http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald
and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be
between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- but that they
didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident astroturfer
claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they didn't have enough
info, rather than because it was not newsworthy - quite different
reasoning!)
Woods
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: FoleyGate: Fox Sat On The Emails, Too |
07 Oct 2006 10:25:14 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.07.14.59.40.103657@tepidmail.com...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald
and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be
between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- but that they
didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident astroturfer
claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they didn't have enough
info, rather than because it was not newsworthy - quite different
reasoning!)
Woods
Sounds like highly responsible journalism to me.
But this avoids the real issue. The real issue is Congressman Stubbs.
(Weak, vain ploy to divert attention from unconscionable behavior by
Republican leadership in the House)
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Oct 2006 10:29:16 AM |
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John Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.07.14.59.40.103657@tepidmail.com...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald
and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be
between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- but that they
didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident astroturfer
claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they didn't have enough
info, rather than because it was not newsworthy - quite different
reasoning!)
Woods
Sounds like highly responsible journalism to me.
But this avoids the real issue. The real issue is Congressman Stubbs.
(Weak, vain ploy to divert attention from unconscionable behavior by
Republican leadership in the House)
No, the real issue is that Foley resigned. But that's not enough for
the desperate libs, who must also chase after Hastert with no evidence.
But go ahead and bear false witness against Hastert, for whatever
specific crime you want to accuse him of with no evidence.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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07 Oct 2006 08:47:55 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
John Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.07.14.59.40.103657@tepidmail.com...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami
Herald and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that
seemed to be between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page
-- but that they didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as
well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident
astroturfer claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they
didn't have enough info, rather than because it was not newsworthy -
quite different reasoning!)
Woods
Sounds like highly responsible journalism to me.
But this avoids the real issue. The real issue is Congressman Stubbs.
(Weak, vain ploy to divert attention from unconscionable behavior by
Republican leadership in the House)
No, the real issue is that Foley resigned. But that's not enough for
the desperate libs, who must also chase after Hastert with no evidence.
I don't think any 'libs' have much to do with this. Hastert will
either fall on his own sword by resigning 'for the good of the party',
or be forced out by same party.
Personally, I think Hastert should fight this to the bitter end,
you know, stay in there no matter what anyone says. It's not like
he could bring down any other Republicans in the upcoming election,
you know ??
When you see Hastert, you tell him "you're doing a hell of a
job Denny."
But go ahead and bear false witness against Hastert, for whatever
specific crime you want to accuse him of with no evidence.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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07 Oct 2006 11:08:15 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:25:14 -0400, John Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.07.14.59.40.103657@tepidmail.com...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald
and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be
between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- but that they
didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident astroturfer
claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they didn't have enough
info, rather than because it was not newsworthy - quite different
reasoning!)
Woods
Sounds like highly responsible journalism to me.
Yes, and I'll bet Hastert stops his red herring attack on the media
(calling for an investigation to find out who in the media had the emails).
But this avoids the real issue. The real issue is Congressman Stubbs.
(Weak, vain ploy to divert attention from unconscionable behavior by
Republican leadership in the House)
That sucking sound we hear is the Right Wing collapsing on itself &
creating a power vacuum. I'm very hopeful that the Old Guard style
republicans who are still in the party will take back control.
Woods
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| User: "Perseid" |
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07 Oct 2006 08:54:33 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Woodswun
<woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
That sucking sound we hear is the Right Wing collapsing on itself &
creating a power vacuum. I'm very hopeful that the Old Guard style
republicans who are still in the party will take back control.
Woods
"I'm Melting, Melting, Melting..."
-Wizard of Oz (Wicked Witch of the East)
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Oct 2006 11:19:19 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:25:14 -0400, John Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.07.14.59.40.103657@tepidmail.com...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald
and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be
between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- but that they
didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident astroturfer
claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they didn't have enough
info, rather than because it was not newsworthy - quite different
reasoning!)
Woods
Sounds like highly responsible journalism to me.
Yes, and I'll bet Hastert stops his red herring attack on the media
(calling for an investigation to find out who in the media had the emails).
Which emails? The original emails with the former page in Lousiana?
Those emails? Or are you still purposely (and therefore dishonestly)
trying to confuse the issue by conflating those emails with the obscene
instant messages?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Oct 2006 10:21:36 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
"Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald
and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be
between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page -- but that they
didn't have enough to go public with the story."
I wonder if Hastert is going to point the finger at Fox News, as well?
(We apners can also note that, contrary to what our resident astroturfer
claims, other outlets didn't run the story because they didn't have enough
info, rather than because it was not newsworthy - quite different
reasoning!)
I posted the actual blog of the staff of the St. Petersburg Times, and
it was they who said (with the facts they had at the time) they did not
find the emails newsworthy, and that other news outlets who had access
to the emails apparently felt the same way. And now the family of the
former page involved has issued a statement, saying they did not want
the matter investigated and did not want a media frenzy. The new
outlets also took that into consideration since the page involved would
not speak on the record. I suppose you could call that not having
enough info to run the story, couldn't you?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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08 Oct 2006 02:43:50 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
I posted the actual blog of the staff of the St. Petersburg
Times, and it was they who said (with the facts they
had at the time) they did not find the emails newsworthy,
Well you should contact them, quick, because they keep
going on TV and saying the exact opposite.
What they're saying now (and have never not said) was
that the charge was too explosive -- that they didn't want
to ruin a man's career without something else to go on.
In short: They wanted more information.
Far from lack of newsworthiness, they were certain that
their readers would react... well... very much as they are
reacting now to the story.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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08 Oct 2006 04:46:16 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
I posted the actual blog of the staff of the St. Petersburg
Times, and it was they who said (with the facts they
had at the time) they did not find the emails newsworthy,
Well you should contact them, quick, because they keep
going on TV and saying the exact opposite.
What they're saying now (and have never not said) was
that the charge was too explosive -- that they didn't want
to ruin a man's career without something else to go on.
In short: They wanted more information.
Far from lack of newsworthiness, they were certain that
their readers would react... well... very much as they are
reacting now to the story.
Wrong again, goofball. I've posted the exact words of the two
newspapers themselves. Here's one of them again, just for you:
[excerpt] Rep. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., the speaker of the House, has
acknowledged only that his staff had been made aware of concerns about
what they termed ''over-friendly'' e-mails that Mr. Foley had sent to a
16-year-old page -- including one requesting a photo -- in the fall of
2005, and that his staff referred the matter to the House clerk.
Some newspapers -- including this one -- knew of this message as well
and did not find it worthy of a news story because it seemed innocuous.
Thus, Democratic charges of a ''cover up'' of Mr. Foley's activities by
the Republican House leadership seem not only premature but crassly
political. [end excerpt]
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/15664741.htm
Some newspapers -- including that one -- did not find that email worthy
of a news story because it seemed innocuous. Take a hike, troll.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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08 Oct 2006 05:47:57 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Wrong again, goofball.
Like I said, you should tell them that they're wrong....
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
Those bastards keep lying -- going on TV and saying that
they needed more info.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: FoleyGate: Fox Sat On The Emails, Too |
08 Oct 2006 06:09:45 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Wrong again, goofball.
Like I said, you should tell them that they're wrong....
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6211216
Those bastards keep lying -- going on TV and saying that
they needed more info.
Here's the actual quote from the editor of the St. Petersburg Times,
taken right from your source:
[quoting] "We verified the accuracy of the email we had," says Neil
Brown, executive editor of the St Petersburg Times. "We also spoke with
congressman Foley and spoke with the boy's parents. Congressman Foley
told us we had misinterpreted it -- and in fact maybe a page had
misinterpreted it." [end quote]
Foley told everyone he was concerned for the welfare of the former page
from Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. The page did not want to speak
on the record. He and his parents did not want the matter investigated.
They only wanted Foley to stop contacting their son. Foley was told to
stop, and he stopped. And for that, Hastert should resign.
Yeah, that's logic <sarcasm intended>.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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08 Oct 2006 11:12:28 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Here's the actual quote from
Fine. great. Lovely.
You find one quote that contradicts everything they are
saying on television and radio, and you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
Whatever it takes, I guess.
If it helps you to deny reality, to pretend that the GOP
isn't FAR WORSE than the Democrats, you'll never let
go...
The Democrats censored Studds, the Republicans did
everything within their power to keep the Foley story
under wraps.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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09 Oct 2006 07:45:09 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:12:28 -0700, JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Here's the actual quote from
Fine. great. Lovely.
You find one quote that contradicts everything they are
saying on television and radio, and you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
Whatever it takes, I guess.
If it helps you to deny reality, to pretend that the GOP
isn't FAR WORSE than the Democrats, you'll never let
go...
The Democrats censored Studds, the Republicans did
everything within their power to keep the Foley story
under wraps.
IMHO, they should have kicked BOTH Studds and Crane out of Congress.
Instead, they left it up to the voters. But the point is, nobody tried to
cover anything up in order to maintain power. I don't think Steven wants
to admit that's what the real issue is, not Foley's actions and
"punishment".
Woods
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Oct 2006 08:08:37 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
IMHO, they should have kicked BOTH Studds and
Crane out of Congress.
The censor came over the recommendation that they
merely reprimand him.
Keep in mind, like today, Studds had not done anything
technically illegal, and the house rules themselves were
pretty lax 23 years ago.
It was nothing like the Foley case, either, where Foley
apparently kept one hand on the keyboard and one on
the law & rule books.
Foley, for example, appears to have chiefly targeted
pages AFTER they returned home, skirting the house
rules put into place after the Studds affair.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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09 Oct 2006 10:05:15 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:12:28 -0700, JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Here's the actual quote from
Fine. great. Lovely.
You find one quote that contradicts everything they are
saying on television and radio, and you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
Whatever it takes, I guess.
If it helps you to deny reality, to pretend that the GOP
isn't FAR WORSE than the Democrats, you'll never let
go...
The Democrats censored Studds, the Republicans did
everything within their power to keep the Foley story
under wraps.
IMHO, they should have kicked BOTH Studds and Crane out of Congress.
Instead, they left it up to the voters. But the point is, nobody tried to
cover anything up in order to maintain power.
Please explain *exactly* what was covered up, and please explain
*exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered up.
I don't think Steven wants to admit that's what the real issue is,
not Foley's actions and "punishment".
Just explain, once and for all, *exactly* what was covered up, and
please explain *exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered
up. Thank you in advance for what I know will be your informative
response.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: FoleyGate: Fox Sat On The Emails, Too |
10 Oct 2006 05:01:48 AM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:12:28 -0700, JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Here's the actual quote from
Fine. great. Lovely.
You find one quote that contradicts everything they are
saying on television and radio, and you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
Whatever it takes, I guess.
If it helps you to deny reality, to pretend that the GOP
isn't FAR WORSE than the Democrats, you'll never let
go...
The Democrats censored Studds, the Republicans did
everything within their power to keep the Foley story
under wraps.
IMHO, they should have kicked BOTH Studds and Crane out of Congress.
Instead, they left it up to the voters. But the point is, nobody tried to
cover anything up in order to maintain power.
Please explain *exactly* what was covered up, and please explain
*exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered up.
I don't think Steven wants to admit that's what the real issue is,
not Foley's actions and "punishment".
Just explain, once and for all, *exactly* what was covered up, and
please explain *exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered
up. Thank you in advance for what I know will be your informative
response.
Foley resigned because he's an alcoholic.
Hastert's pants were set on fire by the Democrats because he's possibly
an alcoholic too. And the ethics investigation is over whether Hastert
was too drunk to remember being told of Foley's drinking problem.
I have no idea why everyone's taking about Pages.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: FoleyGate: Fox Sat On The Emails, Too |
10 Oct 2006 06:57:26 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:12:28 -0700, JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Here's the actual quote from
Fine. great. Lovely.
You find one quote that contradicts everything they are
saying on television and radio, and you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
Whatever it takes, I guess.
If it helps you to deny reality, to pretend that the GOP
isn't FAR WORSE than the Democrats, you'll never let
go...
The Democrats censored Studds, the Republicans did
everything within their power to keep the Foley story
under wraps.
IMHO, they should have kicked BOTH Studds and Crane out of Congress.
Instead, they left it up to the voters. But the point is, nobody
tried to cover anything up in order to maintain power.
Please explain *exactly* what was covered up, and please explain
*exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered up.
I don't think Steven wants to admit that's what the real issue is,
not Foley's actions and "punishment".
Just explain, once and for all, *exactly* what was covered up, and
please explain *exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered
up. Thank you in advance for what I know will be your informative
response.
Foley resigned because he's an alcoholic.
Hastert's pants were set on fire by the Democrats because he's possibly
an alcoholic too. And the ethics investigation is over whether Hastert
was too drunk to remember being told of Foley's drinking problem.
I have no idea why everyone's taking about Pages.
Ha! Exactly. What the hell do Pages have to do with any of this.
Those damn Pages are nothing but a sexual distraction anyway...
they should just get of the whole Page program and its entire
230 year history.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: FoleyGate: Fox Sat On The Emails, Too |
10 Oct 2006 04:33:42 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:01:48 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:12:28 -0700, JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Here's the actual quote from
Fine. great. Lovely.
You find one quote that contradicts everything they are
saying on television and radio, and you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
Whatever it takes, I guess.
If it helps you to deny reality, to pretend that the GOP
isn't FAR WORSE than the Democrats, you'll never let
go...
The Democrats censored Studds, the Republicans did
everything within their power to keep the Foley story
under wraps.
IMHO, they should have kicked BOTH Studds and Crane out of Congress.
Instead, they left it up to the voters. But the point is, nobody tried to
cover anything up in order to maintain power.
Please explain *exactly* what was covered up, and please explain
*exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered up.
I don't think Steven wants to admit that's what the real issue is,
not Foley's actions and "punishment".
Just explain, once and for all, *exactly* what was covered up, and
please explain *exactly* who covered up whatever you think was covered
up. Thank you in advance for what I know will be your informative
response.
Foley resigned because he's an alcoholic.
Hastert's pants were set on fire by the Democrats because he's possibly
an alcoholic too. And the ethics investigation is over whether Hastert
was too drunk to remember being told of Foley's drinking problem.
I have no idea why everyone's taking about Pages.
LOL!
You're too funny, Marv!
Woods
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