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The following are the positions of both Bush & Dean on the Gay
marriage issue:
Bush says: "I agree w/a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage if
one becomes necessary"
Translation: We won't legalize it now, we'll make it so it can be legalized later.
Mr. Bush...what the hell is it going to take for you to believe
an amendment has become necessary...gays bombing the WTC???
Dean says: "I do not consider homosexuality a sin but nonetheless opposes
gay marriage."
Translation: We won't legalize it now, but we'll legalize it later.
Mr. Dean, if you don't believe "it's a sin"...then shouldn't it be made legal???
To do otherwise is oppression isn't it?
USA, is this all you have to offer in the way of leadership???
These are Christian men???
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Bush & Gay Dean! |
10 Jan 2004 02:40:35 PM |
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"Wyle Coyote" <d@d.a> wrote in message
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The following are the positions of both Bush & Dean on the Gay
marriage issue:
Bush says: "I agree w/a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage
if
one becomes necessary"
Translation: We won't legalize it now, we'll make it so it can be
legalized later.
Mr. Bush...what the hell is it going to take for you to believe
an amendment has become necessary...gays bombing the WTC???
Dean says: "I do not consider homosexuality a sin but nonetheless opposes
gay marriage."
Translation: We won't legalize it now, but we'll legalize it later.
Mr. Dean, if you don't believe "it's a sin"...then shouldn't it be made
legal???
To do otherwise is oppression isn't it?
USA, is this all you have to offer in the way of leadership???
These are Christian men???
This is precisely why religion has no place in the halls of the capitol or
the courthouse.
"Take it outside, God Boy"
Superintendent Chalmers to Principal Ned Flanders
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| User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Bush & Gay Dean! |
10 Jan 2004 02:37:02 PM |
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I'm a gay leader, a pope and a saint for -> 'The
First Church of Southern Psychedelic Christian Pagans'.
If and when Bush and Dean want to marry each
other -- they certainly have my blessings.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Le 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. |
11 Jan 2004 07:59:09 AM |
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Wyle Coyote wrote:
These are Christian men???
Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Amelia M. Samples" |
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| Title: Re: Le 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. |
11 Jan 2004 10:21:34 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
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Wyle Coyote wrote:
These are Christian men???
Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Amelia 1:1
Thou shalt not invoke ancient writings to justify modern laws, it is an
abomination.
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| User: "Emi M Briet" |
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11 Jan 2004 12:57:41 PM |
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In article <iKeMb.11167$LW.9646@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
"Amelia M. Samples" <milla@georgebush.visi.com> wrote:
Amelia 1:1
Thou shalt not invoke ancient writings to justify modern laws, it is an
abomination.
I see you've met ol' Bleatwrong.... ;)
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| User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville" |
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11 Jan 2004 04:03:59 PM |
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WOW that sure got my nipples hard!
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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| User: "HP Opus" |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<4001565E.3E6@For-God.net>...
Wyle Coyote wrote:
These are Christian men???
Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: [You] no-good fucking sonovabitch. (1)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We're gonna take this thing [the evangelicals] over...
(2)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ***** [is what my father and I talk about]. (3)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Go to hell... (4)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I feel like God wants me to run for President. I
can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me.
Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my
family, but God wants me to do it." (5)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: There's Adam Clymer -- major league ***** -- from
the New York Times... (6)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: People communicate with God and reach God in different
ways. ...And I am mindful of what Billy Graham one time told me, for
me not to try to figure out...who gets to go to heaven. ...And when I
told you I'm a sinner -- you need to take that in the figurative
sense. (7)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society, so secret
I can't say anything more. (8)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ...four Gentile governors - one Methodist, two
Catholics, and a Mormon, and several Jewish-American friends...prayed
together, on bended knee...around an altar kneeling, one common Lord.
Faith changes lives. I know, because faith has changed mine. (9)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ["Did I have any qualms, say, about joining an elite
secret club like Skull and Bones at Yale University?"] No qualms at
all. I was honored. ...["How do I demystify it a bit for those who
might think it's a cross between a Masonic Lodge and the Trilateral
Commission?"] Without revealing all the great secrets? ...Someone a
year ahead of me tapped me. There was an entry celebration. I can't
remember whether my dad showed up or not. (10)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Throughout the world, people of all religions
recognize Jesus Christ as an example of love, compassion, sacrifice
and service. Reaching out to the poor, the suffering and the
marginalized, he provided moral leadership that continues to inspire
countless men, women and children today. (11)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: All Presidents of the United States have come to the
National Prayer Breakfast, regardless of their religious views. No
matter what our background, in prayer we share something universal --
a desire to speak and listen to our Maker, and to know His plan for
our lives. ...Men and women can be good without faith, but faith is a
force of goodness. Men and women can be compassionate without faith,
but faith often inspires compassion. Human beings can love without
faith, but faith is a great teacher of love. ...Faith is also
important to the civility of our country. It teaches us not merely to
tolerate one another, but to respect one another -- to show a regard
for different views and the courtesy to listen. This is essential to
democracy. It is also the proper way to treat human beings created
in the divine image. We'll have our disagreements. Civility does not
require us to abandon deeply-held beliefs. Civility does not demand
casual creeds and colorless convictions. Americans have always
believed that civility and firm resolve could live easily with one
another. But civility does mean that our public debate ought to be
free from bitterness and anger, rancor and ill-will. We have an
obligation to make our case, not to demonize our opponents. As the
Book of James reminds us, fresh water and salt water cannot flow from
the same spring. (12)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take
a while... [But] we will rid the world of the evil-doers. (13)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I have told the nation more than once that...the
teachings of Islam are the teachings of peace and good. ...And I also
appreciate the prayers to the universal God. (14)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I appreciate your [the Russians'] understanding there
is a universal and gracious God. (15)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ...universal God...is important -- obviously,
important part of my life, but very important part of the life of our
country. (16)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: As more and more people go to their churches and
synagogues and mosques and hear that universal call to love a
neighbor, America's culture is changing. ...Out of the evil done to
this great land is going to come incredible good... (17)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Islam is...a faith based upon love, not hate.
....Americans of all faiths will come together in a spirit of unity...
Everybody ought to worship the Almighty, however they choose. (18)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I am pleased to join you today in the celebration of
Eid, the culmination of the Holy Month of Ramadan. ...Islam traces
its origins back to God's call on Abraham. And Ramadan commemorates
the revelation of God's word in the Holy Koran to the prophet
Mohammad... The spirit behind this holiday is a reminder that...Islam
affirms God's justice... Eid Mubarak. God bless. (19)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely
to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home. (20)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: F___ Saddam. We're taking him out. (21)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: America welcomes individuals of all backgrounds and
religions, and our citizens hold diverse beliefs. In prayer, we share
the universal desire to speak and listen to our Maker and to seek the
plans He has for our lives. ...In this hour of history's calling,
Americans are bowing humbly in churches, synagogues, temples, mosques,
and in their own homes, in the presence of the Almighty. ...Now,
therefore, I, George W. Bush, President of the United States of
America, do hereby proclaim May 1, 2003, as a National Day of Prayer.
I ask the citizens of our Nation to pray, each after his or her own
faith, in thanksgiving for the freedoms and blessings we have received
and for God's continued guidance and protection. (22)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We are mindful as well that some good men and women
are not making the journey home. ...Every name, every life is a loss
to our military, to our nation and to the loved ones who grieve.
There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray in God's time
their reunion will come. (23)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them,
and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did,
and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If
you [Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas] help me I will act, and
if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them. (24)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Islam's a peaceful religion. The basic tenets of
Islam is peace and respect and tolerance. (25)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Ramadan...provides Muslims a time to...practice God's
commands. ...Islam is a peaceful religion... (26)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Ramadan...this holy time..is...a good time for people
of all faiths to reflect on...[our] gratitude to God... I
particularl
want to thank Imam Faizul Khan, who will lead us in
prayer. ...Islam is a religion that brings hope and comfort to good
people across America and around the world. Tonight we honor...the
tradition of Islam by hosting this Iftaar at the White House. (27)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
GEORGE W. BUSH: [To the remark, "Some people who share your beliefs
don't believe that Muslims worship the same Almighty."] I do say
that...I believe we worship the same God. (28)
JOHN P. BOATWRIGHT: Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
S O U R C E S
(1) George W. Bush in April 1986, addressing Al Hunt of the Wall
Street Journal, quoted in Jake Tapper, "God Is Their CoPilot: Both
Born-Again, Bush and Gore Have Made This the Most God-Fearing
Presidential Race in 100 Years. But Their Faiths Have Led these Men in
Two Completely Different Directions," SALON, 07 July 2000,
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/07/07/born_again/.
(2) George W. Bush in March 1987 quoted by Doug Wead, cited in Hanna
Rosin, "Applying Personal Faith to Public Policy: 'Changed Man'
Advocates Church-Based Programs," WASHINGTON POST, 24 July 2000,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A31740-2000Jul23¬Found=true.
"[George W. Bush's] father, then running for president, was under
attack by what inside the campaign they called 'the aliens' --
evangelical Republicans flocking to the candidacy of Pat Robertson.
Bush arrived in Washington in March 1987 and was put in charge of
'coalitions,' the campaign code word for evangelicals. 'He came in
and said, "We're gonna take this thing over,"' recalls Doug Wead, a
campaign aide with ties to the evangelicals and Bush's partner in the
venture."
(3) George W. Bush in response to a Hartford [Connecticut] Courant
reporter who asked what Bush and his father talked about when they
weren't discussing politics at the 1988 Republican convention, quoted
in Jake Tapper, op. cit.
(4) Texas Governor George W. Bush in 1998, right before leaving for a
trip to Israel, in response to an Austin American-Statesman reporter
who asked Bush what he would say to the Israelis upon arrival, quoted
in Jake Tapper, op. cit.
(5) Texas Governor George W. Bush, speaking to James Robinson in the
election year 2000, quoted in Stephen Mansfield, THE FAITH OF GEORGE
W. BUSH, Tarcher/Penguin, November 2003.
(6) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in Jake Tapper, "A 'Major
League *****': In an Embarrassing Gaffe, George W. Bush Insults a
New York Times Reporter," SALON, 04 September 2000,
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/09/04/cuss_word/.
(7) Texas Governor George W. Bush, "George W. Bush: Running on His
Faith," US NEWS ONLINE, 1999,
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/33/story_3345_1.html.
(8) Texas Governor George W. Bush, A CHARGE TO KEEP, ed. Mickey
Herskowitz, Morrow,William & Co., November 1999.
(9) Ibid.
(10) Texas Governor George W. Bush interviewed in Walter Isaacson, "My
Heritage Is Part of Who I Am," TIME, 30 July 2000,
http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/textframe_bushinterview1.html
and http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/textframe_bushinterview2.html.
(11) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in Laurie Goodstein,
"Bush's 'Jesus Day' Is Called a First Amendment Violation," NEW YORK
TIMES, 06 August 2000, http://www.beth-am.org/index2.cfm?page=362.
(12) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President at
National Prayer Breakfast, Washington Hilton Hotel, Washington. D.C.,"
Office of the Press Secretary, 01 February 2001,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/02/20010201.html.
(13) US President George W. Bush quoted in John F. Harris, "Bush Gets
More International Support For U.S. Campaign Against Terrorism:
Officials Warn New Attacks Are Possible," WASHINGTON POST, 17
September 2001, page A01,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41157/2001Sep16.html.
(14) US President George W. Bush, "Text: Bush Welcomes Muslim
Americans to White House," 26 September 2001,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcripts/bushtext2_092601.html.
(15) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President to
Community and Religious Leaders, Spaso House, Moscow, Russia," Office
of the Press Secretary, 24 May 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020524-12.html.
(16) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush, President Putin
Discuss Joint Efforts against Terrorism: Remarks by President Bush and
Russian President Putin in Photo Opportunity - Calgary, Kananaskis,
Canada," Office of the Press Secretary, 27 June 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020627-3.html.
(17) US President George W. Bush, "President Talks Homeland/Economic
Security at Mt. Rushmore: Remarks by the President on Homeland
Security and the Budget," Mount Rushmore, South Dakota, Office of the
Press Secretary, 15 August 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020815.html.
(18) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush Holds Roundtable
with Arab- and Muslim-American Leaders, Embassy at Afghanistan,
Washington, D.C.," Office of the Press Secretary, 10 September 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020910-7.html.
(19) US President George W. Bush, "President Commemorates Eid al-Fitr:
Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr, The Islamic Center of
Washington, D.C., Washington, D.C.," Office of the Press Secretary, 05
December 2002, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021205-5.html.
(20) US President George W. Bush, "President Addresses Nation on Space
Shuttle Columbia Tragedy: Remarks by the President on the Loss of
Space Shuttle Columbia, The Cabinet Room, 01 February 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030201-2.html.
(21) US President George W. Bush at the White House in March 2002,
quoted in Michael Elliott and James Carney, "First Stop, Iraq: How Did
the U.S. End up Taking on Saddam? The Inside Story of How Iraq Jumped
to the Top of Bush's Agenda -- and Why the Outcome There May
Foreshadow a Different World Order," TIME, 23 March 2003,
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030331/wroad.html.
(22) US President George W. Bush, "National Day of Prayer, 2003, by
the President of the United States of America: A Proclamation," Office
of the Press Secretary, 30 April 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-22.html.
(23) US President George W. Bush, "Full Text: Bush Speech Aboard the
USS Abraham Lincoln," 01 May 2003,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2627-2003May1.html.
(24) US President George W. Bush, quoted by Palestinian Prime Minister
Mahmoud Abbas, in Arnon Regular, "'Road Map Is a Life Saver for Us,'
PM Abbas Tells Hamas," HAARETZ, 25 June 2003,
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y.
Also cf. Chris Floyd, "Errand Boy," MOSCOW TIMES, 27 June 2003,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/06/27/120.html.
(25) US President George W. Bush, "Roundtable Interview of the
President by the Press Pool, Aboard Air Force One, En Route Canberra,
Australia," Office of the Press Secretary, 22 October 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-7.html.
(26) US President George W. Bush, "President's Ramadan Message,"
Office of the Press Secretary, 24 October 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031024-10.html.
(27) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President at Iftaar
with Ambassadors and Muslim Leaders, State Floor," Office of the Press
Secretary, 28 October 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031028-9.html.
(28) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush, Prime Minister Hold
Joint Press Conference, Foreign and Commonwealth Offices, London,
England," Office of the Press Secretary, 20 November 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/20031120-3.html; also
"Text of Bush, Blair Remarks: A Text of President Bush's and British
Prime Minister Tony Blair's Remarks Thursday at the Foreign and
Commonwealth Offices in London, As provided by the White House,"
ASSOCIATED PRESS, 20 November 2003,
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-bush-blair-text,0,5763089.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines.
One with you in Christ,
HP Opus
http://fellow-servants-of-christ.0catch.com
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:4001565E.3E6@For-God.net...
Wyle Coyote wrote:
These are Christian men???
Bush said he believes Jesus, yes.
The bible teaches "you'll know them by their fruits".
Does the position Bush has taken sound "Christian based" to you?
Supporting an amendment banning gay marriage isn't really
a difficult choice if you are choosing with a Christian like
mentality! It's cut and dry! NO! Duh!
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