Do you think it's generally true that world travelers are more in a
position to accurately assess the comparative "value" of their home nation
when measured against their experiences in the nations they've visited?
And, secondarily, do you think that those who never travel, but educate
themselves with much information from eclectic sources (print,
electronic), are able to have a comparable accurate assessment of their
home nation's "value" comparatively?
And, finally, is the length and variety of the stay in a nation a
determining factor as to how accurate their comparative assessment is?
(i.e., is a two-week tourist-trap experience of lesser value than a longer
stay with a resident that includes play and work experience in that
nation?)
I'd truly like to have your opinions, world travelers and stay-at-homers!
Thank you.
Docrodile ;)
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25 Apr 2007 04:40:36 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:57:42 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
Do you think it's generally true that world travelers are more in a
position to accurately assess the comparative "value" of their home nation
when measured against their experiences in the nations they've visited?
And, secondarily, do you think that those who never travel, but educate
themselves with much information from eclectic sources (print,
electronic), are able to have a comparable accurate assessment of their
home nation's "value" comparatively?
And, finally, is the length and variety of the stay in a nation a
determining factor as to how accurate their comparative assessment is?
(i.e., is a two-week tourist-trap experience of lesser value than a longer
stay with a resident that includes play and work experience in that
nation?)
I'd truly like to have your opinions, world travelers and stay-at-homers!
Thank you.
Docrodile ;)
I don't think a touristy experience gives you anything of value except
mental relaxation. It certainly wouldn't give you any indication of the
culture of the area/country you're visiting! (After all, they're catering
to YOUR wants, not theirs!)
Woods
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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26 Apr 2007 02:52:47 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:57:42 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
Do you think it's generally true that world travelers are more in a
position to accurately assess the comparative "value" of their home
nation
when measured against their experiences in the nations they've visited?
And, secondarily, do you think that those who never travel, but educate
themselves with much information from eclectic sources (print,
electronic), are able to have a comparable accurate assessment of their
home nation's "value" comparatively?
And, finally, is the length and variety of the stay in a nation a
determining factor as to how accurate their comparative assessment is?
(i.e., is a two-week tourist-trap experience of lesser value than a
longer
stay with a resident that includes play and work experience in that
nation?)
I'd truly like to have your opinions, world travelers and stay-at-homers!
Thank you.
Docrodile ;)
I don't think a touristy experience gives you anything of value except
mental relaxation. It certainly wouldn't give you any indication of the
culture of the area/country you're visiting! (After all, they're catering
to YOUR wants, not theirs!)
It can take a long time to become aware of the subtleties of a different
culture or even a different city.
Woods
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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26 Apr 2007 03:48:14 AM |
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On Apr 25, 10:40=EF=BF=BDpm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
I don't think a touristy experience gives you anything of value except
mental relaxation. =A0It certainly wouldn't give you any indication of the
culture of the area/country you're visiting! (After all, they're catering
to YOUR wants, not theirs!)
Woodsy. As usual, spot on. Tourism is for holiday-makers who want to
drink, dance and relax.
The average tourist might as well do that in a cupboard for all the
culture they see.
The avid reader, Doc, will 'live' the accounts well enough. For that
person, perhaps reading is enough.
The true wanderer does exactly that, wanders. No plans, simply
impulse. No preference of hotel or seedy back street shed, no
distinction between a broken begger, a rich man of a common street
vendor. Just likes to have the sensation of 'I am here'.
That's the draw. The feeling of 'being really there'. The sights,
smells and noise which a different culture assails one with is so much
stronger than any effect that words can have.
It's a mattr of how much is enough. After reading, I want to
experience. Have to experience. It becomes compulsive. The world is
quite a varied and amazing place.
Stay and read..or go and see. Each to his own choice. For me, there is
only one answer.
Werewolfy
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26 Apr 2007 03:15:50 PM |
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Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The true wanderer does exactly that, wanders.
And what about sociopathic sock puppets? Do they
wonder too, or does nursy simply move them to
the garden on occasion?
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26 Apr 2007 03:29:50 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The true wanderer does exactly that, wanders.
And what about sociopathic sock puppets? Do they
wonder too, or does nursy simply move them to
the garden on occasion?
wonder or wander?
Are you wondering if wanderers wander or if wonderers wonder?
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krib
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26 Apr 2007 04:49:40 PM |
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"Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The true wanderer does exactly that, wanders.
And what about sociopathic sock puppets? Do they
wonder too, or does nursy simply move them to
the garden on occasion?
wonder or wander?
Are you wondering if wanderers wander or if wonderers wonder?
You nutcrack! That was my joke, created almost a year ago. You liked it and
so just decided to plagerized! Don't you have any creativity of your own?
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27 Apr 2007 02:57:04 AM |
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"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:U79Yh.132629$aG1.77765@pd7urf3no...
You nutcrack!
I am interested in your religion please xplain it in great detail so that I may
worship with you.
That was my joke, created almost a year ago. You liked it and so just decided to plagerized!
If you say so ronny lad then it must be the case.
Don't you have any creativity of your own?
Ask the bloke that does your thinking for you, sheepboy.
<bleat> down ronny! ;0)
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| User: "Dani" |
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26 Apr 2007 03:55:15 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:29:50 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
Are you wondering if wanderers wander or if wonderers wonder?
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
PS: *test* .. ;)
Dani
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27 Apr 2007 02:54:14 AM |
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"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8142335ee6s4sts57lp9ga36fi8nvredsp@4ax.com...
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
I wonder or wander?
PS: *test* .. ;)
Bless Ya ;0)
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krib
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| User: "Dani" |
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27 Apr 2007 06:06:50 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:54:14 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8142335ee6s4sts57lp9ga36fi8nvredsp@4ax.com...
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
I wonder or wander?
And I wander to wonder!
PS: *test* .. ;)
Bless Ya ;0)
.. ;)
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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28 Apr 2007 04:16:51 PM |
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"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:54:14 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8142335ee6s4sts57lp9ga36fi8nvredsp@4ax.com...
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
I wonder or wander?
And I wander to wonder!
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
PS: *test* .. ;)
Bless Ya ;0)
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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28 Apr 2007 06:11:28 PM |
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On Apr 28, 10:16?pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
Never pander to the urge to ponder, a world of wonder greets those who
wander. But should you wander, then stop to ponder, and pander at the
urge to wonder.
Werewolfy
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28 Apr 2007 07:16:32 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1177801888.681288.96580@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 28, 10:16?pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
Never pander to the urge to ponder, a world of wonder greets those who
wander. But should you wander, then stop to ponder, and pander at the
urge to wonder.
'pander'
That's an interesting word I never heard, used or seen before. I had to
look it up. Could be a useful word to add it to my vocabulary, but I'm still
not 100% sure how to use it.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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28 Apr 2007 07:50:57 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:16:32 +0000, mukyuk wrote:
"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1177801888.681288.96580@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 28, 10:16?pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
Never pander to the urge to ponder, a world of wonder greets those who
wander. But should you wander, then stop to ponder, and pander at the
urge to wonder.
'pander'
That's an interesting word I never heard, used or seen before. I had to
look it up. Could be a useful word to add it to my vocabulary, but I'm still
not 100% sure how to use it.
Bush panders to the extreme right wing fundie Christians.
;-)
Woods
Werewolfy
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01 May 2007 12:04:19 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:16:51 GMT, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bd0533pii9ie8ja7v3p0r38mgcc1rn4bt2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:54:14 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8142335ee6s4sts57lp9ga36fi8nvredsp@4ax.com...
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
I wonder or wander?
And I wander to wonder!
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
And I wonder what you're pondering while you wander over yonder!
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01 May 2007 03:41:15 PM |
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"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8ose33he74rjitl3jr1q047phmkumj1dj4@4ax.com...
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:16:51 GMT, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bd0533pii9ie8ja7v3p0r38mgcc1rn4bt2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:54:14 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8142335ee6s4sts57lp9ga36fi8nvredsp@4ax.com...
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
I wonder or wander?
And I wander to wonder!
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
And I wonder what you're pondering while you wander over yonder!
I wondered and pondered, but still forgot about 'yonder', what a terrible
blunder!!
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| User: "Dani" |
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02 May 2007 11:06:14 PM |
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On Tue, 01 May 2007 20:41:15 GMT, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8ose33he74rjitl3jr1q047phmkumj1dj4@4ax.com...
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:16:51 GMT, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bd0533pii9ie8ja7v3p0r38mgcc1rn4bt2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:54:14 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8142335ee6s4sts57lp9ga36fi8nvredsp@4ax.com...
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
I wonder or wander?
And I wander to wonder!
And I ponder if you wonder when to wander.
And I wonder what you're pondering while you wander over yonder!
I wondered and pondered, but still forgot about 'yonder', what a terrible
blunder!!
I wonder? And I grow fonder and fonder the more I wonder and wonder
if he's still waiting over yonder. And I dare to ponder if he'll be
there the next time I wander.
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26 Apr 2007 09:14:25 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Dani <d.b737@yahoo.com> Spat the
Words
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:29:50 GMT, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
Are you wondering if wanderers wander or if wonderers wonder?
Maybe he's wondering where wanderers wander while they're wondering
where to wander?
Ah, the wonders of wandering. The wandering mind wonders.
PS: *test* .. ;)
Dani
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27 Apr 2007 02:57:04 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns991ECDE533045rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
Ah, the wonders of wandering. The wandering mind wonders.
That was sheer poetry if you don't mind my saying so Perseid.
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krib
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27 Apr 2007 06:06:30 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns991ECDE533045rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
Ah, the wonders of wandering. The wandering mind wonders.
That was sheer poetry if you don't mind my saying so Perseid.
Why thank you.. compliment accepted.
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26 Apr 2007 04:05:50 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:40:36 -0400, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:57:42 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
Do you think it's generally true that world travelers are more in a
position to accurately assess the comparative "value" of their home nation
when measured against their experiences in the nations they've visited?
And, secondarily, do you think that those who never travel, but educate
themselves with much information from eclectic sources (print,
electronic), are able to have a comparable accurate assessment of their
home nation's "value" comparatively?
And, finally, is the length and variety of the stay in a nation a
determining factor as to how accurate their comparative assessment is?
(i.e., is a two-week tourist-trap experience of lesser value than a longer
stay with a resident that includes play and work experience in that
nation?)
I'd truly like to have your opinions, world travelers and stay-at-homers!
Thank you.
Docrodile ;)
I don't think a touristy experience gives you anything of value except
mental relaxation. It certainly wouldn't give you any indication of the
culture of the area/country you're visiting! (After all, they're catering
to YOUR wants, not theirs!)
This is the case if you're talking about the help, Woods (ie: the
staff at the hotels, the bartenders, the flight attendants, the cab
drivers etc). They *have* to be nice - it's their job. But the
everyday person on the street, in the clubs, in the bars and in the
restaurants who neither gains nor loses whether they're kind or rude
to you at the end of the day is the one who matters.
At least that's how it worked in my experience when I traveled to
Europe. I talked to the every day person...and partied with the every
day person!
Dani
Woods
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26 Apr 2007 05:24:16 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:05:50 -0400, Dani wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:40:36 -0400, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:57:42 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
Do you think it's generally true that world travelers are more in a
position to accurately assess the comparative "value" of their home nation
when measured against their experiences in the nations they've visited?
And, secondarily, do you think that those who never travel, but educate
themselves with much information from eclectic sources (print,
electronic), are able to have a comparable accurate assessment of their
home nation's "value" comparatively?
And, finally, is the length and variety of the stay in a nation a
determining factor as to how accurate their comparative assessment is?
(i.e., is a two-week tourist-trap experience of lesser value than a longer
stay with a resident that includes play and work experience in that
nation?)
I'd truly like to have your opinions, world travelers and stay-at-homers!
Thank you.
Docrodile ;)
I don't think a touristy experience gives you anything of value except
mental relaxation. It certainly wouldn't give you any indication of the
culture of the area/country you're visiting! (After all, they're catering
to YOUR wants, not theirs!)
This is the case if you're talking about the help, Woods (ie: the
staff at the hotels, the bartenders, the flight attendants, the cab
drivers etc). They *have* to be nice - it's their job. But the
everyday person on the street, in the clubs, in the bars and in the
restaurants who neither gains nor loses whether they're kind or rude
to you at the end of the day is the one who matters.
Depends on where you are. If you're in a region where the locals can't
afford any of that, the people you see around are likely other tourists.
I was thinking more like resort towns in the Caribbean than I was, say,
London (which I've never been to, but don't know as it fits a 'touristy'
area).
At least that's how it worked in my experience when I traveled to
Europe. I talked to the every day person...and partied with the every
day person!
Yeah, like I said, I wasn't thinking in terms of visiting a city, more
like visiting a Disneyland (a tourist spot).
Woods
Dani
Woods
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