LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the status of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic faith, I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property, even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its merits. Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is like an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was also a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman who is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect for each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to know a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she decides to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here, where a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment. What a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept led to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim women know
what really counts.
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the status of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic faith, I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property, even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its merits. Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is like an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was also a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman who is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect for each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to know a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she decides to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here, where a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment. What a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept led to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim women know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the status of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic faith, I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property, even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its merits. Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is like an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was also a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman who is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect for each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to know a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she decides to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here, where a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment. What a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept led to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim women know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz puttin a beetin' on her and sho
seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her onli way out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling with this issue. Sunnis and
Shiites have different laws pertaining to woman. One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's
estate upon his death. Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you read above
is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what it's like for women in Islamic countries
than listen to the interviews of some Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi
constitution. Very brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to kill their
unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era of woman's rights based not entirely
in Islam, but protection from certian aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic faith, I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here, where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment. What a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her onli way
out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution. Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading, for
some unknown reason...
Jane
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html
?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the
status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic faith,
I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that
not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its
merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount
of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they
had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is
like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was
also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others
must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences
have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman
who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect
for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to
know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here,
where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment. What
a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that
Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept
led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam
actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good
Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz
puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her onli
way
out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his
death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of
some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution. Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to
kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading, for
some unknown reason...
I can only assume you believe that due to same failing in your own ability
to read. Wht people have scoffed at is your know-it-all attitude about Islam
where you believe the books you have read (and let' s face it, they haven't
exactly been from a broad spectrum of opinion when it comes to Islam) are
the undistilled, unbiased truth even though people who have lived in or
experienced the broad range of cultures that can be described as Islamic are
telling you that you have it wrong on certain issues. Though I think you
realise this...
Jane
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html
?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was
misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between
willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the
status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic
faith,
I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that
not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its
merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount
of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they
had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is
like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was
also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others
must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences
have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman
who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk
around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect
for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to
know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she
decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here,
where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment.
What
a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that
Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept
led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam
actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can
do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good
Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have
more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim
women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz
puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her onli
way
out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his
death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of
some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution.
Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to
kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era
of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading, for
some unknown reason...
I can only assume you believe that due to same failing in your own ability
to read. Wht people have scoffed at is your know-it-all attitude about
Islam
where you believe the books you have read (and let' s face it, they
haven't
exactly been from a broad spectrum of opinion when it comes to Islam) are
the undistilled, unbiased truth even though people who have lived in or
experienced the broad range of cultures that can be described as Islamic
are
telling you that you have it wrong on certain issues. Though I think you
realise this...
I am not going to bite this time.
Jane
Jane
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html
?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was
misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between
willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the
status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic
faith,
I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that
not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she
is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her
property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have
those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its
merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least
amount
of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so
that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard
they
had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is
like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was
also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died
or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others
must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences
have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women
and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a
woman
who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk
around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect
for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to
know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she
decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here,
where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She
is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment.
What
a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to
be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention
that
Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin
concept
led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam
actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can
do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good
Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have
more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim
women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz
puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her
onli
way
out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling
with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to
woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his
death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you
read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what
it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of
some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution.
Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to
kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era
of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from
certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading,
for
some unknown reason...
I can only assume you believe that due to same failing in your own
ability
to read. Wht people have scoffed at is your know-it-all attitude about
Islam
where you believe the books you have read (and let' s face it, they
haven't
exactly been from a broad spectrum of opinion when it comes to Islam)
are
the undistilled, unbiased truth even though people who have lived in or
experienced the broad range of cultures that can be described as Islamic
are
telling you that you have it wrong on certain issues. Though I think you
realise this...
I am not going to bite this time.
Ironic, considering you were the one dangling bait.
Jane
Jane
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html
?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was
misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which
protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between
willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the
status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic
faith,
I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress
that
not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she
is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her
property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to
be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have
those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its
merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least
amount
of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so
that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard
they
had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry
is
like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives
was
also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died
or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as
relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the
others
must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My
experiences
have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women
and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a
woman
who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk
around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no
respect
for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to
know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she
decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here,
where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She
is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment.
What
a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to
be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention
that
Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin
concept
led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam
actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can
do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good
Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have
more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim
women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz
puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her
onli
way
out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling
with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to
woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his
death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you
read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what
it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of
some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution.
Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to
kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new
era
of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from
certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading,
for
some unknown reason...
I can only assume you believe that due to same failing in your own
ability
to read. Wht people have scoffed at is your know-it-all attitude about
Islam
where you believe the books you have read (and let' s face it, they
haven't
exactly been from a broad spectrum of opinion when it comes to Islam)
are
the undistilled, unbiased truth even though people who have lived in or
experienced the broad range of cultures that can be described as
Islamic
are
telling you that you have it wrong on certain issues. Though I think
you
realise this...
I am not going to bite this time.
Ironic, considering you were the one dangling bait.
Ummm, but I wasn't talking to you.
Jane
Jane
Jane
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Jane wrote:
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html
?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was
misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between
willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the
status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic
faith,
I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that
not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its
merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount
of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they
had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is
like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was
also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others
must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences
have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman
who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk
around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect
for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to
know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she
decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here,
where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment.
What
a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that
Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept
led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam
actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can
do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good
Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have
more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim
women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz
puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her onli
way
out.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his
death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of
some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution.
Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to
kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era
of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading, for
some unknown reason...
I can only assume you believe that due to same failing in your own ability
to read. Wht people have scoffed at is your know-it-all attitude about
Islam
where you believe the books you have read (and let' s face it, they
haven't
exactly been from a broad spectrum of opinion when it comes to Islam) are
the undistilled, unbiased truth even though people who have lived in or
experienced the broad range of cultures that can be described as Islamic
are
telling you that you have it wrong on certain issues. Though I think you
realise this...
I am not going to bite this time.
Jane
Jane
You didn't bite on the original post either....
JayJBee
"There was a pittyfull "thank you" when "the phylosopher" walked over
his own dreams again."
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21 Aug 2005 04:44:02 AM |
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SORRY, but I find the reference to TRUE Sharia 'non-existant' even amongst the TRUE Followers
Of Their Own Faith !!!
To Allow the Woman to have EQUAL RIGHTS in any FAITH has been a (Theoretically Sound)
attitude -but, has never been observed by any court (OF, any Faith) !!!
An 'Injustice' - maybe, but these have been the FACTs !!!
Just My Thoughts.
;-)
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LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html
?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was
misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the
Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male
dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects
women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between
willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the
status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic
faith,
I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that
not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property,
even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its
merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount
of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that
the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they
had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is
like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was
also
a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or
they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant
today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and
family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others
must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences
have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and
like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman
who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk
around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect
for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to
know
a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she
decides
to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here,
where
a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment.
What
a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and
families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be
with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an
individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that
Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept
led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam
actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for
making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can
do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good
Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have
more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim
women
know
what really counts.
Jane, muzlum weemin got it veri gud. muzlum guyz treat dar weemin
exceelent.
http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm
da leetel woomin bonked her huzband on da head. my guess iz he waz
puttin
a beetin' on her and sho seen dat bonkin him on da noggin was her onli
way
out.
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Actually Jane, the constitution being written in Iraq is wrestling with
this issue. Sunnis and Shiites have different laws pertaining to woman.
One issue at hand is what happens to the husband's estate upon his
death.
Sunni and Shiite law treats women different. The hogwash that you read
above is a lot of nonsensical BS. If you really want to know what it's
like for women in Islamic countries than listen to the interviews of
some
Iraqi women who are trying to influence the new Iraqi constitution.
Very
brave women. While some women in this country fight for the right to
kill
their unborn, these women in Iraq are trying to champion in a new era
of
woman's rights based not entirely in Islam, but protection from certian
aspects of Islam. It's a must listen! Enjoy.........I did.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4785286
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading, for
some unknown reason...
I can only assume you believe that due to same failing in your own ability
to read. Wht people have scoffed at is your know-it-all attitude about
Islam
where you believe the books you have read (and let' s face it, they
haven't
exactly been from a broad spectrum of opinion when it comes to Islam) are
the undistilled, unbiased truth even though people who have lived in or
experienced the broad range of cultures that can be described as Islamic
are
telling you that you have it wrong on certain issues. Though I think you
realise this...
I am not going to bite this time.
Jane
Jane
You didn't bite on the original post either....
JayJBee
"There was a pittyfull "thank you" when "the phylosopher" walked over
his own dreams again."
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| User: "TheCO" |
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11 Aug 2005 09:43:14 PM |
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Jane wrote:
Thanks. I'll listen when I get a chance. I've read a lot about the
treatment of women in Islam, but folks here seem to scoff at reading, for
some unknown reason...
At least part of the problem seems to be that although the Quran (at
least by 7th century standards)is somewhat supportive of women, Mohammed
himself seems to have been both mysoginistic and an exploiter of women.
and girls.
Much of what is in Sharia that oppresses women (and anyone that claims
Sharia isn't oppressive in general and towards women in particular
hasn't read much of it) is not only based on Quranic references, but on
Hadit (things that Mohammed said that were not part of the Quranic
recitation that was (supposedly) direct from Allah. Hadith has nearly
the same weight as the Quran in some cultures and much of Mohammeds
mysoginistic viewpoint is espoused in it and has wound up in Sharia.
---
The CO
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| User: "mondo" |
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11 Aug 2005 12:01:08 AM |
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I read the article and was pondering...assuming that the birthrate is
roughly the same for women and men....if a few men are taking up all the
women...then what about all those poor guys that are not getting wives? How
are they accounted? Where is the justice for men?
mondo
"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IUzKe.8794$6d4.1170685@news20.bellglobal.com...
LIFE IS GOOD FOR MUSLIM WOMEN
Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=6c1a5632-a376-4ac3-b9b8-3e56b4e8ed91
When I was a non-Muslim, I, too, believed that Islam was misogynistic,
male-dominated and backwards. Imagine my surprise after I read the Qur'an
and learned Islam is diametrically opposed to misogyny and male dominance,
and, in fact, is a very progressive and gentle faith which protects women.
I have seen a lot of controversy over the last few weeks about the
application of sharia law to resolving family disputes between willing
individuals in Canada. The subject has led to a discussion of the status
of
women in Islam.
As a Canadian caucasian woman who recently accepted the Islamic faith, I
would like to share my thoughts.
There is good and bad everywhere and it is important to stress that not
every Muslim follows true sharia. Humans are not infallible.
First and foremost, Islam gives a woman more legal rights than she is
afforded using Canadian law -- the right to keep all of her property, even
in a divorce; the right to keep her own money; even the right to be
sexually
satisfied, among many other things. Non-Muslim women don't have those
rights; they are just expected to suck it up.
The concept of a dowry might seem odd in Canada, but it has its merits.
Many
divorced women in Canada live below the poverty line because their
ex-husbands are unwilling to support them. They pay the least amount of
alimony possible and transfer their assets to their new wives so that the
ex-wife gets nothing.
There are not many divorced women who live at the same standard they had
while married unless they are professional women. To me, a dowry is like
an
insurance policy -- the just-in-case part of marriage.
(I thought the concept of men being able to have multiple wives was also a
way for women to be kept safe and protected if their husbands died or they
could not otherwise marry. I'm not sure whether that is as relevant today;
most men don't have enough money to support more than one wife and family.
Moreover, the Qur'an stipulates that what one wife gets, the others must
also be provided with).
Islam gives women more respect than any other faith. My experiences have
shown me (for the most part) that Muslim men really respect women and like
them for who they are. In my opinion, nothing is sexier than a woman who
is
covered up. No woman with any amount of self-respect would walk around
looking like she is soliciting sex. Too many people have no respect for
each
other at all. It's very sad to see.
Refraining from sex before marriage affords the woman the right to know a
man first and give the man her mind, heart and soul before she decides to
give her body (which is completely backwards to the thinking here, where a
woman has to "put out" in order to get another date).
The woman is never compromised or coerced in any way in Islam. She is
always
in control of her body and is always provided a safe environment. What a
concept.
Women are protected in Islam. Men are responsible for the safety,
protection, financial support and well-being of their wives and families.
Perhaps an old-fashioned concept, but it works. Real women want to be with
real men. Moreover, Islam allows for women to be emancipated and
independent.
Islam is easy and fair for both sexes. It is a faith between an individual
and God. In its story about Adam and Eve, Islam did not mention that Eve
encouraged Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. The original sin concept led
to
the downgrading of women in the early Christian culture. Islam actually
treats love-making with ease and Muslims expect to be rewarded for making
love to their lawful spouses.
Muslim women can do anything that any other woman in the world can do,
cultural limitations notwithstanding. The only difference is good Muslim
women still have their honour and respect their husbands.
Generally speaking, my experience has been that Muslim women have more
self-respect and confidence than non-Muslim women because Muslim women
know
what really counts.
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11 Aug 2005 08:05:56 PM |
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Lightwing Wrote:
Kudos to mondo... When people really stop and analyze the situation
where there are so many wives being taken by one man they will see that
those men are "VIOLATORS" of *HIS* "LAW" that states... "Thou Shalt Not
Commit Adultery"!
Having "ANY" sex outside of the marriage is considered adultery and
therefore if a man or woman is married and they go and have sex with
another even if they marry that other they have committed the act of
Adultery.
That is why I know that these teachings by the others is "NOT" under
the laws of *GOD* and that is why they have fought each other for so
long as they know that if they are found out by others they will not be
allowed to keep their practices going of dominating the lives of
others.
For the women I would ask you one and all to give serious thought to
why the law was established by *GOD*... My own personal assessment is
that you will be able to keep your families united in a more harmonious
and less outside influenced environment that will promote the "LOVE" of
the relationship and not the "LUSTS" of the flesh.
I Bid *ALL* Peace...
Lightwing
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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11 Aug 2005 07:15:33 AM |
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M. Stat quoted an article;-
"Maureen McCormick, Calgary Herald, 8/10/05"
It sounds rather like the writer has more interest in comfort, than she
does in divinity.
With a name like that...McCormick, she was probably a Catholic before.
Out of the fying pan...into the fire I suppose.
Werewolfy
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