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Date:	18 Jun 2005 08:10:10 PM
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Contest: Make a pig out of Quran
Recruit under fire for online event some think is in poor taste
June 18, 2005
An Army Reserve recruit from upstate New York is taking some flak for
his online contest to create a papier maché pig out of a Quran.
The contest is the creation of Jon Alvarez of Baldwinsville, N.Y., who
posted the event on his website, pabaah.com, which is an acronym for
Patriotic Americans Boycotting Anti-American Hollywood.
"The requirement for all entries is that the material used for all
entries must be comprised of pages from the Islamic Book of Peace (or
is it Piece, as in body pieces?)" he says on the site. "Originality in
design will carry great weight with the judges."
He even includes links to get free Qurans and instructions on papier
maché.
The winning entry will be auctioned off, with the proceeds to be split
between the winning artist and a charity benefiting children of U.S.
soldiers killed in action fighting the war on terror.
Alvarez, a staunch Republican, believes the event is meant to display
the hypocrisy of Muslim extremists.
"They haven't apologized for burning our flag, yet they expect people
to apologize for supposedly desecrating the Quran," he told the
Syracuse Post-Standard.
"This does nothing to further the conservative cause. You shame
patriotic Republican Americans everywhere, and you shame President
Bush with these kind of publicity stunts."
"If Muslims are outraged over this, then surely they will have no
problem expressing their outrage over the bombing of mosques and
innocents by the radicals amongst them ... or will they?"
It's unclear if the contest will have any impact on his fledgling
career in the military, as he's scheduled to report for basic training
in two months.
Maj. Jeff Wildeboer, operating officer with the Army Reserve 403rd
Civil Affairs Battalion in Mattydale, N.Y., told the Post-Standard the
contest only serves to be hurtful and stereotype Muslims, and is 180
degrees from the battalion's mission.
"We don't do stupid things to mock or punish a theology," Wildeboer
said. "It shows poor taste."
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User: "WH"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	20 Jun 2005 07:18:31 AM

wrote:

Sounds like a real ***** to me...particularly after posting to that
website. Who are these people "Patriotic Americans Boycotting
Anti-American Hollywood." Aren't you Americans ashamed to have such
people in your midst? I can understand pantyboy thinking that they are
hero's but what do "real" Americans think? The Americans who CAN think?
WH
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User: ""
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	22 Jun 2005 10:38:17 AM

Chris The Gay Muslim Convert wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Sounds like a real ***** to me..

Only because you are Pro Islam. You wouldn;t have a problem with it if
it were the Bible, in fact you'd applaude it.
Why can't you just be honest and admit that fact? Why cant you be a
man instead of hiding behind vaguely worded posts?
Tony
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	22 Jun 2005 04:44:50 PM

wrote:

Chris The Gay Muslim Convert wrote:

wrote:

Sounds like a real ***** to me..

Only because you are Pro Islam. You wouldn;t have a problem with it if
it were the Bible, in fact you'd applaude it.

Why can't you just be honest and admit that fact? Why cant you be a
man instead of hiding behind vaguely worded posts?

Why can't you see that going out of your way to incite hatred and
anti-Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist feelings is wrong
*regardless* of which group it's targetted against? This guy is going
to very likely be stationed in a Muslim country - do you really want him
interacting with the locals and giving Muslims a warped idea of Americans?!?
Woods

Tony

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 09:08:44 AM

wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?
<snip>

Maj. Jeff Wildeboer, operating officer with the Army Reserve 403rd
Civil Affairs Battalion in Mattydale, N.Y., told the Post-Standard the
contest only serves to be hurtful and stereotype Muslims, and is 180
degrees from the battalion's mission.

"We don't do stupid things to mock or punish a theology," Wildeboer
said. "It shows poor taste."

Ya gotta love the mid-level folks in the military! It's people like
this that make the American military great - these folks don't deserve
the black eye they're getting from the policies of this administraion.
Woods
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User: ""
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 11:10:59 AM

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art, yet your
heart bleeds because someone wanted to make a paper crochete pig from
a Quran?
Why don't you convert to Islam, it's where you heart already stands.
Tony
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 11:20:23 AM

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal. I realize that's it's hard
for you to understand that "Not Raving Right Wing Lunatic" is not the
same thing as "Liberal".
Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

yet your
heart bleeds because someone wanted to make a paper crochete pig from
a Quran?

Do you deliberately miss the significance, or are you really that thick?
Let me spell it out for you, oh hit-in-the-head-a-few-too-many-times
ex-boxer: you do NOT want someone in the military who is rabidly
anti-muslim to be serving in a muslim country. That's how "incidents"
happen, oh brain damaged one.

Why don't you convert to Islam, it's where you heart already stands.

Nah, that's more your style - forcing your own concept of morality (for
others, not yourself) down everyone else's throat and sending them to
prison (except you) when they don't agree with you. You and Muslim
fundies have a lot in common - that's why you hate them so much, because
they're just.like.you.
Woods

Tony

User: ""
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 11:59:22 AM

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!
It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

yet your
heart bleeds because someone wanted to make a paper crochete pig from
a Quran?

Do you deliberately miss the significance

No, you did.

Why don't you convert to Islam, it's where you heart already stands.

Nah,
Woods

Why not Sandy, they hate conservative Christians almost as much as you
and your Liberal friends.
Tony
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 12:14:00 PM

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

Wrong. The point was whether or not the government had the right to
pull funds from a museum based on disagreement with the content of
'art'. That says nothing about my viewpoint of the so-called 'art'.
I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.
Woods
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User: ""
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 12:25:29 PM

Sandy wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

Political disagrrements?
These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.
Now when you can truely understand the situation, get back to me.
Tony
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 12:29:13 PM

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Woods

Political disagrrements?

These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Wrong.

Now when you can truely understand the situation, get back to me.

Oh, I understand it. You're a petty little thug who thinks that the
same threats he can get away with on the streets of Armpit, NJ will
remain under radar in the electronic world where his words are
permanently recorded.
Woods
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User: ""
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 12:41:46 PM

Sandy wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Sandy wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Woods

Political disagrrements?

These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Wrong.

No, I'm right, you NEVER said a word to anyone of the lowlifes who
posted my personal info.

Now when you can truely understand the situation, get back to me.

Oh, I understand it.
Woods

Obviously not as you continue to defend those who commited the crime
you have outlined, yet you come down on me for merely suggesting doing
the same.
Tony
.

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 12:58:51 PM

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Woods

Political disagrrements?

These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Wrong.

No, I'm right, you NEVER said a word to anyone of the lowlifes who
posted my personal info.

Any damage had been done, and I'm not even sure it was your info. If it
was accurate, it was up to you to notify the authorities. I certainly
was not going to get caught up in something where I had no way of
knowing whether it was even correct info or whether you had previously
posted it yourself.

Now when you can truely understand the situation, get back to me.

Oh, I understand it.
Woods

Obviously not as you continue to defend those who commited the crime
you have outlined, yet you come down on me for merely suggesting doing
the same.

I came out in opposition to Werewolfy's request for any private info on
you, as well. Denouncing it after the fact is an impotent action - at
that point, it's up to the victim to take legal action.
Woods
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 01:11:34 PM

Sandy wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Sandy wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Sandy wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Woods wrote:

TheSilver@Bullet.com wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Woods

Political disagrrements?

These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Wrong.

No, I'm right, you NEVER said a word to anyone of the lowlifes who
posted my personal info.

Any damage had been done, and I'm not even sure it was your info.

I thought you didn't see it? Which is it? You saw it but it was too
late to say anything? Or you didn't see it as you have been saying in
numerous posts.

If it
was accurate, it was up to you to notify the authorities. I certainly
was not going to get caught up in something where I had no way of
knowing whether it was even correct info or whether you had previously
posted it yourself.

Yeah, but you certainly didn't waste any time junping on me, now did
you?

Now when you can truely understand the situation, get back to me.

Oh, I understand it.
Woods

Obviously not as you continue to defend those who commited the crime
you have outlined, yet you come down on me for merely suggesting doing
the same.

I came out in opposition to Werewolfy's request for any private info on
you, as well. Denouncing it after the fact is an impotent action
Woods

No it's not, honestly I think you were afraid that they would come
after you if you said anything against them.
Tony
.

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 01:49:51 PM

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Woods wrote:

wrote:

Why am I not surprised this is some Right Wing nutcase?

Uh, you're one of the sick Liberals who saw nothing wrong with another
of your ilk putting a Crucifx in urine and calling it art,

First of all, I'm a Moderate, not a Liberal.

That bump on the head has left you very confused.

Secondly, please back up your ridiculous assertion that ANYONE, Liberal
or otherwise, said there was nothing wrong with putting a Crucifix in
urine and calling it art.

LOL!!!!

It was all over the news a few years back with all Liberals sticking
up for the artist as you did in this group.

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Woods

Political disagrrements?

These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Wrong.

No, I'm right, you NEVER said a word to anyone of the lowlifes who
posted my personal info.

Any damage had been done, and I'm not even sure it was your info.

I thought you didn't see it? Which is it? You saw it but it was too
late to say anything? Or you didn't see it as you have been saying in
numerous posts.

I didn't see it, but seeing posts with your info blocked out is a bit
too late to prevent it from being posted in the first place, is it not?

Yeah, but you certainly didn't waste any time junping on me, now did
you?

I jumped on Werewolfy, too, when there was still an opportunity to
prevent private info from being divulged. No point trying to close the
barn door after the horses have run off.

Now when you can truely understand the situation, get back to me.

Oh, I understand it.
Woods

Obviously not as you continue to defend those who commited the crime
you have outlined, yet you come down on me for merely suggesting doing
the same.

I came out in opposition to Werewolfy's request for any private info on
you, as well. Denouncing it after the fact is an impotent action

Woods

No it's not, honestly I think you were afraid that they would come
after you if you said anything against them.

That would be a concern for anyone, but it wouldn't prevent me from
trying to stop them from posting yours or anyone else's private info.
After all, I live in shotgun country, where the Sherriff dept praises
people who police their driveway and roads with loaded guns after a
stranger stops a kid on the side of the road. So, relatively speaking,
I'm in a much better position to take the risk of defending you than
others may be.
Woods

Tony

User: "Dani"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 01:31:42 PM

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:25:29 -0400,

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Political disagrrements?
These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Which you accused me of doing. Let me tell you something, liar:
I would NEVER, and have NEVER done anything of the sort.
Especially to your family who are innocent bystanders.
But yet you're implicating me as having done such.
Please do refer me to this alleged post of mine.
Dani
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	20 Jun 2005 01:34:02 PM

Dani wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:25:29 -0400,

wrote:

Sandy wrote:

I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between the two - seeing as how
you're dumb enough to ruin your entire future over political
disagreements on usenet, for God's sake.

Political disagrrements?

These people posted my personal info with the intent to harm my
family, but you saw nothing wrong with that.

Which you accused me of doing. Let me tell you something, liar:

Liar - yep - You been running.
False accusation by Dani - The Liar?
"Ahh well Mike - you also said I was the one who wrote the gang-bang
posts when I did not. " (NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:34:09
GMT
)( Dani

)(a)
Humm did I? And where is that post, eh Dani?

Boring. Lets get back to something good shall we? You accused me of >saying you gang banged. I did? - Michael (b)

"You mean the posts where your best-bud Tone impersonated me on those
sex groups? Where did I accuse you of saying those posts were from
me?" (b)
Can you read, or are you retarded? Look at what you wrote and look at
what I asked.
Proof:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/0cecceff806d9daf?dmode=source&hl=en
(a)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/60aaa77de64b32df?dmode=source&hl=en
(b)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/60aaa77de64b32df?dmode=source&hl=en

I would NEVER, and have NEVER done anything of the sort.

Your Friend Krib does (DID) it too me many times. Amy did it to Tony
according to him.
you know that your freind
Amy ( LIBEL - accuses me of pedophilia, incest , conspiracy,
homosexuality, perverted sexual activities - she spams these
repeatedly with no regard to decency.- admitted to using multiple
names, multiple accounts [ she even pointed it out] including a
teranews account, also accusing me of posting gay bashing posts,
accusing me of having a satanic master; [ Been running from this for
over a year ] Accuses saying that Yahoo.com is actually teranwes, that
no company has options to send posts that will not be archived on
Google ( deja.com)

Especially to your family who are innocent bystanders.

I see your Friend Werewolfy is doing this to Tony again. You have no
brains that people see you as a fraud that you are, eh? everything you
ever said negative is thrown out the window with you lies to me.

But yet you're implicating me as having done such.

You need to answer me your false disgusting accusations.

Please do refer me to this alleged post of mine.

Your tanking Friends whom done this is all the proof we have of your
admittance that this behavior is deemed acceptable by you.
about posts - JUST DID - LOOK ABOVE - want to answer now? Or keep
running?

Dani

User: "tw"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	21 Jun 2005 03:02:46 AM

"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119292442.851444.25150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Your tanking Friends whom done this is all the proof we have of your
admittance that this behavior is deemed acceptable by you.

You know, they say that an infinite amont of monkeys with an infininte
amount of typewriters could reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare given
an infinite amount of time. I reckon it would take two monkeys about a day
and a half to reproduce the entire works of Mikey...
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User: "Boner the Cat"
Title: Re: Contest: Make a pig out of Quran	19 Jun 2005 07:55:55 AM

you are even more ignorant then the worse of the Muslims!
<TheSilver@Bullet.com> wrote in message
news:1119143403.3336b3c842ee9c8c3c2a4be7e20c086c@teranews...

Contest: Make a pig out of Quran
Recruit under fire for online event some think is in poor taste

June 18, 2005

An Army Reserve recruit from upstate New York is taking some flak for
his online contest to create a papier maché pig out of a Quran.

The contest is the creation of Jon Alvarez of Baldwinsville, N.Y., who
posted the event on his website, pabaah.com, which is an acronym for
Patriotic Americans Boycotting Anti-American Hollywood.

"The requirement for all entries is that the material used for all
entries must be comprised of pages from the Islamic Book of Peace (or
is it Piece, as in body pieces?)" he says on the site. "Originality in
design will carry great weight with the judges."

He even includes links to get free Qurans and instructions on papier
maché.

The winning entry will be auctioned off, with the proceeds to be split
between the winning artist and a charity benefiting children of U.S.
soldiers killed in action fighting the war on terror.

Alvarez, a staunch Republican, believes the event is meant to display
the hypocrisy of Muslim extremists.

"They haven't apologized for burning our flag, yet they expect people
to apologize for supposedly desecrating the Quran," he told the
Syracuse Post-Standard.

"This does nothing to further the conservative cause. You shame
patriotic Republican Americans everywhere, and you shame President
Bush with these kind of publicity stunts."

"If Muslims are outraged over this, then surely they will have no
problem expressing their outrage over the bombing of mosques and
innocents by the radicals amongst them ... or will they?"
It's unclear if the contest will have any impact on his fledgling
career in the military, as he's scheduled to report for basic training
in two months.

Maj. Jeff Wildeboer, operating officer with the Army Reserve 403rd
Civil Affairs Battalion in Mattydale, N.Y., told the Post-Standard the
contest only serves to be hurtful and stereotype Muslims, and is 180
degrees from the battalion's mission.

"We don't do stupid things to mock or punish a theology," Wildeboer
said. "It shows poor taste."

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