On Aug 21, 9:23 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:

After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation,

I have to admit, Mr. Woods and I are seriously considering taking our

big,

fat retirement pensions and IRAs to Canada when retirement time comes
around. My daughter really wants to move there, but doesn't see much

the

way of job opportunities for a U.S.-trained lawyer in Canada. But,

things continue to decline here, she's mentioned going to McGill and
getting another set of qualifications.

Woods

Things are declining here because of people like you, people who do
nothing but attack
their won government, vote for Liberals who want socialism, support
illegal aliens etc.

Why don't you permanently move out of the USA then ?

Because there is a battle going on for the soul of America and
although
things look bleak, in the end we will prevail.

Then you want to run from the problems you caused. You think Canada is
better?

I hope you don't get seriously ill when you're up there, you might
have to wait
months to get medical treatment.

On Aug 21, 9:32 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:

After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation,

the Words

On Aug 11, 8:32 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:

On Aug 10, 11:47 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
.

Yet people are waiting in line to move here. Have you ever noticed

grateful immigrants are to be here?

I'd be grateful to escape the poverty and political repression US
backed governments created over many generations too.

Then why don't you pack up and move to Iran where you would
be quite comforatable suurrounded by your peers?

We won't have to.. you and your ilk will be driven out. It's already
been arranged.

Becareful what you wish for, if me and my "ilk" are driven out, you
and your ilk
will be enslaved by Islam.

It's a cool system. Maintain a brutal hegemony in Latin America and
reap the benefits of cheap labor after these impoverished victims
cross our open borders.

Yep, there are chips missing.

On Aug 21, 10:49 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:

On Aug 21, 4:50 pm,

On Aug 11, 8:32 am, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:

On Aug 10, 11:47 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
.

Yet people are waiting in line to move here. Have you ever noticed how
grateful immigrants are to be here?

I'd be grateful to escape the poverty and political repression US
backed governments created over many generations too.

Then why don't you pack up and move to Iran where you would
be quite comforatable suurrounded by your peers?

Iran probably wouldn't be a bad place to live today if Eisenhower and
the Dulles brothers had nurtured the secular, democratically elected
government that was in place there in 1953 instead of overthrowing it.

Uh, try dealing with today. Oh wait, you can't.

Would you care to read Madeleine Albright's apology to the Iranian
people for our participation in that fiasco?

Who gives a crap what she had to say about anything much less
something
that happened over 1/2 a century ago.

Try dealing with the fact that you now have a madman in charge of Iran
today.

I guess when you can't argue with the history our corporate and social
elites have created you have to run back to some simplistic whine
about people hating and then leaving their country.

You can sit there for the next 10 years thinking about what should
have
been done 54 years ago, but that isn't going to change anything today.

That's the trouble with your kind, no answers for today, just finger
pointing
about yesterday

On Aug 11, 1:07 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

I'm not happy about some things that take place in our country. I want
those things corrected, and in this case they have been. But to pick
out the absolute *worst* of the worst among 60,000 graduates, and
extrapolate that to the entire 60,000, is unfair. But that's exactly
what I'd expect from those who hate their own country.

It's a lot more fair than what happened to 200,000 Guatemalan
citizens, Stevie.

Your moral disconnect is screamingly obvious in this thread.

We voice our opposition to things Bill Clinton apologized for and you
call us America haters?

What are you some kind of mean, unfeeling propaganda machine? :-)

On Aug 11, 1:07 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

I'm not happy about some things that take place in our country. I want
those things corrected, and in this case they have been. But to pick
out the absolute *worst* of the worst among 60,000 graduates, and
extrapolate that to the entire 60,000, is unfair. But that's exactly
what I'd expect from those who hate their own country.

It's a lot more fair than what happened to 200,000 Guatemalan
citizens, Stevie.

Your moral disconnect is screamingly obvious in this thread.

We voice our opposition to things Bill Clinton apologized for and you
call us America haters?

What are you some kind of mean, unfeeling propaganda machine? :-)

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:07:48 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:

On Aug 11, 4:14 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:47:36 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:

On Aug 10, 7:34 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:17:13 -0700, John Lemke wrote:

On Aug 10, 9:37 pm,

On Aug 8, 5:59 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

It wasn't "the West", it was the United States. We have a very long
history of supporting insurrections and regimes that engage in civil
rights violations - that's what the School of the Americas was all about.
(Now called "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation", but
the agenda remains the same).

Woods

Where do you all buy your Kool-Aid?

http://www.soaw.org/

About the School of the Americas / Western Hemisphere Institute for
Security Cooperation

The US Army School of Americas (SOA), based in Fort Benning, Georgia,
trains Latin American security personnel in combat, counter-
insurgency, and counter-narcotics. SOA graduates are responsible for
some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. In 1996 the
Pentagon was forced to release training manuals used at the school
that advocated torture, extortion and execution. Among the SOA's
nearly 60,000 graduates are notorious dictators Manuel Noriega and
Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of
Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of
Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. Lower-level SOA graduates
have participated in human rights abuses that include the
assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero and the El Mozote Massacre of
900 civilians. (See Grads in the News).

Actually, I heard about SOA from my daughter, who learned about it from a
guest student at her prep school. The guest student broke down in tears
when she found out that not.one.student had ever heard of it, but
*everyone* in Central and South America knows about it, and thinks we all
know about, and support, it. That was in, oh, 1998 or so.

People in other countries hate us for a reason, and it ain't because
they're jealous.

Yet people are waiting in line to move here. Have you ever noticed how
grateful immigrants are to be here? It's really something to behold.
And then to balance that out, you just look at ungrateful leftists who
were born here and hate their own country -- to the point they believe
and promulgate everything they hear that puts their own country in the
worst possible light.

The only people that I can think of who hate their own country are those
that allow such things to happen by keeping quiet, refusing to question
actions, and condemning those who do care enough to try to do something
about it. Enablers are no friends.

I'm not happy about some things that take place in our country. I want
those things corrected, and in this case they have been. But to pick
out the absolute *worst* of the worst among 60,000 graduates, and
extrapolate that to the entire 60,000, is unfair. But that's exactly
what I'd expect from those who hate their own country.

They did what they were trained to do. They are trained to use torture
and ignore any type of human rights in the quest for population control.
That's what they do.

After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation,

On Aug 11, 7:14 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:47:36 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:

On Aug 10, 7:34 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:17:13 -0700, John Lemke wrote:

On Aug 10, 9:37 pm,

On Aug 8, 5:59 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

It wasn't "the West", it was the United States. We have a very

long

history of supporting insurrections and regimes that engage in

civil

rights violations - that's what the School of the Americas was

all about.

(Now called "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security

Cooperation", but

the agenda remains the same).

Woods

Where do you all buy your Kool-Aid?

http://www.soaw.org/

About the School of the Americas / Western Hemisphere Institute for
Security Cooperation

The US Army School of Americas (SOA), based in Fort Benning,

Georgia,

trains Latin American security personnel in combat, counter-
insurgency, and counter-narcotics. SOA graduates are responsible

for

some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. In 1996 the
Pentagon was forced to release training manuals used at the school
that advocated torture, extortion and execution. Among the SOA's
nearly 60,000 graduates are notorious dictators Manuel Noriega and
Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of
Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of
Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. Lower-level SOA

graduates

have participated in human rights abuses that include the
assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero and the El Mozote Massacre

of

900 civilians. (See Grads in the News).

Actually, I heard about SOA from my daughter, who learned about it

from a

guest student at her prep school. The guest student broke down in

tears

when she found out that not.one.student had ever heard of it, but
*everyone* in Central and South America knows about it, and thinks we

all

know about, and support, it. That was in, oh, 1998 or so.

People in other countries hate us for a reason, and it ain't because
they're jealous.

Yet people are waiting in line to move here. Have you ever noticed how
grateful immigrants are to be here? It's really something to behold.
And then to balance that out, you just look at ungrateful leftists who
were born here and hate their own country -- to the point they believe
and promulgate everything they hear that puts their own country in the
worst possible light.

The only people that I can think of who hate their own country are those
that allow such things to happen by keeping quiet, refusing to question
actions, and condemning those who do care enough to try to do something
about it. Enablers are no friends.

Woods

Your own wors convict you, you even try to justify the hatred that is
shown by Islamic radicals by saying the things you do.

The only thing I really hate are Nationalist-Socialist Reich wing-nut
bible-thumpers like you Gomer Pile. You're the American version of the
Taliban in Afghanistan. You probably want women to wear head coverings
and be obedient.

What do you like about this country? I never see you saying one word
about that, all you do is sit back and point fingers.

After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation,

On Aug 11, 7:14 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:47:36 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:

On Aug 10, 7:34 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:17:13 -0700, John Lemke wrote:

On Aug 10, 9:37 pm,

On Aug 8, 5:59 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

It wasn't "the West", it was the United States. We have a very

long

history of supporting insurrections and regimes that engage in

civil

rights violations - that's what the School of the Americas was

all about.

(Now called "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security

Cooperation", but

the agenda remains the same).

Woods

Where do you all buy your Kool-Aid?

http://www.soaw.org/

About the School of the Americas / Western Hemisphere Institute for
Security Cooperation

The US Army School of Americas (SOA), based in Fort Benning,

Georgia,

trains Latin American security personnel in combat, counter-
insurgency, and counter-narcotics. SOA graduates are responsible

for

some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. In 1996 the
Pentagon was forced to release training manuals used at the school
that advocated torture, extortion and execution. Among the SOA's
nearly 60,000 graduates are notorious dictators Manuel Noriega and
Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of
Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of
Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. Lower-level SOA

graduates

have participated in human rights abuses that include the
assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero and the El Mozote Massacre

of

900 civilians. (See Grads in the News).

Actually, I heard about SOA from my daughter, who learned about it

from a

guest student at her prep school. The guest student broke down in

tears

when she found out that not.one.student had ever heard of it, but
*everyone* in Central and South America knows about it, and thinks we

all

know about, and support, it. That was in, oh, 1998 or so.

People in other countries hate us for a reason, and it ain't because
they're jealous.

Yet people are waiting in line to move here. Have you ever noticed how
grateful immigrants are to be here? It's really something to behold.
And then to balance that out, you just look at ungrateful leftists who
were born here and hate their own country -- to the point they believe
and promulgate everything they hear that puts their own country in the
worst possible light.

The only people that I can think of who hate their own country are those
that allow such things to happen by keeping quiet, refusing to question
actions, and condemning those who do care enough to try to do something
about it. Enablers are no friends.

Woods

Your own wors convict you, you even try to justify the hatred that is
shown by Islamic radicals by saying the things you do.

The only thing I really hate are Nationalist-Socialist Reich wing-nut
bible-thumpers like you Gomer Pile. You're the American version of the
Taliban in Afghanistan. You probably want women to wear head coverings
and be obedient.

What do you like about this country? I never see you saying one word
about that, all you do is sit back and point fingers.

On Aug 10, 11:18 pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:

On Aug 10, 9:23 pm,

Man are you ever a confused individual.

For you from Robert Novak September 26/02

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/following.html

excerpts

An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease- producing and
poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to
Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the
report adds, the American- exported materials were identical to
microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf
War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used
biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the
current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.

The report then details 70 shipments (including anthrax bacillus) from
the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years,
concluding, ''It was later learned that these microorganisms exported
by the United States were identical to those the United Nations
inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare
program.''

Are you aware that such shipments were routinly made all over the
world
by Universities for research purposes?

Of course you're not, otherwise
you
wouldn't be babbling on as if the US government sent the Iraqi
government
biological materials when it never did. Thise samples of Anthrax and
other
biologicalls were sent from US and European Universites to
Universities in Iraq
and many opther countries around the world.

Bush the elder, who said recently that he ''hates'' Saddam, saw no
reason then to oust the Iraqi dictator. On the contrary, the
government's approval of exporting microorganisms to Iraq coincided
with the Bush administration's decision to save Saddam from defeat by
the Iranian mullahs.

You've got your dates messed up, Iraq and Iran signed a cease fire
before "Bush the elder" was elected.

Back to the propaganda room for you.