*
A cryptanalyst will only come in contact with Nostradamus' texts
if they are generally recognized as being enciphered in some
manner. Problem: They are not so recognized.
*
Given that they do not appear to be enciphered, the first
question a cryptanalyst might then ask is: Is it possible that
they use some form of steganography, i.e., that they hide a text
in plain sight?
*
Most commentators would respond truthfully: Not to our knowledge.
Had Nostradamus used such a device, its existence would have been
detected long ago.
*
Indeed, for more than 400 years, the enciphered nature of
Nostradamus' texts was never taken seriously. Personally, I
studied them for twenty-five years (1969-1994) without ever
realizing that they were a form of polygraphic and steganographic
cipher. Why not? Because I thought (like most of my predecessors)
that, had it been there, someone else before me would have
discovered it. So, my original study of his texts was done in the
most classical manner, i.e., attempting to give the proper
meaning to all the words of a given poem.
*
Cryptanalysts know that -- when a steganographic method of
encipherment is used -- the published text is sometimes stilted
in some manner. The reason for this is obvious: Having to conform
to some hidden rule, its author *has to* do certain things to his
text which are not natural.
*
The next logical question then becomes: Did Nostradamus write in
a manner which suggests that his writings are not natural? And
the answer is a resounding YES!
*
Those who are in the worst possible situation to assess the
unnatural character of Nostradamus' writings are those who know
them best. To a point that they call this so unnatural manner of
writing... Nostradamus' style!
*
Which in turn explains why most, if not all, commentators of
Nostradamus' works cannot possibly see the anomalies they
contain. They have grown so accustomed to their peculiarities
that they cannot possibly bring themselves to acknowledge that
they have been blind to their *raison d'être* for so long.
*
Not to mention, of course, the fact that most of these folks have
books to defend, and are not about to admit that these books miss
that point entirely. In this NewsGroup, over the past ten years,
Rino Mailloux, Jean-René Guernon and Peter Ewart Britton, a.k.a.
Peter Lemesurier, have all steadfastly stood their ground in
refusing to consider the possibility of enciphered texts.
*
The anonymous trolls supporting (and in some cases plagiarizing)
their views here, are nothing but a cohort of active and retired
Anglo-Saxon military goons who lack the basic knowledge necessary
to assess the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
*
What can't they see? That Nostradamus' texts are constructed in a
manner which escapes logic. They read translations of them into
English, the worst possible way to deal with them, as those
translations tend to make sense of that nonsense. Some even make
these translations rhyme in English as well!
*
From a cryptanalyst's point of view, how could Nostradamus' texts
be described?
*
First, they contain their own encipherment/decipherment tools. No
need for *external* keys, codewords, etc. Everything one needs to
decipher the text is already there, in plain sight. Hence, its
steganographic nature.
*
Second, they have been enciphered in a manner which keeps the
number of letter substitutions to a minimum. Most letters from
the enciphered text find themselves in the plain or deciphered
text.
*
Third, the subject matter of the obscure text reveals itself in
the plain text. The cryptanalyst therefore knows before starting
his decipherment which topic the plain text will likely talk
about.
*
With these main points in mind, the cryptanalyst will eventually
realize that each line of enciphered text produces one line of
deciphered text, the enciphered text having been much more
convoluted than the deciphered one.
*
He will also eventually discover that the deciphered text always
obeys the same rule: No deciphered word may be written with more
than one letter substitution.
*
Finally, given the nature of the line-based cryptic anagram,
which is the manner in which Nostradamus has enciphered all his
published texts, the cryptanalyst will realize that this method
allows for more than one solution to be found. Eventually, he
will discover that ALL LINES of enciphered text, EVERYWHERE,
contain a piece of the puzzle concerning ONE, AND ONLY ONE future
event: The unintended destruction of Paris, on Sunday, August 13,
2017, at 3:53 a.m.
*
To the cryptanalyst, the real key to Nostradamus' cryptogram is
the fact that thousands of enciphered lines of text ALWAYS
produce the same result: A vivid description of the circumstances
leading to the worst mistake in human history, committed by the
US military. (Hence the persistent attacks by this same military
and its allies upon what you have just read here.)
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Claude Latrémouille % -- "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' -- %
Le 12 mars 2007 --- % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses,- %
APNCL#1498 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
*
=== ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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12 Mar 2007 09:30:29 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:et3ikq$fjm$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Not to mention, of course, the fact that most of these folks have
books to defend, and are not about to admit that these books miss
that point entirely. In this NewsGroup, over the past ten years,
Rino Mailloux, Jean-René Guernon and Peter Ewart Britton, a.k.a.
Peter Lemesurier, have all steadfastly stood their ground in
refusing to consider the possibility of enciphered texts.
Is it also possible that they make such a stand because they are correct?
You claim they oppose YOUR anagrams simply because they have their own
books to sell but what of those of us that have no such thing to defend?
The anonymous trolls supporting (and in some cases plagiarizing)
their views here, are nothing but a cohort of active and retired
Anglo-Saxon military goons who lack the basic knowledge necessary
to assess the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
Ah yes, your old argument that because YOU say something it must be so,
hence your inability to see the obvious flaws in YOUR anagrams and
your unwillingness to answer any questions about them that you don't
actually raise yourself.
Let's see... "a cohort of active and retired Anglo-Saxon military goons"
Exactly what has that got to do with opposing YOUR anagrams fraude?
Let's also see... "who lack the basic knowledge necessary to assess the
enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts"
Well, well so you know exactly what languages and abilities everybody in
APN has do you?
Of course, for a long time, you've pretended that only a fluent French speaker
can possibly make sense of the nuances of the language, you seem to conveniently
ignore that you're not French, that you speak a bastardized version of French
that contains many differences to the mother tongue and, of course, you don't
speak the same language that the Seer did anyway. So, what is so special about
YOU, other than your massive ego and fat head, that makes YOU able to work
in a dead, foreign tongue yet no-one else in here can eh?
What can't they see? That Nostradamus' texts are constructed in a
manner which escapes logic. They read translations of them into
English, the worst possible way to deal with them, as those
translations tend to make sense of that nonsense. Some even make
these translations rhyme in English as well!
Tut Tut, that's awful fraude isn't it? why don't you take your special skills and
actually discuss this in French in a French newsgroup then? even better, create your
own newsgroup dedicated to fellow liars and frauds and dwell within that?
To the cryptanalyst,
Have you consulted any fraude? surely you don't pretend to be one of those too?
the real key to Nostradamus' cryptogram is
the fact that thousands of enciphered lines of text ALWAYS
produce the same result:
Or it could just be a sign that you're a fantasist with a fetish for nuclear weapons.
Why is it you avoid answering questions about your consistent failure to extrapolate
a future event from the texts? if YOUR anagrams were put there by the seer why is
it they display YOUR ignorance of the world, weapons and so many things?
Any chance you want to actually discuss your fantasies or is it easier for you to persist
in carrying on making up your own questions to answer?
A vivid description of the circumstances
leading to the worst mistake in human history, committed by the
US military. (Hence the persistent attacks by this same military
and its allies upon what you have just read here.)
Ah more lies, more pathetic justification for your fantasies ;0)
You're a fraud and a liar.
--
krib
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Cryptanalysis of Nostradamus' texts |
12 Mar 2007 10:11:33 AM |
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"Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:9udJh.4841$xE1.4432@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:et3ikq$fjm$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Not to mention, of course, the fact that most of these folks have
books to defend, and are not about to admit that these books miss
that point entirely. In this NewsGroup, over the past ten years,
Rino Mailloux, Jean-René Guernon and Peter Ewart Britton, a.k.a.
Peter Lemesurier, have all steadfastly stood their ground in
refusing to consider the possibility of enciphered texts.
Ah more lies, more pathetic justification for your fantasies ;0)
You're a fraud and a liar.
--
krib
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....*YAwn* ;))~ Where is your stop or pause button?
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Cryptanalysis of Nostradamus' texts |
12 Mar 2007 09:58:23 AM |
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On Mar 12, 2:30?pm, "Krib" <kri...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
you seem to conveniently ignore that you're not French, that you
speak a bastardized version of French that contains many differences
to the mother tongue and, of course, you don't speak the same language
that the Seer did anyway. So, what is so special about YOU, other than
your massive ego and fat head, that makes YOU able to work in a dead,
foreign tongue yet no-one else in here can eh?
Interesting and very pertinent comment Krib. French must be the mother
tongue of any 'interpreter'...or the results will so often fall to the
ground through the smallest of nuances. It's hard work translating the
meaning, very hard work. Oh, the words themselves can be transposed,
but the meanings, the nuances must all be second nature to someone as
deeply involved as a 'cryptographer' must be.
Claude forgets that I am one of those ignorant Anglo-Saxons of a
military mind who can speak French, has lived the past twenty years in
France..and yet I would hesitate long and hard before daring to
suggest that a line meant one thing...especialy following a scrabble
board decryption.
Having just returned from a few days in France, spent talking French
non-stop to my daughter and to her University friends, I can say that
despite my familiarity with the language, I would never even think
about trying to examine the writings from a critical and exact
viewpoint.
I too, have wondered just how Claude is so 'different'. Perhaps it's
just the degree of sanity?
Werewolfy
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| User: "Krib" |
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| Title: Re: Cryptanalysis of Nostradamus' texts |
12 Mar 2007 10:27:03 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1173711503.043778.154570@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Hey Wolfy, been travelling much lately?
Interesting and very pertinent comment Krib. French must be the mother
tongue of any 'interpreter'...or the results will so often fall to the
ground through the smallest of nuances. It's hard work translating the
meaning, very hard work. Oh, the words themselves can be transposed,
but the meanings, the nuances must all be second nature to someone as
deeply involved as a 'cryptographer' must be.
Seems to me that Nostradamus' language is as archaic as that of say..
Shakespeare in the English tongue, claiming it's easier to understand it
because I speak modern English is simply a false premise, that's one of
fraude's arguments, it's as specious as most of his others.
Claude forgets that I am one of those ignorant Anglo-Saxons of a
military mind who can speak French, has lived the past twenty years in
France..and yet I would hesitate long and hard before daring to
suggest that a line meant one thing...especialy following a scrabble
board decryption.
I have no doubt his anagrams exist, I just don't believe they are put there
by anybody but fraude himself, they reflect his own ignorance and his
own bias, events in his past contain rich detail as one would expect with
his viewpoint but the main event they are supposed to be about are pretty
sketchy... a further indication to me that they are imaginary.
Having just returned from a few days in France, spent talking French
non-stop to my daughter and to her University friends, I can say that
despite my familiarity with the language, I would never even think
about trying to examine the writings from a critical and exact
viewpoint.
I'm sure it wouldn't take you long to get back into the flow of the
language, I find I do the same on some of my trips elsewhere.
I too, have wondered just how Claude is so 'different'. Perhaps it's
just the degree of sanity?
Just his imagination I think, just like all the ***** he purveys.
--
krib
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Cryptanalysis of Nostradamus' texts |
12 Mar 2007 04:54:42 PM |
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On Mar 12, 10:55 pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
*
A cryptanalyst will only come in contact with Nostradamus' texts
if they are generally recognized as being enciphered in some
manner. Problem: They are not so recognized.
*
Given that they do not appear to be enciphered, the first
question a cryptanalyst might then ask is: Is it possible that
they use some form of steganography, i.e., that they hide a text
in plain sight?
*
Most commentators would respond truthfully: Not to our knowledge.
Had Nostradamus used such a device, its existence would have been
detected long ago.
*
Indeed, for more than 400 years, the enciphered nature of
Nostradamus' texts was never taken seriously. Personally, I
studied them for twenty-five years(1969-1994) without ever
realizing that they were a form of polygraphic and steganographic
cipher. Why not? Because I thought (like most of my predecessors)
that, had it been there, someone else before me would have
discovered it. So, my original study of his texts was done in the
most classical manner, i.e., attempting to give the proper
meaning to all the words of a given poem.
*
Cryptanalysts know that -- when a steganographic method of
encipherment is used -- the published text is sometimes stilted
in some manner. The reason for this is obvious: Having to conform
to some hidden rule, its author *has to* do certain things to his
text which are not natural.
*
The next logical question then becomes: Did Nostradamus write in
a manner which suggests that his writings are not natural? And
the answer is a resounding YES!
*
Those who are in the worst possible situation to assess the
unnatural character of Nostradamus' writings are those who know
them best. To a point that they call this so unnatural manner of
writing... Nostradamus' style!
*
Which in turn explains why most, if not all, commentators of
Nostradamus' works cannot possibly see the anomalies they
contain. They have grown so accustomed to their peculiarities
that they cannot possibly bring themselves to acknowledge that
they have been blind to their *raison d'=EAtre* for so long.
*
Not to mention, of course, the fact that most of these folks have
books to defend, and are not about to admit that these books miss
that point entirely. In this NewsGroup, over the past ten years,
Rino Mailloux, Jean-Ren=E9 Guernon and Peter Ewart Britton, a.k.a.
Peter Lemesurier, have all steadfastly stood their ground in
refusing to consider the possibility of enciphered texts.
*
The anonymous trolls supporting (and in some cases plagiarizing)
their views here, are nothing but a cohort of active and retired
Anglo-Saxon military goons who lack the basic knowledge necessary
to assess the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
*
What can't they see? That Nostradamus' texts are constructed in a
manner which escapes logic. They read translations of them into
English, the worst possible way to deal with them, as those
translations tend to make sense of that nonsense. Some even make
these translations rhyme in English as well!
*>From a cryptanalyst's point of view, how could Nostradamus' texts
be described?
*
First, they contain their own encipherment/decipherment tools. No
need for *external* keys, codewords, etc. Everything one needs to
decipher the text is already there, in plain sight. Hence, its
steganographic nature.
*
Second, they have been enciphered in a manner which keeps the
number of letter substitutions to a minimum. Most letters from
the enciphered text find themselves in the plain or deciphered
text.
*
Third, the subject matter of the obscure text reveals itself in
the plain text. The cryptanalyst therefore knows before starting
his decipherment which topic the plain text will likely talk
about.
*
With these main points in mind, the cryptanalyst will eventually
realize that each line of enciphered text produces one line of
deciphered text, the enciphered text having been much more
convoluted than the deciphered one.
*
He will also eventually discover that the deciphered text always
obeys the same rule: No deciphered word may be written with more
than one letter substitution.
*
Finally, given the nature of the line-based cryptic anagram,
which is the manner in which Nostradamus has enciphered all his
published texts, the cryptanalyst will realize that this method
allows for more than one solution to be found. Eventually, he
will discover that ALL LINES of enciphered text, EVERYWHERE,
contain a piece of the puzzle concerning ONE, AND ONLY ONE future
event: The unintended destruction of Paris, on Sunday, August 13,
2017, at 3:53 a.m.
*
To the cryptanalyst, the real key to Nostradamus' cryptogram is
the fact that thousands of enciphered lines of text ALWAYS
produce the same result: A vivid description of the circumstances
leading to the worst mistake in human history, committed by the
US military. (Hence the persistent attacks by this same military
and its allies upon what you have just read here.)
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Claude Latr=E9mouille % -- "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' -- %
Le 12 mars 2007 --- % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses,- %
APNCL#1498 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
*
=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Perhaps the language of Metaphor and illusion escapes you, but that is
not the case if you are in the KNOW, because those thar Quatrains have
many riddles to catch those who believe just by reading a text it can
be comprehended, Mr Nostie put them in such a way to confuse those
very people, but nonetheless they can be understood and before the
event, it is CONTEXT another major hurdle that catches most, but look
at how you assume you are the one who can take a rhyme break it down
to an atomic level and construct in your own image, but here is the
real clincher, you expect us to believe you, without any prior hits or
cogent scenario.
LB
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