddam's control.
Wrong. As evidenced by Saddam kicking the CIA out of Kurd areas, he obviously
had whatever influence he wanted in that region.
There's no evidence to even suggest >otherwise.
Read above.
And even if there were,
Saddam's only likely point of interest in Zaeqawi would've been that he
was fighting against the PUK.
And that doesn't count? lol
Zarqawi is now known to be an associate of Bin Laden, so if you want to
continue in your delusion that they are not cohorts, go right ahead.
Just as you want to believe that there is no connection between Al Qeada and
Baathists, but they seem to have a very good relationship in their efforts
against coalition forces.
Your mind is closed, stuck in 1980 or so and seemingly incapable of ingesting
the new info available.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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15 Jan 2005 10:53:22 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4001312
Fri 14 Jan 2005
1:56pm (UK)
Cia: Iraq the Biggest Base for Terrorists
Yeah, it is NOW!
Zarqawi and his henchmen were in Iraq before the war, so were many other
terrorists.
Tony
Zarqawi was in the north eastern Iraqi >Kurdish town of Khurmal from the
summer of 2001, an area *well* beyond >Saddam's control.
Wrong. As evidenced by Saddam kicking the CIA out of Kurd areas, he obviously
had whatever influence he wanted in that region.
Not wrong, you have no evidence.
There's no evidence to even suggest >otherwise.
Read above.
Show some *real* evidence beyond Janet and John assertion.
And even if there were,
Saddam's only likely point of interest in Zaeqawi would've been that he
was fighting against the PUK.
And that doesn't count? lol
What doesn't count is your un-evidenced contention.
Zarqawi is now known to be an associate of Bin Laden, so if you want to
continue in your delusion that they are not cohorts, go right ahead.
He was known to be associated in 2001, dimbulb.
Just as you want to believe that there is no connection between Al Qeada and
Baathists,
Do I, *****? And where's your evi-dense for that, eh?
but they seem to have a very good relationship in their efforts
against coalition forces.
Yes they do... N.O.W.
Your mind is closed,
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
stuck in 1980 or so and seemingly incapable of ingesting
the new info available.
LOL
Zarqawi was associated since at least 2001 - new info?
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/apostolou200411020824.asp
==>
America's Zarqawi problem began not as the critics claim in June
2002, but in October 2001, with the same intelligence failure that
contributed to 9/11: the failure of imagination. Officials from the
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), an anti-Saddam group in the Kurdish
safe haven of northern Iraq, came to the U.S. with compelling evidence
that local Islamists had connections to Osama bin Laden. The evidence
was also shared with the Turkish government, which, along with the U.S.
and Britain, was protecting the Kurds from Saddam Hussein's regime.
The PUK had picked up indications of links between local jihadists and
bin Laden in the summer of 2001, according to a British journalist who
was then in northern Iraq. Two of these jihadist factions united as Jund
al-Islam (Soldiers of Islam) on September 1, 2001, with Arabs trained in
Afghanistan reportedly overseeing Jund's formation information that
the U.S. received on September 4, 2001. Jund then seized the village of
Biyara and satellite hamlets such as Sargat and Tawela, in the
mountains near the Iranian border on September 11, 2001 (the timing
was probably coincidental). Fierce fighting raged between Jund and the
PUK until December 2001, when it was ended by an Iranian-brokered
ceasefire and Jund changed its name to Ansar al-Islam. In one clash on
September 23, 2001, Jund captured 42 PUK soldiers and then beheaded them.
The response from the U.S. government, alike was a cold rebuff.
According to sources in Iraq, the U.S. and Turkey dismissed any link
between the jihadists in the mountains of Iraq and bin Laden. Both took
the cynical view that the Kurds were trying to draw the U.S. into a
local squabble.
Only journalists took Kurdish claims seriously. William Safire quoted
Kurdish officials on the presence of al Qaeda Arabs in northeastern Iraq
in the New York Times on September 24, 2001. Although the PUK had
captured a number of jihadist prisoners, no U.S. intelligence officer
traveled to northeastern Iraq to interview them. Instead, Jeffrey
Goldberg of The New Yorker made the journey. In March 2002, Goldberg
published an account of his meeting with an Iraqi Arab who had been
trained in Afghanistan. In an irony not lost on the Kurds, the jihadist
prisoner mistakenly assumed that his American visitor was from the CIA.
The Kurds returned with more evidence in April 2002 after a failed Ansar
assassination attempt on Kurdish Prime Minister Barham Salih (now the
Iraqi deputy prime minister). Finally, the penny dropped, and Ansar was
linked to the shadowy Zarqawi.
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Doh!
-A
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