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User: "TonyZ2001"
Date: 14 Dec 2004 08:50:48 AM
Object: Edwards takes Electoral vote from Kerry
CBS
MN Elector Votes For Edwards
Dec 13, 2004 12:51 pm US/Central
St. Paul (AP) An unknown Minnesota Democrat earned a footnote in history Monday
by casting one of the state's 10 Electoral College votes for John Edwards, the
Democratic vice presidential running mate for John Kerry.
The Edwards vote apparently gives Minnesota its first ever "faithless elector,"
the dubious name for Electoral College members who snub the candidate who won
the state's popular vote in the general election. Kerry, who beat President
Bush in Minnesota but lost overall, wound up with nine of the state's electoral
votes.
No one claimed credit for the Edwards vote. Several electors said they
suspected that someone unconsciously mixed up the two Johns on the ticket
rather than purposefully made a political statement.
"If it was meant to be a protest-type vote I would be upfront and say `This is
how I voted,' said elector Frank Simon of Chaska. "It doesn't seem like anyone
is coming forth to say that."
Added elector Michael Meuers of Bemidji: "I'm certainly glad that the Electoral
College is not separated by one vote."
Bush is due to receive 286 electoral votes; Kerry was slated to get 252, but
the Minnesota vote will reduce that total. It takes 270 votes to win the
presidency.
Electors around the country meet in state capitols on the same day to vote.
Democrats made up the Minnesota slate because Kerry received 1,445,014 votes to
Bush's 1,346,695 in November.
Minnesota's voting began shortly after noon. Electors wrote their candidate's
name on an 81/2-inch-by-11-inch sheet of paper and put the ballots in a pine
box. Once all votes were in, Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer and an aide
pulled them out, counted them and announced the total. A tally sheet was sent
to Congress, which announces nationwide totals in January.
It may never be known who cast the Edwards ballot. The ballots aren't signed.
In response to public information requests, Kiffmeyer's office released copies
of the ballots along with other documents bearing signatures of the electors.
Some electors had distinguishable handwriting, but comparisons involving the
Edwards ballot were inconclusive.
Kiffmeyer, a Republican, said she was shocked to see the Edwards vote when
counting the ballots. She also thought that it was in error.
"It just shows the humanness of the process," she said. Even if an elector came
forward to admit a mistake, it is too late to change the ballot, she said.
Edwards received all 10 Minnesota votes for vice president in a separate round
of balloting.
In October, The Associated Press contacted electors and was able to reach all
10 Republicans and eight of 10 on the Democratic roster. All said they would
unequivocally support their party's candidate if called on to vote.
Minnesota is not among the states where political parties require their
electors to take formal pledges that they'll back the ticket. In some states,
electors can be hit with fines and misdemeanor charges for bucking the popular
vote.
Faithless electors are rare. The last case resembling the Minnesota balloting
was in 1988, when West Virginia elector voted for Democratic vice presidential
candidate Lloyd Bentsen over presidential candidate Michael Dukakis. She then
backed Dukakis for vice president.
The Web site of the nonprofit Center for Voting and Democracy, which documents
faithless electors in history, doesn't show any previous incidents involving
Minnesota electors. Neither did several other Web sites on the topic.
.

User: "GI Georgie"

Title: Re: Edwards takes Electoral vote from Kerry 14 Dec 2004 10:47:21 AM
I just heard Kerry telephoned Edwards to congratulate him on winning
1/10th of Minnesota!
gig
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041214095048.07586.00002195@mb-m01.aol.com...

CBS
MN Elector Votes For Edwards

Dec 13, 2004 12:51 pm US/Central
St. Paul (AP) An unknown Minnesota Democrat earned a footnote in history

Monday

by casting one of the state's 10 Electoral College votes for John

Edwards, the

Democratic vice presidential running mate for John Kerry.

The Edwards vote apparently gives Minnesota its first ever "faithless

elector,"

the dubious name for Electoral College members who snub the candidate

who won

the state's popular vote in the general election. Kerry, who beat

President

Bush in Minnesota but lost overall, wound up with nine of the state's

electoral

votes.

No one claimed credit for the Edwards vote. Several electors said they
suspected that someone unconsciously mixed up the two Johns on the

ticket

rather than purposefully made a political statement.

"If it was meant to be a protest-type vote I would be upfront and say

`This is

how I voted,' said elector Frank Simon of Chaska. "It doesn't seem like

anyone

is coming forth to say that."

Added elector Michael Meuers of Bemidji: "I'm certainly glad that the

Electoral

College is not separated by one vote."

Bush is due to receive 286 electoral votes; Kerry was slated to get 252,

but

the Minnesota vote will reduce that total. It takes 270 votes to win the
presidency.

Electors around the country meet in state capitols on the same day to

vote.

Democrats made up the Minnesota slate because Kerry received 1,445,014

votes to

Bush's 1,346,695 in November.

Minnesota's voting began shortly after noon. Electors wrote their

candidate's

name on an 81/2-inch-by-11-inch sheet of paper and put the ballots in a

pine

box. Once all votes were in, Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer and an

aide

pulled them out, counted them and announced the total. A tally sheet was

sent

to Congress, which announces nationwide totals in January.

It may never be known who cast the Edwards ballot. The ballots aren't

signed.


In response to public information requests, Kiffmeyer's office released

copies

of the ballots along with other documents bearing signatures of the

electors.

Some electors had distinguishable handwriting, but comparisons involving

the

Edwards ballot were inconclusive.

Kiffmeyer, a Republican, said she was shocked to see the Edwards vote

when

counting the ballots. She also thought that it was in error.

"It just shows the humanness of the process," she said. Even if an

elector came

forward to admit a mistake, it is too late to change the ballot, she

said.


Edwards received all 10 Minnesota votes for vice president in a separate

round

of balloting.

In October, The Associated Press contacted electors and was able to

reach all

10 Republicans and eight of 10 on the Democratic roster. All said they

would

unequivocally support their party's candidate if called on to vote.

Minnesota is not among the states where political parties require their
electors to take formal pledges that they'll back the ticket. In some

states,

electors can be hit with fines and misdemeanor charges for bucking the

popular

vote.

Faithless electors are rare. The last case resembling the Minnesota

balloting

was in 1988, when West Virginia elector voted for Democratic vice

presidential

candidate Lloyd Bentsen over presidential candidate Michael Dukakis. She

then

backed Dukakis for vice president.

The Web site of the nonprofit Center for Voting and Democracy, which

documents

faithless electors in history, doesn't show any previous incidents

involving

Minnesota electors. Neither did several other Web sites on the topic.



.

User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Edwards takes Electoral vote from Kerry 15 Dec 2004 05:57:13 AM
On 14 Dec 2004 14:50:48 GMT,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

No one claimed credit for the Edwards vote. Several electors said they
suspected that someone unconsciously mixed up the two Johns on the ticket
rather than purposefully made a political statement.

Well. Now that's nice to know. Good to see how your candidates can
be elected by one confused elector. I wonder if someone got George
"fuckhead" Bush mixed up John "*****" Kerry too. That would
explain a lot.
.


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