Student gets F grade for mentioning God
'He told me you might as well
write about the Easter Bunny'
June 30, 2005
Bethany Hauf of Apple Valley, Calif., examines her report 'In God We
Trust' (photo: Victor Valley Daily Press)
A college in southern California is now investigating the case of a
student who says she was given an F for mentioning "God" against the
expressed wishes of her atheist instructor.
Bethany Hauf, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San
Bernadino, wrote the G-word 41 times in a paper titled "In God We
Trust," examining the role of religion in government.
She included "God" despite being told not to by adjunct English
instructor Michael Shefchik.
"He said it would offend others in class," Hauf, 34, told the Daily
Press. "I didn't realize God was taboo."
The mother of four from Apple Valley, Calif., is now demanding an
apology from the school, as well as a regrading of her 10-page report.
"I don't lose my First Amendment rights when I walk into that
college," she said.
"We are very serious about this situation," VVC spokesman Bill
Greulich told WorldNetDaily. "You have two rights in conflict – the
right to believe in what you believe in, and academic freedom. We're
going to take steps that are appropriate. We don't have all the facts
yet."
Greulich says Hauf began the process to challenge her grade by meeting
with the department chair, but did not continue up the chain of
command in her recourse. He says she could still do that, appealing to
the vice president, superintendent and president of the school.
Meanwhile, Hauf has contacted the American Center for Law & Justice,
which sent a letter to Patricia Spencer, president of VVC.
Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the ACLJ recounted in the letter what
Shefchik wrote to Bethany when she was getting approval for her
subject matter:
"I have one limiting factor – no mention of big 'G' gods, i.e., one,
true god argumentation," Shefchik stated.
"He told me you might as well write about the Easter Bunny," Hauf told
the Daily Press. "He wanted to censor the word God."
Shefchik has not been reached for comment, but Judy Solis, chair of
the English department, says Hauf was given three options: submit the
report with God included, make revisions and edit out the G-word, or
rewrite the entire report.
"She continued to write her paper," Solis told the Press. "She knew
what the consequences were."
Sekulow says Hauf should have had no ban on her freedom of speech or
religious views in the assignment.
"Bethany's paper discusses some of the evidences supporting a
hypothesis that, while the Constitution prohibits an established
church, religion was essential to the founding of the Nation and to
its governance thereafter," he writes.
"Her paper was not one written 'about God' per se. Nor was her paper
inherently and necessarily religious. And, in keeping with the
requirements of the assignment, it was assiduously supported with
citations to authority and written objectively. Consequently, even if,
in a country in which academic and constitutional freedoms are so
highly prized, it could be constitutional to impose a topical ban on
papers about big 'G' gods, it was sophomoric error to read Mrs. Hauf's
research paper as falling within the prohibited zone."
Despite the failing mark on the paper, Hauf passed the spring-semester
course with a final grade of C.
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30 Jun 2005 09:33:13 PM |
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<TheSilver@Bullet.com> wrote in message
news:1120156390.8996c3084af1b02eb4ea635ccbd2adc9@teranews...
Student gets F grade for mentioning God
'He told me you might as well
write about the Easter Bunny'
June 30, 2005
Bethany Hauf of Apple Valley, Calif., examines her report 'In God We
Trust' (photo: Victor Valley Daily Press)
A college in southern California is now investigating the case of a
student who says she was given an F for mentioning "God" against the
expressed wishes of her atheist instructor.
Bethany Hauf, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San
Bernadino, wrote the G-word 41 times in a paper titled "In God We
Trust," examining the role of religion in government.
She included "God" despite being told not to by adjunct English
instructor Michael Shefchik.
She was asked not to by her teacher. She should have respected his
wishes.... it's not like he told her she couldn't use 'God' _after_ giving
her an F. She knew the guidelines for her assignment, she willingly stepped
outside those guidelines, and so she was punished accodingly with a failing
grade.
What's wrong with this?
"He said it would offend others in class," Hauf, 34, told the Daily
Press. "I didn't realize God was taboo."
The mother of four from Apple Valley, Calif., is now demanding an
apology from the school, as well as a regrading of her 10-page report.
"I don't lose my First Amendment rights when I walk into that
college," she said.
No, but she is subject to the criteria of any assignment she under takes.
One of those criteria in this situation, was to write a paper without
mentioning 'God', and she could not do that. Thus, she failed.
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01 Jul 2005 09:04:33 AM |
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Aidan wrote:
<TheSilver@Bullet.com> wrote in message
news:1120156390.8996c3084af1b02eb4ea635ccbd2adc9@teranews...
Student gets F grade for mentioning God
'He told me you might as well
write about the Easter Bunny'
June 30, 2005
Bethany Hauf of Apple Valley, Calif., examines her report 'In God We
Trust' (photo: Victor Valley Daily Press)
A college in southern California is now investigating the case of a
student who says she was given an F for mentioning "God" against the
expressed wishes of her atheist instructor.
Bethany Hauf, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San
Bernadino, wrote the G-word 41 times in a paper titled "In God We
Trust," examining the role of religion in government.
She included "God" despite being told not to by adjunct English
instructor Michael Shefchik.
She was asked not to by her teacher. She should have respected his
wishes.... it's not like he told her she couldn't use 'God' _after_ giving
her an F. She knew the guidelines for her assignment, she willingly stepped
outside those guidelines, and so she was punished accodingly with a failing
grade.
Very true. If you are told to write an essay about an historical figure
and you instead write about yourself, that would give the same result.
Or, reporting on a writer of novels when you were instructed to report
on historians.
What's wrong with this?
Evidently, you should be able to toss "God" into anything and get a good
grade, regardless of whether you've followed the instructions of your
professor or not.
"He said it would offend others in class," Hauf, 34, told the Daily
Press. "I didn't realize God was taboo."
The mother of four from Apple Valley, Calif., is now demanding an
apology from the school, as well as a regrading of her 10-page report.
"I don't lose my First Amendment rights when I walk into that
college," she said.
No, but she is subject to the criteria of any assignment she under takes.
One of those criteria in this situation, was to write a paper without
mentioning 'God', and she could not do that. Thus, she failed.
I'm sure there was a bit more to it than that, but it certainly appears
that she failed to follow the terms and conditions of the assignment,
even after being given a chance to rectify it.
Woods
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01 Jul 2005 11:27:15 AM |
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Aiden wrote:
<TheSilver@Bullet.com> wrote in message
news:1120156390.8996c3084af1b02eb4ea635ccbd2adc9@teranews...
Student gets F grade for mentioning God
'He told me you might as well
write about the Easter Bunny'
June 30, 2005
Bethany Hauf of Apple Valley, Calif., examines her report 'In God We
Trust' (photo: Victor Valley Daily Press)
A college in southern California is now investigating the case of a
student who says she was given an F for mentioning "God" against the
expressed wishes of her atheist instructor.
Bethany Hauf, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San
Bernadino, wrote the G-word 41 times in a paper titled "In God We
Trust," examining the role of religion in government.
She included "God" despite being told not to by adjunct English
instructor Michael Shefchik.
She was asked not to by her teacher. She should have respected his
wishes.... it's not like he told her she couldn't use 'God' _after_ giving
her an F. She knew the guidelines for her assignment, she willingly stepped
outside those guidelines, and so she was punished accodingly with a failing
grade.
What's wrong with this?
Of course an Atheist moron like you wouldn't see anything wrong with
this.
Tony
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| User: "Aidan" |
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01 Jul 2005 09:27:14 PM |
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wrote:
Aiden wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1120156390.8996c3084af1b02eb4ea635ccbd2adc9@teranews...
Student gets F grade for mentioning God
'He told me you might as well
write about the Easter Bunny'
June 30, 2005
Bethany Hauf of Apple Valley, Calif., examines her report 'In God We
Trust' (photo: Victor Valley Daily Press)
A college in southern California is now investigating the case of a
student who says she was given an F for mentioning "God" against the
expressed wishes of her atheist instructor.
Bethany Hauf, a freshman at Victor Valley Community College near San
Bernadino, wrote the G-word 41 times in a paper titled "In God We
Trust," examining the role of religion in government.
She included "God" despite being told not to by adjunct English
instructor Michael Shefchik.
She was asked not to by her teacher. She should have respected his
wishes.... it's not like he told her she couldn't use 'God' _after_ giving
her an F. She knew the guidelines for her assignment, she willingly stepped
outside those guidelines, and so she was punished accodingly with a failing
grade.
What's wrong with this?
Of course an Atheist moron like you wouldn't see anything wrong with
this.
Who says I'm an atheist? My religious leanings are not relevent to this
anyway...
In the real world, when engadged in paid employment, your designated
role will generally come with a complete set of boundries and guidelines
that you have to adhear to. If you can't follow these rules, you lose
your job.
Being that college is mostly theoretical profession training, if you
will, one would expect that the training would incorporate elements that
would create similar constraints as might be seen in a real world work
place.
As you're once again missing an important point, let me outline it for
you: the teacher did not specifically rule out god of the chrisitan
faith. He ruled out ALL gods, from all faiths. He was not picking
specifically on christians, and aiming to limit their right to practice
their religion.
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01 Jul 2005 09:49:00 AM |
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*HIS* "ELECT" *POSTED*:
A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.
The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a
human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was
very small.
The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.
Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a
human; it was physically impossible.
The little girl said, "When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah".
The teacher asked, "What if Jonah went to hell?"
The little girl replied, "Then you ask him ".
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01 Jul 2005 11:28:30 AM |
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*HIS* "ELECT" *POSTED*:
A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.
The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a
human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was
very small.
The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.
Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a
human; it was physically impossible.
The little girl said, "When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah".
The teacher asked, "What if Jonah went to hell?"
The little girl replied, "Then you ask him ".
LOL!!!
Good one.
Tony
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