"Aidan" <nospam.aidan@linknet.com.au> wrote in message news:<newscache$80b95i$zq7$1@titan.linknet.com.au>...

"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I wasn't trying to offer a solution... my post was more of an observation
than anything else...

"I can't see any
way that the Palestinians are going to accept any kind of Peace
deal...
unless it involves the removal of said wall."

There is your solution which starts off by making you a liar. However,
between solution and observation you clearly cannot distinguish which
makes the rest of your post that I will read irrelevant because you
started off with a lie and or ignorance of stating your position and
solution "removal of said wall."

What are the first 3 words of that sentence?

They are: "I can't see "

But we already know this?

Clearly an obervational
comment... There's a major differnce between offering a solution, and
hypothesizing on how you think a particular group of people will act.

Whatever that meant we may have to get brain surgeons into diagnose
that brain fart. It is clearly all the problems, cited by you are the
wall and not the laws of the Moslems. Lets see if you addressed my
comment on walls in history and their relevance. So I will have to
loose my main topical argument and change it to yours just because you
are chicken and/or cannot at face value or in depth argue
point-to-point against mine. OK So I will need to go down many levels
to yours – I can do that ;)

By the way, was that supposed to make sense? If you wanna play the
gramma/spelling Nazi, then you should try some punctuation in your own
comments...

No your key attack phrase in their entire reply was gear all around
that one comment that I was a bigot. I thought it cute that you didn't
spell it correctly. ;) Clear it has disturbed you in your mess of
comments on it. So I guess your spelling is a gage in your opinion of
what is right and what is wrong in the world. I have saved some AP
copy that has spelling mistakes – does that mean the info is crap?
Clearly comments here from the lefties say it makes the difference
between liar and truth teller – which is why you are so damned upset
by you making your key attack sentence grammatically fallible. ;)

If you like to argue that is a opinion and not a stated solution, ( In
which it is incorporated in your opinion) be my guest. I like to see
you squirm )

LOL! Vice versa, sucker

Nice going waffle ;) Got syrup?

Boy... John Kerry would be proud that you acknowledged a different
position that what you first started explaining in this post and now
admitting 'Vice versa' now.

lol.

Regardless, what Israel thinks of this wall is of little consequence.
What
do you think Stalin thought of the Iron Curtain? I bet he thought it was
a
great idea, right?

Like I said it is irrelevant ***** you bring up in your argument. This
is not indicative of your past posting history of crap against me and
sometimes silly name calling.

Hmmm, so you're trying to discount my drawing parallels between modern
historical and current day events by throwing ad hominem attacks at me?
What's more, it doesn't even make any fucking sense.

You have a temperate memory that is why. The Iron curtain comparison
is childless and was used in fact as an insular piece of structure to
keep out the world, whereas the Jewish wall only keeps out local
terrorist people. Do you see the difference? I think your bigotry will
make you say no.

Both walls have 1 thing in common:

So fucking what? Are you dense or something? There is a huge
difference but you cannot see that being brain dead as you are. ;)

Of course there are differences, you blind or something?... I said they have
(at least) one thing in common: they are used to implement de jure
segregation.

But your comparison to a Communistic insular symbol ( the Iron
Curtain) and the Jewish wall is not a Democratic insular symbol, makes
me think that you cannot think at all? The Jews are not trying to keep
out the world or their people in as was the fact in communism. But, I
suspect more from you that what you are showing me as your
intelligence. The Iron curtain was not put up to keep out terrorists
like the Jewish wall is strictly for.

Want to argue that fact?

I just did and it looks like you make my point of your incomprehension
of comparative politics ;) You will soon see that I brought up valid
examples in history that link to what Israel is doing that makes much
sense.

they're built for
the sole purpose of de jure segregation. The Israeli government can
apply
whatever spin they want as to the purpose of the wall, it makes little
difference to the fact that IT IS de jure segregation.

Many countries did this in history. So did the Romans, so to speak. So
did the Egyptians, the Sumerians, the Minoans, the Greeks The Persian
empire. Got a problem with the whole fucking world? You are one dunce
little turd. You do not know ***** about politics or survival of a
state. That should tell you something, eh?

OK, so you name a bunch of old world civilizations, and say because they
used de jure segregation, it's OK for Israel to?

But we already know this?

Well, this is because of the relevance of my argument. This contrasts
to your irrelevance as I stated in the reply before this that the Iron
Curtain had no relevance to the argument. In history walls weere
fortifications for attacking armies who terrorized and threaten the
innocent people living on the outside that chose to live like that.
One example was the Bedouins (Generic term) of Arabia the other were
various mongols even dating back to attacks on Sumerian and Egyptians
kingdoms ( Mongols means men from the far east). to make my point of
politics, and backwardness' that the Moslems who like to live
primitive because Mohammad did and they think that they should emulate
his life, preferred to live on the outside of these walls and go into
the city to attack it and exact pay-off money. In these examples these
cities did not have walls - in case of the Egyptian example; while
others in the middle east had walls to keep out these nomadic,
wanderers, non-conformist civilizations who lived of terrorism. the
same examples were the Huns who loved to live nomadically and
terrorist the Hans ( China). The Huns began as terrorists on the silk
rode and China go so sick of this crap they began to ADD-On to the
great wall that was started in the BC era because of more terrorists
who had backward LAWS and lived uncivilized.

Now as I am slaughtering your argument to threads should I bring up a
simple off-topic question for you? You see coming into the argument I
already know about history of what walls are for – and I assume ( *****
out of myself) that you do too. This is cumbersome because I need to
re-write a different argument and challenge your bigotry claim against
me because you have no idea what laws do in society – and thus changed
the argument to walls' purposes that I though you knew – but didn't by
your statement above. This takes allot of my time to talk down to you
( See above statement in firsts parts of response) to tell you your
argument and then establish my counter. Do you like this exercise in
rhetoric because I have to go working on homework of what Barabrrosa
loves _ Conspiracies. But this is in Florence Italy with the Medici
and various Awakening of the western civilization out of the dark
ages. Please try to make your arguments more thorough and show me you
know what you are talking about so I do not have to write your
argument then reply with mine.


(See my History example of times and dates at website under history)

So what you're saying is, that Israel is employing almost medieval policies
to deal with the Palestinians?

History is cyclical, but the technology changed too - no rocks or
bricks this time ;)

Whats more, you've named some rather blood
thirsty empires there...

Perspective - I'm sure the Palestinians would not agree with your
assessment that the GREAT Persian Empire was bloodthirsty unless they
are self-effacing that is?

It doesn't really help your argument to compare
Israel to them...

Now the argument changed to history is Bunk?


Cope out. You just ran away or admitted defeat. Why? because where is
that not relevant to the argument? I just showed a DIRECT correlation
to history and you called it BUNK!

This argument style is called compartmentalizing. You should be proud
of the company you hold with proponents of the system: The premiere
nuclear proliferationist; some of the most vicious murderous men in
the world. Do you plan these things?

Compartmentalize the is the standard practice of the left. Mao was a
master at it; Stalin employed it from day one; Clinton was a genius
because of it; and you now use it to say ' all history is bunk' - Ahh
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.. Are you on Soma, by any chance? ;)

Infact, I'm sure there are Palestinians who would draw the
same parallels,

I do not know ask them and see? They love to compartmentalize this
argument and most of all the UN does.

and say that Israel is expanding its empire at the expense
of the Palestinians.

That region is too wrought with historical conflict it should be
tourist zone owned by all the nations in the world and no one can live
in it. But that is not what is going to happen so.....not going to
talk much about that.

Sure innocent people are hurt - but this peace thing has gone
on for decades and there is no resolve anymore. Many of the
Palestinians blow themselves up because their Islamic law keeps them
suppressed. They have nothing to live for. So why not blow themselves
up?

Thanks for supporting my theory...

You cannot form a thought as an example of your statement. I have
never seen you post what I wrote as something you promoted. I just
talked about "Islamic law." Now show me where this is your theory too.
And show me where you talked about this before on USENET and or show
me that you can't and are a liar like I established in the beginning
of this response? Got it! ;)

You said:

"They have nothing to live for"

My reply (paraphrase):

Here you go with compartmentalization. The Jews were kicked out of
everything in history and so was other peoples and other tribes all
over the world. Even in America the native Indians were displaced in
many regions and the US government NOW is trying to give them
reparations in gambling deals - but I do not see them terrorizing
cities? Do you. Actually they somewhat adopted the American laws and
live harmoniously by them.

"They've been forced out of Town centers and CBD's where they may have sold
or bought goods, seen doctors, attended educational facilities... nothing to
live for indeed"

Do you disagree that the Palestinians who are now behind this wall are
experiencing a much shittier/harsher quality of life than before it was
there? That change in quality has nothing to do with Islamic law, does it?
Nope, purely effected by Israels policy of de jure segregation.

IT IS THEIR LAW PAL.

The wall takes away what little fragments of a modern civilization the
Palestinians had.

That is not what I said so I could not be supporting your theory - but
go ahead and prove me wrong if you can. And show me different. My
statement and argument is that the wall has nothing to do with their
suppression BEFORE or AFTER This wall - that is my point and argument.
You show little depthness or resolve.

You support my theory via your misconception of Islam.

You do not know Islam nor do you know the politics of it. This is well
evident in this thread. You cannot comprehend history and bring up
compartmentalized lefty newspaper talking points which make me KNOW
you are not intelligent but a poser.

The Palestinians
behind this wall have seen their quality of life dive deep down into the
depths of poverty since it was erected,

*****, what a cope out. There lives were ***** before Israel ever
came there pal. There lives never changed. the only modern ***** they
have is the stuff they stole or bought out of necessity from the
'first world nations.' Ever read or understand their LAWS the culture
- it tells them to live like the days of Muhammad which carrying water
by hand etc...

And no I'm not a bigot - that is your lefty catch-all word to blame
anyone who doesn't but your lefty, racist crap.

It's the laws of Islam that cuases this heartache, it is the wall that
is the last response in a solution to stop the suicide bombers of a
suppressed society and...

YOU ARE A JOKE! You know nothing of Islam or its history and poo-poo
history altogether which shows you affiliation with the largest
murders in the 20th century.

Don't waist my time - my position is clear I argue it comprehensively
and you bring up lefty -news compartmentalization crap as your main
point. State your own relevant points. I said you reply before this
one had no relevance.

I'm not going to do a circular argument with ya?

ta..ta.... ;)