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By all accounts, "free-ride" Christians share a common belief
that when they die, if they but blindly believed in Jesus and
this by however lukewarm their faith (works? works be damned!),
then their soul automatically gets a free ride in "heaven" for
all eternity, whereas all unbelievers, when they die, they all
burn in "hell" for all eternity. I always enjoyed that "for all
eternity" part, albeit they were "taught" by worldly "teachers"
to believe that all higher knowledge is "Satanic" and a "trick
of the devil", so it makes sense they'd speak such absurdities.
The worst part is, these "free-riders" believe they can attain
personal freedom without personal responsibility. Yet this is
precisely the same belief which is devoutly held, and promoted,
by Atheists! The free-riders believe that Judgment is only for
the "unbelievers", and like the Atheists, they pick and choose
only those parts of the Bible they want to believe, and ignore
the rest. I've challenged free-rider Christians to a Verse-War,
i.e., quoting directly from ye ole Authorised (KJV) Holy Bible
in order to force them to scripturally defend their "free-ride"
versions of Christianity. So what do they do? They do the very
same thing the Atheists do! They conveniently ignore it, since
they believe that by ignoring bible verses which conflict with
their beliefs, the forbidden verses are therefore in error, or
simply do not exist, and therefore do not need to be addressed.
For example, when push comes to shove, when their world feels
threatened, the first thing Atheists do is complain "xtianity
is supposed to be all about love and forgiveness", or "so much
for xtian love", and other neurotic projections. Some Atheists
even quote from various mistranslations and misinterpretations
of the Scriptures, whenever they believe is suits their agenda.
One of my favorite verses to challenge these "free-riders" and
their Atheist cousins with, is found at Luke 19:27...boy, that
verse is absolutely anathema to the Atheists and "free-riders".
And I can, and I certainly have, cite hundreds of both Old and
New Testament passages which are diametrically opposite to the
"free-ride" Christian mentality. They seem to have the biggest
problem with the Apocalypse (since that whole book is "Satanic"
and a "trick of the devil", frae end-to-end). Another problem
for them, is their ignorance of what the "perfect mood" means
in ancient Hebrew. That's how "rocket scientists" like Ussher,
and myriad others centuries before him, came up with ludicrous
dates "4004 BC", "3761 BC" etc. for the Creation of the world!
And notice how the Atheists always tout these "fundamentalist"-
"literalist"-types as if they epitomize Christian scholarship!
Could the free-riders make it any easier for Atheists to mock
Christianity in general? They do give them _plenty_ of fodder.
In conclusion, the Atheists believe they're "off the hook" for
all their bad karma, because they don't believe in a hereafter.
They don't believe in sin, karma, or indebtedness to the great
Spirit. Similarly, the "free-riders" believe they're "off the
hook" for their sins, or bad karma, because they believe that
"Jesus died for my sins" means something other than literally.
And they don't believe in those "Satanic" things like psychic
ability, astrology, tarot, karma, dharma, reincarnation, UFOs,
Atlantis, etc. And lo and behold, that's *exactly* what their
Atheist cousins believe, too. They are all so very much alike.
Thus I challenge every "free rider" Christian to objectively
consider what it is you believe, including what you believe
to be "Satanic", or "trick of the Devil", etc. Then compare
your beliefs with the beliefs of Atheists. Get the picture?
Do you really believe you're going to get a free ride? If
I were you, I'd be reevaluating your priorities about now...
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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27 Nov 2007 03:42:12 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 27, 3:43 pm, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
Faith without works would be sloth, one of the so-called "Seven Deadly
Sins."
A sloth is an animal, not a sin. Get it right!
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27 Nov 2007 04:31:14 PM |
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Tough Tonto wrote:
"Lord Calvert" <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43a3edc1-73f4-4c8f-bec7-4f6417225099@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 27, 3:43 pm, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
Faith without works would be sloth, one of the so-called "Seven Deadly
Sins."
A sloth is an animal,
Yes, a very lazy one.
--
Uncle Vic
2011
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Nov 2007 04:56:09 PM |
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Faith of any kind is infantile.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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27 Nov 2007 02:49:36 PM |
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George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it>
By all accounts, "free-ride" Christians share a common belief
that when they die, if they but blindly believed in Jesus and
this by however lukewarm their faith (works? works be damned!),
then their soul automatically gets a free ride in "heaven" for
all eternity, whereas all unbelievers, when they die, they all
burn in "hell" for all eternity. I always enjoyed that "for all
eternity" part, albeit they were "taught" by worldly "teachers"
to believe that all higher knowledge is "Satanic" and a "trick
of the devil", so it makes sense they'd speak such absurdities.
The worst part is, these "free-riders" believe they can attain
personal freedom without personal responsibility. Yet this is
precisely the same belief which is devoutly held, and promoted,
by Atheists! The free-riders believe that Judgment is only for
the "unbelievers", and like the Atheists, they pick and choose
only those parts of the Bible they want to believe, and ignore
the rest. I've challenged free-rider Christians to a Verse-War,
i.e., quoting directly from ye ole Authorised (KJV) Holy Bible
in order to force them to scripturally defend their "free-ride"
versions of Christianity. So what do they do? They do the very
same thing the Atheists do! They conveniently ignore it, since
they believe that by ignoring bible verses which conflict with
their beliefs, the forbidden verses are therefore in error, or
simply do not exist, and therefore do not need to be addressed.
For example, when push comes to shove, when their world feels
threatened, the first thing Atheists do is complain "xtianity
is supposed to be all about love and forgiveness", or "so much
for xtian love", and other neurotic projections. Some Atheists
even quote from various mistranslations and misinterpretations
of the Scriptures, whenever they believe is suits their agenda.
One of my favorite verses to challenge these "free-riders" and
their Atheist cousins with, is found at Luke 19:27...boy, that
verse is absolutely anathema to the Atheists and "free-riders".
And I can, and I certainly have, cite hundreds of both Old and
New Testament passages which are diametrically opposite to the
"free-ride" Christian mentality.
"Hundreds", you say?
Okey-doke.
Hop to it:
(you may use the back of this post if you require more room)
-- cary
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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27 Nov 2007 04:27:44 PM |
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Min wrote:
One of my favorite verses to challenge these "free-riders" and
their Atheist cousins with, is found at Luke 19:27...boy, that
verse is absolutely anathema to the Atheists and "free-riders".
Bible verses don't mean a thing to atheists, Min. But if you wish to
apply it elsewhere, keep in mind that parts of the Bible say salvation
is achieved through faith alone, and other parts say salvation is
achieved through works alone. Since they are mutually exclusive, I
guess they cancel each other out.
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Uncle Vic
2011
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| User: "Bill M" |
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27 Nov 2007 10:29:25 AM |
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The foundation of religious/god belief is peoples panic fear of death and
what come after.
Its a little like the child in the dentists chair imagining he is in
Disneyland.
They cannot deal with the reality and finality of death so they have to
create and after life..
"George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
news:294f00c66c899c9c2288f0a4f17377f4@mixmaster.it...
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By all accounts, "free-ride" Christians share a common belief
that when they die, if they but blindly believed in Jesus and
this by however lukewarm their faith (works? works be damned!),
then their soul automatically gets a free ride in "heaven" for
all eternity, whereas all unbelievers, when they die, they all
burn in "hell" for all eternity. I always enjoyed that "for all
eternity" part, albeit they were "taught" by worldly "teachers"
to believe that all higher knowledge is "Satanic" and a "trick
of the devil", so it makes sense they'd speak such absurdities.
The worst part is, these "free-riders" believe they can attain
personal freedom without personal responsibility. Yet this is
precisely the same belief which is devoutly held, and promoted,
by Atheists! The free-riders believe that Judgment is only for
the "unbelievers", and like the Atheists, they pick and choose
only those parts of the Bible they want to believe, and ignore
the rest. I've challenged free-rider Christians to a Verse-War,
i.e., quoting directly from ye ole Authorised (KJV) Holy Bible
in order to force them to scripturally defend their "free-ride"
versions of Christianity. So what do they do? They do the very
same thing the Atheists do! They conveniently ignore it, since
they believe that by ignoring bible verses which conflict with
their beliefs, the forbidden verses are therefore in error, or
simply do not exist, and therefore do not need to be addressed.
For example, when push comes to shove, when their world feels
threatened, the first thing Atheists do is complain "xtianity
is supposed to be all about love and forgiveness", or "so much
for xtian love", and other neurotic projections. Some Atheists
even quote from various mistranslations and misinterpretations
of the Scriptures, whenever they believe is suits their agenda.
One of my favorite verses to challenge these "free-riders" and
their Atheist cousins with, is found at Luke 19:27...boy, that
verse is absolutely anathema to the Atheists and "free-riders".
And I can, and I certainly have, cite hundreds of both Old and
New Testament passages which are diametrically opposite to the
"free-ride" Christian mentality. They seem to have the biggest
problem with the Apocalypse (since that whole book is "Satanic"
and a "trick of the devil", frae end-to-end). Another problem
for them, is their ignorance of what the "perfect mood" means
in ancient Hebrew. That's how "rocket scientists" like Ussher,
and myriad others centuries before him, came up with ludicrous
dates "4004 BC", "3761 BC" etc. for the Creation of the world!
And notice how the Atheists always tout these "fundamentalist"-
"literalist"-types as if they epitomize Christian scholarship!
Could the free-riders make it any easier for Atheists to mock
Christianity in general? They do give them _plenty_ of fodder.
In conclusion, the Atheists believe they're "off the hook" for
all their bad karma, because they don't believe in a hereafter.
They don't believe in sin, karma, or indebtedness to the great
Spirit. Similarly, the "free-riders" believe they're "off the
hook" for their sins, or bad karma, because they believe that
"Jesus died for my sins" means something other than literally.
And they don't believe in those "Satanic" things like psychic
ability, astrology, tarot, karma, dharma, reincarnation, UFOs,
Atlantis, etc. And lo and behold, that's *exactly* what their
Atheist cousins believe, too. They are all so very much alike.
Thus I challenge every "free rider" Christian to objectively
consider what it is you believe, including what you believe
to be "Satanic", or "trick of the Devil", etc. Then compare
your beliefs with the beliefs of Atheists. Get the picture?
Do you really believe you're going to get a free ride? If
I were you, I'd be reevaluating your priorities about now...
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Nov 2007 07:13:51 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:29:25 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The foundation of religious/god belief is peoples panic fear of death and
what come after.
Its a little like the child in the dentists chair imagining he is in
Disneyland.
They cannot deal with the reality and finality of death so they have to
create and after life..
Yet we have a man that was dead for 3 days and did rise up and stroll the
countryside with his friend for 40 days.
Historically, you're going to lose.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Nov 2007 03:20:15 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:40:50 -0800 (PST), Lord Calvert <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com>
wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:13 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:29:25 -0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The foundation of religious/god belief is peoples panic fear of death and
what come after.
Its a little like the child in the dentists chair imagining he is in
Disneyland.
They cannot deal with the reality and finality of death so they have to
create and after life..
Yet we have a man that was dead for 3 days and did rise up and stroll the
countryside with his friend for 40 days.
Historically, you're going to lose.
If he is omnipotent and omniscient, then death has no meaning for him.
Jesus was fully man.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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28 Nov 2007 09:27:48 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:29:25 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The foundation of religious/god belief is peoples panic fear of death and
what come after.
Its a little like the child in the dentists chair imagining he is in
Disneyland.
They cannot deal with the reality and finality of death so they have to
create and after life..
We do not all believe for those wrong reasons.
When the Word is adhered to, Holy Scripture incorporates the solutions
to humanities problems!
The problem is that our political & religious leaders do NOT follow the
wise instructive commandments in Holy Scripture.
When you can explain how there was nothing material & yet we have all
these galaxies working in perfect order, then you might have some
credibility in your criticisms. I assure you that you cannot explain how
all this came about or what our future might be in a possible future
creation. What is possible or impossible?
- udarrell
Yet we have a man that was dead for 3 days and did rise up and stroll the
countryside with his friend for 40 days.
Historically, you're going to lose.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
If you are "a consistent Pro-Lifer' & Right to Lifer'" then you will be
against the war on the Iraqi women & children, whereby depleted uranium
will be causing massive fetus deformities for 4.5-billion years! Makes
gas warfare seem humane, huh? This war is a crime beyond belief! - udarrell
--
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THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES & WISDOM Principled PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT
http://www.udarrell.com/ (Updated Again)
NO attacks on Iran!
How Obama & Edwards can Win over Hillary in the Iowa caucuses
http://www.udarrell.com/iowa_primary_caucus_speeches.htm
How much can your Constructive Wisdom Principled Communicated Ideas be worth to America & the world?
If President Bush "unjustifiably" bombs the huge number (hundreds) of identified targets in Iran, there could be an oil shortage causing a global economic catastrophe. Could your effective communications stop this tragedy from happening? How many lives & Trillions of Dollars would that save & be worth?
There's nothing more unjust or terrorizing than modern warfare & it is totally self-defeating. He now has 30,000-lb 15-ton Depleted Uranium (DU) Bunker Busting bombs, the DU has a life of 4.5 billion deadly years and causes cancer & chromsome damage resulting in horrid unbelievable genocidal birth deformities.
Iran is NO immediate threat & could be a friend of America; leave Iran alone! NO economic sanctions either! Military actions & economic sanctions are fundamentally self-defeatng & extremely costly in every human dimension.
It time to identify the real enemies of humanity and create a "Department Of Peace - HR 808)" that will preempt the Department of War, camouflaged as the Department of Defense.
http://www.udarrell.com/my_pages2.htm (Gravel's Audio concerning Iran)
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Reality Is Not An Easy Thing To Be Confronted With, or to ACCEPT.
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We do not all believe for those wrong reasons.<br>
When the Word is adhered to, Holy Scripture incorporates the solutions
to humanities problems!<br>
The problem is that our political & religious leaders do NOT follow
the wise instructive commandments in Holy Scripture.<br>
When you can explain how there was nothing material & yet we have
all these galaxies working in perfect order, then you might have some
credibility in your criticisms. I assure you that you cannot explain
how all this came about or what our future might be in a possible
future creation. What is possible or impossible?<br>
- udarrell <br>
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type="cite">
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Yet we have a man that was dead for 3 days and did rise up and stroll the
countryside with his friend for 40 days.
Historically, you're going to lose.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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If you are "a consistent Pro-Lifer' & Right to Lifer'" then you
will be against the war on the Iraqi women & children, whereby
depleted uranium will be causing massive fetus deformities for
4.5-billion years! Makes gas warfare seem humane, huh? This war is a
crime beyond belief! - udarrell <br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
WISDOM PRINCIPLED EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATIONS -
THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES & WISDOM Principled PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.udarrell.com/">http://www.udarrell.com/</a> (Updated Again)
NO attacks on Iran!
How Obama & Edwards can Win over Hillary in the Iowa caucuses
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.udarrell.com/iowa_primary_caucus_speeches.htm">http://www.udarrell.com/iowa_primary_caucus_speeches.htm</a>
How much can your Constructive Wisdom Principled Communicated Ideas be worth to America & the world?
If President Bush "unjustifiably" bombs the huge number (hundreds) of identified targets in Iran, there could be an oil shortage causing a global economic catastrophe. Could your effective communications stop this tragedy from happening? How many lives & Trillions of Dollars would that save & be worth?
There's nothing more unjust or terrorizing than modern warfare & it is totally self-defeating. He now has 30,000-lb 15-ton Depleted Uranium (DU) Bunker Busting bombs, the DU has a life of 4.5 billion deadly years and causes cancer & chromsome damage resulting in horrid unbelievable genocidal birth deformities.
Iran is NO immediate threat & could be a friend of America; leave Iran alone! NO economic sanctions either! Military actions & economic sanctions are fundamentally self-defeatng & extremely costly in every human dimension.
It time to identify the real enemies of humanity and create a "Department Of Peace - HR 808)" that will preempt the Department of War, camouflaged as the Department of Defense.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.udarrell.com/my_pages2.htm">http://www.udarrell.com/my_pages2.htm</a> (Gravel's Audio concerning Iran)
(* My Airconditioning Links, Hunting Shooting, Angus Cattle)
Reality Is Not An Easy Thing To Be Confronted With, or to ACCEPT.
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