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Faithfulness vs. Unfaithfulness
Loyalty vs. Disloyalty
Allegiance vs. Sedition
Marriage vs. Adultery
Chastity vs. Lechery
Strength vs. Weakness
Courage vs. Cowardice
Splendor vs. Dullness
Majesty vs. Ignominy
etc. etc. etc.
I.e., With God of Faith vs. Without God of Faith. E.g.:
"ego autem dico vobis quoniam omnis qui
I moreover am saying to you because everyone who
viderit mulierem ad concupiscendum eam iam
is looking at a woman toward to covet after her already
*moechatus est eam in corde suo"
he has committed adultery with her in the heart of him
--Matthew 5:28 editio Vulgata
interlinear translation by Daniel Joseph Min
*Strong's says:
[begin quote]
"3431 moiceuw moicheuo moy-khyoo'-o
from 3432; TDNT-4:729,605; v
AV-commit adultery 13, in adultery 1; 14
1) to commit adultery
1a) to be an adulterer
1b) to commit adultery with, have unlawful intercourse with
another's wife
1c) of the wife: to suffer adultery, be debauched
1d) A Hebrew idiom, the word is used of those who at a woman's
solicitation are drawn away to idolatry, i.e. to the
eating of things sacrificed to idols
"3432 moicov moichos moy-khos'
perhaps a primary word; TDNT-4:729,605; n m
AV-adulterer 4; 4
1) an adulterer
2) metaph. one who is faithless toward God, ungodly"
[end quote]
SOLIS:
"non moechaberis"
not shall you commit adultery.
VENERIS:
"non concupisces..."
not shall you covet
LVNE:
"honora patrem tuum et matrem tuam..."
honor the father yours and the mother yours
PLOVTON:
"non adsumes nomen Domini
not shall you take the name of the Dominant one
Dei tui in vanum..."
of the Gods yours in vain
etc. etc. etc.
--excerpts from Exodus 20:1-23, editio Vulgata, DJM
Ergo, "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the
evildoer"; i.e. the ego-self; literally, the devil-incarnate.
Your mortal ego-self is the devil-incarnate as your physical,
mortal, temporizing manifestation of your immortal soul-body.
God wants to help you, but God isn't going to do it for you.
You must participate in your salvation. Jesus is our brother
in the tribulation. Take up your tau, your ankh, and walk the
walk! Don't just talk the talk, or you'll pay the piper, bub.
The point is, if you don't feel married to God, obligated to
doing God's will, to hearing God's word, to giving thanks to
God always, then you are already an adulterer--and a traitor
against God eternal. You have violated all Ten Commandments,
even the Golden Rule upon which God's Eternal Universal Law
is eternally founded--infinite, like God's Universe, as with
eternal soul, each of whom has no ultimate beginning, and no
ultimate ending; but falls into temptation from time to time.
The least you can do is admit that you are a sinner, and that
you need God's eternal salvation in Jesus Christ our LORD and
Saviour. Because without God, your soul is in grave danger of
Death & Hell, then the Judgment. You'll pay every penny owed.
^^^^^ ^^^^^
No worldly church -- be they Atheists, Agnostics, Christians,
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Astrologers, Astronomers,
or what have you,--no worldly church can save you from your-
self. *ONLY* our heavenly Father and His first-begotten Son
(i.e., from out of our fallen, Adamic nature) Jesus Christ
is the Truth, the Way, and the Light. You must ask God and
Jesus DIRECTLY for help. No worldly mortal sinner can save
your soul from destruction and damnation exactly befitting
your works of good & evil--and your complicity with others.
Do What Thou Wilt,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593@anonymous.poster
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
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19 Jul 2006 05:57:18 AM |
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Ivdeo-Xian wrote:
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Faithfulness vs. Unfaithfulness
Loyalty vs. Disloyalty
Allegiance vs. Sedition
Marriage vs. Adultery
Chastity vs. Lechery
Strength vs. Weakness
Courage vs. Cowardice
Splendor vs. Dullness
Majesty vs. Ignominy
etc. etc. etc.
I.e., With God of Faith vs. Without God of Faith. E.g.:
"ego autem dico vobis quoniam omnis qui
I moreover am saying to you because everyone who
viderit mulierem ad concupiscendum eam iam
is looking at a woman toward to covet after her already
*moechatus est eam in corde suo"
he has committed adultery with her in the heart of him
--Matthew 5:28 editio Vulgata
interlinear translation by Daniel Joseph Min
*Strong's says:
[begin quote]
"3431 moiceuw moicheuo moy-khyoo'-o
from 3432; TDNT-4:729,605; v
AV-commit adultery 13, in adultery 1; 14
1) to commit adultery
1a) to be an adulterer
1b) to commit adultery with, have unlawful intercourse with
another's wife
1c) of the wife: to suffer adultery, be debauched
1d) A Hebrew idiom, the word is used of those who at a woman's
solicitation are drawn away to idolatry, i.e. to the
eating of things sacrificed to idols
"3432 moicov moichos moy-khos'
perhaps a primary word; TDNT-4:729,605; n m
AV-adulterer 4; 4
1) an adulterer
2) metaph. one who is faithless toward God, ungodly"
[end quote]
SOLIS:
"non moechaberis"
not shall you commit adultery.
VENERIS:
"non concupisces..."
not shall you covet
LVNE:
"honora patrem tuum et matrem tuam..."
honor the father yours and the mother yours
PLOVTON:
"non adsumes nomen Domini
not shall you take the name of the Dominant one
Dei tui in vanum..."
of the Gods yours in vain
etc. etc. etc.
--excerpts from Exodus 20:1-23, editio Vulgata, DJM
Ergo, "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the
evildoer"; i.e. the ego-self; literally, the devil-incarnate.
Your mortal ego-self is the devil-incarnate as your physical,
mortal, temporizing manifestation of your immortal soul-body.
God wants to help you, but God isn't going to do it for you.
You must participate in your salvation. Jesus is our brother
in the tribulation. Take up your tau, your ankh, and walk the
walk! Don't just talk the talk, or you'll pay the piper, bub.
The point is, if you don't feel married to God, obligated to
doing God's will, to hearing God's word, to giving thanks to
God always, then you are already an adulterer--and a traitor
against God eternal. You have violated all Ten Commandments,
even the Golden Rule upon which God's Eternal Universal Law
is eternally founded--infinite, like God's Universe, as with
eternal soul, each of whom has no ultimate beginning, and no
ultimate ending; but falls into temptation from time to time.
The least you can do is admit that you are a sinner, and that
you need God's eternal salvation in Jesus Christ our LORD and
Saviour. Because without God, your soul is in grave danger of
Death & Hell, then the Judgment. You'll pay every penny owed.
^^^^^ ^^^^^
No worldly church -- be they Atheists, Agnostics, Christians,
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Astrologers, Astronomers,
or what have you,--no worldly church can save you from your-
self. *ONLY* our heavenly Father and His first-begotten Son
(i.e., from out of our fallen, Adamic nature) Jesus Christ
is the Truth, the Way, and the Light. You must ask God and
Jesus DIRECTLY for help. No worldly mortal sinner can save
your soul from destruction and damnation exactly befitting
your works of good & evil--and your complicity with others.
Do What Thou Wilt,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593@anonymous.poster
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
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Oh yes everything in Black & White until your nuts start calling and
there you are In Flagrante delecto!
LB
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19 Jul 2006 09:26:39 AM |
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Ivdeo-Xian wrote:
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Faithfulness vs. Unfaithfulness
Loyalty vs. Disloyalty
Allegiance vs. Sedition
Marriage vs. Adultery
Chastity vs. Lechery
Strength vs. Weakness
Courage vs. Cowardice
Splendor vs. Dullness
Majesty vs. Ignominy
Well, Mad Min. I fancy the second of the alternatives in your first
four examples, and the first in the remaining four.
I bet you lead a boring life.
Werewolfy
God, he always ends with this drivel!
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19 Jul 2006 11:08:20 AM |
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<I bet you lead a boring life.
"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote <in message
History has shown the irony of it is that the individuals who are most
vehement in their worship and religious beliefs are usually the ones
who go around committing heinous sex crimes against innocent children
behind closed doors, while all the time hiding behind their bibles.
Then when they show up in court....Satan made them do it in a moment of
weakness.......yeah right.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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19 Jul 2006 01:26:22 PM |
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wrote:
"History has shown the irony of it ...."
Well said, Lorriems, well said. I've come across quite a few
'holier-than-thou' individuals who also subscribe to a variety of
repugnant practices.
Min? He's just repugnant. Not even interesting.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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19 Jul 2006 03:57:18 PM |
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wrote:
<I bet you lead a boring life.
"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote <in message
History has shown the irony of it is that the individuals who are most
vehement in their worship and religious beliefs are usually the ones
who go around committing heinous sex crimes against innocent children
behind closed doors,
That's interesting, but the most recent studies show that children who
live in homes where their mother is single or lives with a boyfriend
are far more likely to be abused than children who live in traditional
homes. Do you have a cite to back up your claim?
while all the time hiding behind their bibles.
Then when they show up in court....Satan made them do it in a moment of
weakness.......yeah right.
The way you worded your post makes it sound like the more religious
someone is, the more likely he is a child abuser. Was that your
intention? Yet the studies show a cohabiting boyfriend makes if far
more likely there will child abuse in that home. Do you think the more
religious someone is, the more likely he'll be cohabiting outside of
marriage?
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| User: "bye" |
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19 Jul 2006 06:05:48 PM |
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Do you think the more
religious someone is, the more likely he'll be cohabiting outside of
marriage?
Homosexuality runs rampent in the Mormon Church too!!! I remember when I
was about 16, I joined because the Mormon missionaries were cute!! When I
confessed my 'gayness' to the Bishop, I discovered they had a whole 'bureau'
to deal with the problem.
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153342638.302972.138460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
lorriems24@yahoo.com wrote:
<I bet you lead a boring life.
"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote <in message
History has shown the irony of it is that the individuals who are most
vehement in their worship and religious beliefs are usually the ones
who go around committing heinous sex crimes against innocent children
behind closed doors,
That's interesting, but the most recent studies show that children who
live in homes where their mother is single or lives with a boyfriend
are far more likely to be abused than children who live in traditional
homes. Do you have a cite to back up your claim?
while all the time hiding behind their bibles.
Then when they show up in court....Satan made them do it in a moment of
weakness.......yeah right.
The way you worded your post makes it sound like the more religious
someone is, the more likely he is a child abuser. Was that your
intention? Yet the studies show a cohabiting boyfriend makes if far
more likely there will child abuse in that home. Do you think the more
religious someone is, the more likely he'll be cohabiting outside of
marriage?
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Fidelity versus Infidelity ` |
20 Jul 2006 03:57:26 AM |
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bye wrote:
Homosexuality runs rampent in the Mormon Church too!!! I remember when I
was about 16, I joined because the Mormon missionaries were cute!! When I
confessed my 'gayness' to the Bishop, I discovered they had a whole 'bureau'
to deal with the problem.
At least they have an 'open' policy! Catholics always sweep
their...'errors of judgement'...under the carpet.
One ordained priest that I came across, would always be naked beneath
his black robe. He would visit women and make a point of sitting
in...revealing...positions! Mind, he spent much of his time praying in
the local bar to the Great God 'beer'.
They had to..move him..when I found him one night trying to steal a
radio from a car.
Halo's are not standard issue to 'believers'. All too often the aura of
sanctity these people try to emmanate, is like a strong perfume. Just a
smell to cover up a stench.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Kent Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Fidelity versus Infidelity ` |
20 Jul 2006 01:35:34 PM |
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<They had to..move him..when I found him one night trying to steal a radio
from a car.
"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote <in message
God probably came to him in a dream and said "gather unto you all that is
not yours"
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Fidelity versus Infidelity ` |
20 Jul 2006 06:45:37 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1153385846.097313.215030@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
bye wrote:
Homosexuality runs rampent in the Mormon Church too!!! I remember when
I
was about 16, I joined because the Mormon missionaries were cute!! When I
confessed my 'gayness' to the Bishop, I discovered they had a whole
'bureau'
to deal with the problem.
At least they have an 'open' policy! Catholics always sweep
their...'errors of judgement'...under the carpet.
One ordained priest that I came across, would always be naked beneath
his black robe. He would visit women and make a point of sitting
in...revealing...positions! Mind, he spent much of his time praying in
the local bar to the Great God 'beer'.
They had to..move him..when I found him one night trying to steal a
radio from a car.
Halo's are not standard issue to 'believers'. All too often the aura of
sanctity these people try to emmanate, is like a strong perfume. Just a
smell to cover up a stench.
Werewolfy
Precisely and well stated.
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| User: "Jane" |
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20 Jul 2006 05:49:02 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
bye wrote:
Homosexuality runs rampent in the Mormon Church too!!! I remember when I
was about 16, I joined because the Mormon missionaries were cute!! When I
confessed my 'gayness' to the Bishop, I discovered they had a whole 'bureau'
to deal with the problem.
At least they have an 'open' policy!
Perhaps mondo can explain what this "bureau" was all about! I'm not
taking his comment at face value. From what I know of the Mormon
church, they have as many secrets as any religion!
Jane
Catholics always sweep
their...'errors of judgement'...under the carpet.
One ordained priest that I came across, would always be naked beneath
his black robe. He would visit women and make a point of sitting
in...revealing...positions! Mind, he spent much of his time praying in
the local bar to the Great God 'beer'.
They had to..move him..when I found him one night trying to steal a
radio from a car.
Halo's are not standard issue to 'believers'. All too often the aura of
sanctity these people try to emmanate, is like a strong perfume. Just a
smell to cover up a stench.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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19 Jul 2006 05:59:09 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
That's interesting, but the most recent studies show that children who
live in homes where their mother is single or lives with a boyfriend
are far more likely to be abused than children who live in traditional
homes. Do you have a cite to back up your claim?
Please examine how many people in the world are 'single' parents...and
how many are religious clerics.
Extrapolate and I'm sure you will find an inordinate number of 'the
cloth' inclined in the direction of child abuse.
Too many of these people use an occupation such as 'Foster care
worker', Clergy,and even teachers in order to 'get close' to children
for their peculiar needs.
As a British Police Officer, I have dealt with a great many of these
people. In rather too many instances, the offenders have either been
clergy, or respected church-goers.
I don't need any statistical survey. It's a simple fact. A lot of
religious zealots have a hidden agenda.
I remember one vicar for his...peculiarity. He was a part-time teacher
guiding moral behaviour at a local school, in addition to his clerical
'calling'. Sadly, public toilets also held a certain 'calling' for him.
He would remove his clothes in a cubicle...even in the winter...attach
fish hooks through his nipples, then swing from the cistern from these
uncomfortable attachments, via fishing lines. This would cause him
sexual pleasure and satisfaction.
I advised him to seek medical help when I found him 'in the act'.
Instead, he continued, and a few months later I found his experiments
had gone a touch wrong. He was in his home swinging from the stairway
newell post, having achieved pleasure through self strangulation with a
strong cord. The cord had several previous cuts in it that had been
re-tied. Just out of his reach was a pair of scissors. He had become
very blotchy on his face, his eyes bulged and had been dead about 4
hours.
Oh dear...look how dangerous it is to miscalculate reaching distance.
No Stephen. Keep any concept of Devinity. I want no part of it.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Fidelity versus Infidelity ` |
20 Jul 2006 07:38:16 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
That's interesting, but the most recent studies show that children who
live in homes where their mother is single or lives with a boyfriend
are far more likely to be abused than children who live in traditional
homes. Do you have a cite to back up your claim?
Please examine how many people in the world are 'single' parents...and
how many are religious clerics.
Extrapolate and I'm sure you will find an inordinate number of 'the
cloth' inclined in the direction of child abuse.
Too many of these people use an occupation such as 'Foster care
worker', Clergy,and even teachers in order to 'get close' to children
for their peculiar needs.
As a British Police Officer, I have dealt with a great many of these
people. In rather too many instances, the offenders have either been
clergy, or respected church-goers.
I don't need any statistical survey. It's a simple fact. A lot of
religious zealots have a hidden agenda.
I detest child abusers of any stripe. And I believe those who do it
from a position of power in their clerical roles will have "hell" to
pay in the grand scheme of things. Of course I believe that about ANY
child abuser. But I assumed the original poster was referring to
religious people in general, not just the clerics. And the numbers show
(whether you acknowledge them or not) is that a child has an
inordinately higher chance of being abused in a home where the single
mother brings home the boyfriends than a child does who lives in a
traditional home. And those numbers apply to North America, the UK, and
Australia.
I remember one vicar for his...peculiarity. He was a part-time teacher
guiding moral behaviour at a local school, in addition to his clerical
'calling'. Sadly, public toilets also held a certain 'calling' for him.
He would remove his clothes in a cubicle...even in the winter...attach
fish hooks through his nipples, then swing from the cistern from these
uncomfortable attachments, via fishing lines. This would cause him
sexual pleasure and satisfaction.
I advised him to seek medical help when I found him 'in the act'.
Instead, he continued, and a few months later I found his experiments
had gone a touch wrong. He was in his home swinging from the stairway
newell post, having achieved pleasure through self strangulation with a
strong cord. The cord had several previous cuts in it that had been
re-tied. Just out of his reach was a pair of scissors. He had become
very blotchy on his face, his eyes bulged and had been dead about 4
hours.
Oh dear...look how dangerous it is to miscalculate reaching distance.
No Stephen. Keep any concept of Devinity. I want no part of it.
You've explained your problems with religion in the past. I have no
intention of imposing my beliefs on you, but that won't stop me from
expressing my views.
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| User: "Anthony Wilson" |
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| Title: Re: Fidelity versus Infidelity ` |
20 Jul 2006 08:43:46 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153399096.049527.240110@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
That's interesting, but the most recent studies show that children who
live in homes where their mother is single or lives with a boyfriend
are far more likely to be abused than children who live in traditional
homes. Do you have a cite to back up your claim?
Please examine how many people in the world are 'single' parents...and
how many are religious clerics.
Extrapolate and I'm sure you will find an inordinate number of 'the
cloth' inclined in the direction of child abuse.
Too many of these people use an occupation such as 'Foster care
worker', Clergy,and even teachers in order to 'get close' to children
for their peculiar needs.
As a British Police Officer, I have dealt with a great many of these
people. In rather too many instances, the offenders have either been
clergy, or respected church-goers.
I don't need any statistical survey. It's a simple fact. A lot of
religious zealots have a hidden agenda.
I detest child abusers of any stripe. And I believe those who do it
from a position of power in their clerical roles will have "hell" to
pay in the grand scheme of things. Of course I believe that about ANY
child abuser. But I assumed the original poster was referring to
religious people in general, not just the clerics. And the numbers show
(whether you acknowledge them or not) is that a child has an
inordinately higher chance of being abused in a home where the single
mother brings home the boyfriends than a child does who lives in a
traditional home. And those numbers apply to North America, the UK, and
Australia.
I remember one vicar for his...peculiarity. He was a part-time teacher
guiding moral behaviour at a local school, in addition to his clerical
'calling'. Sadly, public toilets also held a certain 'calling' for him.
He would remove his clothes in a cubicle...even in the winter...attach
fish hooks through his nipples, then swing from the cistern from these
uncomfortable attachments, via fishing lines. This would cause him
sexual pleasure and satisfaction.
I advised him to seek medical help when I found him 'in the act'.
Instead, he continued, and a few months later I found his experiments
had gone a touch wrong. He was in his home swinging from the stairway
newell post, having achieved pleasure through self strangulation with a
strong cord. The cord had several previous cuts in it that had been
re-tied. Just out of his reach was a pair of scissors. He had become
very blotchy on his face, his eyes bulged and had been dead about 4
hours.
Oh dear...look how dangerous it is to miscalculate reaching distance.
No Stephen. Keep any concept of Devinity. I want no part of it.
You've explained your problems with religion in the past. I have no
intention of imposing my beliefs on you, but that won't stop me from
expressing my views.
I was raised Catholic and was a Jehovah's Witness for 25 years. Their child
abuse problem is the worse I've seen in any religion. They lie to the press,
the media and to the rank and file. The men who run this cult are absolutely
shameless animals. I hope they burn in Hell.
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