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User: "TonyZ2001"
Date: 05 Jun 2004 07:10:09 AM
Object: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know

This is good news that "hasn't been fit" to print or report on TV. It is much
easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough decisions,
rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1, 2003:

a) the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active
duty.

b) over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens

c) nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

d) the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

e) on Monday 6 Oct, power generation hit 4,518 megawatts = exceeding the prewar
average.

f) all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as
are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

g) by 1 Oct, Coalition forces had rehab'ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than
scheduled.

h) teachers earn 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

i) all 240 hospitals and more than 1,200 clinics are open.

j) doctors salaries are at least 8x what they were under Saddam.

k) pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700 tons in May, to a current total of 12,000 tons.

l) the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to Iraq 's
children.

m) a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 km of Iraq's 27,000 km of
weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project
has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

n) we have restored over 75% of prewar telephone services and over
67% of the potable water production.

o) there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000 by year-end.

p) the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to
cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.

q) 95% of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are
opening accounts daily.

r) Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

s) the central bank is fully independent.

t) Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking
laws.

u) Iraq has a single, unified currency for the 1st X in 15 years.

v) satellite TV dishes are legal.

w) foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate
fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government spies.

x) there is no Ministry of Information.

y) there are more than 170 newspapers.

z) you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

aa) foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

ab) a nation that had not one single element-legislative, judicial or
executive-of a representative government, now does.

ac) in Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad 's
first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council
elected its new chairman.

ad) today in Iraq , chambers of commerce, business, school and professional
organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

ae) 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq 's
history, run the day-to-day business of government.

af) the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since
July, the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international
meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the
World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of
Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over
30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

ag) Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

ah) for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate
the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

ai) the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and
small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq .

aj) Uday and Qusay are dead ; and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo
lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation,
torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

ak) children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the
government.

al) political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are
forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

am) millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

an) Saudis will hold municipal elections.

ao) Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

ap) Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

aq) the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian - a
Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and
for peace.

ar) Saddam is gone.

as) Iraq is free.

at) President Bush has not faltered or failed.

au) Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press
corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important.

It took the US over 4 months to clear away the twin tower debris, and
substantially longer to even decide what to put up in it's place, let alone
attempt to start building something else...

Now, take into account that almost every Democrat leader in the House and
Senate has fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this
country's war and the post-war reconstruction, and that they continue to claim
on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our brothers
and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could have
accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in so
short a period of time...?

These are things worth writing about. Get the word out.

Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.

God bless you all. Semper Fidelis, LtCol Scot S. SeitzGreenville,SC
.

User: "ex"

Title: Re: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know 05 Jun 2004 08:05:49 AM
Good stuff indeed.
But where are the WMD's?
He is a 'War President' and this was somehow supposed to help with the 'War
Against Terror' ( TWAT ). Remember? And it's costing a lot of money, or did
you forget this part?
This isn't the 'War Against Tyranny', which is the current spin most of the
NeoCons are trying to put forth. America didn't give a rat's ***** about
Iraqi's under Saddam during Desert Storm when they could've easily
slaughtered his Republican Guard in the open desert as they retreated back
to Baghdad. Instead they sat on their hands while Saddam took his revenge
against the Kurds.
I'm not saying your points should be disregarded. But they have absolutely
nothing to do with the justification for the invasion of Iraq.
-ex
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040605081009.16492.00000490@mb-m10.aol.com...


This is good news that "hasn't been fit" to print or report on TV. It is

much

easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough

decisions,

rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1, 2003:

a) the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on

active

duty.

b) over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens

c) nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

d) the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

e) on Monday 6 Oct, power generation hit 4,518 megawatts = exceeding the

prewar

average.

f) all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open,

as

are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

g) by 1 Oct, Coalition forces had rehab'ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more

than

scheduled.

h) teachers earn 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

i) all 240 hospitals and more than 1,200 clinics are open.

j) doctors salaries are at least 8x what they were under Saddam.

k) pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700 tons in May, to a current total of 12,000 tons.

l) the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to

Iraq 's

children.

m) a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 km of Iraq's 27,000 km of
weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This

project

has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

n) we have restored over 75% of prewar telephone services and over
67% of the potable water production.

o) there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000 by year-end.

p) the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes

to

cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and

towns.


q) 95% of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers

are

opening accounts daily.

r) Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

s) the central bank is fully independent.

t) Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking
laws.

u) Iraq has a single, unified currency for the 1st X in 15 years.

v) satellite TV dishes are legal.

w) foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and

extortionate

fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government

spies.


x) there is no Ministry of Information.

y) there are more than 170 newspapers.

z) you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

aa) foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

ab) a nation that had not one single element-legislative, judicial or
executive-of a representative government, now does.

ac) in Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils.

Baghdad 's

first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city

council

elected its new chairman.

ad) today in Iraq , chambers of commerce, business, school and

professional

organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

ae) 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in

Iraq 's

history, run the day-to-day business of government.

af) the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.

Since

July, the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen

international

meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the
World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry

of

Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over
30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

ag) Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

ah) for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites

celebrate

the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

ai) the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large

and

small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq .

aj) Uday and Qusay are dead ; and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the

zoo

lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation,
torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

ak) children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree

with the

government.

al) political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or

are

forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

am) millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

an) Saudis will hold municipal elections.

ao) Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

ap) Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

aq) the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian - a
Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy

and

for peace.

ar) Saddam is gone.

as) Iraq is free.

at) President Bush has not faltered or failed.

au) Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the

Press

corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important.

It took the US over 4 months to clear away the twin tower debris, and
substantially longer to even decide what to put up in it's place, let

alone

attempt to start building something else...

Now, take into account that almost every Democrat leader in the House and
Senate has fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this
country's war and the post-war reconstruction, and that they continue to

claim

on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our

brothers

and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could

have

accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in

so

short a period of time...?

These are things worth writing about. Get the word out.

Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.

God bless you all. Semper Fidelis, LtCol Scot S. SeitzGreenville,SC

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User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know 05 Jun 2004 11:23:58 PM
"ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote in message news:Oyjwc.49759$Hn.1400733@news20.bellglobal.com...

Good stuff indeed.

But where are the WMD's?

Who fucking cares? Saddam is gone and recent signs in Iraq have the people asserting themselves
against the main terrorist in the country. Now go rub ashes in your hair.
Bush in "04 by a LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!


He is a 'War President' and this was somehow supposed to help with the 'War
Against Terror' ( TWAT ). Remember? And it's costing a lot of money, or did
you forget this part?

This isn't the 'War Against Tyranny', which is the current spin most of the
NeoCons are trying to put forth. America didn't give a rat's ***** about
Iraqi's under Saddam during Desert Storm when they could've easily
slaughtered his Republican Guard in the open desert as they retreated back
to Baghdad. Instead they sat on their hands while Saddam took his revenge
against the Kurds.

I'm not saying your points should be disregarded. But they have absolutely
nothing to do with the justification for the invasion of Iraq.

-ex


"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040605081009.16492.00000490@mb-m10.aol.com...


This is good news that "hasn't been fit" to print or report on TV. It is

much

easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough

decisions,

rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1, 2003:

a) the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on

active

duty.

b) over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens

c) nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

d) the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

e) on Monday 6 Oct, power generation hit 4,518 megawatts = exceeding the

prewar

average.

f) all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open,

as

are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

g) by 1 Oct, Coalition forces had rehab'ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more

than

scheduled.

h) teachers earn 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

i) all 240 hospitals and more than 1,200 clinics are open.

j) doctors salaries are at least 8x what they were under Saddam.

k) pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700 tons in May, to a current total of 12,000 tons.

l) the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to

Iraq 's

children.

m) a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 km of Iraq's 27,000 km of
weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This

project

has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

n) we have restored over 75% of prewar telephone services and over
67% of the potable water production.

o) there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000 by year-end.

p) the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes

to

cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and

towns.


q) 95% of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers

are

opening accounts daily.

r) Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

s) the central bank is fully independent.

t) Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking
laws.

u) Iraq has a single, unified currency for the 1st X in 15 years.

v) satellite TV dishes are legal.

w) foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and

extortionate

fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government

spies.


x) there is no Ministry of Information.

y) there are more than 170 newspapers.

z) you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

aa) foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

ab) a nation that had not one single element-legislative, judicial or
executive-of a representative government, now does.

ac) in Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils.

Baghdad 's

first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city

council

elected its new chairman.

ad) today in Iraq , chambers of commerce, business, school and

professional

organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

ae) 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in

Iraq 's

history, run the day-to-day business of government.

af) the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.

Since

July, the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen

international

meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the
World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry

of

Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over
30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

ag) Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

ah) for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites

celebrate

the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

ai) the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large

and

small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq .

aj) Uday and Qusay are dead ; and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the

zoo

lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation,
torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

ak) children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree

with the

government.

al) political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or

are

forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

am) millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

an) Saudis will hold municipal elections.

ao) Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

ap) Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

aq) the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian - a
Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy

and

for peace.

ar) Saddam is gone.

as) Iraq is free.

at) President Bush has not faltered or failed.

au) Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the

Press

corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important.

It took the US over 4 months to clear away the twin tower debris, and
substantially longer to even decide what to put up in it's place, let

alone

attempt to start building something else...

Now, take into account that almost every Democrat leader in the House and
Senate has fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this
country's war and the post-war reconstruction, and that they continue to

claim

on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our

brothers

and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could

have

accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in

so

short a period of time...?

These are things worth writing about. Get the word out.

Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.

God bless you all. Semper Fidelis, LtCol Scot S. SeitzGreenville,SC



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User: "Big Fat Baz"

Title: Re: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know 05 Jun 2004 09:41:03 AM
There were never any W M D's But public opinion would have been to great to
sort Iraq out without a good excuse so the W M D issue was a big con. The US
is looking after it's oil supplies for the future but I think Iraq is
benefiting from this war and will now go from strength to strength. The
Iraq people have suffered greatly under Saddam and during the war but I
think in several years most Iraqis will agree that what the US and it's
allies did was a good thing. All that needs to be done now is sort out the
few extremists that are spoiling it, they will never win, all they will do
is prolong any suffering.
"ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote in message
news:Oyjwc.49759$Hn.1400733@news20.bellglobal.com...

Good stuff indeed.

But where are the WMD's?

He is a 'War President' and this was somehow supposed to help with the

'War

Against Terror' ( TWAT ). Remember? And it's costing a lot of money, or

did

you forget this part?

This isn't the 'War Against Tyranny', which is the current spin most of

the

NeoCons are trying to put forth. America didn't give a rat's ***** about
Iraqi's under Saddam during Desert Storm when they could've easily
slaughtered his Republican Guard in the open desert as they retreated back
to Baghdad. Instead they sat on their hands while Saddam took his revenge
against the Kurds.

I'm not saying your points should be disregarded. But they have absolutely
nothing to do with the justification for the invasion of Iraq.

-ex


"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040605081009.16492.00000490@mb-m10.aol.com...


This is good news that "hasn't been fit" to print or report on TV. It is

much

easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough

decisions,

rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1, 2003:

a) the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on

active

duty.

b) over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens

c) nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

d) the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

e) on Monday 6 Oct, power generation hit 4,518 megawatts = exceeding the

prewar

average.

f) all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are

open,

as

are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

g) by 1 Oct, Coalition forces had rehab'ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more

than

scheduled.

h) teachers earn 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

i) all 240 hospitals and more than 1,200 clinics are open.

j) doctors salaries are at least 8x what they were under Saddam.

k) pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700 tons in May, to a current total of 12,000 tons.

l) the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to

Iraq 's

children.

m) a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 km of Iraq's 27,000 km of
weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This

project

has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

n) we have restored over 75% of prewar telephone services and over
67% of the potable water production.

o) there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000 by year-end.

p) the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes

to

cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and

towns.


q) 95% of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time

customers

are

opening accounts daily.

r) Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

s) the central bank is fully independent.

t) Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and

banking

laws.

u) Iraq has a single, unified currency for the 1st X in 15 years.

v) satellite TV dishes are legal.

w) foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and

extortionate

fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government

spies.


x) there is no Ministry of Information.

y) there are more than 170 newspapers.

z) you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

aa) foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

ab) a nation that had not one single element-legislative, judicial or
executive-of a representative government, now does.

ac) in Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils.

Baghdad 's

first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city

council

elected its new chairman.

ad) today in Iraq , chambers of commerce, business, school and

professional

organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

ae) 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in

Iraq 's

history, run the day-to-day business of government.

af) the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.

Since

July, the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen

international

meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League,

the

World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The

Ministry

of

Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over
30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

ag) Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

ah) for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites

celebrate

the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

ai) the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects,

large

and

small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq .

aj) Uday and Qusay are dead ; and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to

the

zoo

lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation,
torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

ak) children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree

with the

government.

al) political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed,

or

are

forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

am) millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

an) Saudis will hold municipal elections.

ao) Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

ap) Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

aq) the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -

a

Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy

and

for peace.

ar) Saddam is gone.

as) Iraq is free.

at) President Bush has not faltered or failed.

au) Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the

Press

corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important.

It took the US over 4 months to clear away the twin tower debris, and
substantially longer to even decide what to put up in it's place, let

alone

attempt to start building something else...

Now, take into account that almost every Democrat leader in the House

and

Senate has fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this
country's war and the post-war reconstruction, and that they continue to

claim

on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our

brothers

and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world

could

have

accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in

so

short a period of time...?

These are things worth writing about. Get the word out.

Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.

God bless you all. Semper Fidelis, LtCol Scot S. SeitzGreenville,SC



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User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know 05 Jun 2004 10:39:37 PM
"Big Fat Baz" <johncon2@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

There were never any W M D's But public opinion would have been to
great to sort Iraq out without a good excuse so the W M D issue was a
big con. The US is looking after it's oil supplies for the future but
I think Iraq is benefiting from this war and will now go from strength
to strength. The Iraq people have suffered greatly under Saddam and
during the war but I think in several years most Iraqis will agree
that what the US and it's allies did was a good thing. All that needs
to be done now is sort out the few extremists that are spoiling it,
they will never win, all they will do is prolong any suffering.

Yeah, we see a roadside bomb here, a suicide car-bomb there.
This can't be the work of more than one or two small groups of
the 'bad guys' (probably foreign militants) located somewhere
near Baghdad.
We've come this far, I hope this all works out. I think we should
set a deadline to the new gov't for their complete assumption of
security duties. I get the impression it's like open season on
American Soldiers there. Our troops move quickly through their
security patrols, and they're just moving targets. It's a
terrible situation.
I hope the new Iraqi leaders don't get assassinated. I believe
most Iraqis are happy this is happening, but all it takes is
one crazy who's a halfway good shot, and there are a lot of
Kalishnikovs and Rpg's in Iraq.
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know 05 Jun 2004 11:31:46 PM
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"Big Fat Baz" <johncon2@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

There were never any W M D's But public opinion would have been to
great to sort Iraq out without a good excuse so the W M D issue was a
big con. The US is looking after it's oil supplies for the future but
I think Iraq is benefiting from this war and will now go from strength
to strength. The Iraq people have suffered greatly under Saddam and
during the war but I think in several years most Iraqis will agree
that what the US and it's allies did was a good thing. All that needs
to be done now is sort out the few extremists that are spoiling it,
they will never win, all they will do is prolong any suffering.


Yeah, we see a roadside bomb here, a suicide car-bomb there.
This can't be the work of more than one or two small groups of
the 'bad guys' (probably foreign militants) located somewhere
near Baghdad.

We've come this far, I hope this all works out. I think we should
set a deadline to the new gov't for their complete assumption of
security duties. I get the impression it's like open season on
American Soldiers there. Our troops move quickly through their
security patrols, and they're just moving targets. It's a
terrible situation.

I hope the new Iraqi leaders don't get assassinated. I believe
most Iraqis are happy this is happening, but all it takes is
one crazy who's a halfway good shot, and there are a lot of
Kalishnikovs and Rpg's in Iraq.


Patience, Robert. This thing is going to work out. Some very interesting and encouraging signs have
come about in the last week. The new Iraqi president is a man to trust. He also has the support of
the majority. Most here in this newsgroup WANT George Bush to fail in Iraq. They take a sick
pleasure in seeing the GI death toll. But in reality the fate of Iraqis is with themselves. Did you
see the president of Iraq voice his support of the US staying the course? Even the ambassador to the
UN said the same. I find it an excellent sign that the Iraqis have a president to talk with them in
the media.
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User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: Good News the Media doesn't want you to know 06 Jun 2004 01:56:38 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> Spat the Words


"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Big Fat Baz" <johncon2@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

There were never any W M D's But public opinion would have been to
great to sort Iraq out without a good excuse so the W M D issue was
a big con. The US is looking after it's oil supplies for the future
but I think Iraq is benefiting from this war and will now go from
strength to strength. The Iraq people have suffered greatly under
Saddam and during the war but I think in several years most Iraqis
will agree that what the US and it's allies did was a good thing.
All that needs to be done now is sort out the few extremists that
are spoiling it, they will never win, all they will do is prolong
any suffering.


Yeah, we see a roadside bomb here, a suicide car-bomb there.
This can't be the work of more than one or two small groups of
the 'bad guys' (probably foreign militants) located somewhere
near Baghdad.

We've come this far, I hope this all works out. I think we should
set a deadline to the new gov't for their complete assumption of
security duties. I get the impression it's like open season on
American Soldiers there. Our troops move quickly through their
security patrols, and they're just moving targets. It's a
terrible situation.

I hope the new Iraqi leaders don't get assassinated. I believe
most Iraqis are happy this is happening, but all it takes is
one crazy who's a halfway good shot, and there are a lot of
Kalishnikovs and Rpg's in Iraq.



Patience, Robert. This thing is going to work out. Some very
interesting and encouraging signs have come about in the last week.
The new Iraqi president is a man to trust.

I've heard the new President is mostly a figure-head without
any real power. The real power rests with the Prime Minister
who is a shiite, some other guy who's name I can't think of at
the moment. I'm sure this won't make the sunnis happy. It's
going to be difficult to keep these different groups from
going at each other.

He also has the support of
the majority. Most here in this newsgroup WANT George Bush to fail in
Iraq. They take a sick pleasure in seeing the GI death toll.

Nobody here but a few psychopaths wants to see US GI's killed.

But in
reality the fate of Iraqis is with themselves. Did you see the
president of Iraq voice his support of the US staying the course?

This was my point. The Iraqi President voicing his support for the
US staying is the very thing that could get him killed by some of
the hard-liners in Iraq who distrust the US. At the same time, if
we leave too soon then there's sure to be an overthrow of the new
gov't.
It's the very presence of the US there which lends illigetimacy
to the new Iraqi gov't in the eyes of the common Iraqi, yet if
we leave too soon then the resulting power vacuum would almost
certainly result in a despot (like al-sadr) seizing power (if not
an immediate civil war which undoubtedly would draw in countries
like Iran and Syria). It's a catch-22 situation and it's why I've
said I think we're in a no-win situation there. The only winning
scenario is to stay there indefinitely with large numbers of US
troops. We may as well make Iraq the 51st state of the Union.
As you can see, this is a crazy situation. No other sane leader
is willing to send troops there to help stabilize things, and
it makes me think Bush has gone a little bit crazy. He'll continue
asking for 'more time, more time', and 'more troops, more troops',
very similar to what you said to me 'be patient', and the body
count will continue to climb. I think it was Bush's complete
inexperience in geo-politics which got us into this mess. In
Korea and Viet-Name we were responding to SEATO, in WWII basically
everybody was involved, but in this situation Bush unilaterally
put us into an invasion and occupation of Iraq with few or no
allies by our side. Like I said before, I hope it all works out
but I tend to be a realist. At some point we may find it prudent
to just pick up and leave, and let political events take their
own course there.

Even
the ambassador to the UN said the same. I find it an excellent sign
that the Iraqis have a president to talk with them in the media.



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