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User: "jha_amin"
Date: 21 Apr 2004 08:12:01 PM
Object: God's work
the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10267
God Made Me Do It
Robert Dreyfuss is a freelance writer based in Alexandria, Virginia,
who specializes in politics and national security issues. He is
currently working on a book about America's policy toward political
Islam over the past 30 years.
Is ***** Cheney God? If you read the Gospel According to Woodward, it's
clear that the president seems to think so.
A few months ago, I wrote a profile of the Rev. Tim LaHaye for Rolling
Stone. LaHaye is the author of Left Behind, the best-selling series of
books on the End of the World, a hyped-up version of alleged Biblical
prophecies that predict that Jesus Christ will return to earth after a
climactic battle between God and Satan at Armageddon. Satan, of
course, happens to set up his headquarters in Babylon, just south of
where Baghdad is today. LaHaye is a highly influential organizer of
the Christian right—he founded the Moral Majority and the secretive
Council on National Policy—and he helped elect Bush by swinging
skeptical Christian-right leaders behind him in 2000. LaHaye and his
fundamentalist flock often equated Saddam with the
Antichrist—literally, not figuratively. In Rolling Stone, I speculated
that LaHaye's weird beliefs might have influenced the president, a
born-again Christian whose decision to go war in Iraq seems to have
been directed as much at Satan as against Saddam.
Maybe I was right.
Yesterday in The Washington Post and on 60 Minutes, Bob Woodward
presented a terrifying picture of a president obsessed. Bush demonized
Saddam, creating a Manichean world in which America was a God-inspired
nation combating the Beelzebub-led hell of Iraq. It's not clear
whether Bush believed—like LaHaye—in the necessity of a climactic
struggle with Satan's legions from Babylon, but the president's
crusade had all the same fervor.
Apparently he talked to the wrong father. Reports Woodward and 60
Minutes:
Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? "I asked the president
about this. And President Bush said, 'Well no,' and then he got
defensive about it," says Woodward. "And then he said something that
really struck me. He said of his father, 'He is the wrong father to
appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms
of strength.' And then he said, 'There's a higher father that I appeal
to.'"
Perhaps Bush believes that he has a pipeline to God, that he can ask
God for advice about which wars to launch. By all accounts, however,
his real father—the earthly one, not the imaginary one in the sky—was
against the war. Or, perhaps Bush mixed up God and ***** Cheney.
Woodward makes it startlingly clear that Cheney was the driving force
behind the Iraq misadventure. But for Bush, war in Iraq wasn't
Cheney's will, it was God's:
Going into this period, I was praying for strength to do the
Lord's will. I'm surely not going to justify the war based on God. . .
Nevertheless, in my case I pray that I be as good a messenger of His
will as possible. And then of course I pray for personal strength and
forgiveness.
Says Woodward, succinctly, of Bush: "He's not an intellectual." He's
not. But Woodward makes clear that Bush is perfectly capable of
disguising his godly work from people who disagree, such as Colin
Powell, who wasn't told of the decision to go to war even after war
planning was well underway:
And there's this low boil on Iraq until the day before
Thanksgiving, Nov. 21, 2001. This is 72 days after 9/11. This is part
of this secret history. President Bush, after a National Security
Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and
takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says,
"What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of
the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret."
There's lots more in the book. It ought to be required reading for
anyone planning to cast a vote in November. With at least 11 more
Americans killed this weekend, with well over a thousand Iraqis killed
since April 1, with U.S. troops poised for massive assaults on Najaf
and Fallujah, with Iraq's Governing Clowncil crumbling fast, with
civil war looming in Iraq,, and with the growing possibility that the
crisis in Iraq could spill over into Iran and Syria, too, Americans
are asking: How did we stuck in this mess? Woodward has answered that
question better than anyone else so far.
.

User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: God's work 22 Apr 2004 11:56:42 PM
"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com...

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!


http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10267

God Made Me Do It

Robert Dreyfuss is a freelance writer based in Alexandria, Virginia,
who specializes in politics and national security issues. He is
currently working on a book about America's policy toward political
Islam over the past 30 years.

Is ***** Cheney God? If you read the Gospel According to Woodward, it's
clear that the president seems to think so.

A few months ago, I wrote a profile of the Rev. Tim LaHaye for Rolling
Stone. LaHaye is the author of Left Behind, the best-selling series of
books on the End of the World, a hyped-up version of alleged Biblical
prophecies that predict that Jesus Christ will return to earth after a
climactic battle between God and Satan at Armageddon. Satan, of
course, happens to set up his headquarters in Babylon, just south of
where Baghdad is today. LaHaye is a highly influential organizer of
the Christian right-he founded the Moral Majority and the secretive
Council on National Policy-and he helped elect Bush by swinging
skeptical Christian-right leaders behind him in 2000. LaHaye and his
fundamentalist flock often equated Saddam with the
Antichrist-literally, not figuratively. In Rolling Stone, I speculated
that LaHaye's weird beliefs might have influenced the president, a
born-again Christian whose decision to go war in Iraq seems to have
been directed as much at Satan as against Saddam.

Maybe I was right.

Yesterday in The Washington Post and on 60 Minutes, Bob Woodward
presented a terrifying picture of a president obsessed. Bush demonized
Saddam, creating a Manichean world in which America was a God-inspired
nation combating the Beelzebub-led hell of Iraq. It's not clear
whether Bush believed-like LaHaye-in the necessity of a climactic
struggle with Satan's legions from Babylon, but the president's
crusade had all the same fervor.

Apparently he talked to the wrong father. Reports Woodward and 60
Minutes:

Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? "I asked the president
about this. And President Bush said, 'Well no,' and then he got
defensive about it," says Woodward. "And then he said something that
really struck me. He said of his father, 'He is the wrong father to
appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms
of strength.' And then he said, 'There's a higher father that I appeal
to.'"

Perhaps Bush believes that he has a pipeline to God, that he can ask
God for advice about which wars to launch. By all accounts, however,
his real father-the earthly one, not the imaginary one in the sky-was
against the war. Or, perhaps Bush mixed up God and ***** Cheney.
Woodward makes it startlingly clear that Cheney was the driving force
behind the Iraq misadventure. But for Bush, war in Iraq wasn't
Cheney's will, it was God's:

Going into this period, I was praying for strength to do the
Lord's will. I'm surely not going to justify the war based on God. . .
Nevertheless, in my case I pray that I be as good a messenger of His
will as possible. And then of course I pray for personal strength and
forgiveness.

Says Woodward, succinctly, of Bush: "He's not an intellectual." He's
not. But Woodward makes clear that Bush is perfectly capable of
disguising his godly work from people who disagree, such as Colin
Powell, who wasn't told of the decision to go to war even after war
planning was well underway:

And there's this low boil on Iraq until the day before
Thanksgiving, Nov. 21, 2001. This is 72 days after 9/11. This is part
of this secret history. President Bush, after a National Security
Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and
takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says,
"What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of
the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret."

There's lots more in the book. It ought to be required reading for
anyone planning to cast a vote in November. With at least 11 more
Americans killed this weekend, with well over a thousand Iraqis killed
since April 1, with U.S. troops poised for massive assaults on Najaf
and Fallujah, with Iraq's Governing Clowncil crumbling fast, with
civil war looming in Iraq,, and with the growing possibility that the
crisis in Iraq could spill over into Iran and Syria, too, Americans
are asking: How did we stuck in this mess? Woodward has answered that
question better than anyone else so far.

I found the book very comforting. I agree with Bush's vision 100%. I'm finding it difficult to find
people who support Kerry. I'm beginning to wonder where these people live.
~dw
.
User: "Anon Ymous"

Title: Re: God's work 23 Apr 2004 12:27:13 PM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:<6c1c0$4088a20e$40762811$27582@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>...

"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com...

<snipped lots of anti-Bush crap

Apparently he talked to the wrong father. Reports Woodward and 60
Minutes:

Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? "I asked the president
about this. And President Bush said, 'Well no,' and then he got
defensive about it," says Woodward. "And then he said something that
really struck me. He said of his father, 'He is the wrong father to
appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms
of strength.' And then he said, 'There's a higher father that I appeal
to.'"

Hmmm, I seem to remember that a report that said Bush did consult his
father who flat out told him not to invade without the support of the
U.N. I'll see if I can find the posts that mentioned the report.

I found the book very comforting. I agree with Bush's vision 100%. I'm finding it difficult to find
people who support Kerry. I'm beginning to wonder where these people live.

I havent read the book, and dont plan to read it any time soon. After
reading the excerpts above, Im sure its full of more of the same
baseless rhetorical attacks on the President's religion. I prefer to
look at more signigicant issues, like the motivations for war in Iraq
and corporate corruption when suggesting that voters select anyone but
Bush in Nov.
S~
.
User: "jha_amin"

Title: Re: God's work 23 Apr 2004 06:09:21 PM
(Anon Ymous) wrote in message news:<5c2e70b2.0404230927.4514514b@posting.google.com>...

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:<6c1c0$4088a20e$40762811$27582@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>...

"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com...

<snipped lots of anti-Bush crap

Apparently he talked to the wrong father. Reports Woodward and 60
Minutes:

Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? "I asked the president
about this. And President Bush said, 'Well no,' and then he got
defensive about it," says Woodward. "And then he said something that
really struck me. He said of his father, 'He is the wrong father to
appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms
of strength.' And then he said, 'There's a higher father that I appeal
to.'"


Hmmm, I seem to remember that a report that said Bush did consult his
father who flat out told him not to invade without the support of the
U.N. I'll see if I can find the posts that mentioned the report.

I found the book very comforting. I agree with Bush's vision 100%. I'm finding it difficult to find
people who support Kerry. I'm beginning to wonder where these people live.


I havent read the book, and dont plan to read it any time soon. After
reading the excerpts above, Im sure its full of more of the same
baseless rhetorical attacks on the President's religion. I prefer to
look at more signigicant issues, like the motivations for war in Iraq
and corporate corruption when suggesting that voters select anyone but
Bush in Nov.

S~

I understand the bush campagin hq is promoting the book. Maybe they
did not read it that well. ;)
.



User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: God's work 22 Apr 2004 07:57:43 PM
In article <33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com>,
(jha_amin) wrote:

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!

Yup.
Also very interesting that people can pick up on how scary it is when, say, a
Muslim leader says he's doing the will of Allah, but think it's just peachy when
their own Christian leader does the same darned thing.
Woods
.
User: "tw"

Title: Re: God's work 23 Apr 2004 04:18:01 AM
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:bSZhc.113279$e17.78898@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

In article <33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com>,

jha_amin@yahoo.com (jha_amin) wrote:

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!


Yup.

Also very interesting that people can pick up on how scary it is when,

say, a

Muslim leader says he's doing the will of Allah, but think it's just

peachy when

their own Christian leader does the same darned thing.

As I believe they say on your side of the Atlantic, Fuckin' A.
"A pox on both their houses", as the bard once said.
.

User: "jha_amin"

Title: Re: God's work 24 Apr 2004 07:36:09 AM
(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<bSZhc.113279$e17.78898@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com>,

(jha_amin) wrote:

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!


Yup.

Also very interesting that people can pick up on how scary it is when, say, a
Muslim leader says he's doing the will of Allah, but think it's just peachy when
their own Christian leader does the same darned thing.

Woods

Looks like jay lenno's writers read your posts,Woods. ;)
'From NBC's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" via Reuters:'
'"On '60 Minutes' last Sunday night, Bob Woodward suggested the main
reason President Bush took the country to war was that he thinks he's
on a mission from God; but the problem with that is that's also Osama
bin Laden's reason."'
.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: God's work 24 Apr 2004 11:18:04 PM
(jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0404240436.758212c1@posting.google.com>...

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message news:<bSZhc.113279$e17.78898@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com>,

(jha_amin) wrote:

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!


Yup.

Also very interesting that people can pick up on how scary it is when, say, a
Muslim leader says he's doing the will of Allah, but think it's just peachy when
their own Christian leader does the same darned thing.

Woods


Looks like jay lenno's writers read your posts,Woods. ;)

'From NBC's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" via Reuters:'

'"On '60 Minutes' last Sunday night, Bob Woodward suggested the main
reason President Bush took the country to war was that he thinks he's
on a mission from God; but the problem with that is that's also Osama
bin Laden's reason."'

Yeah, one guy liberated 25 million people, closed down torture
chambers and rape rooms and built new schools and hospitals -- while
the other guy has his people terrorizing those 25 million people in
the hopes of enslaving them once again. And the message you're
promoting is that the two guys are somehow morally equivalent?
.


User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: God's work 23 Apr 2004 11:34:25 PM
(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<bSZhc.113279$e17.78898@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com>,

(jha_amin) wrote:

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!


Yup.

Also very interesting that people can pick up on how scary it is when, say, a
Muslim leader says he's doing the will of Allah, but think it's just peachy when
their own Christian leader does the same darned thing.

I wonder how you'd feel if some Peachy President ever spoke words like
these in an Inaugural Address?
[quoting from a speech] "For I have sworn before you and Almighty God
the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and
three-quarters ago."

"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought
are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man
come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God."
    
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any
friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of
liberty."
     
"To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we
pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have
passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall
not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall
always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom--and to
remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding
the back of the tiger ended up inside."
"With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final
judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking
His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work
must truly be our own." [end quotes -- each paragraph is an individual
excerpt]
The entire Inaugural Address of January 20, 1961 is here:
http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j012061.htm
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: God's work 24 Apr 2004 05:44:02 AM
In article <a2b35e99.0404232034.7d7f4e43@posting.google.com>,
(Steven Douglas) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<bSZhc.113279$e17.78898@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <33b7880.0404211712.7657be8e@posting.google.com>,

jha_amin@yahoo.com (jha_amin) wrote:

the bob woodward interviews do not present bush in an unfavorable way,
but if you read between the lines it is damn scary. damn scary!


Yup.

Also very interesting that people can pick up on how scary it is when, say, a


Muslim leader says he's doing the will of Allah, but think it's just peachy

when

their own Christian leader does the same darned thing.


I wonder how you'd feel if some Peachy President ever spoke words like
these in an Inaugural Address?

[quoting from a speech] "For I have sworn before you and Almighty God
the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and
three-quarters ago."

"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought
are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man
come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God."
    
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any
friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of
liberty."
     
"To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we
pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have
passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall
not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall
always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom--and to
remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding
the back of the tiger ended up inside."

"With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final
judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking
His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work
must truly be our own." [end quotes -- each paragraph is an individual
excerpt]

The entire Inaugural Address of January 20, 1961 is here:
http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j012061.htm

Yeah, JFK was another scary president.
Woods
.




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