February 4, 2007
Ex U.S. military commanders warn against Iran attack
LONDON (Reuters) - Three former senior U.S. military officials warn that
any military action against Iran would have "disastrous consequences" and
urged Washington to hold immediate and unconditional talks with Tehran.
The Bush administration has increased the regularity and vehemence of its
accusations against Iran, prompting speculation it could be laying the
ground for military attack against the Islamic state.
Washington has also sent a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf, a move
seen as a warning to Iran which the United States accuses of seeking
atomic arms and fuelling instability in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle
East. Iran denies the charges.
In a letter to London's Sunday Times newspaper, the three former U.S.
military leaders said attacking Iran "would have disastrous consequences
for security in the region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further
exacerbate regional and global tensions," they wrote.
"The current crisis must be resolved through diplomacy," they said.
The letter was signed by retired army Lieutenant General Robert Gard, a
former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, retired
U.S. Marine Corps General Joseph Hoar, a former commander in chief of U.S.
Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, a former
director of the Center for Defense Information.
They urged the U.S. government to "engage immediately in direct talks with
the government of Iran without preconditions.
"There is time available to talk, we must ensure that we use it," they
said.
The three men have joined previous petitions calling on the Bush
administration to change course in its policy on Iran.
Washington broke ties with Iran in 1980. It has offered to hold direct
talks with Iran but only once Tehran halts its drive to produce nuclear
fuel through uranium enrichment.
Iran, which says it wants to enrich uranium to make nuclear reactor fuel,
not bombs, has refused.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday said Washington was not
planning for war with Iran, but again accused Tehran of supplying bombs
for deadly attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq.
Copyright © 2006 Reuters
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On Feb 4, 10:35=C2=A0am, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
February 4, 2007
Ex U.S. military commanders warn against Iran attack
LONDON (Reuters) - Three former senior U.S. military officials warn that
any military action against Iran would have "disastrous consequences" and
urged Washington to hold immediate and unconditional talks with Tehran.
The Bush administration has increased the regularity and vehemence of its
accusations against Iran, prompting speculation it could be laying the
ground for military attack against the Islamic state.
Washington has also sent a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf, a move
seen as a warning to Iran which the United States accuses of seeking
atomic arms and fuelling instability in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle
East. Iran denies the charges.
In a letter to London's Sunday Times newspaper, the three former U.S.
military leaders said attacking Iran "would have disastrous consequences
for security in the region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further
exacerbate regional and global tensions," they wrote.
"The current crisis must be resolved through diplomacy," they said.
The letter was signed by retired army Lieutenant General Robert Gard, a
former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, retired
U.S. Marine Corps General Joseph Hoar, a former commander in chief of U.S.
Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, a former
director of the Center for Defense Information.
They urged the U.S. government to "engage immediately in direct talks with
the government of Iran without preconditions.
"There is time available to talk, we must ensure that we use it," they
said.
The three men have joined previous petitions calling on the Bush
administration to change course in its policy on Iran.
Washington broke ties with Iran in 1980. It has offered to hold direct
talks with Iran but only once Tehran halts its drive to produce nuclear
fuel through uranium enrichment.
Iran, which says it wants to enrich uranium to make nuclear reactor fuel,
not bombs, has refused.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday said Washington was not
planning for war with Iran, but again accused Tehran of supplying bombs
for deadly attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq.
Copyright =C2=A9 2006 Reutershttp://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=3D=
/2007/2/4/worldupdates/2007...
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b95485120815.txt
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0201&articleId=3D4659
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03 Feb 2007 11:50:35 PM |
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The US has to deal with quite a feat.
a.. Iran has been identified as the world's leading state sponsor of
international terrorism, funding Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas, as
well as Shiite insurgent groups. Iran is even recruiting its youth and
students across the Middle East for suicide operations against Western
targets.
a.. Religious extremism, particularly Islamic fundamentalism, is one of the
key dangers in the world today. The Iranian President is a religious
extremist who believes that it is his destiny to trigger a period of chaos,
war and bloodshed in order for Islam to dominate the world.
a.. Nuclear proliferation is one of the greatest dangers to world peace. We
must act to stop Iran before it can develop nuclear technology, because the
Iranian President has said that he would share nuclear technology with other
Muslims.
a.. The President of Iran believes that he is creating an Islamic
"superpower," which will bring down the West, including the United States.
He says that he will have hundreds of millions of Muslim "holy raiders"
eager to become martyrs.
a.. The Iranian President does not believe the Holocaust happened and has
called for the destruction of Israel. If we do not act, we run the risk of
placating an extremist and making the same mistake we made with Hitler,
which led to World War II and the deaths of millions.
I doubt that they will start making concessions that will give ground to the
Iranians to claim some victory, knowing it won't change anything in what
they do in reality, despite what they say with their mouth.
I understand them to want to first see something from them before they make
any concession. Who are these pseudo military commanders? One is apparently
an old fart (Alzheimer?) to have been counseling McNamara. Not very reliable
bunch according to the little we have from your references...
J.
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eq368l$27n$1@aioe.org...
February 4, 2007
Ex U.S. military commanders warn against Iran attack
LONDON (Reuters) - Three former senior U.S. military officials warn that
any military action against Iran would have "disastrous consequences" and
urged Washington to hold immediate and unconditional talks with Tehran.
The Bush administration has increased the regularity and vehemence of its
accusations against Iran, prompting speculation it could be laying the
ground for military attack against the Islamic state.
Washington has also sent a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf, a move
seen as a warning to Iran which the United States accuses of seeking
atomic arms and fuelling instability in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle
East. Iran denies the charges.
In a letter to London's Sunday Times newspaper, the three former U.S.
military leaders said attacking Iran "would have disastrous consequences
for security in the region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further
exacerbate regional and global tensions," they wrote.
"The current crisis must be resolved through diplomacy," they said.
The letter was signed by retired army Lieutenant General Robert Gard, a
former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, retired
U.S. Marine Corps General Joseph Hoar, a former commander in chief of U.S.
Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, a former
director of the Center for Defense Information.
They urged the U.S. government to "engage immediately in direct talks with
the government of Iran without preconditions.
"There is time available to talk, we must ensure that we use it," they
said.
The three men have joined previous petitions calling on the Bush
administration to change course in its policy on Iran.
Washington broke ties with Iran in 1980. It has offered to hold direct
talks with Iran but only once Tehran halts its drive to produce nuclear
fuel through uranium enrichment.
Iran, which says it wants to enrich uranium to make nuclear reactor fuel,
not bombs, has refused.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday said Washington was not
planning for war with Iran, but again accused Tehran of supplying bombs
for deadly attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq.
Copyright © 2006 Reuters
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/2/4/worldupdates/2007-02-04T035239Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-286257-1&sec=Worldupdates
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04 Feb 2007 12:18:30 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Luexh.28898$Oa.26528@edtnps82...
The US has to deal with quite a feat.
a.. Iran has been identified as the world's leading state sponsor of
international terrorism, funding Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas, as
well as Shiite insurgent groups. Iran is even recruiting its youth and
students across the Middle East for suicide operations against Western
targets.
Yeah, that's what we've heard for many years now, Jeano.
a.. Religious extremism, particularly Islamic fundamentalism, is one of
the key dangers in the world today. The Iranian President is a
religious extremist who believes that it is his destiny to trigger a
period of chaos, war and bloodshed in order for Islam to dominate the
world.
And Christians hope Jesus will come back and be the world's sole spiritual
leader, after great death and destruction.
a.. Nuclear proliferation is one of the greatest dangers to world peace.
We must act to stop Iran before it can develop nuclear technology,
because the Iranian President has said that he would share nuclear
technology with other Muslims.
Pakistan and India have had it for years, and it acts as a deterrent to
conventional and WMD conflict.
a.. The President of Iran believes that he is creating an Islamic
"superpower," which will bring down the West, including the United
States. He says that he will have hundreds of millions of Muslim "holy
raiders" eager to become martyrs.
And the US and western corporate power are trying to suck all they can
outta' the Arabic people for profit and their hegemonious designs on that
area and the rest of the Third World are well known. Over 3000
'martyrs' -- American soldiers -- have died for oil, natural gas, and
other rich elitists' investments so far, and still counting.
a.. The Iranian President does not believe the Holocaust happened and
has called for the destruction of Israel. If we do not act, we run the
risk of placating an extremist and making the same mistake we made with
Hitler, which led to World War II and the deaths of millions.
He has called for Israel to be removed from the Middle Eastern map. How,
is a matter of interpretation and dispute among translators and analysts.
Hitler and Bush have much in common, too, and Cheney is like Mussolini.
I doubt that they will start making concessions that will give ground to
the Iranians to claim some victory, knowing it won't change anything in
what they do in reality, despite what they say with their mouth.
I understand them to want to first see something from them before they
make any concession. Who are these pseudo military commanders? One is
apparently an old fart (Alzheimer?) to have been counseling McNamara.
Not very reliable bunch according to the little we have from your
references...
J.
They are trying to head off a large conflict you'd like to see happen to
fulfill your interpretations of prophecy, and get your hated vented in
blood towards Muslims. We know about your well-documented bias toward the
Muslim faith, and Arabs, in general. They may be 'old farts' but they're
trying to stop an unneeded blood bath, while, on the other hand, the
assholes you support would like to see more blood spilled to cover their
ineptness, redirect attention away from their lies and blunders, justify
their illegal and unwarranted attack on Iraq, have folks forget they're in
the midst of a unwinnable civil war, ad nauseam. I'd like to see how you'd
look without your arms, Jeano...kind of hard to work the laptop after a
war disability like that. There have been over 2000 double amputees so far
on the American side. God knows how many Iraqis are missing limbs...but
it's all for the glory of God and prophecy, and righteousness,
nationalism, and all that fuckin' *****.
Docrodile
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eq368l$27n$1@aioe.org...
February 4, 2007
Ex U.S. military commanders warn against Iran attack
LONDON (Reuters) - Three former senior U.S. military officials warn
that any military action against Iran would have "disastrous
consequences" and urged Washington to hold immediate and unconditional
talks with Tehran.
The Bush administration has increased the regularity and vehemence of
its accusations against Iran, prompting speculation it could be laying
the ground for military attack against the Islamic state.
Washington has also sent a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf, a move
seen as a warning to Iran which the United States accuses of seeking
atomic arms and fuelling instability in Iraq and elsewhere in the
Middle East. Iran denies the charges.
In a letter to London's Sunday Times newspaper, the three former U.S.
military leaders said attacking Iran "would have disastrous
consequences for security in the region, coalition forces in Iraq and
would further exacerbate regional and global tensions," they wrote.
"The current crisis must be resolved through diplomacy," they said.
The letter was signed by retired army Lieutenant General Robert Gard, a
former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, retired
U.S. Marine Corps General Joseph Hoar, a former commander in chief of
U.S. Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, a
former director of the Center for Defense Information.
They urged the U.S. government to "engage immediately in direct talks
with the government of Iran without preconditions.
"There is time available to talk, we must ensure that we use it," they
said.
The three men have joined previous petitions calling on the Bush
administration to change course in its policy on Iran.
Washington broke ties with Iran in 1980. It has offered to hold direct
talks with Iran but only once Tehran halts its drive to produce nuclear
fuel through uranium enrichment.
Iran, which says it wants to enrich uranium to make nuclear reactor
fuel, not bombs, has refused.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday said Washington was not
planning for war with Iran, but again accused Tehran of supplying bombs
for deadly attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq.
Copyright © 2006 Reuters
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/2/4/worldupdates/2007-02-04T035239Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-286257-1&sec=Worldupdates
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05 Feb 2007 08:25:12 PM |
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"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eq3tro$h55$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Luexh.28898$Oa.26528@edtnps82...
The US has to deal with quite a feat.
a.. Iran has been identified as the world's leading state sponsor of
international terrorism, funding Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas, as
well as Shiite insurgent groups. Iran is even recruiting its youth and
students across the Middle East for suicide operations against Western
targets.
Yeah, that's what we've heard for many years now, Jeano.
a.. Religious extremism, particularly Islamic fundamentalism, is one of
the key dangers in the world today. The Iranian President is a religious
extremist who believes that it is his destiny to trigger a period of
chaos, war and bloodshed in order for Islam to dominate the world.
And Christians hope Jesus will come back and be the world's sole spiritual
leader, after great death and destruction.
Nah, Only after the evil who caused destruction is put away, big difference,
your butt buddies the suicide bombers have nothing in common with
Christians.
a.. Nuclear proliferation is one of the greatest dangers to world peace.
We must act to stop Iran before it can develop nuclear technology,
because the Iranian President has said that he would share nuclear
technology with other Muslims.
Pakistan and India have had it for years, and it acts as a deterrent to
conventional and WMD conflict.
And who proliferated it to other terrorist states? Not India.
a.. The President of Iran believes that he is creating an Islamic
"superpower," which will bring down the West, including the United
States. He says that he will have hundreds of millions of Muslim "holy
raiders" eager to become martyrs.
And the US and western corporate power are trying to suck all they can
outta' the Arabic people for profit and their hegemonious designs on that
area and the rest of the Third World are well known. Over 3000
'martyrs' -- American soldiers -- have died for oil, natural gas, and
other rich elitists' investments so far, and still counting.
***** again, as usual from your filthy mouth. The oil is sold, not taken,
and there is no hegemoniuous design but in your terrorist dreams.
And the UN resolution was not for oil . The Iraki oil belongs to the Irakis.
Yes they will owe what it will cost to make them a civilized country, but
will they ever pay?
You lie like you breathe, why lose time with you?
J.
a.. The Iranian President does not believe the Holocaust happened and has
called for the destruction of Israel. If we do not act, we run the risk
of placating an extremist and making the same mistake we made with
Hitler, which led to World War II and the deaths of millions.
[SNIP]
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05 Feb 2007 09:25:07 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:cGRxh.32561$Oa.31776@edtnps82...
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eq3tro$h55$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Luexh.28898$Oa.26528@edtnps82...
The US has to deal with quite a feat.
a.. Iran has been identified as the world's leading state sponsor of
international terrorism, funding Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas,
as well as Shiite insurgent groups. Iran is even recruiting its youth
and students across the Middle East for suicide operations against
Western targets.
Yeah, that's what we've heard for many years now, Jeano.
a.. Religious extremism, particularly Islamic fundamentalism, is one
of the key dangers in the world today. The Iranian President is a
religious extremist who believes that it is his destiny to trigger a
period of chaos, war and bloodshed in order for Islam to dominate the
world.
And Christians hope Jesus will come back and be the world's sole
spiritual leader, after great death and destruction.
Nah, Only after the evil who caused destruction is put away, big
difference, your butt buddies the suicide bombers have nothing in common
with Christians.
And your Christians seldom have much in common with their own doctrine.
LOL!
a.. Nuclear proliferation is one of the greatest dangers to world
peace. We must act to stop Iran before it can develop nuclear
technology, because the Iranian President has said that he would share
nuclear technology with other Muslims.
Pakistan and India have had it for years, and it acts as a deterrent to
conventional and WMD conflict.
And who proliferated it to other terrorist states? Not India.
Doesn't matter. The deterrence is mutual now and it prevented India from
attacking Pakistan only a few years ago. Each time, India has won. It had
no reason to build its forces on Pakistan's border, posturing, but to plan
for another invasion and win again. But the nukes were there this
time...Ahmadinejad knows this, and other Arab leaders are taking note. US
hegemony in the region will drive them to acquire that deterrence...and
then you'll likely not see the US militarily posturing, unless it wants to
have a terrible oil mess over it, not to mention a long time getting all
that radioactivity out of there. No wonder Allan Openheimer lamented
working on the invention of the A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the
world a destructive force that mankind would eventually use to its
ulitmate defeat.
a.. The President of Iran believes that he is creating an Islamic
"superpower," which will bring down the West, including the United
States. He says that he will have hundreds of millions of Muslim "holy
raiders" eager to become martyrs.
And the US and western corporate power are trying to suck all they can
outta' the Arabic people for profit and their hegemonious designs on
that area and the rest of the Third World are well known. Over 3000
'martyrs' -- American soldiers -- have died for oil, natural gas, and
other rich elitists' investments so far, and still counting.
***** again, as usual from your filthy mouth. The oil is sold, not
taken, and there is no hegemoniuous design but in your terrorist dreams.
And the UN resolution was not for oil . The Iraki oil belongs to the
Irakis. Yes they will owe what it will cost to make them a civilized
country, but will they ever pay?
You lie like you breathe, why lose time with you?
J.
Yes, why lose time with me, Jeano? I won't ever agree to your myopic
paranoiac mindset, your fanatical views, your skewing of history and
current events, or your racism toward the Muslim community. Yes, you are
wasting your time and I'm glad of it. I feel just as right about my view
of the world as you. And, like you, I have no intention of letting anyone,
least of all, you, subvert it, dominate it, or destroy it.
I will fight to the last breath of my being against what I know is wrong,
and stand for what I know to be right...
Docrodile :)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A/+2
a.. The Iranian President does not believe the Holocaust happened and
has called for the destruction of Israel. If we do not act, we run
the risk of placating an extremist and making the same mistake we made
with Hitler, which led to World War II and the deaths of millions.
[SNIP]
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07 Feb 2007 12:07:31 AM |
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"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eq8sej$kfq$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:cGRxh.32561$Oa.31776@edtnps82...
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eq3tro$h55$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Luexh.28898$Oa.26528@edtnps82...
The US has to deal with quite a feat.
a.. Iran has been identified as the world's leading state sponsor of
international terrorism, funding Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas,
as well as Shiite insurgent groups. Iran is even recruiting its youth
and students across the Middle East for suicide operations against
Western targets.
Yeah, that's what we've heard for many years now, Jeano.
a.. Religious extremism, particularly Islamic fundamentalism, is one of
the key dangers in the world today. The Iranian President is a
religious extremist who believes that it is his destiny to trigger a
period of chaos, war and bloodshed in order for Islam to dominate the
world.
And Christians hope Jesus will come back and be the world's sole
spiritual leader, after great death and destruction.
Nah, Only after the evil who caused destruction is put away, big
difference, your butt buddies the suicide bombers have nothing in common
with Christians.
And your Christians seldom have much in common with their own doctrine.
LOL!
a.. Nuclear proliferation is one of the greatest dangers to world
peace. We must act to stop Iran before it can develop nuclear
technology, because the Iranian President has said that he would share
nuclear technology with other Muslims.
Pakistan and India have had it for years, and it acts as a deterrent to
conventional and WMD conflict.
And who proliferated it to other terrorist states? Not India.
Doesn't matter. The deterrence is mutual now and it prevented India from
attacking Pakistan only a few years ago. Each time, India has won. It had
no reason to build its forces on Pakistan's border, posturing, but to plan
for another invasion and win again. But the nukes were there this
time...Ahmadinejad knows this, and other Arab leaders are taking note. US
hegemony in the region will drive them to acquire that deterrence...and
then you'll likely not see the US militarily posturing, unless it wants to
have a terrible oil mess over it, not to mention a long time getting all
that radioactivity out of there. No wonder Allan Openheimer lamented
working on the invention of the A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the
world a destructive force that mankind would eventually use to its
ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here which are
merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You can cry
all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
a.. The President of Iran believes that he is creating an Islamic
"superpower," which will bring down the West, including the United
States. He says that he will have hundreds of millions of Muslim "holy
raiders" eager to become martyrs.
And the US and western corporate power are trying to suck all they can
outta' the Arabic people for profit and their hegemonious designs on
that area and the rest of the Third World are well known. Over 3000
'martyrs' -- American soldiers -- have died for oil, natural gas, and
other rich elitists' investments so far, and still counting.
***** again, as usual from your filthy mouth. The oil is sold, not
taken, and there is no hegemoniuous design but in your terrorist dreams.
And the UN resolution was not for oil . The Iraki oil belongs to the
Irakis. Yes they will owe what it will cost to make them a civilized
country, but will they ever pay?
You lie like you breathe, why lose time with you?
J.
Yes, why lose time with me, Jeano? I won't ever agree to your myopic
paranoiac mindset, your fanatical views, your skewing of history and
current events, or your racism toward the Muslim community. Yes, you are
wasting your time and I'm glad of it. I feel just as right about my view
of the world as you. And, like you, I have no intention of letting anyone,
least of all, you, subvert it, dominate it, or destroy it.
I will fight to the last breath of my being against what I know is wrong,
and stand for what I know to be right...
Docrodile :)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A/+2
Yes, we know you can only make up stuff or find the worst lies in the world
and dump them on this NG where you do not belong.
J.
a.. The Iranian President does not believe the Holocaust happened and
has called for the destruction of Israel. If we do not act, we run the
risk of placating an extremist and making the same mistake we made with
Hitler, which led to World War II and the deaths of millions.
[SNIP]
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| Title: Re: Ex U.S. Military Commanders Warn Against Iran Attack |
07 Feb 2007 04:49:31 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words
wonder Allan Openheimer lamented working on the invention of the
A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the world a destructive force
that mankind would eventually use to its ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here which
are merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You can
cry all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
We should go liberate the Iranians of their land, liberate
them of their nuclear facilities, provide democracy, ensure
domestic tranquility, do ordain and establish this dominance
of the United States of America... amen.
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns98D026E9FE250rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words
wonder Allan Openheimer lamented working on the invention of the
A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the world a destructive force
that mankind would eventually use to its ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here which
are merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You can
cry all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
We should go liberate the Iranians of their land, liberate
them of their nuclear facilities, provide democracy, ensure
domestic tranquility, do ordain and establish this dominance
of the United States of America... amen.
Freedom is not dominance, but from the people. Thoise who pretend that
freedom is dominance and want tyrants to dominate, are loonies, and to see
that they come on a prophecies newsgroup to promote their support for such
hatemongering and antisemitism is, like, the world upside down.
The prophecies do not go in the sense of this insanity.
J.
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Ex U.S. Military Commanders Warn Against Iran Attack |
07 Feb 2007 03:41:24 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rxoyh.41986$Y6.1261@edtnps89...
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de
news: Xns98D026E9FE250rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words
wonder Allan Openheimer lamented working on the invention of the
A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the world a destructive force
that mankind would eventually use to its ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here which
are merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You
can
cry all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
We should go liberate the Iranians of their land, liberate
them of their nuclear facilities, provide democracy, ensure
domestic tranquility, do ordain and establish this dominance
of the United States of America... amen.
Freedom is not dominance, but from the people. Thoise who pretend that
freedom is dominance and want tyrants to dominate, are loonies, and to
see that they come on a prophecies newsgroup to promote their support
for such hatemongering and antisemitism is, like, the world upside down.
The prophecies do not go in the sense of this insanity.
J.
Yeah, it's like those who want to dominate this group after being out of
it for months, by excluding all those who don't philosophically agree with
them, or harass endlessly those who don't agree, and arrogantly set
standards for participation in this group based on what they think the
group should be about, are simply ***** ideological/social tyrants who
have no respect for the freedom of the individual, or respect for their
right to speak their mind.
And those tyrants that believe in some hocus-pocus supernaturalism as part
of their 'rationalization' and 'participatory requirements' to exclude
and/or harass people in this group are patently disassociative
personalities who'd more appropriately fit into the therapy group of a
state mental hospital.
Docrodile ;))~~~~~
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Ex U.S. Military Commanders Warn Against Iran Attack |
10 Feb 2007 03:09:09 PM |
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Nope, this group is about prophecies and Nostradamus, and you are not about
this drosophila, like your kind, drosophila, you are about *****.
J.
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eqdh2p$o6c$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rxoyh.41986$Y6.1261@edtnps89...
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de
news: Xns98D026E9FE250rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words
wonder Allan Openheimer lamented working on the invention of the
A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the world a destructive force
that mankind would eventually use to its ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here which
are merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You
can
cry all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
We should go liberate the Iranians of their land, liberate
them of their nuclear facilities, provide democracy, ensure
domestic tranquility, do ordain and establish this dominance
of the United States of America... amen.
Freedom is not dominance, but from the people. Thoise who pretend that
freedom is dominance and want tyrants to dominate, are loonies, and to
see that they come on a prophecies newsgroup to promote their support for
such hatemongering and antisemitism is, like, the world upside down.
The prophecies do not go in the sense of this insanity.
J.
Yeah, it's like those who want to dominate this group after being out of
it for months, by excluding all those who don't philosophically agree with
them, or harass endlessly those who don't agree, and arrogantly set
standards for participation in this group based on what they think the
group should be about, are simply ***** ideological/social tyrants who
have no respect for the freedom of the individual, or respect for their
right to speak their mind.
And those tyrants that believe in some hocus-pocus supernaturalism as part
of their 'rationalization' and 'participatory requirements' to exclude
and/or harass people in this group are patently disassociative
personalities who'd more appropriately fit into the therapy group of a
state mental hospital.
Docrodile ;))~~~~~
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Ex U.S. Military Commanders Warn Against Iran Attack |
10 Feb 2007 05:49:15 PM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvqzh.46811$Y6.27632@edtnps89...
Nope, this group is about prophecies and Nostradamus, and you are not
about this drosophila, like your kind, drosophila, you are about *****.
J.
How will your latest irrational vitriolity dissuade me from engaging you?
You take a self-defeating course, Jeano. From the very first time you
re-entered APN from outer space, you chose to launch your attacks on me.
What more can you do, now that your leaders you supported have been proved
wrong, corrupted, and crazy? What more can you do, now that your support
for massive warfare has proven misguided (at best)? What more can you do
but to assail me for being here, in this small corner of your universe,
deride me in every way, and attempt vainly to elevate your fallen pride,
correct your wrongness, ad nausaeam?
You are an unfortunate creature of futile habit. The leaders you support
mirror your psychopathology. The future you envision is one that must
destroy and hurt, as you and your leaders repeat self- and
overtly-destructive behaviours.
Your Godly prophet has predicted or designed a future that engenders,
breeds hate, violence, and distrust among the believing peoples of the
world.
In the microcosm here at APN, you extend your personal paranoia, hatred,
intolerance to the macrocosm, and then reinforce it with what you think is
God's plan for humanity through prophectical interpretations,
reinterpretations.
You are a sick, deluded man, Jeano, and it won't be your enemies alone
that will suffer and perish in the world you believe will come, it will
also be assholes like yourself--and the greatest hard-reality shock to
your arrogance and self-righteousness will be there to greet you.
It is people like you -- the intolerant, the hateful, the racists, the
deluded, the extremists, the defenders and supporters of corrupted
leadership, the disingenious, the self-serving, that grind against others
who differ, and think more conflict will vanquish their many fears, and
force upon others a utopia of their liking -- it is they that make the
world a miserable place to live in, and have us embrace a frightful, ugly
future.
Your prophecies haven't given you insight into truth, but the avoidance of
it. And that truth you most want to avoid, is the truth about yourself.
Docrodile
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eqdh2p$o6c$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:rxoyh.41986$Y6.1261@edtnps89...
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de
news: Xns98D026E9FE250rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words
wonder Allan Openheimer lamented working on the invention of the
A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the world a destructive force
that mankind would eventually use to its ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here
which
are merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You
can
cry all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
We should go liberate the Iranians of their land, liberate
them of their nuclear facilities, provide democracy, ensure
domestic tranquility, do ordain and establish this dominance
of the United States of America... amen.
Freedom is not dominance, but from the people. Thoise who pretend that
freedom is dominance and want tyrants to dominate, are loonies, and to
see that they come on a prophecies newsgroup to promote their support
for such hatemongering and antisemitism is, like, the world upside
down.
The prophecies do not go in the sense of this insanity.
J.
Yeah, it's like those who want to dominate this group after being out
of it for months, by excluding all those who don't philosophically
agree with them, or harass endlessly those who don't agree, and
arrogantly set standards for participation in this group based on what
they think the group should be about, are simply *****
ideological/social tyrants who have no respect for the freedom of the
individual, or respect for their right to speak their mind.
And those tyrants that believe in some hocus-pocus supernaturalism as
part of their 'rationalization' and 'participatory requirements' to
exclude and/or harass people in this group are patently disassociative
personalities who'd more appropriately fit into the therapy group of a
state mental hospital.
Docrodile ;))~~~~~
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Ex U.S. Military Commanders Warn Against Iran Attack |
10 Feb 2007 09:06:47 PM |
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"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
eqlllr$sbj$1@aioe.org...
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvqzh.46811$Y6.27632@edtnps89...
Nope, this group is about prophecies and Nostradamus, and you are not
about this drosophila, like your kind, drosophila, you are about *****.
J.
How will your latest irrational vitriolity dissuade me from engaging you?
Because it is not irrational, nor viotriolic. It is facts. You despise the
prophet. You don't belong here.
TAKE YOUR PILLS Drosophila.
J.
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Ex U.S. Military Commanders Warn Against Iran Attack |
07 Feb 2007 03:33:02 PM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98D026E9FE250rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words
wonder Allan Openheimer lamented working on the invention of the
A-bomb, saying that he'd helped bring the world a destructive force
that mankind would eventually use to its ulitmate defeat.
No, they will prevent this from happening.
And no, there is no way the US or other states woiuld use nukes
preemptively (I am not talking about the new bunker busters here which
are merely big bombs), so they don't need any deterence.
But no way these terrorist states will be allowed to have nukes. You
can
cry all you want for your terrorist butt budies.
We should go liberate the Iranians of their land, liberate
them of their nuclear facilities, provide democracy, ensure
domestic tranquility, do ordain and establish this dominance
of the United States of America... amen.
We should also dig up Gerald Ford and kick his ***** for not invading
Cambodia in 1975, removing Pol Pot, militarily installing a democracy, and
occupying. We should dig up Richard Nixon and kick his ***** for not
invading Chile, removing Pinochet, militarily installing a democracy, and
occupying. We should kick the dead asses of Reagan, Nixon, Ford, Carter,
Bush I, Bush II, and Clinton for not preemptively attacking China,
militarily installing a democracy, and occupying...not to mention other
Executive-power happy Presidents that didn't move against the USSR's
dictatorship and godless society...after all, our military forces are to
be used like the Crusaders were, and go after governments that fire up our
moral indignation!! Yessir! Or, use them like the British did during their
campaign of global colonialism. They both had the right idea: humans in
one part of the planet have the right to feel a high moral superiority and
use violence and bloodshed to re-make the other part of the planet's
political/social/economic/religious landscape any ol' way they choose!!
And then we bury all the 'martyrs' for the superior philosophy and
execution of will, patch up, as best we can, the badly maimed and
disabled, and give them glowing tributes as the great majority who
supported all of it sit back in comfort, safety, and narcissistic
arrogance...and who haven't even spent extra tax dollars to support this
latest glorious 'liberation.' Money is pulled out of social programs for
the needy, disabled, elderly, homeless, etc., to finance this great
ideological campaign.
We don't need adversarial folks to even directly threaten our security any
more (as Ford had mentioned), or attack us, we just go off with 'hell fire
and damnation' and get the world to be more the way we dream about in the
pristine ambiance of our society thousands of miles removed from the
bloody 'liberation' front!
Yes, Perseid, we've missed many opportunities to militaristically,
ideologically make the world a more perfect place to live in, and pave the
way for the Saviour to return and establish his wondrous millenium of
utopian existence on earth!! When he gets back, Jesus probably won't like
these missed opportunities. It's gonna make his job harder.
Oooooh...the lamentations...!
Docrodile ;))~
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