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Will America have to bail 'em out again?
French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has met a group of young =
people from urban areas affected by the recent spate of rioting.=20
The meeting is part of a series of discussions geared towards launching =
an action plan for the suburbs.=20
But violence continued on Friday, with a handful of cars set on fire =
outside a court where people were appearing to face charges connected =
with the riots.=20
France has been stunned by eight nights of riots in immigrant-dominated =
areas.=20
Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said solving the problems behind the =
rioting would take time.=20
Map of main flashpoints=20
He said, quoted by AFP news agency, that there were fewer clashes with =
the police on Thursday night, although violence has spread to new areas =
and outside the French capital.=20
'We have been heard'=20
Several of the 18-25-year-olds received by Mr de Villepin, who included =
immigrants, students and the unemployed, praised the prime minister's =
initiative.=20
"We get the impression that we have been heard," Anyss, a student from =
Bondy, told AFP, adding that Mr de Villepin "was genuinely seeking to =
deal with the problems".=20
Mr de Villepin has pledged to restore order following criticism of the =
government's failure to end violence.=20
But he came under fire from a group of around 30 mayors and other =
elected officials from the affected areas, who said this was no time for =
a plan.=20
"All we need is one death and things will get out of control," said =
Jean-Christophe Lagarde, mayor of Drancy.=20
The group had gathered in the largely immigrant area of =
Seine-Saint-Denis to call for calm.=20
Hardline comments=20
Mr Sarkozy said the fact that there had been fewer direct clashes =
between youths and police did not mean the disturbances were coming to =
an end.=20
"I am aware that the resolution of these problems, which have lain =
fallow for 30 years, will take time," he said.=20
Mr Sarkozy had earlier sparked some criticism with hardline comments =
saying the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of =
hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want".=20
But a political ally of the minister, Eric Raoult, told the BBC that he =
was not responsible for the riots but was merely speaking the language =
of the streets.=20
"He speaks to the people and also to the poor people who don't want more =
riots. Because it's not the cars of rich people who burn. It's cars of =
poor people who burn," he said.=20
The areas affected are poor, largely immigrant communities with high =
levels of unemployment.=20
Cars torched=20
Arson has become a serious problem, with youths burning schools, =
warehouses and more than 500 vehicles on Thursday night.=20
Nearly 80 arrests were made in Paris.=20
Most of the attacks took place in Seine-Saint-Denis, where about 1,300 =
police had been deployed.=20
Cars were torched in the eastern city of Dijon, and sporadic unrest =
broke out in southern and western France.=20
As on previous nights, gangs of youths armed with bricks and sticks =
roamed the streets of housing estates. The situation had calmed down at =
dawn.=20
The unrest began over a week ago after teenagers Bouna Traore, aged 15, =
and Zyed Benna, 17, were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity =
sub-station in Clichy-sous-Bois.=20
Local people say they were fleeing police - a claim the authorities =
deny. Inquiries are under way.=20
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<P>The meeting is part of a series of discussions geared towards =
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elected=20
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saying=20
the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, =
think they=20
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he was=20
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the=20
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<P>"He speaks to the people and also to the poor people who don't want =
more=20
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poor=20
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<P>The areas affected are poor, largely immigrant communities with high =
levels=20
of unemployment.=20
<P><B>Cars torched</B>=20
<P>Arson has become a serious problem, with youths burning schools, =
warehouses=20
and more than 500 vehicles on Thursday night.=20
<P>Nearly 80 arrests were made in Paris.=20
<P>Most of the attacks took place in Seine-Saint-Denis, where about =
1,300 police=20
had been deployed.=20
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broke out=20
in southern and western France.=20
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roamed=20
the streets of housing estates. The situation had calmed down at dawn.=20
<P>The unrest began over a week ago after teenagers Bouna Traore, aged =
15, and=20
Zyed Benna, 17, were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity =
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order, not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order, not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's sake!
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at police
should be shot! Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of course, until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order, not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of course, until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order, not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always. Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would advocate that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?) In any event, I
reiterate: those who shoot at police should be shot. Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn areas of
France, at least not at night.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would advocate that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What about the
people that live there?!
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would advocate that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I would be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I would be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I would be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing? Don't want to admit you
were wrong?
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g. The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for
heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be
shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What
about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I would
be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
...and as the daft things you said from the beginning got knocked down one by
one and your ignorance was revealed you dropped them and moved on to new, no
doubt just as daft things. It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced to
having to bring up another thread:
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing?
See?
Don't want to admit you were wrong?
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am. I wasn't wrong in this case, you were.
You admit it yourself in the post.
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g.
The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for
heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of
crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would
advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire
at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be
shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What
about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I would
be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
..and as the daft things you said from the beginning got knocked down one
by
one and your ignorance was revealed you dropped them and moved on to new,
no
doubt just as daft things. It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced to
having to bring up another thread:
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing?
See?
Don't want to admit you were wrong?
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am.
So you admit you were wrong when you said catagorically that Muslims do not
shave their body hair?
I wasn't wrong in this case, you were.
You admit it yourself in the post.
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g.
The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for
heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to
restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of
crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would
advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a
full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire
at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be
shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the
riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What
about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I
would
be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
..and as the daft things you said from the beginning got knocked down
one
by
one and your ignorance was revealed you dropped them and moved on to
new,
no
doubt just as daft things. It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced to
having to bring up another thread:
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing?
See?
Don't want to admit you were wrong?
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am.
So you admit you were wrong when you said catagorically
Cat*E*gorically.
that Muslims do not shave their body hair?
Well, seeing as I didn't say that, I don't need to admit I was wrong for
saying it. Let me refresh your memory:
Jane: "Muslims of both sexes remove all body hair"
Me: "That is quite clearly bollocks"
Who do you think you're fooling, Jane?
I wasn't wrong in this case, you were.
You admit it yourself in the post.
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08 Nov 2005 07:15:44 AM |
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to
restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g.
The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for
heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to
restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of
crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would
advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a
full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to
fire
at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be
shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the
riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What
about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I
would
be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
..and as the daft things you said from the beginning got knocked down
one
by
one and your ignorance was revealed you dropped them and moved on to
new,
no
doubt just as daft things. It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced to
having to bring up another thread:
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing?
See?
Don't want to admit you were wrong?
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am.
So you admit you were wrong when you said catagorically
Cat*E*gorically.
You should talk about spelling mistakes ! Sheesh!
that Muslims do not shave their body hair?
Well, seeing as I didn't say that, I don't need to admit I was wrong for
saying it. Let me refresh your memory:
Jane: "Muslims of both sexes remove all body hair"
Me: "That is quite clearly bollocks"
Who do you think you're fooling, Jane?
What are you talking about now?
I wasn't wrong in this case, you were.
You admit it yourself in the post.
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08 Nov 2005 07:33:44 AM |
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to
restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about
e.g.
The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for
heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to
restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of
crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would
advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a
full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to
fire
at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should
be
shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the
riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you?
What
about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I
would
be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily,
of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
..and as the daft things you said from the beginning got knocked down
one
by
one and your ignorance was revealed you dropped them and moved on to
new,
no
doubt just as daft things. It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced
to
having to bring up another thread:
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing?
See?
Don't want to admit you were wrong?
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am.
So you admit you were wrong when you said catagorically
Cat*E*gorically.
You should talk about spelling mistakes ! Sheesh!
Don't go around pointing out other people's unless you're a 100% yourself,
dear.
that Muslims do not shave their body hair?
Well, seeing as I didn't say that, I don't need to admit I was wrong for
saying it. Let me refresh your memory:
Jane: "Muslims of both sexes remove all body hair"
Me: "That is quite clearly bollocks"
Who do you think you're fooling, Jane?
What are you talking about now?
Your lies, of course.
I wasn't wrong in this case, you were.
You admit it yourself in the post.
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No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore
order,
not
meeting with thugs!
And the hypocrisy strikes again. how do you feel about e.g.
The
Bloody
Sunday Massacre, Jane?
I did not say they go in and shoot everyone in sight, for
heaven's
sake!
In which case, what on earth does "bring out the army to restore
order"
mean? The army are traditionally only trained in one form of
crowd
control
you know.. and it involves sustained automatic fire.
Not always.
OK, occasionally they use semi-automatics too.
Martial law can also involve mass arrest without charge and
suspension of civil rights, hopefully temporarily. I would
advocate
that
for all but those who choose to fire first.
Oh, that's alright then.. just a Kristelnacht rather than a full-on
Final
Solution to the problem, eh?
Not at all. That is exactly what happened in Quebec and it was
temporary.
Maybe it says something about Europeans that they would make it a
Kristelnacht...
You make a lot of assumptions today! Those who choose to fire
at
police
should be shot!
Well, that' s EXACTLY what caused Bloody Sunday!
I thought there was some dispute as to who shot first (?)
Only afterwards, by which time it's a bit late..
In any event, I reiterate: those who shoot at police should be
shot.
Unlike Bloody Sunday,
there are not likely to be too many innocents out in the riot-torn
areas
of
France, at least not at night.
What the *****?! You really, really don't have a clue do you? What
about
the
people that live there?!
I would bet that most are hunkering down indoors at night, as I would
be.
Those on the street and possibly up to no good should be
thrown in jail without charge if necessary...Temporarily, of
course,
until
this thing plays itself out
Jane
Well dodged.
Nope. Read again. That's what I have said from the beginning.
..and as the daft things you said from the beginning got knocked down one
by
one and your ignorance was revealed you dropped them and moved on to new,
no
doubt just as daft things. It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced to
having to bring up another thread:
"It' show your operate. NOw you'r ereduced" Please explain in English.
BTW, why no response to the hair-removal thing?
See?
Don't want to admit you were wrong?
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am. I wasn't wrong in this case, you
were.
You admit it yourself in the post.
.
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08 Nov 2005 09:50:18 AM |
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tw wrote:
I happily admit I'm wrong when I am.
That's a joke!
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:53:51 AM |
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Jane wrote:
No kidding! They should be bringing out the army to restore order, not meeting with thugs!
There is no sense in making moves that cause the situation to escalate.
I understand your point, but keep your eye on the ultimate goal:
Harmony.
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