Former MP talks about UFOs
Written by Logan Crowell, Staff Writer
Wednesday, 21 March 2007
Says aliens are real and that we really need to talk
According to the Ufology Research of Manitoba, there were over
700 unidentified flying object sightings in Canada during 2005. This was
the second highest amount ever recorded, surpassed only by the year
before. Around 92 per cent of annual sightings are either explained or
unreliable. The remaining eight per cent, however, are considered
high-quality, unexplained cases. They are the cases that have the
potential to be authentic alien sightings.
Most UFO sightings receive no media attention and even less
scientific inquiry. They lack credible, influential support. Without it,
the believers are largely left on their own with little hope of proving
the sightings as anything alien. So when Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian
defence minister, announced that he had seen a UFO and believed it to be
of alien origin, there was quite a ruckus.
The revelation was made by Hellyer in 2005 while giving a speech
at an Exopolitics conference in Toronto. Exopolitics is the study of
relations between humans and extraterrestrials, and the conference was
held to discuss this. According to one Exopolitics website
(www.exopolitics.com), most supporters of Exopolitics organizations
believe aliens have already reached Earth and the time has come to address
the issue of communicating with them.
So Hellyer, a member of both the Pearson and Trudeau cabinets,
called on world governments to reveal that they have, over the years,
located several alien vessels. The speech, currently available on Google
Video, was met with thunderous applause. The nature of Hellyer's status
instantly granted the Exopolitics organization the credentials it needed
to be taken more seriously.
Following the speech, Hellyer did little to push world
governments to follow his request until 2007. Speaking to the Ottawa
Citizen in February, Hellyer stated he believed that the alien crafts that
are found presented solutions for the climate crisis. If governments would
admit what they had then, Hellyer claimed the problem may be solved.
"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they
know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to
save our planet if applied quickly enough," Hellyer said. It was a brave
claim for the 83-year-old who is best known for merging the Canadian
military units into the Canadian Forces.
Hellyer's comments made national and international headlines for
their audacity. The timing of Hellyer's claim, however, was chosen to
coincide with the release of a film called Fastwalkers. The film,
sponsored by Exopolitics Toronto, compiles over 30 eyewitness accounts
detailing the international government conspiracy hiding actual UFO
debris. The group claims that the film features witnesses ranging from
"intelligence officials, to major airline pilots, nuclear and optical
physicists," among others. It is meant, along with Hellyer's claims, to
generate a public outcry. If correct, the Exopolitics supporters would
force major governments to reveal their UFO findings, and world problems
such as global warming could be solved.
It is possible, however, that even if there were alien crafts
currently held by world powers, they would fail to provide answers. Dr.
Michael DeRobertis, York University professor and member of the Skeptics
Canada Society for Critical Inquiry, says that he sees the challenge of
reverse engineering alien technology as far beyond current human capacity.
"Suppose we could transport ourselves back in time 40 to 50,000
years ago ( . . . ) and we dropped off our watch with our earliest
ancestors. They wouldn't have a clue what it was for. They may have some
idea that it required mechanical design, but they would not have a clue,"
he stated. "The idea that any alien race that could make it here (to
Earth), that we could make sense of (their technology), is pushing it a
great deal." Accurate or not, the urge for true alien contact remains
strong. Speculating on potential reasons for the strength of the alien
urge, DeRobertis touched a note very similar to one of the claims made in
the film Fastwalkers.
"At the same time as religious authority ( . . . ) has subsided,
we have an increase in the number of people who are still seeking these
transcendental urges ( . . . ) under the guise of science," he explained.
Fastwalkers' press release describes the film as exploring "some
of the spiritual and religious implications of the disclosure of
extraterrestrial life." The yearning for spirituality seems undeniably
interconnected with the yearning for alien contact.
Whether there have indeed been alien visitors or not, the
implications of such a visit have already begun to inspire humans to act.
For Exopolitics Toronto, the inspiration has led to pieces such as
Fastwalkers. Through the film, they hope to build their case and help
others to believe. Furthermore, the appeal of supporters such as Hellyer
is strong. The chance to add credibility to an incredible claim is
invaluable.
For the scientific community, however, the name makes little
difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming majority of
scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for extraterrestrials
visiting our planet.
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On 2007-03-21 17:19:00 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> said:
For the scientific community, however, the name makes little
difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming majority
of scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for
extraterrestrials visiting our planet.
DeRoberts is absolutely correct. There is NO tangible evidence what so ever.
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"Cameltoe Johnson" <Cam@toe.net> wrote in message
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On 2007-03-21 17:19:00 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net>
said:
For the scientific community, however, the name makes little
difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming majority
of scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for
extraterrestrials visiting our planet.
DeRoberts is absolutely correct. There is NO tangible evidence what so
ever.
God's an extraterrestrial, ain't he? or it? or she? Where did Mankind come
from? According to the Bible it was created by God. An extraterrestrial
super-intelligence creating us -- we've sprung from an extraterrestrial
being. Doesn't that make us just a wee bit... uh...extraterrestrial? We
supposedly are made in that God's image, and share similiar
characteristics, such as intelligence.
Many scientists would've said centuries ago there was no 'compelling
evidence' to think the earth wasn't flat, or that it wasn't the center of
the universe, with bodies revolving around it.
Do scientists, at any given time in history, know all there is to know?
Quantum physics is theoretical, but continues to stretch the conceptual
boundaries of what was previously accepted by 'most scientists.'
When we close our minds to what we cannot understand, or don't wish to
accept as reality, we deny the very origin and nature of our own
species -- theories abound, but how did humankind come to be? We don't
know. We can only believe at this point.
A species that can't scientifically prove its own origin, but strangely
argues against other lesser mysteries, or theories, or concepts. If one
UFO was a product of an alien intelligence that visited sometime in our
species' relatively short span on earth (other species have been here much
longer), it would undoubtedly be a watershed moment for humanity --
knowing for the first time, not just believing, that other tool-builders,
civilization-makers, abstract thinkers are 'out there.'
I think that's much more important to consider seriously than whatever our
scientists believe or not believe about the evidence so far presented as
primarily eyewitness accounts.
Widely accepting that ethereal realms exist after death, and that death
itself is but a doorway into them, is indicative of a species that desires
to transcend the physical limitations of its everyday existence.
Might not other intelligences have found a method to transcend great
distances as easily as our minds dream of, or experience trancendence? I
think it's very possible. You can think what you want, of course, and keep
abreast of the news of our wonderful reality everyday -- the stock market
monied material world, the murders and wars, old age and affirmity,
egotism, ad nauseam -- but understand that some folks think beyond 'the
box.' If we hadn't had those individuals, we'd not, for example, had the
electricity to power your computer, or the computer itself, or the
internet. LOL!
Docrodile ;))~
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24 Mar 2007 05:58:39 AM |
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On 2007-03-23 02:53:53 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> said:
"Cameltoe Johnson" <Cam@toe.net> wrote in message
news:4602f1b0$0$5760$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On 2007-03-21 17:19:00 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> said:
For the scientific community, however, the name makes little
difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming majority
of scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for
extraterrestrials visiting our planet.
DeRoberts is absolutely correct. There is NO tangible evidence what so ever.
God's an extraterrestrial, ain't he? or it? or she? Where did Mankind
come from? According to the Bible it was created by God.
There is no God. Period. Prove otherwise.
(rest of his ***** snipped)
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24 Mar 2007 06:29:28 AM |
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"Cameltoe Johnson" <Cam@toe.net> wrote in message
news:4605045f$0$16688$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On 2007-03-23 02:53:53 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net>
said:
"Cameltoe Johnson" <Cam@toe.net> wrote in message
news:4602f1b0$0$5760$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On 2007-03-21 17:19:00 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net>
said:
For the scientific community, however, the name makes
little difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming
majority of scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for
extraterrestrials visiting our planet.
DeRoberts is absolutely correct. There is NO tangible evidence what so
ever.
God's an extraterrestrial, ain't he? or it? or she? Where did Mankind
come from? According to the Bible it was created by God.
There is no God. Period. Prove otherwise.
(rest of his ***** snipped)
Why don't you present your hard scientific evidence of the non-existence
of God to the species?
You'll be famous.
The only human that has proven conclusively, unequivocally that God is
just a figment of our imagination.
Just think of the notoreity!
The groupies!
You'll be on the Larry King Show!
LOL!!!
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24 Mar 2007 06:16:52 AM |
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"Cameltoe Johnson" <Cam@toe.net> wrote in message
news:4605045f$0$16688$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On 2007-03-23 02:53:53 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net>
said:
"Cameltoe Johnson" <Cam@toe.net> wrote in message
news:4602f1b0$0$5760$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On 2007-03-21 17:19:00 -0400, "Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net>
said:
For the scientific community, however, the name makes
little difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming
majority of scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for
extraterrestrials visiting our planet.
DeRoberts is absolutely correct. There is NO tangible evidence what so
ever.
God's an extraterrestrial, ain't he? or it? or she? Where did Mankind
come from? According to the Bible it was created by God.
There is no God. Period. Prove otherwise.
(rest of his ***** snipped)
Why? You've made up your mind. You'll find out after you die. We all will.
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On Mar 22, 7:19 am, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Former MP talks about UFOs
Written by Logan Crowell, Staff Writer
Wednesday, 21 March 2007
Says aliens are real and that we really need to talk
According to the Ufology Research of Manitoba, there were over
700 unidentified flying object sightings in Canada during 2005. This was
the second highest amount ever recorded, surpassed only by the year
before. Around 92 per cent of annual sightings are either explained or
unreliable. The remaining eight per cent, however, are considered
high-quality, unexplained cases. They are the cases that have the
potential to be authentic alien sightings.
Most UFO sightings receive no media attention and even less
scientific inquiry. They lack credible, influential support. Without it,
the believers are largely left on their own with little hope of proving
the sightings as anything alien. So when Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian
defence minister, announced that he had seen a UFO and believed it to be
of alien origin, there was quite a ruckus.
The revelation was made by Hellyer in 2005 while giving a speech
at an Exopolitics conference in Toronto. Exopolitics is the study of
relations between humans and extraterrestrials, and the conference was
held to discuss this. According to one Exopolitics website
(www.exopolitics.com), most supporters of Exopolitics organizations
believe aliens have already reached Earth and the time has come to address
the issue of communicating with them.
So Hellyer, a member of both the Pearson and Trudeau cabinets,
called on world governments to reveal that they have, over the years,
located several alien vessels. The speech, currently available on Google
Video, was met with thunderous applause. The nature of Hellyer's status
instantly granted the Exopolitics organization the credentials it needed
to be taken more seriously.
Following the speech, Hellyer did little to push world
governments to follow his request until 2007. Speaking to the Ottawa
Citizen in February, Hellyer stated he believed that the alien crafts that
are found presented solutions for the climate crisis. If governments would
admit what they had then, Hellyer claimed the problem may be solved.
"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they
know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to
save our planet if applied quickly enough," Hellyer said. It was a brave
claim for the 83-year-old who is best known for merging the Canadian
military units into the Canadian Forces.
Hellyer's comments made national and international headlines for
their audacity. The timing of Hellyer's claim, however, was chosen to
coincide with the release of a film called Fastwalkers. The film,
sponsored by Exopolitics Toronto, compiles over 30 eyewitness accounts
detailing the international government conspiracy hiding actual UFO
debris. The group claims that the film features witnesses ranging from
"intelligence officials, to major airline pilots, nuclear and optical
physicists," among others. It is meant, along with Hellyer's claims, to
generate a public outcry. If correct, the Exopolitics supporters would
force major governments to reveal their UFO findings, and world problems
such as global warming could be solved.
It is possible, however, that even if there were alien crafts
currently held by world powers, they would fail to provide answers. Dr.
Michael DeRobertis, York University professor and member of the Skeptics
Canada Society for Critical Inquiry, says that he sees the challenge of
reverse engineering alien technology as far beyond current human capacity.
"Suppose we could transport ourselves back in time 40 to 50,000
years ago ( . . . ) and we dropped off our watch with our earliest
ancestors. They wouldn't have a clue what it was for. They may have some
idea that it required mechanical design, but they would not have a clue,"
he stated. "The idea that any alien race that could make it here (to
Earth), that we could make sense of (their technology), is pushing it a
great deal." Accurate or not, the urge for true alien contact remains
strong. Speculating on potential reasons for the strength of the alien
urge, DeRobertis touched a note very similar to one of the claims made in
the film Fastwalkers.
"At the same time as religious authority ( . . . ) has subsided,
we have an increase in the number of people who are still seeking these
transcendental urges ( . . . ) under the guise of science," he explained.
Fastwalkers' press release describes the film as exploring "some
of the spiritual and religious implications of the disclosure of
extraterrestrial life." The yearning for spirituality seems undeniably
interconnected with the yearning for alien contact.
Whether there have indeed been alien visitors or not, the
implications of such a visit have already begun to inspire humans to act.
For Exopolitics Toronto, the inspiration has led to pieces such as
Fastwalkers. Through the film, they hope to build their case and help
others to believe. Furthermore, the appeal of supporters such as Hellyer
is strong. The chance to add credibility to an incredible claim is
invaluable.
For the scientific community, however, the name makes little
difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming majority of
scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for extraterrestrials
visiting our planet.
http://www.excal.on.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3353...
So what is this with UFO's, trying to demonstrate some clowns will
claim anything for a media spotlight, or that some folk believe
anything put before them?
LB
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On Mar 22, 7:19 am, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Former MP talks about UFOs
Written by Logan Crowell, Staff Writer
Wednesday, 21 March 2007
Says aliens are real and that we really need to talk
According to the Ufology Research of Manitoba, there were
over
700 unidentified flying object sightings in Canada during 2005. This
was
the second highest amount ever recorded, surpassed only by the year
before. Around 92 per cent of annual sightings are either explained or
unreliable. The remaining eight per cent, however, are considered
high-quality, unexplained cases. They are the cases that have the
potential to be authentic alien sightings.
Most UFO sightings receive no media attention and even less
scientific inquiry. They lack credible, influential support. Without
it,
the believers are largely left on their own with little hope of proving
the sightings as anything alien. So when Paul Hellyer, the former
Canadian
defence minister, announced that he had seen a UFO and believed it to
be
of alien origin, there was quite a ruckus.
The revelation was made by Hellyer in 2005 while giving a
speech
at an Exopolitics conference in Toronto. Exopolitics is the study of
relations between humans and extraterrestrials, and the conference was
held to discuss this. According to one Exopolitics website
(www.exopolitics.com), most supporters of Exopolitics organizations
believe aliens have already reached Earth and the time has come to
address
the issue of communicating with them.
So Hellyer, a member of both the Pearson and Trudeau
cabinets,
called on world governments to reveal that they have, over the years,
located several alien vessels. The speech, currently available on
Google
Video, was met with thunderous applause. The nature of Hellyer's status
instantly granted the Exopolitics organization the credentials it
needed
to be taken more seriously.
Following the speech, Hellyer did little to push world
governments to follow his request until 2007. Speaking to the Ottawa
Citizen in February, Hellyer stated he believed that the alien crafts
that
are found presented solutions for the climate crisis. If governments
would
admit what they had then, Hellyer claimed the problem may be solved.
"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they
know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough
to
save our planet if applied quickly enough," Hellyer said. It was a
brave
claim for the 83-year-old who is best known for merging the Canadian
military units into the Canadian Forces.
Hellyer's comments made national and international headlines
for
their audacity. The timing of Hellyer's claim, however, was chosen to
coincide with the release of a film called Fastwalkers. The film,
sponsored by Exopolitics Toronto, compiles over 30 eyewitness accounts
detailing the international government conspiracy hiding actual UFO
debris. The group claims that the film features witnesses ranging from
"intelligence officials, to major airline pilots, nuclear and optical
physicists," among others. It is meant, along with Hellyer's claims, to
generate a public outcry. If correct, the Exopolitics supporters would
force major governments to reveal their UFO findings, and world
problems
such as global warming could be solved.
It is possible, however, that even if there were alien
crafts
currently held by world powers, they would fail to provide answers. Dr.
Michael DeRobertis, York University professor and member of the
Skeptics
Canada Society for Critical Inquiry, says that he sees the challenge of
reverse engineering alien technology as far beyond current human
capacity.
"Suppose we could transport ourselves back in time 40 to
50,000
years ago ( . . . ) and we dropped off our watch with our earliest
ancestors. They wouldn't have a clue what it was for. They may have
some
idea that it required mechanical design, but they would not have a
clue,"
he stated. "The idea that any alien race that could make it here (to
Earth), that we could make sense of (their technology), is pushing it a
great deal." Accurate or not, the urge for true alien contact remains
strong. Speculating on potential reasons for the strength of the alien
urge, DeRobertis touched a note very similar to one of the claims made
in
the film Fastwalkers.
"At the same time as religious authority ( . . . ) has
subsided,
we have an increase in the number of people who are still seeking these
transcendental urges ( . . . ) under the guise of science," he
explained.
Fastwalkers' press release describes the film as exploring
"some
of the spiritual and religious implications of the disclosure of
extraterrestrial life." The yearning for spirituality seems undeniably
interconnected with the yearning for alien contact.
Whether there have indeed been alien visitors or not, the
implications of such a visit have already begun to inspire humans to
act.
For Exopolitics Toronto, the inspiration has led to pieces such as
Fastwalkers. Through the film, they hope to build their case and help
others to believe. Furthermore, the appeal of supporters such as
Hellyer
is strong. The chance to add credibility to an incredible claim is
invaluable.
For the scientific community, however, the name makes little
difference.
"Many people would just love to be assured that we are not
alone," said DeRobertis. "That there is a purpose to the universe."
Ultimately, however, he argued that an overwhelming majority
of
scientists would say there is no compelling evidence for
extraterrestrials
visiting our planet.
http://www.excal.on.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3353...
So what is this with UFO's, trying to demonstrate some clowns will
claim anything for a media spotlight, or that some folk believe
anything put before them?
LB
I've been into ufology for well over 40 years, LB. Had my own group.
Investigated many sightings, interviewed witnesses, gathered evidence of
aerial and ground phenomena.
I've seen seven UFOs in my lifetime; 4 at night, 3 in daytime. While some
may have been conventional or natural phenomena, at least one was so
unusual as to defy any mundane explanation. It was plainly startling. Was
it a spaceship? I don't know. I wish I did.
Is the idea of a fixed future that is foreseen by some humans, and
apparently unalterable, any less fantastic than the concept that an alien
intelligence has (or is) visited (ing) Earth? Is it inconceivable that an
alien intelligence has found a way to transverse great distances from
planets our scientists speculate exist with intelligent life on them --
some scientists saying it's mathematically possible that millions of
civilizations exist in a limitless (so far as we know) universe of
planetary systems?
Or, are religious references to the Elohim and that God 'dwells in many
mansions' indicative of an alien visitiation in our past or other
intelligent beings in the universe, or that Ezekiel merely had a vision,
but not a physical visit by some non-human entities. Or that Eli was
hallucinating, and didn't travel in a vehicle?
Many, many mysteries ... and I just won't allow myself to close my mind or
narrow it down to what I feel comfortable with. I prefer to remain in a
position to accept the possibilities of utterly fantastical phenomena and
the equally fantastical theories we have about them.
It's all quite unbelievable in a mundane physical, material world for us,
I know. But many believe in Heaven and Hell, reincarnation, God, Satan,
the demons and angels, etc. There is a yearning to accept, or at least
seriously consider, that which is seemingly incredible. It seems to exist
to some degree in all of us.
Docrodile
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