She sent bush a letter yesterday to follow up the one from the 28th
She asks for everything she believes she needs now, and reiterates
that she had made a previous request:
Based on our initial assessment, I have previously requested
significant federal support to include: an additional 40,000 troops;
trailers of water, ice and food; commercial buses; base camps; staging
areas; amphibious personnel carriers; deployable morgues; urban search
and rescue teams; airlift; temporary housing; and communications
systems. Even if these initial requests had been fully honored, these
assets would not be sufficient to address our critical, immediate
needs. Additional assistance requirements for the federal government
are outlined below. As we continue to assess our needs, I will ensure
you receive our updated requirements.
And the way she closes, leave him NO opportunity to evade his total
responsibility:
Mr. President, only your personal involvement will ensure the
immediate delivery of federal assets needed to save lives that are in
jeopardy hour by hour. I know you will take the actions necessary to
make this happen. As the recovery efforts continue, I will provide you
a reassessment of needs. Again, thank you for your support of the
citizens of Louisiana.
Sincerely,
Kathleen Babineaux Blanco
Governor
State of Louisiana
http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=4900
.
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
04 Sep 2005 03:09:33 PM |
|
|
wrote:
She sent bush a letter yesterday to follow up the one from the 28th
She asks for everything she believes she needs now, and reiterates
that she had made a previous request:
Based on our initial assessment, I have previously requested
significant federal support to include: an additional 40,000 troops;
trailers of water, ice and food; commercial buses; base camps; staging
areas; amphibious personnel carriers; deployable morgues; urban search
and rescue teams; airlift; temporary housing; and communications
systems. Even if these initial requests had been fully honored, these
assets would not be sufficient to address our critical, immediate
needs. Additional assistance requirements for the federal government
are outlined below. As we continue to assess our needs, I will ensure
you receive our updated requirements.
And the way she closes, leave him NO opportunity to evade his total
responsibility:
Of course at this stage it is his responsibility, because this human
tragedy was allowed to happen due to negligence on the part of local
officials BEFORE the hurricane struck.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Woodswun" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
04 Sep 2005 03:45:52 PM |
|
|
Steven Douglas wrote:
Zak@DaarkSyde.ca wrote:
She sent bush a letter yesterday to follow up the one from the 28th
She asks for everything she believes she needs now, and reiterates
that she had made a previous request:
Based on our initial assessment, I have previously requested
significant federal support to include: an additional 40,000 troops;
trailers of water, ice and food; commercial buses; base camps; staging
areas; amphibious personnel carriers; deployable morgues; urban search
and rescue teams; airlift; temporary housing; and communications
systems. Even if these initial requests had been fully honored, these
assets would not be sufficient to address our critical, immediate
needs. Additional assistance requirements for the federal government
are outlined below. As we continue to assess our needs, I will ensure
you receive our updated requirements.
And the way she closes, leave him NO opportunity to evade his total
responsibility:
Of course at this stage it is his responsibility, because this human
tragedy was allowed to happen due to negligence on the part of local
officials BEFORE the hurricane struck.
No, evidently that's all falsehoods spread by Bush apologists. The
locals ordered an evacuation, the mayor provided transportation to
evacuees, the locals called in the national guard. Find all that info
in other threads.
But, you should know that the number of Bush apologists are dwindling
fast. Witness the turnaround in opinion of locals who are seeing for
themselves that the Bush administration is really like.
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076771
Woods
.
|
|
|
| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
04 Sep 2005 04:59:25 PM |
|
|
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
scribed:
No, evidently that's all falsehoods spread by Bush apologists. The
locals ordered an evacuation, the mayor provided transportation to
evacuees, the locals called in the national guard.
*****!
WHY did so many of the people who didn't evacuate say
"We had NO WAY to leave"?
The LOCAL authorities are the ones who are primarily
responsible for disaster planning.
There was NO mandatory evacuation ordered by the Mayor
OR Governor!
And the Feds ALSO had a LOT of Mississippi and parts
of Alabama to worry about. But you DON'T see the
Governors and Mayors and Senators of THOSE States
whining, SO you??
I agree with Hastert; NUKE New Orleans, we don't NEED it!
--
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
04 Sep 2005 10:01:02 PM |
|
|
Never anonymous Bud wrote:
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com>
scribed:
No, evidently that's all falsehoods spread by Bush apologists. The
locals ordered an evacuation, the mayor provided transportation to
evacuees, the locals called in the national guard.
*****!
WHY did so many of the people who didn't evacuate say
"We had NO WAY to leave"?
While all these school buses (and more), which could have taken
thousands of additional people out of New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane
struck, went unused.
News Photo:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
The LOCAL authorities are the ones who are primarily
responsible for disaster planning.
The Louisiana disaster plan calls for using school buses to evacuate
people without transportation, and all those school buses went unused.
There was NO mandatory evacuation ordered by the Mayor
OR Governor!
Actually, the president called the governor and urged her to order a
mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, something that had never been done
before. She stood beside the mayor when he gave the order, and said the
president had called to urge the mandatory evacuation. Imagine how many
more thousands of lives would have been lost if the president had not
made that call.
And the Feds ALSO had a LOT of Mississippi and parts
of Alabama to worry about. But you DON'T see the
Governors and Mayors and Senators of THOSE States
whining, SO you??
Excellent point.
I agree with Hastert; NUKE New Orleans, we don't NEED it!
I don't think a city should exist that is below sea level and is prone
to flooding, especially when a killer hurricane blows through. I
especially feel that way if such a city is unable or unwilling to
evacuate the thousands of its people. The existence of a new city in
that spot, with an emergency plan that would once again allow thousands
of its people to be left behind to weather a killer storm, would have
to be unacceptable.
There is a part of Hawaii that was once a nice little town on the
water's edge that was overrun by a tsunami in the 1940's. The little
town is long gone, and a nice sprawling park exists there today.
.
|
|
|
| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?07/SIEh1bnRlciB0aGUgZ3J1bnRlciDTv9I=?=" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
08 Sep 2005 02:45:19 AM |
|
|
Don da fourgit da
maeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 12:01:01 AM |
|
|
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> scribed:
No, evidently that's all falsehoods spread by Bush apologists. The
locals ordered an evacuation, the mayor provided transportation to
evacuees, the locals called in the national guard.
*****!
WHY did so many of the people who didn't evacuate say
"We had NO WAY to leave"?
While all these school buses (and more), which could have taken
thousands of additional people out of New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane
struck, went unused.
EXACTLY!
And that is NOT FEMA, the President, OR any Federal agencys fault.
It's SOLELY on the State and local authorities.
--
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
.
|
|
|
| User: " John F Lemke" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 04:09:44 AM |
|
|
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:b5knh1126n5hngfat3dumm64v37396cfs0@4ax.com...
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> scribed:
No, evidently that's all falsehoods spread by Bush apologists. The
locals ordered an evacuation, the mayor provided transportation to
evacuees, the locals called in the national guard.
*****!
WHY did so many of the people who didn't evacuate say
"We had NO WAY to leave"?
While all these school buses (and more), which could have taken
thousands of additional people out of New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane
struck, went unused.
EXACTLY!
And that is NOT FEMA, the President, OR any Federal agencys fault.
It's SOLELY on the State and local authorities.
Well, I'm glad you guys got the overriding school bus issue settled. Now
you can work on the weak Federal response issue. One bite at a time, eh?
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr. Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best help.
One basic problem last week was communication and establishing jurisdiction
among various government agencies while the drama was unfolding. It appears
these two gentleman worked out basic liaison problems, a fundamental aspect
of any disaster planning, long after it was needed.
The Feds could have used Katrina as dress rehearsal for a major terror
attack. Let's hope they work out their inadequacies in other areas after
the fact as well.
Let's also hope that the Bush Administration's admitted inadequacies don't
also extend to preventing terror attacks.
Do you think most Americans had their faith in their Federal government
bolstered last week? I rather doubt it.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 09:09:32 AM |
|
|
John F Lemke wrote:
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:b5knh1126n5hngfat3dumm64v37396cfs0@4ax.com...
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> scribed:
No, evidently that's all falsehoods spread by Bush apologists. The
locals ordered an evacuation, the mayor provided transportation to
evacuees, the locals called in the national guard.
*****!
WHY did so many of the people who didn't evacuate say
"We had NO WAY to leave"?
While all these school buses (and more), which could have taken
thousands of additional people out of New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane
struck, went unused.
EXACTLY!
And that is NOT FEMA, the President, OR any Federal agencys fault.
It's SOLELY on the State and local authorities.
Well, I'm glad you guys got the overriding school bus issue settled. Now
you can work on the weak Federal response issue. One bite at a time, eh?
I have acknowledged repeatedly that there is blame to go around at ALL
levels of government -- Fed, State, and local. Some people want to
ignore the State and local responsibilities in this case, and focus ALL
blame on the federal government. I wonder why? Politics? OF COURSE!
The federal government deserves its share of blame for this mess, but
so do State and local officials. And anyone who can't agree with that
is a cold, calculating political opportunist of extreme proportions,
whose overriding political purpose is to insure Bush gets ALL possible
blame. We don't have anyone like that posting here, do we?
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr. Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job. The same
job Mayor Giuliani did after 9/11, which is coordinate rescue
operations on his home turf.
One basic problem last week was communication and establishing jurisdiction
among various government agencies while the drama was unfolding. It appears
these two gentleman worked out basic liaison problems, a fundamental aspect
of any disaster planning, long after it was needed.
Yes, the governor and mayor failed to follow their State's disaster
plan BEFORE the hurricane struck. Why should we have expected them to
follow it AFTER the hurricane struck? It took a call from the the
president to get the governor and mayor to issue the unprecedented
mandatory evacuation of New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane, and it took
the president's presence to get the mayor to do his job AFTER the
hurricane.
The Feds could have used Katrina as dress rehearsal for a major terror
attack. Let's hope they work out their inadequacies in other areas after
the fact as well.
Yes, there are certainly issues that need to be addressed. One of them
will be how to handle situations involving weak local officials.
Let's also hope that the Bush Administration's admitted inadequacies don't
also extend to preventing terror attacks.
Have we had a domestic terror attack since 9/11?
Do you think most Americans had their faith in their Federal government
bolstered last week? I rather doubt it.
You know, the head of FEMA may not be the best man for the job. But I
notice he has handled four hurricanes before this one, and I don't
recall everyone making an issue of his qualifications. I don't recall
everyone being critical of the federal government after those four
hurricanes. I don't recall local officials in those cases who were
unable or unwilling to carry out THEIR responsibilities. Only in
Louisiana, for some reason, has the FEDERAL government been blamed (by
political opportunits) for the WHOLE problem in Louisiana.
.
|
|
|
| User: " John F Lemke" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 05:38:15 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125929372.787991.130940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr. Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds
didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job.
No, Steven, in the report on "60 Minutes" last night the mayor was saying
the President admitted to the weakness of the Federal response.
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a greasy
little spin doctor. I think everyone else on apn will come to the same
decision.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 10:16:36 AM |
|
|
John F Lemke wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125929372.787991.130940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr. Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds
didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job.
No, Steven, in the report on "60 Minutes" last night the mayor was saying
the President admitted to the weakness of the Federal response.
Hey, I admit to the weakness of the Federal response. Sheesh, what part
of that didn't you understand in my response? And OF COURSE the mayor
is going to focus on what happened AFTER the hurricane, and hope to
avoid the inevitiable criticism of his actions (or lack thereof) BEFORE
the hurricane.
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor, and you're a fringle leftist
socialist kook.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda, I don't really care what everyone on apn
thinks. I'll continue to post relevant facts, such as anyone who can't
agree there is blame to go around at ALL levels of government has a
political agenda that hopes to blame Bush for everything that ever
happens. Do you agree there is blame to go around, or is it ALL Bush's
fault?
.
|
|
|
| User: " John F Lemke" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 10:14:55 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor,
Good, and you'll understand that after 5 years of Bushspin most of us are
very tired of greasy little spin doctors. I think the debacle in New
Orleans will be the last straw, also.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html?incamp=article_popular_5
and you're a fringle leftist
socialist kook.
I'm a self-employed conscientous capitalist, actually. Hopefully I'm just
as concerned with the wellbeing of others as I am with my own well-being.
I'm not willing to see others subjegated to a tyranny that helps to preserve
and protect my cushy lifestyle. It's a basic Christian concept.
Okay, I'm a kook.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda, I don't really care what everyone on apn
thinks. I'll continue to post relevant facts, such as anyone who can't
agree there is blame to go around at ALL levels of government has a
political agenda that hopes to blame Bush for everything that ever
happens. Do you agree there is blame to go around, or is it ALL Bush's
fault?
Yes, Steven, I think everyone that has shown the level of incompetence the
Bush Administration has shown, from invasions, to missing WMD's, to
post-invasion incompetence, to obvious incompetence in response to
hurricanes, to downright lying should be removed from office.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 11:39:34 PM |
|
|
John F Lemke wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor,
Good, and you'll understand that after 5 years of Bushspin most of us are
very tired of greasy little spin doctors.
Who is "most" of us? Because if you're referring to "most" of the
posters to this group, I really don't care if you are very tired of
hearing a point of view that differs from your fringe leftist political
point of view.
I think the debacle in New Orleans will be the last straw, also.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html?incamp=article_popular_5
Okay, this (along with your remark concerning a few comments after the
BBC opinion article posted by WH) tells me you believe the majority of
US citizens agree with your leftist point of view. Did you read the
actual Washington Post/ABC News Poll I posted in this thread? An actual
poll disagrees with your opinion. This is not spin, John, this is a
fact:
66.7 PERCENT: Say that the federal government should have been
better-prepared to deal with a storm of this size.
75 PERCENT: Say that state and local governments should have been
better prepared.
Source: Washington Post, ABC
And isn't it odd that what you're trying to do with your remarks IS the
spin -- trying to spin your viewpoint as actually representing the
majority of Americans. David Brooks column starts with Rudy Giuliani's
handing of 9/11, and remarks about leaving the poor of New Orleans
behind, which was the mayor of New Orleans responsibility.
In the two numbers I posted above, I am personally in BOTH of those
numbers. Apparently you and Woods are in just one. Now which of us has
the more extreme point of view, as compared to MOST United States
citizens?
and you're a fringle leftist socialist kook.
I'm a self-employed conscientous capitalist, actually.
Okay, since you saw fit to qualify my description of you, allow me to
qualify your description of me. I'm neither greasy nor little. I'm
healthy, physically fit, and most of my opinions (which you think of as
spin) are closer to majority US opinion than are yours.
Hopefully I'm just as concerned with the wellbeing of others as I
am with my own well-being.
I appreciate that. You might be surprised if you actually knew me in
real life, because I care deeply about the suffering of others. That's
why I'm so upset that the poor people of New Orleans were left behind
(as David Brooks pointed out), while less disadvantaged people were
able to get out. And you glossed right over the school bus issue as if
it's not important. Well, I expect that issue to be brought to the
forefront when the Katrina Commission gets underway. How could all
those people have been left behind when all those school buses were
available, and went unused?
I'm not willing to see others subjegated to a tyranny that helps to preserve
and protect my cushy lifestyle. It's a basic Christian concept.
So what are you doing about it, other than posting on APN? I know a lot
of people are upset about some jobs formerly done in the US that have
been moved overseas, but I think in the grand scheme of things that
will be a good thing. It will help bring a new prosperity to people in
some parts of the world that haven't known much prosperity. And people
here will learn new jobs, the economy will grow ... new markets will
develop overseas for products made here, because people with new jobs
overseas will have money to spend.
Okay, I'm a kook.
Okay, we all have opinions. I rarely (if ever) start a thread here. But
if someone posts a half truth, and I respond with the other half (such
as the responsibility of State and local governments before and after
hurricanes), that does not make my completion of the truth spin.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Really? Would you censor me if you had the ability? Because I wouldn't
censor you. I would defend your right to post your opinions, even while
I might disagree with some of your opinions.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda, I don't really care what everyone on apn
thinks. I'll continue to post relevant facts, such as anyone who can't
agree there is blame to go around at ALL levels of government has a
political agenda that hopes to blame Bush for everything that ever
happens. Do you agree there is blame to go around, or is it ALL Bush's
fault?
Yes, Steven, I think everyone that has shown the level of incompetence the
Bush Administration has shown, from invasions,
With overwhelming Congressional approval.
to missing WMD's,
US and allied intelligence agencies believed they were there. Bill
Clinton believed they were there. John Kerry believed they were there.
Should John Kerry be removed from his office for voting in favor of the
invasion?
to post-invasion incompetence,
I'm not particularly happy with post-invasion missteps, but I blame
military leaders for that. I don't think it is the president's job to
micromanage generals. Just as we shouldn't blame FDR for the missteps
during D-Day, which cost many needless deaths. Was that the president's
fault? Or the Battle of the Bulge, which probably should have been
anticipated, but wasn't. And thousands upon thousands of troops died in
that battle. Was that the president's fault?
to obvious incompetence in response to hurricanes,
Hurricanes? Plural? The current head of FEMA has handled four previous
hurricanes, and I don't recall you calling for Bush to be removed from
office on that basis any of those four hurricanes. Are you doing an
after the fact reevaluation of the handling of those hurricanes?
to downright lying should be removed from office.
And you base this on which statute(s)?
Downright lying? Was this alleged lying done while the president was
under oath? Would that be an offense requiring the removal of the
president from office?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 11:59:22 PM |
|
|
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> scribed:
Good, and you'll understand that after 5 years of Bushspin most of us are
very tired of greasy little spin doctors.
Who is "most" of us?
And why not mention Clinton-Spin.
And Nixon-Spin?
And even CARTER-Spin??
--
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
.
|
|
|
| User: " John F Lemke" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
06 Sep 2005 02:17:47 AM |
|
|
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:5g8qh19suss47vskffs958lgapus00b2j7@4ax.com...
Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> scribed:
Good, and you'll understand that after 5 years of Bushspin most of us
are
very tired of greasy little spin doctors.
Who is "most" of us?
And why not mention Clinton-Spin.
And Nixon-Spin?
And even CARTER-Spin??
There ya go!!!!!!!!!!!
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "tw" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 10:25:51 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd love to
hear..
I don't really care what everyone on apn thinks.
I'll continue to post relevant facts, such as anyone who can't
agree there is blame to go around at ALL levels of government has a
political agenda that hopes to blame Bush for everything that ever
happens. Do you agree there is blame to go around, or is it ALL Bush's
fault?
Oh, plenty of blame to go around certainly - especially talking about
pre-disaster. Post-disater is a slightluy different story, even lifelong
Republicans seem to be saying Federal Governemnt screwed up there. The
running-down of FEMA post 9/11 is a long term issue as well.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 10:49:29 AM |
|
|
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd love to
hear..
The "fringe leftist" agenda is to blame Bush for anything and
everything they possible can.
I don't really care what everyone on apn thinks.
I'll continue to post relevant facts, such as anyone who can't
agree there is blame to go around at ALL levels of government has a
political agenda that hopes to blame Bush for everything that ever
happens. Do you agree there is blame to go around, or is it ALL Bush's
fault?
Oh, plenty of blame to go around certainly - especially talking about
pre-disaster. Post-disater is a slightluy different story, even lifelong
Republicans seem to be saying Federal Governemnt screwed up there.
Yes, I have not defended the Federal Government's response as much as I
have criticized the State and local governments for their failures
BEFORE the hurricane, which would have lessened the crisis for the
Feds, who also have Mississippi and Alabama to look after as well. Only
Louisiana has this major crisis, due to poor local leadership BEFORE
the hurricane struck.
The running-down of FEMA post 9/11 is a long term issue as well.
Yes, but the current head of FEMA handled four previous hurrianes with
no problems, because local leaders in those cases did their jobs before
AND after those hurricanes.
And if you look at this Washington Post/ABC News Poll, it shows most
Americans are not fringe leftists like Woods and Lemke. The poll shows
a mixed response to the federal response, but an ovewhelming criticism
of the State and local response. See below for the numbers:
U.S. REACTION BY THE NUMBERS
[quoting] In the latest Washington Post/ABC News Poll, Americans are
equally split over President Bush and the government's initial response
to Hurricane Katrina. They are, however, overwhelmingly suspicious of
oil companies. A total of 501 randomly selected adults were interviewed
Friday night after Bush visited the Gulf Coast. The margin of sampling
error is plus or minus four percentage points.
46 PERCENT: Say they approve of how President Bush has responded to the
storm.
47 PERCENT: Say they disapprove of how President Bush has responded to
the storm.
48 PERCENT: Rate the federal effort as excellent or good.
51 PERCENT: Rate the federal effort as not so good or poor.
68 PERCENT: Percentage of Democrats rating the government's performance
as not so good or poor.
66 PERCENT: Percentage of Republicans saying that the government's
performance has been excellent or good.
66.7 PERCENT: Say that the federal government should have been
better-prepared to deal with a storm of this size.
75 PERCENT: Say that state and local governments should have been
better prepared.
72 PERCENT: Say oil companies and gas suppliers have taken advantage of
the storm emergency by raising gasoline prices, which spiked overnight
last week to $3 per gallon or more in many areas. Eight in 10 fault the
federal government's response to surging gas prices.
49 PERCENT: Say New Orleans should be rebuilt, but with a stronger
levee system to hold back storm water.
43 PERCENT: Say low-lying areas of New Orleans should be abandoned.
Source: Washington Post, ABC
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/nation/12559619.htm?source=rss&channel=mercurynews_nation
.
|
|
|
| User: "tw" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
06 Sep 2005 02:34:11 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125935369.928300.46600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd love to
hear..
The "fringe leftist" agenda is to blame Bush for anything and
everything they possible can.
LOL! And what is "leftist" about that? YOu really do like to throw these
labels around without having a clue what they mean, don't you?
Oh, plenty of blame to go around certainly - especially talking about
pre-disaster. Post-disater is a slightluy different story, even lifelong
Republicans seem to be saying Federal Governemnt screwed up there.
Yes, I have not defended the Federal Government's response as much as I
have criticized the State and local governments for their failures
BEFORE the hurricane, which would have lessened the crisis for the
Feds, who also have Mississippi and Alabama to look after as well. Only
Louisiana has this major crisis, due to poor local leadership BEFORE
the hurricane struck.
Agreed.
The running-down of FEMA post 9/11 is a long term issue as well.
Yes, but the current head of FEMA handled four previous hurrianes with
no problems, because local leaders in those cases did their jobs before
AND after those hurricanes.
How many of those hurricanes were pre-9/11, as a matter of interest?
And if you look at this Washington Post/ABC News Poll, it shows most
Americans are not fringe leftists like Woods and Lemke. The poll shows
a mixed response to the federal response, but an ovewhelming criticism
of the State and local response. See below for the numbers:
Ah.. so blaming the feds is "fringe leftists" in Doug-o-vision. I guess that
means all those right-wing survivalists and white supremacists are actuall
"fringe leftists" eh?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
06 Sep 2005 11:01:13 PM |
|
|
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125935369.928300.46600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd love to
hear..
The "fringe leftist" agenda is to blame Bush for anything and
everything they possible can.
LOL! And what is "leftist" about that?
Because it is people on the left who generally hate Bush. Not
*everybody* on the left hates Bush. Of course many don't particularly
like him, but they're intellectually honest enough to realize there is
blame to go around at ALL levels of government for the disaster in New
Orleans. I believe you and Marvin are examples of that.
YOu really do like to throw these labels around without having a clue
what they mean, don't you?
In the US, the term liberal is used to describe a person of the left. A
"fringe leftist" would be an "extreme liberal" in US terminology. As
for someone throwing around a label without really knowing what it
means, that would apply to those who throw around the term "neocon"
without having a clue what it really means.
Oh, plenty of blame to go around certainly - especially talking about
pre-disaster. Post-disater is a slightluy different story, even lifelong
Republicans seem to be saying Federal Governemnt screwed up there.
Yes, I have not defended the Federal Government's response as much as I
have criticized the State and local governments for their failures
BEFORE the hurricane, which would have lessened the crisis for the
Feds, who also have Mississippi and Alabama to look after as well. Only
Louisiana has this major crisis, due to poor local leadership BEFORE
the hurricane struck.
Agreed.
Which proves you are not a fringe leftist, and neither is Marvin. Both
of you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge there is blame to
go around at ALL levels of government. Now if only Woods and Lemke
could bring themselves to see that logic.
The running-down of FEMA post 9/11 is a long term issue as well.
Yes, but the current head of FEMA handled four previous hurrianes with
no problems, because local leaders in those cases did their jobs before
AND after those hurricanes.
How many of those hurricanes were pre-9/11, as a matter of interest?
Zero. The current head of FEMA has only held the top office for 2
years.
And if you look at this Washington Post/ABC News Poll, it shows most
Americans are not fringe leftists like Woods and Lemke. The poll shows
a mixed response to the federal response, but an ovewhelming criticism
of the State and local response. See below for the numbers:
Ah.. so blaming the feds is "fringe leftists" in Doug-o-vision.
No, I have acknowledge REPEATEDLY that the feds deserve their share of
blame. Why does everyone think this has to be "either/or" and can't
involve blaming ALL levels of government, which I have done REPEATEDLY!
It is ONLY fringe leftists who can't bring themselves to give SOME
blame to the state and local governments.
I guess that means all those right-wing survivalists and white supremacists
are actuall "fringe leftists" eh?
No, they're "fringe rightists." It's amazing how the political fringes
start to find agreement on many topics. For instance, some of the
highest profile opponents to President Clinton's North America Free
Trade Agreement (NAFTA) were Ralph Nader (fringe left), Jesse Jackson
(fringe left), Pat Buchanan (fringe right), and Ross Perot (fringe
something). Anytime those four agree on anything, you can rest assured
the opposite point of view is the correct one.
.
|
|
|
| User: "tw" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 02:43:56 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065673.071783.124000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125935369.928300.46600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a
fringe
leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd love
to
hear..
The "fringe leftist" agenda is to blame Bush for anything and
everything they possible can.
LOL! And what is "leftist" about that?
Because it is people on the left who generally hate Bush. Not
*everybody* on the left hates Bush. Of course many don't particularly
like him, but they're intellectually honest enough to realize there is
blame to go around at ALL levels of government for the disaster in New
Orleans. I believe you and Marvin are examples of that.
YOu really do like to throw these labels around without having a clue
what they mean, don't you?
In the US, the term liberal is used to describe a person of the left.
I thought it meant someone who was liberal in their outlook? What about the
Libertarians? Are they, like, SUPER left wing?
A "fringe leftist" would be an "extreme liberal" in US terminology.
I see.
As for someone throwing around a label without really knowing what it
means, that would apply to those who throw around the term "neocon"
without having a clue what it really means.
Well, they're BOTH examples of people throwing around terms without knowing
what they mean. One doing it doesn't excuse the other.
Oh, plenty of blame to go around certainly - especially talking
about
pre-disaster. Post-disater is a slightluy different story, even
lifelong
Republicans seem to be saying Federal Governemnt screwed up there.
Yes, I have not defended the Federal Government's response as much as
I
have criticized the State and local governments for their failures
BEFORE the hurricane, which would have lessened the crisis for the
Feds, who also have Mississippi and Alabama to look after as well.
Only
Louisiana has this major crisis, due to poor local leadership BEFORE
the hurricane struck.
Agreed.
Which proves you are not a fringe leftist, and neither is Marvin.
Eh? So even if I was an extremist Marxist who wanted to see a dictatorship
of the working classes, the workers owning the means of production and the
abolishment of private property, as long as I realise the mayor of New
Orleans fucked up I'm NOT a fringe leftist?
mmmkay...
<snip>
Ah.. so blaming the feds is "fringe leftists" in Doug-o-vision.
No, I have acknowledge REPEATEDLY that the feds deserve their share of
blame. Why does everyone think this has to be "either/or" and can't
involve blaming ALL levels of government, which I have done REPEATEDLY!
It is ONLY fringe leftists who can't bring themselves to give SOME
blame to the state and local governments.
I guess that means all those right-wing survivalists and white
supremacists
are actuall "fringe leftists" eh?
No, they're "fringe rightists." It's amazing how the political fringes
start to find agreement on many topics.
Oh, I've always subscribed to the view that the political spectrum is
circular rather than linear. 0 degrees is moderate, 180 is extreme left or
right...
For instance, some of the
highest profile opponents to President Clinton's North America Free
Trade Agreement (NAFTA) were Ralph Nader (fringe left), Jesse Jackson
(fringe left), Pat Buchanan (fringe right), and Ross Perot (fringe
something). Anytime those four agree on anything, you can rest assured
the opposite point of view is the correct one.
LOL! I hear ya...
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 11:41:16 PM |
|
|
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065673.071783.124000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125935369.928300.46600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a
fringe leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd love
to hear..
The "fringe leftist" agenda is to blame Bush for anything and
everything they possible can.
LOL! And what is "leftist" about that?
Because it is people on the left who generally hate Bush. Not
*everybody* on the left hates Bush. Of course many don't particularly
like him, but they're intellectually honest enough to realize there is
blame to go around at ALL levels of government for the disaster in New
Orleans. I believe you and Marvin are examples of that.
YOu really do like to throw these labels around without having a clue
what they mean, don't you?
In the US, the term liberal is used to describe a person of the left.
I thought it meant someone who was liberal in their outlook? What about the
Libertarians? Are they, like, SUPER left wing?
No, Libertarians would agree more (but not completely) with anarchists;
while the SUPER left wing would agree more (but not completely) with
totalitarianism.
A "fringe leftist" would be an "extreme liberal" in US terminology.
I see.
As for someone throwing around a label without really knowing what it
means, that would apply to those who throw around the term "neocon"
without having a clue what it really means.
Well, they're BOTH examples of people throwing around terms without knowing
what they mean. One doing it doesn't excuse the other.
I know what "fringe leftist" means. It refers to someone who is on the
extremes of liberalism.
Oh, plenty of blame to go around certainly - especially talking
about pre-disaster. Post-disater is a slightluy different story,
even lifelong Republicans seem to be saying Federal Governemnt
screwed up there.
Yes, I have not defended the Federal Government's response as much as
I have criticized the State and local governments for their failures
BEFORE the hurricane, which would have lessened the crisis for the
Feds, who also have Mississippi and Alabama to look after as well.
Only Louisiana has this major crisis, due to poor local leadership
BEFORE the hurricane struck.
Agreed.
Which proves you are not a fringe leftist, and neither is Marvin.
Eh? So even if I was an extremist Marxist who wanted to see a dictatorship
of the working classes, the workers owning the means of production and the
abolishment of private property, as long as I realise the mayor of New
Orleans fucked up I'm NOT a fringe leftist?
No, that scenario wouldn't work, because in a Marxist dictatorship all
orders come down from the central government. In your scenario, the
mayor would not have authority unless given orders from the central
authority, in which case the guy on top WOULD be to blame. And then he
would have the mayor shot.
mmmkay...
<snip>
Ah.. so blaming the feds is "fringe leftists" in Doug-o-vision.
No, I have acknowledge REPEATEDLY that the feds deserve their share of
blame. Why does everyone think this has to be "either/or" and can't
involve blaming ALL levels of government, which I have done REPEATEDLY!
It is ONLY fringe leftists who can't bring themselves to give SOME
blame to the state and local governments.
I guess that means all those right-wing survivalists and white
supremacists
are actuall "fringe leftists" eh?
No, they're "fringe rightists." It's amazing how the political fringes
start to find agreement on many topics.
Oh, I've always subscribed to the view that the political spectrum is
circular rather than linear. 0 degrees is moderate, 180 is extreme left or
right...
My thought exactly.
For instance, some of the
highest profile opponents to President Clinton's North America Free
Trade Agreement (NAFTA) were Ralph Nader (fringe left), Jesse Jackson
(fringe left), Pat Buchanan (fringe right), and Ross Perot (fringe
something). Anytime those four agree on anything, you can rest assured
the opposite point of view is the correct one.
LOL! I hear ya...
.
|
|
|
| User: "tw" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
08 Sep 2005 02:20:50 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126154476.754258.93350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065673.071783.124000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125935369.928300.46600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125933396.224043.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with
a
fringe leftist political agenda,
*boggle* What's on the "fringe leftist" agenda then, Steve? I'd
love
to hear..
The "fringe leftist" agenda is to blame Bush for anything and
everything they possible can.
LOL! And what is "leftist" about that?
Because it is people on the left who generally hate Bush. Not
*everybody* on the left hates Bush. Of course many don't particularly
like him, but they're intellectually honest enough to realize there is
blame to go around at ALL levels of government for the disaster in New
Orleans. I believe you and Marvin are examples of that.
YOu really do like to throw these labels around without having a
clue
what they mean, don't you?
In the US, the term liberal is used to describe a person of the left.
I thought it meant someone who was liberal in their outlook? What about
the
Libertarians? Are they, like, SUPER left wing?
No, Libertarians would agree more (but not completely) with anarchists;
while the SUPER left wing would agree more (but not completely) with
totalitarianism.
A "fringe leftist" would be an "extreme liberal" in US terminology.
I see.
As for someone throwing around a label without really knowing what it
means, that would apply to those who throw around the term "neocon"
without having a clue what it really means.
Well, they're BOTH examples of people throwing around terms without
knowing
what they mean. One doing it doesn't excuse the other.
I know what "fringe leftist" means.
No, you know what YOU mean by "fringe leftist".
It refers to someone who is on the
extremes of liberalism.
Liberalism, maybe, but not liberalism - there is a big difference between
e.g. The Liberal party and the adjective liberal.
Which proves you are not a fringe leftist, and neither is Marvin.
Eh? So even if I was an extremist Marxist who wanted to see a
dictatorship
of the working classes, the workers owning the means of production and
the
abolishment of private property, as long as I realise the mayor of New
Orleans fucked up I'm NOT a fringe leftist?
No, that scenario wouldn't work, because in a Marxist dictatorship all
orders come down from the central government.
Huh? I'm saying if that's what I *believed* not if that were the political
setup in NO...
In your scenario, the mayor would not have authority unless given orders
from the central
authority, in which case the guy on top WOULD be to blame.
Actually I think the collectivist philosophy delegates much of such decision
making to a commune level. The central authority is responsible for general
ideology, five year plans etc but implementation occurs at a local level.
But we digress.
And then he
would have the mayor shot.
I'm referring to your only apparent criteria for not being a fringe leftist
being the blaming of the NO as well as the Fed government...besides, a
rightist government is historically more likely to shoot you for failure
than a letfist one.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Woodswun" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 01:16:02 PM |
|
|
Steven Douglas wrote:
John F Lemke wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125929372.787991.130940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr. Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds
didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job.
No, Steven, in the report on "60 Minutes" last night the mayor was saying
the President admitted to the weakness of the Federal response.
Hey, I admit to the weakness of the Federal response. Sheesh, what part
of that didn't you understand in my response? And OF COURSE the mayor
is going to focus on what happened AFTER the hurricane, and hope to
avoid the inevitiable criticism of his actions (or lack thereof) BEFORE
the hurricane.
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor, and you're a fringle leftist
socialist kook.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd all
like to know what's on that agenda!
Woods
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
05 Sep 2005 11:31:45 PM |
|
|
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John F Lemke wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125929372.787991.130940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr. Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds
didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job.
No, Steven, in the report on "60 Minutes" last night the mayor was saying
the President admitted to the weakness of the Federal response.
Hey, I admit to the weakness of the Federal response. Sheesh, what part
of that didn't you understand in my response? And OF COURSE the mayor
is going to focus on what happened AFTER the hurricane, and hope to
avoid the inevitiable criticism of his actions (or lack thereof) BEFORE
the hurricane.
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor, and you're a fringle leftist
socialist kook.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above. And if you'd read that
post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist political agenda" is to
blame Bush for anything and everything they can. You're a prime example
of that.
.
|
|
|
| User: "tw" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
06 Sep 2005 02:35:40 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John F Lemke wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125929372.787991.130940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the
Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr.
Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds
didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best
help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job.
No, Steven, in the report on "60 Minutes" last night the mayor was
saying
the President admitted to the weakness of the Federal response.
Hey, I admit to the weakness of the Federal response. Sheesh, what
part
of that didn't you understand in my response? And OF COURSE the mayor
is going to focus on what happened AFTER the hurricane, and hope to
avoid the inevitiable criticism of his actions (or lack thereof)
BEFORE
the hurricane.
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a
greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor, and you're a fringle leftist
socialist kook.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above.
It's the reaction of any reasonable person to a bizarre assertion like that.
And if you'd read that post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist
political agenda" is to
blame Bush for anything and everything they can. You're a prime example
of that.
So anyone who blames Bush for anything is a "fringe leftist"? LOL! Tell, me,
are the Mullahs in Iran "fringe leftists"? Osama Bin Laden?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
06 Sep 2005 11:03:57 PM |
|
|
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
John F Lemke wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125929372.787991.130940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John F Lemke wrote:
After 4 years of high priority Homeland Security planning the
Federal
response was "inadequate" according to the President himself. Mr.
Bush
also privately told the mayor of NO, a LOCAL OFFICIAL, that the Feds
didn't
do their job properly and directly asked him how they could best
help.
Yes, in other words, he was asking the mayor to do his job.
No, Steven, in the report on "60 Minutes" last night the mayor was
saying
the President admitted to the weakness of the Federal response.
Hey, I admit to the weakness of the Federal response. Sheesh, what
part
of that didn't you understand in my response? And OF COURSE the mayor
is going to focus on what happened AFTER the hurricane, and hope to
avoid the inevitiable criticism of his actions (or lack thereof)
BEFORE
the hurricane.
You'll have to run along now. I'm not going to waste time with a
greasy
little spin doctor.
Okay, I'm a greasy little spin doctor, and you're a fringle leftist
socialist kook.
I think everyone else on apn will come to the same decision.
Well, considering most of you on apn are fringe leftists with a fringe
leftist political agenda,
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above.
It's the reaction of any reasonable person to a bizarre assertion like that.
But shouldn't a reasonable person be able to agree that there is blame
to go around for the New Orleans disaster at ALL levels of government,
local, state, and federal?
And if you'd read that post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist
political agenda" is to blame Bush for anything and everything they
can. You're a prime example of that.
So anyone who blames Bush for anything is a "fringe leftist"?
No, you've got that twisted around completely backwards. Did you do
that on purpose just to try to confuse the reasonable fringe leftists
of APN? You see, as I described it and not the way you saw fit to twist
it, a "fringe leftist" is someone who blames Bush for anything AND
everything.
LOL!
Well, glad you were able to amuse yourself.
Tell, me, are the Mullahs in Iran "fringe leftists"?
You tell me. You're the one who had to twist my words in order to amuse
yourself, so you could come up with this silly and irrelevant question
.... oh, wait a moment ... what were those three letters, all caps ...
oh yes, LOL!
Osama Bin Laden?
He's on a fringe that has lost touch with civilization.
.
|
|
|
| User: "tw" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 02:49:05 AM |
|
|
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065837.009398.104620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
<snip>
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd
all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above.
It's the reaction of any reasonable person to a bizarre assertion like
that.
But shouldn't a reasonable person be able to agree that there is blame
to go around for the New Orleans disaster at ALL levels of government,
local, state, and federal?
That's how it seems to me, yes. I may not have the same insight as others
though.
And if you'd read that post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist
political agenda" is to blame Bush for anything and everything they
can. You're a prime example of that.
So anyone who blames Bush for anything is a "fringe leftist"?
No, you've got that twisted around completely backwards. Did you do
that on purpose just to try to confuse the reasonable fringe leftists
of APN? You see, as I described it and not the way you saw fit to twist
it, a "fringe leftist" is someone who blames Bush for anything AND
everything.
OK... but that "everything" is a bit hyperbolic isn't it? I think it's
reasonable to blame the President for the repsonse to NO.. the buck stops
here and all that, I don't think it's reasonable to blame him for the toe I
stubbed this morning , for example. Neither do Woods or John
LOL!
Well, glad you were able to amuse yourself.
Tell, me, are the Mullahs in Iran "fringe leftists"?
You tell me. You're the one who had to twist my words in order to amuse
yourself, so you could come up with this silly and irrelevant question
... oh, wait a moment ... what were those three letters, all caps ...
oh yes, LOL!
You don't think the Mullahs and OBL blame Bush for lots of things that
aren't really his doing?
Osama Bin Laden?
He's on a fringe that has lost touch with civilization.
Nice dodge.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Woodswun" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 09:03:23 PM |
|
|
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065837.009398.104620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
<snip>
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd
all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above.
It's the reaction of any reasonable person to a bizarre assertion like
that.
But shouldn't a reasonable person be able to agree that there is blame
to go around for the New Orleans disaster at ALL levels of government,
local, state, and federal?
That's how it seems to me, yes. I may not have the same insight as others
though.
And if you'd read that post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist
political agenda" is to blame Bush for anything and everything they
can. You're a prime example of that.
So anyone who blames Bush for anything is a "fringe leftist"?
No, you've got that twisted around completely backwards. Did you do
that on purpose just to try to confuse the reasonable fringe leftists
of APN? You see, as I described it and not the way you saw fit to twist
it, a "fringe leftist" is someone who blames Bush for anything AND
everything.
OK... but that "everything" is a bit hyperbolic isn't it? I think it's
reasonable to blame the President for the repsonse to NO.. the buck stops
here and all that, I don't think it's reasonable to blame him for the toe I
stubbed this morning , for example. Neither do Woods or John
Of course not. Nobody blames Bush for the inability to get everyone out
of New Orleans. I'm not sure that anyone who really looks into the
logistics would have expected that it was even feasible. What Bush is
being blamed for is eviscerating FEMA, eviscerating the budget for the
improvement/maintenance of the levees, and sitting on his hands for a
couple of days after the storm struck.
Woods
.
|
|
|
| User: " John F Lemke" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 05:25:48 PM |
|
|
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:LZMTe.64414$EX.22421@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065837.009398.104620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
<snip>
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd
all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above.
It's the reaction of any reasonable person to a bizarre assertion like
that.
But shouldn't a reasonable person be able to agree that there is blame
to go around for the New Orleans disaster at ALL levels of government,
local, state, and federal?
That's how it seems to me, yes. I may not have the same insight as
others
though.
And if you'd read that post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist
political agenda" is to blame Bush for anything and everything they
can. You're a prime example of that.
So anyone who blames Bush for anything is a "fringe leftist"?
No, you've got that twisted around completely backwards. Did you do
that on purpose just to try to confuse the reasonable fringe leftists
of APN? You see, as I described it and not the way you saw fit to twist
it, a "fringe leftist" is someone who blames Bush for anything AND
everything.
OK... but that "everything" is a bit hyperbolic isn't it? I think it's
reasonable to blame the President for the repsonse to NO.. the buck
stops
here and all that, I don't think it's reasonable to blame him for the
toe I
stubbed this morning , for example. Neither do Woods or John
Of course not. Nobody blames Bush for the inability to get everyone out
of New Orleans. I'm not sure that anyone who really looks into the
logistics would have expected that it was even feasible. What Bush is
being blamed for is eviscerating FEMA, eviscerating the budget for the
improvement/maintenance of the levees, and sitting on his hands for a
couple of days after the storm struck.
Woods
Stephen's spun himself into a hurricane. He's worked himself into quite a
froth over this thing.
I wonder what name the hurricane gets when we get down to the letter "S"?
Is it a male name this year?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Steven Douglas" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 11:44:08 PM |
|
|
John F Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:LZMTe.64414$EX.22421@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065837.009398.104620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
<snip>
What "fringe leftist political agenda" would that be? I'm sure we'd
all
like to know what's on that agenda!
That's almost exactly what tw said just above.
It's the reaction of any reasonable person to a bizarre assertion like
that.
But shouldn't a reasonable person be able to agree that there is blame
to go around for the New Orleans disaster at ALL levels of government,
local, state, and federal?
That's how it seems to me, yes. I may not have the same insight as
others
though.
And if you'd read that post, you'd see I said the "fringe leftist
political agenda" is to blame Bush for anything and everything they
can. You're a prime example of that.
So anyone who blames Bush for anything is a "fringe leftist"?
No, you've got that twisted around completely backwards. Did you do
that on purpose just to try to confuse the reasonable fringe leftists
of APN? You see, as I described it and not the way you saw fit to twist
it, a "fringe leftist" is someone who blames Bush for anything AND
everything.
OK... but that "everything" is a bit hyperbolic isn't it? I think it's
reasonable to blame the President for the repsonse to NO.. the buck
stops
here and all that, I don't think it's reasonable to blame him for the
toe I
stubbed this morning , for example. Neither do Woods or John
Of course not. Nobody blames Bush for the inability to get everyone out
of New Orleans. I'm not sure that anyone who really looks into the
logistics would have expected that it was even feasible. What Bush is
being blamed for is eviscerating FEMA, eviscerating the budget for the
improvement/maintenance of the levees, and sitting on his hands for a
couple of days after the storm struck.
Woods
Stephen's spun himself into a hurricane. He's worked himself into quite a
froth over this thing.
Yeah, well, it started over my disgust with those who were working this
tragedy for political advantage.
I wonder what name the hurricane gets when we get down to the letter "S"?
Is it a male name this year?
You know, Johathon, if they did use Stephen, it wouldn't be my name
after all.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Woodswun" |
|
| Title: Re: Governor of LA sends Bush letter |
07 Sep 2005 09:35:12 PM |
|
|
John F Lemke wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:LZMTe.64414$EX.22421@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126065837.009398.104620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125981105.523549.230340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
<snip>
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
