Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
Intelligence expert says nuke option is reason bin Laden has been quiet
Posted: January 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Why hasn't Osama bin Laden's terror network executed an attack on U.S. soil
since 9-11?
Simple, says Dr. Jack Wheeler, creator of an acclaimed intelligence website
dubbed "the oasis for rational conservatives": The U.S. has threatened to nuke
the Muslim holy city of Mecca should the terror leader strike America again.
On his website, To the Point, Wheeler explains how the Bush administration has
identified the potential of wiping Mecca off the map as bin Laden's ultimate
point of vulnerability – the Damoclean Sword hanging over his head.
"Israel … recognizes that the Aswan Dam is Egypt's Damoclean Sword," writes
Wheeler. "There is no possibility whatever of Egypt's winning a war with
Israel, for if Aswan is blown, all of inhabited Egypt is under 20 feet of
water. Once the Israelis made this clear to the Egyptians, the possibility of
any future Egyptian attack on Israel like that of 1948, 1967, and 1972 is
gone."
Wheeler says talk of bin Laden's Damoclean Sword has infiltrated the Beltway.
Writes Wheeler in his members-only column: "There has been a rumor floating in
the Washington ether for some time now that George Bush has figured out what
Sword of Damocles is suspended over Osama bin Laden's head. It's whispered
among Capitol Hill staffers on the intel and armed services committees; White
House NSC (National Security Council) members clam up tight if you begin to
hint at it; and State Department neo-cons love to give their liberal
counterparts cardiac arrhythmia by elliptically conversing about it in their
presence.
"The whispers and hints and ellipses are getting louder now because the rumor
explains the inexplicable: Why hasn't there been a repeat of 9-11? How can it
be that after this unimaginable tragedy and Osama's constant threats of
another, we have gone over three years without a single terrorist attack on
American soil?"
Available only to subscribers of To the Point, Wheeler ends his column by
explaining the effectiveness of the Mecca threat.
"Completely obliterating the terrorists' holiest of holies, rendering what is
for them the world's most sacred spot a radioactive hole in the ground is
retribution of biblical proportions – and those are the only proportions that
will do the job.
"Osama would have laughed off such a threat, given his view that Americans are
wussies who cut and run after a few losses, such as Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia
in 1993. Part of Bush's rationale for invading Afghanistan and Iraq –
obviously never expressed publicly – was to convince Osama that his threat to
nuke Mecca was real. Osama hates America just as much as ever, but he is
laughing no more."
Wheeler says bin Laden is "playing poker with a Texas cowboy holding the
nuclear aces," so there's nothing al-Qaida could do that could come remotely
close to risking obliterating Mecca.
Writes Wheeler: "So far, Osama has decided not to see if GW is bluffing. Smart
move."
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(TonyZ2001), wrote in alt.prophecies.nostradamus, fr,
07 jan 2005 16:42:56 GMT:
Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
Intelligence expert says nuke option is reason bin Laden has been
quiet
Let me guess. Some smart White House advisor probably said to Rumsfeld:
"- let start a rumor among the muslim extremists that we will nuke Mecca
if he attack us again!"
Sounds like a smart idea! ------- NOT!
Even Rumsfeld know this would have started WW3 and would have rejected
the idea.
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H.
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07 Jan 2005 11:58:09 AM |
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Subject: Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
From: (TonyZ2001)
Date: 1/7/2005 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20050107114256.08274.00002935@mb-m05.aol.com>
Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
Intelligence expert says nuke option is reason bin Laden has been quiet
Posted: January 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Why hasn't Osama bin Laden's terror network executed an attack on U.S. soil
since 9-11?
Simple, says Dr. Jack Wheeler, creator of an acclaimed intelligence website
dubbed "the oasis for rational conservatives": The U.S. has threatened to
nuke
the Muslim holy city of Mecca should the terror leader strike America again.
On his website, To the Point, Wheeler explains how the Bush administration
has
identified the potential of wiping Mecca off the map as bin Laden's ultimate
point of vulnerability – the Damoclean Sword hanging over his head.
"Israel … recognizes that the Aswan Dam is Egypt's Damoclean Sword," writes
Wheeler. "There is no possibility whatever of Egypt's winning a war with
Israel, for if Aswan is blown, all of inhabited Egypt is under 20 feet of
water. Once the Israelis made this clear to the Egyptians, the possibility of
any future Egyptian attack on Israel like that of 1948, 1967, and 1972 is
gone."
Wheeler says talk of bin Laden's Damoclean Sword has infiltrated the Beltway.
Writes Wheeler in his members-only column: "There has been a rumor floating
in
the Washington ether for some time now that George Bush has figured out what
Sword of Damocles is suspended over Osama bin Laden's head. It's whispered
among Capitol Hill staffers on the intel and armed services committees; White
House NSC (National Security Council) members clam up tight if you begin to
hint at it; and State Department neo-cons love to give their liberal
counterparts cardiac arrhythmia by elliptically conversing about it in their
presence.
"The whispers and hints and ellipses are getting louder now because the rumor
explains the inexplicable: Why hasn't there been a repeat of 9-11? How can it
be that after this unimaginable tragedy and Osama's constant threats of
another, we have gone over three years without a single terrorist attack on
American soil?"
Available only to subscribers of To the Point, Wheeler ends his column by
explaining the effectiveness of the Mecca threat.
"Completely obliterating the terrorists' holiest of holies, rendering what is
for them the world's most sacred spot a radioactive hole in the ground is
retribution of biblical proportions – and those are the only proportions
that
will do the job.
"Osama would have laughed off such a threat, given his view that Americans
are
wussies who cut and run after a few losses, such as Lebanon in 1983 and
Somalia
in 1993. Part of Bush's rationale for invading Afghanistan and Iraq –
obviously never expressed publicly – was to convince Osama that his threat
to
nuke Mecca was real. Osama hates America just as much as ever, but he is
laughing no more."
Wheeler says bin Laden is "playing poker with a Texas cowboy holding the
nuclear aces," so there's nothing al-Qaida could do that could come remotely
close to risking obliterating Mecca.
Writes Wheeler: "So far, Osama has decided not to see if GW is bluffing.
Smart
move."
Reading this gave me cardiac arrhythmia!
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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07 Jan 2005 06:23:55 PM |
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In article <20050107125809.06162.00002113@mb-m27.aol.com>, tadapope@aol.comWOMP (TaDa Pope) wrote:
Subject: Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
From: (TonyZ2001)
Date: 1/7/2005 8:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20050107114256.08274.00002935@mb-m05.aol.com>
Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
Intelligence expert says nuke option is reason bin Laden has been quiet
Posted: January 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Why hasn't Osama bin Laden's terror network executed an attack on U.S. soil
since 9-11?
Simple, says Dr. Jack Wheeler, creator of an acclaimed intelligence website
dubbed "the oasis for rational conservatives": The U.S. has threatened to
nuke
the Muslim holy city of Mecca should the terror leader strike America again.
Just when you think WorldNutDaily couldn't become any more ridiculous ...
Woods
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08 Jan 2005 10:02:14 AM |
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woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
Just when you think
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report by an
independant intelligence expert.
I hope he's right, you obviously hope he's wrong and you hope that another
attack is coming.
Tony
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10 Jan 2005 04:30:55 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report
by an independant intelligence expert.
As the moons aligned in the unfathomable depths of the dark water, the
fat man bargained with tiny figments of his imagination, and with
magnetic boots gluing him to the surface, he handed out candy.
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08 Jan 2005 02:09:33 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
Just when you think
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report by an
independant intelligence expert.
LOL pantyboy. "An independant intelligence expert." You're fuckin' mad.
This Wheeler character is on a par with the $ollogs and Turi'$ of this
world. Another fuckin' nutcase with an internet connection and too much
time on his hands.
"An independant intelligence expert"...hehehe.
I'll give you one thing pantyboy...you can still, after all these
years, give me a good larf!
WH
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08 Jan 2005 03:37:13 PM |
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In article <1105214973.353913.202450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
Just when you think
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report by an
independant intelligence expert.
LOL pantyboy. "An independant intelligence expert." You're fuckin' mad.
Hey, you never know. Could be one of those people the CIA tested LSD on ... but
otherwise, not very credible. It's a stupid idea, whether it's just a planted
rumor or a real plan. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Woods
This Wheeler character is on a par with the $ollogs and Turi'$ of this
world. Another fuckin' nutcase with an internet connection and too much
time on his hands.
"An independant intelligence expert"...hehehe.
I'll give you one thing pantyboy...you can still, after all these
years, give me a good larf!
WH
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08 Jan 2005 11:18:40 PM |
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Subject: Re: Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
From: (Woodswun)
Date: 1/8/2005 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <doYDd.136799$AL5.55418@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
In article <1105214973.353913.202450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "WH"
<bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
wrote:
Just when you think
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report by an
independant intelligence expert.
LOL pantyboy. "An independant intelligence expert." You're fuckin' mad.
Hey, you never know. Could be one of those people the CIA tested LSD on ...
but
otherwise, not very credible. It's a stupid idea, whether it's just a
planted
rumor or a real plan. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Woods
This Wheeler character is on a par with the $ollogs and Turi'$ of this
world. Another fuckin' nutcase with an internet connection and too much
time on his hands.
"An independant intelligence expert"...hehehe.
I'll give you one thing pantyboy...you can still, after all these
years, give me a good larf!
WH
I was one of those people the CIA tested LSD on in the MK ULTRA project. I
glided
thru the entire 3 years of it all with a grin
on my face and trails in the air. :)
Still see some trails too and of course the colors and patterns around the
trails are wonderful to play with and make them move about in the air around
me.
It's truly joyous indeed! Right Uncle Wally?
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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09 Jan 2005 09:16:37 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
In article <1105214973.353913.202450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
Just when you think
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report by an
independant intelligence expert.
LOL pantyboy. "An independant intelligence expert." You're fuckin' mad.
Hey, you never know. Could be one of those people the CIA tested LSD on ... but
otherwise, not very credible. It's a stupid idea, whether it's just a planted
rumor or a real plan. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Woods
Well, that WAS the point of Deterrance, mutually assured destruction. That's what kept the world from
being a cinder for fifty years. If that's what it takes to make them pull their heads out of their arses,
then make it Policy. That way the decision won't be a matter of personal will on the part of the
President, and the threat will have real teeth. Why didn't the USSR nuke us, they had more of everything.
Because they KNEW that their launch would be detected and the counterstroke would be on the way before
their missiles got to the targets. Double kill, no winner. The only winning move is not to play. When we
convince Islam Inc. that we Will glass Mecca over, they'll make a deal. Then we won't actually have to
glass Mecca over, Deterrance in action.
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09 Jan 2005 10:31:35 AM |
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"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:41E14AD1.7B0F0F68@worldnet.att.net...
Well, that WAS the point of Deterrance, mutually assured destruction.
That's what kept the world from
being a cinder for fifty years
Correct. No matter how 'mad' you consider MAD the fact is that it basically
kept the
two superpowers from instigating a nuclear exchange.
. If that's what it takes to make them pull their heads out of their arses,
then make it Policy. That way the decision won't be a matter of personal
will on the part of the
President, and the threat will have real teeth.
Mmmm, I understand what you mean, but you might actually help AQ by doing
so.
Why didn't the USSR nuke us, they had more of everything.
Because they KNEW that their launch would be detected and the
counterstroke would be on the way before
their missiles got to the targets. Double kill, no winner. The only
winning move is not to play.
Correct. On a smaller scale this has been played out elsewhere. Libyas
recent backflip is a good
illustration. Quaddafi has decided not to play anymore and consequently he
is not facing the same
fate as Saddam. (Actually they are nothing alike, Quaddafi looks after his
people and his country
infinitely better than Saddam)
When we
convince Islam Inc. that we Will glass Mecca over, they'll make a deal.
Then we won't actually have to
glass Mecca over, Deterrance in action.
Possibly, but not certainly. And it would depend under what circumstances.
Consider:
The Sept 11 attacks were designed to be a polarising event. ie They were
intended to unite all Muslims
against the US/West/Christian civilisation. But this presupposed that the
US would be so angered over the
attacks that they would lash out blindly at the Muslim world. They did
not. They bided their time and located
the organisation responsible and its leadership and went after it. So Islam
was not united by the thrashings of a
wounded giant smashing cities in the middle east, which is what I suspect AQ
believed would happen.
A threat to nuke Mecca now would likely do just that however, at least to
some degree, actually doing it certainly would.
However IF AQ somehow managed to unite Islam (no mean feat in itself) AND
managed to convince them to
make a credible nuclear threat against the US, then and only then would MAD
have a chance of succeeding.
However ISTR that the Quran foretells the destruction of Mecca at some point
so this might merely cause a
belief amongst Muslims that the end times were upon them and spur them to
further acts of Jihad.
Should there be an actual nuke used on a US or western nation by an Islamic
group, it's hard to predict the result.
But I'd be certain that some ME city would get free nuclear street lighting
as a consequence.
Just my 2c worth....
The CO
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09 Jan 2005 10:42:28 AM |
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In article <34d4jnF4anv7gU1@individual.net>, "The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:41E14AD1.7B0F0F68@worldnet.att.net...
Well, that WAS the point of Deterrance, mutually assured destruction.
That's what kept the world from
being a cinder for fifty years
Correct. No matter how 'mad' you consider MAD the fact is that it basically
kept the
two superpowers from instigating a nuclear exchange.
. If that's what it takes to make them pull their heads out of their arses,
then make it Policy. That way the decision won't be a matter of personal
will on the part of the
President, and the threat will have real teeth.
Mmmm, I understand what you mean, but you might actually help AQ by doing
so.
Why didn't the USSR nuke us, they had more of everything.
Because they KNEW that their launch would be detected and the
counterstroke would be on the way before
their missiles got to the targets. Double kill, no winner. The only
winning move is not to play.
Correct. On a smaller scale this has been played out elsewhere. Libyas
recent backflip is a good
illustration. Quaddafi has decided not to play anymore and consequently he
is not facing the same
fate as Saddam. (Actually they are nothing alike, Quaddafi looks after his
people and his country
infinitely better than Saddam)
When we
convince Islam Inc. that we Will glass Mecca over, they'll make a deal.
Then we won't actually have to
glass Mecca over, Deterrance in action.
Possibly, but not certainly. And it would depend under what circumstances.
Consider:
The Sept 11 attacks were designed to be a polarising event. ie They were
intended to unite all Muslims
against the US/West/Christian civilisation. But this presupposed that the
US would be so angered over the
attacks that they would lash out blindly at the Muslim world. They did
not. They bided their time and located
the organisation responsible and its leadership and went after it. So Islam
was not united by the thrashings of a
wounded giant smashing cities in the middle east, which is what I suspect AQ
believed would happen.
A threat to nuke Mecca now would likely do just that however, at least to
some degree, actually doing it certainly would.
However IF AQ somehow managed to unite Islam (no mean feat in itself) AND
managed to convince them to
make a credible nuclear threat against the US, then and only then would MAD
have a chance of succeeding.
However ISTR that the Quran foretells the destruction of Mecca at some point
so this might merely cause a
belief amongst Muslims that the end times were upon them and spur them to
further acts of Jihad.
Should there be an actual nuke used on a US or western nation by an Islamic
group, it's hard to predict the result.
But I'd be certain that some ME city would get free nuclear street lighting
as a consequence.
What you're failing to take into account is that Al Qaeda exists outside of
geopolitical boundaries, so the MAD model is inappropriate. What infrastructure
do they risk? None. What would be the result of a nuke against any Muslim
city? Increased hatred against America, which would turbo-charge Muslim support
for Al Qaeda worldwide.
Woods
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10 Jan 2005 06:19:15 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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What you're failing to take into account is that Al Qaeda exists outside
of
geopolitical boundaries, so the MAD model is inappropriate.
Actually I did take that into account.
What infrastructure
do they risk? None.
It's a question of what value Islam collectively places on their holy places
like Mecca and Medina. AQ, (as you quite correctly state) has no infra
structure to speak of, however they do have a 'centre of gravity', their
religion.
What would be the result of a nuke against any Muslim
city? Increased hatred against America, which would turbo-charge Muslim
support
for Al Qaeda worldwide.
Quite possibly, which is why it would be an empty threat in the present
climate.
If it were in clear response to a nuclear attack on a US city, there will be
a trail leading
*somewhere* and that somewhere will get nuked. No ifs buts or maybes.
OTOH, if a US or western city were nuked by AQ, with no clear path leading
to
any particular state (which I consider extremely unlikely) then a
retaliatory strike
against, say, Mecca, would indeed increase hatred (not that it makes a lot
of difference
given their attitude to all things non Muslim) but it also might put AQ in a
difficult
position as many moderate Muslims might feel they were endangering the faith
by
their actions.
But would it work as a deterrent prior to this? No, I don't think it would,
not to
AQ anyway.
The CO
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10 Jan 2005 10:11:27 AM |
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woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
What you're failing to take into account >is that Al Qaeda exists outside of
geopolitical boundaries, so the MAD >model is inappropriate. What
infrastructure do they risk?
Mecca and then Medina.
None.
Wrong.
What would be the result of a nuke >against any Muslim city? Increased
hatred against America, which would >turbo-charge Muslim support for Al
Qaeda worldwide.
Woods
So in other words we should just sit back and die.
What a clueless, pacifistic moron you are.
Tony
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Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
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11 Jan 2005 06:35:03 AM |
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"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
That's because OBL is still the agressor. We have done nothing but react to
stimulus since long before 9/11. We aren't acting like the agressor in this
engagement, and until we do, we're going to continue to take useless
casualties. They call us occupiers, maybe we should show them what
'Occupier' can really mean. 24 hour cerfews in unstable areas, read any
area that causes ANY problems to our forces. One inbound rifle round is
enough to be considered an unstable area. Continuous air CAP, both manned
and unmanned. M1s on every corner. Sweeps for weapons, they've proved that
they can't be counted on for responsible firearm ownership. Arrest/shoot
anyone who resists, no exceptions. Don't have the nads for that? Start
packing and admit defeat.
The only problem with this is that it doesn't address the real problem,
which is the obsoleteness of Islam as a basis for government in an
industrial world. This IS a clash of cultures, and one culture or the
other will disappear or be radically altered before it's all over. As long
as Islam Inc. preaches hate every Friday morning, there will be a
continuous source of fanatics feeding the meat grinder. If we want to see a
long term solution, we're going to have to take charge of the education
systems and hold it for a couple of generations at least, maybe longer.
Not a fun prospect, but the alternative is equally unpalatable. We're
fighting a 1500 year old Dynastic Theocracy, maybe we should re-evaluate
the target.
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11 Jan 2005 09:04:00 AM |
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"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:41E3C7F3.4CC1D2CC@worldnet.att.net...
"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
That's because OBL is still the agressor. We have done nothing but react
to
stimulus since long before 9/11. We aren't acting like the agressor in
this
engagement, and until we do, we're going to continue to take useless
casualties. They call us occupiers, maybe we should show them what
'Occupier' can really mean. 24 hour cerfews in unstable areas, read any
area that causes ANY problems to our forces. One inbound rifle round is
enough to be considered an unstable area. Continuous air CAP, both manned
and unmanned. M1s on every corner. Sweeps for weapons, they've proved that
they can't be counted on for responsible firearm ownership. Arrest/shoot
anyone who resists, no exceptions. Don't have the nads for that? Start
packing and admit defeat.
The only problem with this is that it doesn't address the real problem,
which is the obsoleteness of Islam as a basis for government in an
industrial world. This IS a clash of cultures, and one culture or the
other will disappear or be radically altered before it's all over. As
long
as Islam Inc. preaches hate every Friday morning, there will be a
continuous source of fanatics feeding the meat grinder. If we want to see
a
long term solution, we're going to have to take charge of the education
systems and hold it for a couple of generations at least, maybe longer.
Not a fun prospect, but the alternative is equally unpalatable. We're
fighting a 1500 year old Dynastic Theocracy, maybe we should re-evaluate
the target.
Thank you for that, Charlie! You've hit the nail on the head!
Jane
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"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
That's because OBL is still the agressor. We have done nothing but react
to
stimulus since long before 9/11. We aren't acting like the agressor in
this
engagement, and until we do, we're going to continue to take useless
casualties.
The casualties are not entirely useless. A few thousand dead and wounded
marines to ensure lucrative contracts for US companies for the next decade
or two, even put the US economy back on track. Not a bad deal. Just ask
Cheney if you don't believe me.
They call us occupiers, maybe we should show them what
'Occupier' can really mean. 24 hour cerfews in unstable areas, read any
area that causes ANY problems to our forces. One inbound rifle round is
enough to be considered an unstable area. Continuous air CAP, both manned
and unmanned. M1s on every corner. Sweeps for weapons, they've proved that
they can't be counted on for responsible firearm ownership. Arrest/shoot
anyone who resists, no exceptions.
That sounds like a very good synthesis of news from Iraq in the past couple
of years:-)
Don't have the nads for that? Start
packing and admit defeat.
No need to admit defeat. Things are moving along, _almost as planned.
Unfriendly Saddam has been removed, Iraq has incurred material damages in
the order of 2 trillion dollars, a friendly government has been identified,
and will be able to sign the reconstruction contracts shortly. US can start
pulling out in a few months, or even stay and get ready for the next
project.
Granted, it would have been better of Iraqi's hearts and minds had been won
in the process. But that's a minor detail that doesn't really matter in the
big picture.
The only problem with this is that it doesn't address the real problem,
which is the obsoleteness of Islam as a basis for government in an
industrial world. This IS a clash of cultures, and one culture or the
other will disappear or be radically altered before it's all over. As
long
as Islam Inc. preaches hate every Friday morning, there will be a
continuous source of fanatics feeding the meat grinder. If we want to see
a
long term solution, we're going to have to take charge of the education
systems and hold it for a couple of generations at least, maybe longer.
Not a fun prospect, but the alternative is equally unpalatable. We're
fighting a 1500 year old Dynastic Theocracy, maybe we should re-evaluate
the target.
Educating the Iraqis, other Muslims around the world, or anybody in fact to
embrace with open arms the culture of waste and over-consummation doesn't
take two decades. It doesn't even take two years. The problem is not there.
The problem is that if you want to promote that kind of life style and
"culture", you need to provide the goods as well. We can't just send the
boys over, and tell the natives to embrace our cultural values while we
juice them dry, leaving them with nothing but bread crumbs to waste and
over-consume. That's delusional and won't work. Hasn't worked before, won't
work in the future either.
Stat.
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MonsieurStat wrote:
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:41E3C7F3.4CC1D2CC@worldnet.att.net...
"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US
is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility
with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the
man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US
to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
That's because OBL is still the agressor. We have done nothing but
react
to
stimulus since long before 9/11. We aren't acting like the agressor
in
this
engagement, and until we do, we're going to continue to take
useless
casualties.
The casualties are not entirely useless. A few thousand dead and
wounded
marines to ensure lucrative contracts for US companies for the next
decade
or two, even put the US economy back on track. Not a bad deal. Just
ask
Cheney if you don't believe me.
They call us occupiers, maybe we should show them what
'Occupier' can really mean. 24 hour cerfews in unstable areas,
read any
area that causes ANY problems to our forces. One inbound rifle
round is
enough to be considered an unstable area. Continuous air CAP, both
manned
and unmanned. M1s on every corner. Sweeps for weapons, they've
proved that
they can't be counted on for responsible firearm ownership.
Arrest/shoot
anyone who resists, no exceptions.
That sounds like a very good synthesis of news from Iraq in the past
couple
of years:-)
Don't have the nads for that? Start
packing and admit defeat.
No need to admit defeat. Things are moving along, _almost as planned.
Unfriendly Saddam has been removed, Iraq has incurred material
damages in
the order of 2 trillion dollars, a friendly government has been
identified,
and will be able to sign the reconstruction contracts shortly. US can
start
pulling out in a few months, or even stay and get ready for the next
project.
Granted, it would have been better of Iraqi's hearts and minds had
been won
in the process. But that's a minor detail that doesn't really matter
in the
big picture.
The only problem with this is that it doesn't address the real
problem,
which is the obsoleteness of Islam as a basis for government in an
industrial world. This IS a clash of cultures, and one culture or
the
other will disappear or be radically altered before it's all over.
As
long
as Islam Inc. preaches hate every Friday morning, there will be a
continuous source of fanatics feeding the meat grinder. If we want
to see
a
long term solution, we're going to have to take charge of the
education
systems and hold it for a couple of generations at least, maybe
longer.
Not a fun prospect, but the alternative is equally unpalatable.
We're
fighting a 1500 year old Dynastic Theocracy, maybe we should
re-evaluate
the target.
Educating the Iraqis, other Muslims around the world, or anybody in
fact to
embrace with open arms the culture of waste and over-consummation
doesn't
take two decades. It doesn't even take two years. The problem is not
there.
The problem is that if you want to promote that kind of life style
and
"culture", you need to provide the goods as well. We can't just send
the
boys over, and tell the natives to embrace our cultural values while
we
juice them dry, leaving them with nothing but bread crumbs to waste
and
over-consume. That's delusional and won't work. Hasn't worked before,
won't
work in the future either.
Stat.
Iraq has *NO* future for the remaining seven & a half years of this
"so-called" civilization -- just more of the same, I'm afraid -- & no
stability -- just chaos & anarchy & mayhem !
TRAGIC !
Hooroo
Uncle Wally
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12 Jan 2005 03:21:15 AM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US
is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility
with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US
to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
That's because OBL is still the agressor. We have done nothing but
react to
stimulus since long before 9/11. We aren't acting like the agressor
in this
engagement, and until we do, we're going to continue to take useless
casualties. They call us occupiers, maybe we should show them what
'Occupier' can really mean. 24 hour cerfews in unstable areas, read
any
area that causes ANY problems to our forces. One inbound rifle round
is
enough to be considered an unstable area. Continuous air CAP, both
manned
and unmanned. M1s on every corner. Sweeps for weapons, they've proved
that
they can't be counted on for responsible firearm ownership.
Arrest/shoot
anyone who resists, no exceptions. Don't have the nads for that?
Start
packing and admit defeat.
The only problem with this is that it doesn't address the real
problem,
which is the obsoleteness of Islam as a basis for government in an
industrial world. This IS a clash of cultures, and one culture or
the
other will disappear or be radically altered before it's all over.
As long
as Islam Inc. preaches hate every Friday morning, there will be a
continuous source of fanatics feeding the meat grinder. If we want to
see a
long term solution, we're going to have to take charge of the
education
systems and hold it for a couple of generations at least, maybe
longer.
Not a fun prospect, but the alternative is equally unpalatable. We're
fighting a 1500 year old Dynastic Theocracy, maybe we should
re-evaluate
the target.
Maybe you should go and learn something about Islam instead of spewing
out the usual ***** used by all ignorant idiot yanks. Might be a
good start! Yeah, the yanks may have the firepower...but you need some
common sense too...and you're rant suggests that you're lacking in that
department!
WH
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12 Jan 2005 10:50:00 AM |
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"WH"
wrote:
Maybe you should go and learn >something about Islam instead of
Oh, so we should all convert to Islam as you have done, eh Chris?
We don't need to know anymore than there are elements of Islam that want to
destroy us, that's all we need to know, we don't need to try to understand why
they want to kill us, we just have to stop them.
If your ilk were around in the 1930's and 1940's you would have been
encouraging us to learn about being a Nazi.
Tony
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13 Jan 2005 10:50:43 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
"WH"
wrote:
Maybe you should go and learn >something about Islam instead of
Oh, so we should all convert to Islam as you have done, eh Chris?
Learn about Islam...convert to Islam...Learn about Islam...convert to
Islam...Learn about Islam...convert to Islam...Learn about
Islam...convert to Islam...Learn about Islam...convert to Islam...Learn
about Islam...convert to Islam!
Pantyboy, I can't get these two sentences to be equal to each other no
matter how many times I say them...how did you manage it?
We don't need to know anymore than there are elements of Islam that
want to
destroy us, that's all we need to know, we don't need to try to
understand why
they want to kill us, we just have to stop them.
Oh you need to understand why pantyboy. That's a big part of the
problem that you don't bother to know why.
If your ilk were around in the 1930's and 1940's you would have been
encouraging us to learn about being a Nazi.
....and if my granny had've had balls she'de have been my granda!
WH
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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13 Jan 2005 07:15:39 AM |
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WH wrote:
Charly the ***** wrote:
"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware Mr Bin Laden has stated the aim of the US
is to
destroy Islam and destroy Mecca, this would give him credibility
with
the Islamic folk who are opposed to such goings on, however the man
seems to understand tactics and strategy, he has so far got the US
to
react in a manner he seems to anticipate.
LB
That's because OBL is still the agressor. We have done nothing but
react to
stimulus since long before 9/11. We aren't acting like the agressor
in this
engagement, and until we do, we're going to continue to take useless
casualties. They call us occupiers, maybe we should show them what
'Occupier' can really mean. 24 hour cerfews in unstable areas, read
any
area that causes ANY problems to our forces. One inbound rifle round
is
enough to be considered an unstable area. Continuous air CAP, both
manned
and unmanned. M1s on every corner. Sweeps for weapons, they've proved
that
they can't be counted on for responsible firearm ownership.
Arrest/shoot
anyone who resists, no exceptions. Don't have the nads for that?
Start
packing and admit defeat.
The only problem with this is that it doesn't address the real
problem,
which is the obsoleteness of Islam as a basis for government in an
industrial world. This IS a clash of cultures, and one culture or
the
other will disappear or be radically altered before it's all over.
As long
as Islam Inc. preaches hate every Friday morning, there will be a
continuous source of fanatics feeding the meat grinder. If we want to
see a
long term solution, we're going to have to take charge of the
education
systems and hold it for a couple of generations at least, maybe
longer.
Not a fun prospect, but the alternative is equally unpalatable. We're
fighting a 1500 year old Dynastic Theocracy, maybe we should
re-evaluate
the target.
Maybe you should go and learn something about Islam instead of spewing
out the usual ***** used by all ignorant idiot yanks. Might be a
good start! Yeah, the yanks may have the firepower...but you need some
common sense too...and you're rant suggests that you're lacking in that
department!
WH
Actually, I've read the Q'ran and the Commentaries, well English
'translations' of them. It has it's good points, but it also has an
undercurrent of Conquest by Force, which is completely obsolete in today's
world. I'm of the opinion that The Mad Monk was deceived by a servant of
the Enemy in that cave. I pity the Muslims, I don't hate them.
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10 Jan 2005 10:06:53 AM |
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Charly the *****
wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
In article <1105214973.353913.202450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "WH"
<bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
Just when you think
Hey pinhead, this is not WND making things up, this is a report by an
independant intelligence expert.
LOL pantyboy. "An independant intelligence expert." You're fuckin' mad.
Hey, you never know. Could be one of those people the CIA tested LSD on
... but
otherwise, not very credible. It's a stupid idea, whether it's just a
planted
rumor or a real plan. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Woods
Well, that WAS the point of Deterrance, mutually assured destruction. That's
what kept the world from
being a cinder for fifty years. If that's what it takes to make them pull
their heads out of their arses,
then make it Policy. That way the decision won't be a matter of personal
will on the part of the
President, and the threat will have real teeth. Why didn't the USSR nuke us,
they had more of everything.
Because they KNEW that their launch would be detected and the counterstroke
would be on the way before
their missiles got to the targets. Double kill, no winner. The only winning
move is not to play. When we
convince Islam Inc. that we Will glass Mecca over, they'll make a deal. Then
we won't actually have to
glass Mecca over, Deterrance in action.
Exactly.
Tony
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09 Jan 2005 06:26:24 PM |
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Deterrance in action is the ultimate weapon!
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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10 Jan 2005 10:12:43 AM |
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tadapope@aol.comWOMP
wrote:
Deterrance in action is the ultimate >weapon!
Exactly, but Sandy doesn't want that, she wants the Islamic Terrorists to kill
thousands of Americans so that she can point her finger and our President and
blame him for it.
Tony
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07 Jan 2005 07:42:52 PM |
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I think the entire thing is a vast constiparacy!
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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07 Jan 2005 07:56:23 PM |
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TaDa Pope wrote:
I think the entire thing is a vast constiparacy!
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
If they vaporized Mecca, then those hideous,
hooked-nosed, phallus-worshipping Gerbils
would become an endangered species !!!
Hooroo ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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07 Jan 2005 11:06:51 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
No. Any other stupid questions you need answering?
-A
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07 Jan 2005 02:34:43 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?
Intelligence expert says nuke option is reason bin Laden has been
quiet
Posted: January 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Why hasn't Osama bin Laden's terror network executed an attack on
U.S. soil
since 9-11?
Simple, says Dr. Jack Wheeler, creator of an acclaimed intelligence
website
dubbed "the oasis for rational conservatives": The U.S. has
threatened to nuke
the Muslim holy city of Mecca should the terror leader strike America
again.
On his website, To the Point, Wheeler explains how the Bush
administration has
identified the potential of wiping Mecca off the map as bin Laden's
ultimate
point of vulnerability - the Damoclean Sword hanging over his head.
LOL! What a moronically stupid idea.
Even Bush's government wouldn't propose something so ridiculous and
futile. If a country had been responsible for 9/11 then there was a
possibility of the capital getting nuked (but a very small one). But
the idea that a totally innocent city would get nuked for a terrorist
attack is stupid on so many levels.
I think Bin Laden would want such an attack. It would unite the Muslim
world for all time behind him against America. And I think much of the
rest of the world would impose sanctions over it as well.
Lazi
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07 Jan 2005 04:55:54 PM |
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Well well well nuking Mecca seems Nostradamus has forseen this as well,
and we know the outcome then or is that a suck and see?
Couple this Q with 3 chaps of the Epistle:
555. In the country of Arabia Felix 1 [or Fortunate Arabia get the
irony], There will be born one powerful in the law of Mahomet: To vex
Spain, to conquer Grenada, And more by sea against the Ligurian 2
people.
1 Arabia Felix =3D part of Arabia now divided between Yemen and the Aden
Protectorate.
2 Ligurian =3D the Genoese
LV. De la Felice Arabie contrade 1, N'aitra puissant de loi
Mahometique: Vexer l'Espagne, conquester 2 la Grenade, Et plus par mer
=E0 la gent Lygustique 3.
1 contrade =3D Provencal contrada, country.
2 conquester OF: conquester, to conquer, win.
3 Ligustique =3D Latin Ligusticus, Ligurian.
34. And a new incursion will be made by the maritime shores, wishing to
deliver the Sierra More=F1a from the first Mahometan recapture. Their
assaults will not all be in vain, and the place which was once the
abode of Abraham will be assaulted by persons who hold the Jovialists
in veneration. And this city of "Achem" will be surrounded and assailed
on all sides by a most powerful force of warriors. Their maritime
forces will be weakened by the Westerners, and great desolation will
fall upon this realm. Its greatest cities will be depopulated and those
who enter will fall under the vengeance of the wrath of God.
35. The sepulchre, for long an object of such great veneration, will
remain in the open, exposed to the sight of the heavens, the Sun and
the Moon. The holy place will be converted into a stable for a herd
large and small, and used for profane purposes. Oh, what a calamitous
affliction will pregnant women bear at this time.
36. For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the
Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be
put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many
women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of
the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he
might deliver the children of those doomed to die.
LB
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