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User: "fuck you"
Date: 26 Apr 2006 09:00:20 AM
Object: Frustrations mount as land protest continues
She also said, however, that the protesters also have to understand
that residents are growing frustrated with the situation and need roads
in the area cleared for traffic so they can make a living.
LET THIS SAME THING HAPPENS ON MAY 1 WITH THE IMMIGRATION PROTESTERS IN
THE USA
"Now it's time for the natives to understand where the Caledonian
people are coming from. They have to get to work to support their
families and if they don't go to work, they don't get paid and if they
don't get paid, then they can't pay their mortgages and they lose their
homes."
GOOD. I HOPE PEOPLE IN AMERICA LOSE THEIR HOMES BECUASE SIMILIAR
SITUATIONS ON MAY 1. BECUASE AMERICANS ARE A BUNCH OF LOW DOWN FUCKING
FILTHY NASTY PIECES OF *****. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AMERICANS SUFFER
IMMENSLY, JUST LIKE SO MUCH OF THE REST OF THE WORLD LIVING IN POVERTY
DOES.
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Frustrations mount as land protest continues
TERRY WEBER AND KAREN HOWLETT
Globe and Mail Update
Frustrations are continuing to mount among residents in the southern
Ontario community near the site of an native land-claim protest, and
the divide could deepen if roads at the scene are not reopened soon,
the mayor cautioned Tuesday.
Speaking with CBC Newsworld, Haldimand County Mayor Marie Trainer said
that, despite a shocking flare-up this week, the area's residents still
support native protesters, who say they have ancestral rights to a
tract of land now being developed.
She also said, however, that the protesters also have to understand
that residents are growing frustrated with the situation and need roads
in the area cleared for traffic so they can make a living.
"Right now, they still have the public's support for their cause to
get their land claims and the treaties resolved," Ms. Trainer said.
"But if this goes on much longer, the people will then put
support."
On Monday night, a mob infuriated by the protest rushed a police line
surrounding the seven-week standoff, yelling insults at protesters and
demanding they leave the site. A line of about 100 police officers
struggled to keep the group of about 500 residents at bay.
The crowd eventually dispersed, leaving the site about midnight. The
outburst highlighted the growing rift between the two factions in the
community.
Ms. Trainer told CBC that an initial meeting earlier in the evening
intended to give residents a chance to voice their concerns had gone
"fairly well" but that, when a separate group gathered later at the
scene of the protest, things "turned nasty."
"The people of Caledonia are so frustrated, and they're trying so
hard to support and understand where the natives," Ms. Trainer said.
"Now it's time for the natives to understand where the Caledonian
people are coming from. They have to get to work to support their
families and if they don't go to work, they don't get paid and if they
don't get paid, then they can't pay their mortgages and they lose their
homes."
"They don't have a monies coming in automatically every month.
They've got to work to survive."
At the scene Tuesday morning, those comments triggered further
acrimony.
Native spokesman Clyde Powless accused Trainer of saying the occupiers
were simply waiting for their monthly cheques. During the exchange, Mr.
Powless also told the mayor she was "very irresponsible" as a
leader.
Asked by Mr. Powless how his people "have money coming in
automatically," Ms. Trainer responded: "I don't know. You have very
hard-working people."
At the provincial legislature on Tuesday, Ontario Premier Dalton
McGuinty called for cooler heads to prevail.
"I understand that there's some real frustrations felt by both sides
in the dispute, but it is unhelpful for people to try to pressure the
parties involved in order to come to a resolution," Mr. McGuinty told
reporters.
Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter said he has not directed the
police in any way following last night's incident at the site.
"They assess the situation and they do what they think is in the best
interests to maintain the peace," Mr. Kwinter said.
But, Conservative Toby Barrett, who represents the Caledonia area, says
cooler heads are not prevailing. Mr. Barrett blames the government for
the tensions, saying it hasn't kept people informed about the
negotiations.
The Six Nations protesters argue that the site was part of a large land
grant in 1784. The provincial and federal governments say the land was
surrendered in 1841 to help build a major highway.
The protesters have been occupying the occupied site of the Douglas
Creek Estates in Caledonia, Ont., about 25 kilometres south of
Hamilton, for more than seven weeks.
Last week, Ontario Provincial Police staged a pre-dawn raid on the site
in an effort to remove the protesters after a court injunction ordered
that they disperse. Tensions had been mounting earlier in the week
after talks aimed at resolving the dispute broke down.
The police effort ultimately backfired, capturing national media
attention while the natives were able to consolidate their hold on the
project.
The protesters have remained at the site since then, and blockades have
closed roads in the area. Talks between aboriginal groups and
government officials to resolve the dispute are continuing.
On Monday, the scheduled rally had begun with a plea for peace, with
Ontario Provincial Police Inspector Brian Haggeth taking the stage
appealing for patience and calm.
"These are extraordinary times," he told the crowd, according to a
statement issued by the Haldimand County OPP detachment on Tuesday.
"This situation is complex and it requires the kind of understanding
and co-operation that we have always shared as neighbours here in
Caledonia and the Six Nations and it will require negotiation to
achieve a lasting, peaceful resolution."
"I'm appealing to everyone, all the people of Caledonia and the Six
Nations, to be patient while a lasting resolution is sought."
The comments, however, were met with resistance from some.
"Get the outlaws out of there," someone from the audience yelled
out.
"Anger, fear and violence will not solve anything," he replied.
"Enforce the law," another man screamed out.
The evening rally was held only 400 metres away from the native
barricades.
With marathon weekend negotiations between police, natives and
provincial and federal officials being described as positive, OPP
Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon delivered his assurances to the
occupiers earlier Monday that they are safe from police action, at
least for the moment.
"This was an opportunity ... to reassure those who are inside that we
have no immediate plans to return," DC Pilon said after emerging from
a 45-minute meeting at the occupation site.
"I hope this was one small step in building trust."
Negotiations between the Six Nations, Ottawa and the province had been
making steady progress for two years until a "faction" of the
native community lost patience and occupied the land, said David
Ramsay, the provincial minister responsible for aboriginal affairs.
Native leaders and provincial and federal officials met for about five
hours Saturday night following a 19-hour marathon Friday in a bid to
end the seven-week standoff.
Henco Industries - which is developing a subdivision known as Douglas
Creek Estates on the contested 40 hectares - said Sunday that it is
on the verge of bankruptcy and needs a resolution soon.
.

User: "Frosty"

Title: Re: Frustrations mount as land protest continues 26 Apr 2006 09:21:32 AM

"Now it's time for the natives to understand where the Caledonian
people are coming from. They have to get to work to support their
families and if they don't go to work, they don't get paid and if they
don't get paid, then they can't pay their mortgages and they lose their
homes."

Why is it that natives always have to understand? Why can union
workers shut down complete cities. Why can others groups of people
protest and demand higher wages, taxes, and the list goes on and on?
These land claims are not something that just popped up.
.
User: "Red Cloud"

Title: Re: Frustrations mount as land protest continues 27 Apr 2006 02:39:46 AM
Great that Canada has still allow labor strike. The labor movement in
America is gone. Illegal Mexicans caused bringing down the labor
movement by providing their cheap wage, so the company ownes
love to exploit cheap Mexican labor.
.

User: "oldwifetale"

Title: Re: Frustrations mount as land protest continues 27 Apr 2006 11:55:55 AM
Frosty wrote:

"Now it's time for the natives to understand where the Caledonian
people are coming from. They have to get to work to support their
families and if they don't go to work, they don't get paid and if they
don't get paid, then they can't pay their mortgages and they lose their
homes."


Why is it that natives always have to understand? Why can union
workers shut down complete cities. Why can others groups of people
protest and demand higher wages, taxes, and the list goes on and on?
These land claims are not something that just popped up.

And on top of that, why don't the same questions ever come up in regard
to natives who ALSO need to go to work, to get paid, to support their
families, etc.? It just kills me to see people having to leave their
families to travel hundreds of miles away to live and work, like in
South Dakota - where so many have to go all the way to Rapid City.
Nobody in the mainstream seems to give a rat's patootie if everyone
back on the rez is starving or freezing to death (because you almost
NEVER see a manufacturing plant or anything of that nature nearby a rez
where the employees would be abundantly available - and apparently
canada, usa, and mexico would rather outsource jobs to India than
'outsource' them to native people right here because how could they get
away with the "cheap labor"?), but natives are supposed to "understand"
about the hardships of non-natives, and to 'compromise' and to 'make
allowances' of encroachment upon the one thing they DO HAVE - which is
their land. It's that hypocritical, unfair,
unwilling-to-put-yourself-in-someone-else's-shoes-for-one-damn-minute
attitude that i don't get at all.
Donna
.


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Title: Re: Frustrations mount as land protest continuestry the game estop the illegals from entering problem solved 27 Apr 2006 11:50:33 AM
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26 Apr 2006 07:00:20 -0700, "***** you" <bghilliotti@hotmail.com>
wrote:

She also said, however, that the protesters also have to understand
that residents are growing frustrated with the situation and need roads
in the area cleared for traffic so they can make a living.


LET THIS SAME THING HAPPENS ON MAY 1 WITH THE IMMIGRATION PROTESTERS IN
THE USA

"Now it's time for the natives to understand where the Caledonian
people are coming from. They have to get to work to support their
families and if they don't go to work, they don't get paid and if they
don't get paid, then they can't pay their mortgages and they lose their
homes."

GOOD. I HOPE PEOPLE IN AMERICA LOSE THEIR HOMES BECUASE SIMILIAR
SITUATIONS ON MAY 1. BECUASE AMERICANS ARE A BUNCH OF LOW DOWN FUCKING
FILTHY NASTY PIECES OF *****. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AMERICANS SUFFER
IMMENSLY, JUST LIKE SO MUCH OF THE REST OF THE WORLD LIVING IN POVERTY
DOES.
____
|____|____
____| |



Frustrations mount as land protest continues
TERRY WEBER AND KAREN HOWLETT

Globe and Mail Update

Frustrations are continuing to mount among residents in the southern
Ontario community near the site of an native land-claim protest, and
the divide could deepen if roads at the scene are not reopened soon,
the mayor cautioned Tuesday.

Speaking with CBC Newsworld, Haldimand County Mayor Marie Trainer said
that, despite a shocking flare-up this week, the area's residents still
support native protesters, who say they have ancestral rights to a
tract of land now being developed.

She also said, however, that the protesters also have to understand
that residents are growing frustrated with the situation and need roads
in the area cleared for traffic so they can make a living.

"Right now, they still have the public's support for their cause to
get their land claims and the treaties resolved," Ms. Trainer said.
"But if this goes on much longer, the people will then put
support."

On Monday night, a mob infuriated by the protest rushed a police line
surrounding the seven-week standoff, yelling insults at protesters and
demanding they leave the site. A line of about 100 police officers
struggled to keep the group of about 500 residents at bay.

The crowd eventually dispersed, leaving the site about midnight. The
outburst highlighted the growing rift between the two factions in the
community.

Ms. Trainer told CBC that an initial meeting earlier in the evening
intended to give residents a chance to voice their concerns had gone
"fairly well" but that, when a separate group gathered later at the
scene of the protest, things "turned nasty."

"The people of Caledonia are so frustrated, and they're trying so
hard to support and understand where the natives," Ms. Trainer said.

"Now it's time for the natives to understand where the Caledonian
people are coming from. They have to get to work to support their
families and if they don't go to work, they don't get paid and if they
don't get paid, then they can't pay their mortgages and they lose their
homes."

"They don't have a monies coming in automatically every month.
They've got to work to survive."

At the scene Tuesday morning, those comments triggered further
acrimony.

Native spokesman Clyde Powless accused Trainer of saying the occupiers
were simply waiting for their monthly cheques. During the exchange, Mr.
Powless also told the mayor she was "very irresponsible" as a
leader.

Asked by Mr. Powless how his people "have money coming in
automatically," Ms. Trainer responded: "I don't know. You have very
hard-working people."

At the provincial legislature on Tuesday, Ontario Premier Dalton
McGuinty called for cooler heads to prevail.

"I understand that there's some real frustrations felt by both sides
in the dispute, but it is unhelpful for people to try to pressure the
parties involved in order to come to a resolution," Mr. McGuinty told
reporters.

Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter said he has not directed the
police in any way following last night's incident at the site.

"They assess the situation and they do what they think is in the best
interests to maintain the peace," Mr. Kwinter said.

But, Conservative Toby Barrett, who represents the Caledonia area, says
cooler heads are not prevailing. Mr. Barrett blames the government for
the tensions, saying it hasn't kept people informed about the
negotiations.

The Six Nations protesters argue that the site was part of a large land
grant in 1784. The provincial and federal governments say the land was
surrendered in 1841 to help build a major highway.

The protesters have been occupying the occupied site of the Douglas
Creek Estates in Caledonia, Ont., about 25 kilometres south of
Hamilton, for more than seven weeks.

Last week, Ontario Provincial Police staged a pre-dawn raid on the site
in an effort to remove the protesters after a court injunction ordered
that they disperse. Tensions had been mounting earlier in the week
after talks aimed at resolving the dispute broke down.

The police effort ultimately backfired, capturing national media
attention while the natives were able to consolidate their hold on the
project.

The protesters have remained at the site since then, and blockades have
closed roads in the area. Talks between aboriginal groups and
government officials to resolve the dispute are continuing.

On Monday, the scheduled rally had begun with a plea for peace, with
Ontario Provincial Police Inspector Brian Haggeth taking the stage
appealing for patience and calm.

"These are extraordinary times," he told the crowd, according to a
statement issued by the Haldimand County OPP detachment on Tuesday.

"This situation is complex and it requires the kind of understanding
and co-operation that we have always shared as neighbours here in
Caledonia and the Six Nations and it will require negotiation to
achieve a lasting, peaceful resolution."

"I'm appealing to everyone, all the people of Caledonia and the Six
Nations, to be patient while a lasting resolution is sought."

The comments, however, were met with resistance from some.

"Get the outlaws out of there," someone from the audience yelled
out.

"Anger, fear and violence will not solve anything," he replied.

"Enforce the law," another man screamed out.

The evening rally was held only 400 metres away from the native
barricades.

With marathon weekend negotiations between police, natives and
provincial and federal officials being described as positive, OPP
Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon delivered his assurances to the
occupiers earlier Monday that they are safe from police action, at
least for the moment.

"This was an opportunity ... to reassure those who are inside that we
have no immediate plans to return," DC Pilon said after emerging from
a 45-minute meeting at the occupation site.

"I hope this was one small step in building trust."

Negotiations between the Six Nations, Ottawa and the province had been
making steady progress for two years until a "faction" of the
native community lost patience and occupied the land, said David
Ramsay, the provincial minister responsible for aboriginal affairs.

Native leaders and provincial and federal officials met for about five
hours Saturday night following a 19-hour marathon Friday in a bid to
end the seven-week standoff.

Henco Industries - which is developing a subdivision known as Douglas
Creek Estates on the contested 40 hectares - said Sunday that it is
on the verge of bankruptcy and needs a resolution soon.

.


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