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User: "Absolute Zero"
Date: 21 Dec 2004 07:49:13 AM
Object: Damn ACLU at it again...
Here's a story I couldn't find on WorldNutDaily - they seem obssessed
with Christmas...
Bush White House's Christ-less Christmas
Dreaming of a wiped Christmas
Anti-Christmas district hit with federal lawsuit
UK Christmas: Drink, shop, commit crime
No-Santa zones created
Santa 'more concrete than God'
WND Christmas 'Clearance Sale' saves you 33-80%
and on and on and on... must be snow news day :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4113679.stm
=>
New jail abuse allegations hit US
Memos between FBI officials detailing abuses, some dated after the Abu
Ghraib jail scandal, were released as part of a lawsuit against the
government.
Others allege serious abuse of inmates held at the Guantanamo Bay naval
base, mostly captives from the Afghan war.
The American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to determine whether
the US was mistreating prisoners.
ACLU executive director Anthony Romero said the documents raised grave
questions about who was to blame for widespread detainee abuse.
"Top government officials can no longer hide from public scrutiny by
pointing the finger at a few low-ranking soldiers," he said.
Last week documents released for the case threw up fresh revelations of
abuse in Iraq by US marines, 13 of whom have been convicted and some jailed.
'Executive order'
The documents, which were obtained through the Freedom of Information
Act, are mostly made up of communications between FBI agents concerned
at seeing interrogation techniques they are prohibited from using in
their own investigations.

One of the memorandums released on Monday provided the account of an
agent who observed "serious physical abuses" in Iraq.
It was dated 24 June - two months after the extent of abuse at Baghdad's
Abu Ghraib prison was revealed - and was marked "urgent" and sent to FBI
Director Robert Mueller.
It described strangulation, beatings and the placing of lit cigarettes
into detainees' ears.
Another document said an executive order signed by President George W
Bush had authorised techniques such as "sleep management", stress
positions, use of military dogs and sensory deprivation.
The White House was quick to respond to this allegation, saying: "What
the FBI agent wrote in the e-mail is wrong. There is no executive order
on interrogation techniques."
Impersonation
A document relating to Guantanamo suggests that detainees - mostly
suspected Taleban and al-Qaeda fighters captured during the war in
Afghanistan - were shackled to the floor in foetal positions for more
than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water and allowed to
defecate on themselves.
One detainee's air conditioning was turned off in an unventilated room,
making it unbearably hot, it was reported.
"The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair
next to him," the memo said. "He had apparently been literally pulling
his own hair out throughout the night."
Other allegations contained in the e-mails include:
* That military interrogators impersonated FBI agents, apparently
to avoid possible blame in subsequent inquiries
* That this method was approved by Deputy Defence Secretary Paul
Wolfowitz
* The rape of a juvenile male detainee at Abu Ghraib prison,
currently under investigation
* That one Guantanamo detainee was wrapped in an Israeli flag and
bombarded with loud music in an apparent attempt to soften his
resistance to interrogation.
The Pentagon has not commented on the latest allegations of abuse, but
spokesman Bryan Whitman denied that Mr Wolfowitz had approved
impersonation techniques.
The department has also said in relation to previous cases that it did
not tolerate abusive tactics.
Some allegations in the documents are under investigation, the Pentagon
added.
<=
-A
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 21 Dec 2004 04:09:39 PM
Absolute Zero wrote:

Here's a story I couldn't find on WorldNutDaily - they seem obssessed
with Christmas...

Bush White House's Christ-less Christmas
Dreaming of a wiped Christmas
Anti-Christmas district hit with federal lawsuit
UK Christmas: Drink, shop, commit crime
No-Santa zones created
Santa 'more concrete than God'
WND Christmas 'Clearance Sale' saves you 33-80%
and on and on and on... must be snow news day :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4113679.stm
=>
New jail abuse allegations hit US

Memos between FBI officials detailing abuses, some dated after the

Abu

Ghraib jail scandal, were released as part of a lawsuit against the
government.

Others allege serious abuse of inmates held at the Guantanamo Bay

naval

base, mostly captives from the Afghan war.

If you were connected to Guantanamo and you want some of that American
pie, you claim abuse along with a lawyer who will not let this rest and
will work hard for many years until the laws change where he can get a
settlement because America has got the loot. ;) .trust me terrorist are
greedy too. )


The American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to determine

whether

the US was mistreating prisoners.

ACLU executive director Anthony Romero said the documents raised

grave

questions about who was to blame for widespread detainee abuse.

"Top government officials can no longer hide from public scrutiny by
pointing the finger at a few low-ranking soldiers," he said.

Last week documents released for the case threw up fresh revelations

of

abuse in Iraq by US marines, 13 of whom have been convicted and some

jailed.
Wow Convicted. In terrorist land they are not convinced but applauded.
Maybe you should join their side ;) More freedoms, eh?


'Executive order'

The documents, which were obtained through the Freedom of Information
Act, are mostly made up of communications between FBI agents

concerned

at seeing interrogation techniques they are prohibited from using in
their own investigations.

Stop the interrogation techniques - give each one a nuclear weapon and
call it even. Everyone happy, eh?


One of the memorandums released on Monday provided the account of an
agent who observed "serious physical abuses" in Iraq.

"One"? The just said this was widespread? Ohhh Forgot this is the lefty
media of self hatred ;)


It was dated 24 June - two months after the extent of abuse at

Baghdad's

Abu Ghraib prison was revealed - and was marked "urgent" and sent to

FBI

Director Robert Mueller.

It described strangulation, beatings and the placing of lit

cigarettes

into detainees' ears.

Another document said an executive order signed by President George W
Bush had authorised techniques such as "sleep management",

Old as war.

stress
positions, use of military dogs and sensory deprivation.

The White House was quick to respond to this allegation, saying:

"What

the FBI agent wrote in the e-mail is wrong.

Ohh another deluded lefty in the FBI. Don't worry when Clinton was
busy bombing civilians in 1999 - it was somehow honorable ;)

There is no executive order
on interrogation techniques."

Impersonation

A document relating to Guantanamo suggests that detainees - mostly
suspected Taleban and al-Qaeda fighters captured during the war in
Afghanistan - were shackled to the floor in foetal positions for more
than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water and allowed to
defecate on themselves.

One detainee's air conditioning was turned off

My GOD call in the infantry - give his thirty years :0

in an unventilated room,
making it unbearably hot, it was reported.

"The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair
next to him," the memo said. "He had apparently been literally

pulling

his own hair out throughout the night."

Other allegations contained in the e-mails include:

* That military interrogators impersonated FBI agents,

apparently

to avoid possible blame in subsequent inquiries

* That this method was approved by Deputy Defence Secretary Paul
Wolfowitz

* The rape of a juvenile male detainee at Abu Ghraib prison,
currently under investigation

* That one Guantanamo detainee was wrapped in an Israeli flag

and

bombarded with loud music in an apparent attempt to soften his
resistance to interrogation.

The Pentagon has not commented on the latest allegations of abuse,

but

spokesman Bryan Whitman denied that Mr Wolfowitz had approved
impersonation techniques.

The department has also said in relation to previous cases that it

did

not tolerate abusive tactics.

Some allegations in the documents are under investigation, the

Pentagon

added.
<=

Crap.
You want to see torture go to my front page:
http://www.MichaelReport.com

-A

.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 21 Dec 2004 04:51:47 PM
In article <1103666979.050315.129080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote:


Absolute Zero wrote:

Here's a story I couldn't find on WorldNutDaily - they seem obssessed


with Christmas...

Bush White House's Christ-less Christmas
Dreaming of a wiped Christmas
Anti-Christmas district hit with federal lawsuit
UK Christmas: Drink, shop, commit crime
No-Santa zones created
Santa 'more concrete than God'
WND Christmas 'Clearance Sale' saves you 33-80%
and on and on and on... must be snow news day :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4113679.stm
=>
New jail abuse allegations hit US

Memos between FBI officials detailing abuses, some dated after the

Abu

Ghraib jail scandal, were released as part of a lawsuit against the
government.

Others allege serious abuse of inmates held at the Guantanamo Bay

naval

base, mostly captives from the Afghan war.

If you were connected to Guantanamo and you want some of that American
pie, you claim abuse along with a lawyer who will not let this rest and
will work hard for many years until the laws change where he can get a
settlement because America has got the loot. ;) .trust me terrorist are
greedy too. )

Might want to reread the bit about "Memoes between FBI officials detailing
abuses". If the claims are supported by internal FBI memos, and some of them
are - right down to draping inmates with Israeli flags - then they are evidently
not fraudulent claims.
If I were Israel, I'd be pretty ticked about using my national flag in such a
manner.
Woods
.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 21 Dec 2004 05:01:37 PM
Still, even if this true in which my responce was directed, This is
crap compared to war in history. WWI,II , Veitnam, and all major wars
in history are pumped full of ill treatment that spans crap
uncomparable to draping flags and turning off air conditioners.
If you want to cite me a real large war in which *no torture or abuse*
went along with it then I might learn something - but till then this
is crap kiddy *****. You want to see modern day torture go to
http://www.MichaelReport.com and see some of the pictures on a
front-page link. You wont miss the link or the comparison
incompatibilities.
Flags or bags on their heads - give me a break. Absurd.
.


User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 21 Dec 2004 04:20:07 PM
Michael Johnathan McDonald wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:

Here's a story I couldn't find on WorldNutDaily - they seem obssessed



with Christmas...

Bush White House's Christ-less Christmas
Dreaming of a wiped Christmas
Anti-Christmas district hit with federal lawsuit
UK Christmas: Drink, shop, commit crime
No-Santa zones created
Santa 'more concrete than God'
WND Christmas 'Clearance Sale' saves you 33-80%
and on and on and on... must be snow news day :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4113679.stm
=>
New jail abuse allegations hit US

Memos between FBI officials detailing abuses, some dated after the


Abu

Ghraib jail scandal, were released as part of a lawsuit against the
government.

Others allege serious abuse of inmates held at the Guantanamo Bay


naval

base, mostly captives from the Afghan war.


If you were connected to Guantanamo and you want some of that American
pie, you claim abuse along with a lawyer who will not let this rest and
will work hard for many years until the laws change where he can get a
settlement because America has got the loot. ;) .trust me terrorist are
greedy too. )

You seem to have missed the point that these accusations are coming from
internal FBI memos, not inmates.
-A



The American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to determine


whether

the US was mistreating prisoners.

ACLU executive director Anthony Romero said the documents raised


grave

questions about who was to blame for widespread detainee abuse.

"Top government officials can no longer hide from public scrutiny by
pointing the finger at a few low-ranking soldiers," he said.

Last week documents released for the case threw up fresh revelations


of

abuse in Iraq by US marines, 13 of whom have been convicted and some


jailed.

Wow Convicted. In terrorist land they are not convinced but applauded.
Maybe you should join their side ;) More freedoms, eh?

'Executive order'

The documents, which were obtained through the Freedom of Information



Act, are mostly made up of communications between FBI agents


concerned

at seeing interrogation techniques they are prohibited from using in
their own investigations.



Stop the interrogation techniques - give each one a nuclear weapon and
call it even. Everyone happy, eh?

One of the memorandums released on Monday provided the account of an
agent who observed "serious physical abuses" in Iraq.


"One"? The just said this was widespread? Ohhh Forgot this is the lefty
media of self hatred ;)

It was dated 24 June - two months after the extent of abuse at


Baghdad's

Abu Ghraib prison was revealed - and was marked "urgent" and sent to


FBI

Director Robert Mueller.

It described strangulation, beatings and the placing of lit


cigarettes

into detainees' ears.

Another document said an executive order signed by President George W



Bush had authorised techniques such as "sleep management",



Old as war.


stress
positions, use of military dogs and sensory deprivation.

The White House was quick to respond to this allegation, saying:


"What

the FBI agent wrote in the e-mail is wrong.




Ohh another deluded lefty in the FBI. Don't worry when Clinton was
busy bombing civilians in 1999 - it was somehow honorable ;)


There is no executive order
on interrogation techniques."

Impersonation

A document relating to Guantanamo suggests that detainees - mostly
suspected Taleban and al-Qaeda fighters captured during the war in
Afghanistan - were shackled to the floor in foetal positions for more



than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water and allowed to
defecate on themselves.

One detainee's air conditioning was turned off






My GOD call in the infantry - give his thirty years :0


in an unventilated room,
making it unbearably hot, it was reported.

"The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair



next to him," the memo said. "He had apparently been literally


pulling

his own hair out throughout the night."

Other allegations contained in the e-mails include:

* That military interrogators impersonated FBI agents,


apparently

to avoid possible blame in subsequent inquiries

* That this method was approved by Deputy Defence Secretary Paul



Wolfowitz

* The rape of a juvenile male detainee at Abu Ghraib prison,
currently under investigation

* That one Guantanamo detainee was wrapped in an Israeli flag


and

bombarded with loud music in an apparent attempt to soften his
resistance to interrogation.

The Pentagon has not commented on the latest allegations of abuse,


but

spokesman Bryan Whitman denied that Mr Wolfowitz had approved
impersonation techniques.

The department has also said in relation to previous cases that it


did

not tolerate abusive tactics.

Some allegations in the documents are under investigation, the


Pentagon

added.
<=



Crap.

You want to see torture go to my front page:
http://www.MichaelReport.com

-A



.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 21 Dec 2004 04:55:04 PM
Absolute Zero wrote:

Michael Johnathan McDonald wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:


You seem to have missed the point that these accusations are coming

from

internal FBI memos, not inmates.

-A

Infiltrated?
Whoops, Go back to the internal war in FBI & CIA. The left and right
are viciously fighting for control of these intelligence cabals. They,
at least some internally, believe they can control destiny by sheer
party 'name sake.' Well if the lefty FBI says so - it must be
true, right?
I thought we wanted to ban the FBI for foreign affairs. They belong in
the civilian sector and that is what they were trained for originally.
.
User: "Grantland"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 22 Dec 2004 12:57:23 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:

Michael Johnathan McDonald wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:


You seem to have missed the point that these accusations are coming

from

internal FBI memos, not inmates.

-A

Infiltrated?

Whoops, Go back to the internal war in FBI & CIA. The left and right
are viciously fighting for control of these intelligence cabals. They,
at least some internally, believe they can control destiny by sheer
party 'name sake.' Well if the lefty FBI says so - it must be
true, right?

I thought we wanted to ban the FBI for foreign affairs. They belong in
the civilian sector and that is what they were trained for originally.

SHUT UP! Shut yor mouth cabbage. Dirty.
wally
.


User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Damn ACLU at it again... 21 Dec 2004 05:06:24 PM
Absolute Zero wrote:

Michael Johnathan McDonald wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:


You seem to have missed the point that these accusations are coming

from

internal FBI memos, not inmates.

-A

Infiltrated?
Whoops, Go back to the internal war in FBI & CIA. The left and right
are viciously fighting for control of these intelligence cabals. They,
at least some internally, believe they can control destiny by sheer
party 'name sake.' Well if the lefty FBI says so - it must be
true, right?
I thought we wanted to ban the FBI for foreign affairs. They belong in
the civilian sector and that is what they were trained for originally.
.




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