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User: "TonyZ2001"
Date: 24 Apr 2004 06:04:11 AM
Object: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism
Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.
Tony
Updated: 04:32 AM EDT
Ex-NFL Player Tillman Killed in Afghanistan Firefight
Had Joined Army Rangers Following Sept. 11 Attacks
By BOB BAUM, AP SPORTS
WASHINGTON (April 23) -- Pat Tillman walked away from millions in the NFL to
fight for his country in Afghanistan.
He paid with his life.
The former Arizona Cardinals safety was killed Thursday night in a firefight
while on combat patrol. A specialist with the elite Army Rangers, he was 27.
"He is a hero," Cardinals vice president Michael Bidwill said. "He was a brave
man. There are very few people who have the courage to do what he did, the
courage to walk away from a professional sports career and make the ultimate
sacrifice."
Lt. Col. Matt Beevers, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Kabul, said a
soldier was killed by anti-coalition militia forces about 25 miles from a U.S.
military base at Khost, the site of frequent attacks.
The Department of Defense confirmed Tillman's death Friday night, stating in a
news release that he was killed in Afghanistan "when his patrol vehicle came
under attack." It did not provide details.
The White House praised Tillman as "an inspiration both on and off the football
field."
The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Tillman was an overachiever as an athlete. Too slow to
be a great safety, too small for an NFL linebacker, he got by on toughness and
effort.
Those attributes undoubtedly served him well in the Army Rangers, whom he
joined in May 2002 after abandoning his career with the Cardinals. He moved
from a violent game to the reality of war.
"Pat Tillman personified all the best values of his country and the NFL,"
commissioner Paul Tagliabue said. "He was an achiever and leader on many levels
who always put his team, his community, and his country ahead of his personal
interests."
Tillman was the first NFL player killed in combat since Buffalo offensive
tackle Bob Kalsu died in the Vietnam War in July 1970. Nineteen NFL players
were killed in World War II.
Some 110 U.S. soldiers have died -- 39 of them in combat -- during Operation
Enduring Freedom, which began in Afghanistan in late 2001.
Denver quarterback Jake Plummer was a teammate of Tillman for seven years,
three at Arizona State and four with the Cardinals.
"We lost a unique individual that touched the lives of many with his love for
life, his toughness, his intellect," Plummer said in a statement released by
the Broncos. "Pat Tillman lived life to the fullest and will be remembered
forever in my heart and mind."
In college, Tillman was a long-haired wild man on the field, an all-Pac-10
linebacker always going full speed. Bone-jarring hits were his trademark.
He and Plummer led the Sun Devils to the 1997 Rose Bowl. The next season,
Tillman was the Pac-10 defensive player of the year. He graduated summa *****
laude in December 1997 with a marketing degree and a 3.84 grade-point average.
The Cardinals took Tillman in the seventh round of the 1998 draft, the 226th
player chosen. At first, he made his mark on special teams but played his way
into a starting spot at safety.
In 2000, he broke the franchise record for tackles with 224. He had 12 solo
tackles, and a hand in 21 overall, in a 16-15 victory over Washington that
season.
In practice, coaches often had to make Tillman slow down so he wouldn't hurt
anybody in drills that weren't supposed to be full speed. Slowing down was
always tough for him.

Before the 2000 season, he ran a marathon to see what it would be like. Before
the 2001 season, he gave the triathlon a try.
Six months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Tillman walked into the office
of then-coach Dave McGinnis, pulled up a chair and said, "Mac, we have to
talk."
Tillman and his brother Kevin -- a minor league baseball player in the
Cleveland organization -- were going to join the Army Rangers, soldiers sent
where the fighting is toughest.
"It was his wish that this not be something that would draw a lot of
attention," McGinnis said. "He truly felt committed and felt a sense of honor
and duty at this point in his life that this is what he wanted to do."
Tillman never said a word publicly about his decision.
When he returned from his Middle East tour of duty, Tillman, his wife, Marie,
and brother Kevin joined the Cardinals for a game in Seattle last December.
They spent five hours in McGinnis' hotel room the night before the game,
talking.
"He was just so proud to be a member of the Rangers," McGinnis said. "That came
through loud and clear."
Tillman attended the team's pregame breakfast, then watched the game with
Cardinals owner Bill Bidwill and his son, Michael. Tillman talked with his
teammates in the locker room after the game, then slipped out a side door
before reporters came in.
"Pat knew his purpose in life. He proudly walked away from a career in
football to a greater calling."
-Former Arizona Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis

Tillman turned down a more lucrative offer from the St. Louis Rams in 2001 to
stay with the Cardinals. A year later, he walked away from a three-year, $3.6
million offer from Arizona to join the Army.
Phil Snow, now defensive coordinator at the University of Washington, held the
same position at Arizona State when the Sun Devils recruited Tillman out of San
Jose, Calif.
"Pat was a lot of things as a person," Snow said. "He was a tough, good-looking
guy. He was extremely competitive. You know there is a saying with older
people: 'He was a man's man.' You always knew where you stood with Pat. There
was no phoniness in him."
Gov. Janet Napolitano ordered flags on the Arizona State campus flown at
half-staff. His framed No. 40 jersey was displayed Friday on a table outside
Cardinals headquarters, alongside flowers and teddy bears. A pen was left for
people to write messages to the Tillman family.
"What other person do you know who would give up a life in the NFL to defend
what he believes in with his own life?" said former teammate David Barrett, now
with the New York Jets. "That is a humble guy."
Washington, D.C.-based writer John J. Lumpkin and New York-based sports writer
Andrea Adelson contributed to this report.
04/23/04 23:53 EDT
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User: "WH"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 25 Apr 2004 06:32:41 AM
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
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Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.
Tony

Went off and got himself killed yeah!
BUT YOU don't represent the true spirit of americans pantyboy...you just
post to usenet convincing us all that they are loud mouthed idiots!
WH
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User: "Werewolfy"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 25 Apr 2004 06:33:01 PM

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================================================================================
Fire fight?
That 'word' has insinuated itself into the uk news now.
Is it the same as a gun fight?
I just imagine men armed with flame throwers attacking one-another.
Sometimes, when more placid, I imagine firemen tackling a blaze.
Ah well. Perhaps there was only a minor amount of, 'collateral
damage'. Now that it is the Springtime, I fancy the combattants will
extinguish their heating in the camp...thus ridding us of that nice,
'friendly fire'.
It's simply the propaganda machine I suppose.
Ricky
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User: "jha_amin"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 24 Apr 2004 12:13:28 PM
(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040424070411.21890.00000171@mb-m23.aol.com>...

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.
Tony

Updated: 04:32 AM EDT
Ex-NFL Player Tillman Killed in Afghanistan Firefight
Had Joined Army Rangers Following Sept. 11 Attacks
By BOB BAUM, AP SPORTS

WASHINGTON (April 23) -- Pat Tillman walked away from millions in the NFL to
fight for his country in Afghanistan.

Great man!
this guy was for real. once in a while it happens.
The first post i have ever agreed with,Tony. ;)
.

User: "Ex"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 27 Apr 2004 08:56:58 AM
Better him then you, eh Chicken Hawk???
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040424070411.21890.00000171@mb-m23.aol.com...

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.
Tony

Updated: 04:32 AM EDT
Ex-NFL Player Tillman Killed in Afghanistan Firefight
Had Joined Army Rangers Following Sept. 11 Attacks
By BOB BAUM, AP SPORTS

WASHINGTON (April 23) -- Pat Tillman walked away from millions in the NFL

to

fight for his country in Afghanistan.

He paid with his life.

The former Arizona Cardinals safety was killed Thursday night in a

firefight

while on combat patrol. A specialist with the elite Army Rangers, he was

27.


"He is a hero," Cardinals vice president Michael Bidwill said. "He was a

brave

man. There are very few people who have the courage to do what he did, the
courage to walk away from a professional sports career and make the

ultimate

sacrifice."

Lt. Col. Matt Beevers, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Kabul, said a
soldier was killed by anti-coalition militia forces about 25 miles from a

U.S.

military base at Khost, the site of frequent attacks.

The Department of Defense confirmed Tillman's death Friday night, stating

in a

news release that he was killed in Afghanistan "when his patrol vehicle

came

under attack." It did not provide details.

The White House praised Tillman as "an inspiration both on and off the

football

field."

The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Tillman was an overachiever as an athlete. Too

slow to

be a great safety, too small for an NFL linebacker, he got by on toughness

and

effort.

Those attributes undoubtedly served him well in the Army Rangers, whom he
joined in May 2002 after abandoning his career with the Cardinals. He

moved

from a violent game to the reality of war.

"Pat Tillman personified all the best values of his country and the NFL,"
commissioner Paul Tagliabue said. "He was an achiever and leader on many

levels

who always put his team, his community, and his country ahead of his

personal

interests."

Tillman was the first NFL player killed in combat since Buffalo offensive
tackle Bob Kalsu died in the Vietnam War in July 1970. Nineteen NFL

players

were killed in World War II.

Some 110 U.S. soldiers have died -- 39 of them in combat -- during

Operation

Enduring Freedom, which began in Afghanistan in late 2001.

Denver quarterback Jake Plummer was a teammate of Tillman for seven years,
three at Arizona State and four with the Cardinals.

"We lost a unique individual that touched the lives of many with his love

for

life, his toughness, his intellect," Plummer said in a statement released

by

the Broncos. "Pat Tillman lived life to the fullest and will be remembered
forever in my heart and mind."

In college, Tillman was a long-haired wild man on the field, an all-Pac-10
linebacker always going full speed. Bone-jarring hits were his trademark.

He and Plummer led the Sun Devils to the 1997 Rose Bowl. The next season,
Tillman was the Pac-10 defensive player of the year. He graduated summa

*****

laude in December 1997 with a marketing degree and a 3.84 grade-point

average.


The Cardinals took Tillman in the seventh round of the 1998 draft, the

226th

player chosen. At first, he made his mark on special teams but played his

way

into a starting spot at safety.

In 2000, he broke the franchise record for tackles with 224. He had 12

solo

tackles, and a hand in 21 overall, in a 16-15 victory over Washington that
season.

In practice, coaches often had to make Tillman slow down so he wouldn't

hurt

anybody in drills that weren't supposed to be full speed. Slowing down was
always tough for him.

Before the 2000 season, he ran a marathon to see what it would be like.

Before

the 2001 season, he gave the triathlon a try.

Six months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Tillman walked into the

office

of then-coach Dave McGinnis, pulled up a chair and said, "Mac, we have to
talk."

Tillman and his brother Kevin -- a minor league baseball player in the
Cleveland organization -- were going to join the Army Rangers, soldiers

sent

where the fighting is toughest.

"It was his wish that this not be something that would draw a lot of
attention," McGinnis said. "He truly felt committed and felt a sense of

honor

and duty at this point in his life that this is what he wanted to do."

Tillman never said a word publicly about his decision.

When he returned from his Middle East tour of duty, Tillman, his wife,

Marie,

and brother Kevin joined the Cardinals for a game in Seattle last

December.

They spent five hours in McGinnis' hotel room the night before the game,
talking.

"He was just so proud to be a member of the Rangers," McGinnis said. "That

came

through loud and clear."

Tillman attended the team's pregame breakfast, then watched the game with
Cardinals owner Bill Bidwill and his son, Michael. Tillman talked with his
teammates in the locker room after the game, then slipped out a side door
before reporters came in.

"Pat knew his purpose in life. He proudly walked away from a career in
football to a greater calling."
-Former Arizona Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis

Tillman turned down a more lucrative offer from the St. Louis Rams in 2001

to

stay with the Cardinals. A year later, he walked away from a three-year,

$3.6

million offer from Arizona to join the Army.

Phil Snow, now defensive coordinator at the University of Washington, held

the

same position at Arizona State when the Sun Devils recruited Tillman out

of San

Jose, Calif.

"Pat was a lot of things as a person," Snow said. "He was a tough,

good-looking

guy. He was extremely competitive. You know there is a saying with older
people: 'He was a man's man.' You always knew where you stood with Pat.

There

was no phoniness in him."

Gov. Janet Napolitano ordered flags on the Arizona State campus flown at
half-staff. His framed No. 40 jersey was displayed Friday on a table

outside

Cardinals headquarters, alongside flowers and teddy bears. A pen was left

for

people to write messages to the Tillman family.

"What other person do you know who would give up a life in the NFL to

defend

what he believes in with his own life?" said former teammate David

Barrett, now

with the New York Jets. "That is a humble guy."

Washington, D.C.-based writer John J. Lumpkin and New York-based sports

writer

Andrea Adelson contributed to this report.


04/23/04 23:53 EDT

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User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 24 Apr 2004 10:33:23 AM
In article <20040424070411.21890.00000171@mb-m23.aol.com>,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.
Tony

Yup. I feel badly for his family, even though I'm sure they knew the risks when
he went into the Rangers. It's really tough on the parents/siblings.
Woods
.

User: "Zak"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 24 Apr 2004 10:30:28 AM
On 24 Apr 2004 11:04:11 GMT,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.

Yeah he does represent the true Americans, killers and terrorists. He
got what he deserved, should have stayed home and played football eh?
.
User: "Anon Ymous"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 25 Apr 2004 12:36:20 PM
Zak <Zak@home.com> wrote in message news:<ju1l80db38pk0ogegqm32iu5fih5f4bskv@4ax.com>...

On 24 Apr 2004 11:04:11 GMT,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.

Yeah he does represent the true Americans, killers and terrorists. He
got what he deserved, should have stayed home and played football eh?

Rather than live by his convictions? Didnt realize you were such a
sellout, Daark. I pity you.
S~
.
User: "cesar"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 25 Apr 2004 03:07:52 PM
"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0404250936.2b0e1204@posting.google.com...

Zak <Zak@home.com> wrote in message

news:<ju1l80db38pk0ogegqm32iu5fih5f4bskv@4ax.com>...

On 24 Apr 2004 11:04:11 GMT,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.


Yeah he does represent the true Americans, killers and terrorists. He
got what he deserved, should have stayed home and played football eh?


Rather than live by his convictions? Didnt realize you were such a
sellout, Daark. I pity you.

What conviction might that be? The conviction that the make believe macho
violence in the stadium ain't good enough? Signing up for military service
to get your license to kill Iraqis is honorable? Why aren't all Americans
of conviction lining up for military service to relieve those over there who
are dying to come home but handed another three months sentence? Just how
many Americans do you think think that America's freedom is at stake and
Muslims are evil out to destroy America and must be pre-emptively killed
first? Could they be cowards????
You 'pity' Daark for speaking out against the slaughter of the innocents.
But how bout you, Anon, who claims not to judge. Are YOU convicted enough
to go over there and relieve you fellow countrymen?
Or will you sit at your computer all day passing judgement and condemning
and convicting those who are opposed to the violence being perpetrated by
your self-righteous President whose policy you alternately condemn and
praise? Don't pity. Do something useful and go over there and see for
yourself whether Daark and all the nay-saying reporters are right or not.
Bring your M16 assault rifle with you and see things from Ground Zero, first
hand. And then come back here and post something that might be worth
reading. Tell us how you many men, women and children you've killed to
defend America's freedom and how you've saved the whole world from the
scourge of Islam.
cesar
.
User: "Anon Ymous"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 25 Apr 2004 08:53:56 PM
"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:<sUUic.259687$2oI1.149890@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...

"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Zak <Zak@home.com> wrote in message

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On 24 Apr 2004 11:04:11 GMT,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.


Yeah he does represent the true Americans, killers and terrorists. He
got what he deserved, should have stayed home and played football eh?


Rather than live by his convictions? Didnt realize you were such a
sellout, Daark. I pity you.


What conviction might that be?

<snipped cesar's patented idiot rhetoricals that ignore the noble side
of human nature in favor of falsely attacking and judging Americans>
Instead of wallowing in your bias, try to see things from his
perspective instead of harshly judging him and his motives. I know, I
know, you cant do that because youre a hypocrite.

Why aren't all Americans
of conviction lining up for military service to relieve those over there who
are dying to come home but handed another three months sentence? Just how
many Americans do you think think that America's freedom is at stake and
Muslims are evil out to destroy America and must be pre-emptively killed
first? Could they be cowards????

More idiotic rhetoricals, compliments of cesar. Ok, here's a great
lesson that you desperately need. There is no possible way to answer
your first question without knowing the reasons of all Americans.
There could be millions of reasons why people arent signing up.
Instead of trying to force your stupid and extreme possibilities onto
the group, try to answer your first question.
Your last question is, "could they be cowards?" Maybe. I dont know
every one of them. But as Americans go, that generally doesnt tend to
be the case. You are clearly mistaking all Americans who are not
presently in service for the average Canadian. But there are
thousands, if not millions of other possibilities that you choose to
ignore in order to flame your hatred.

You 'pity' Daark for speaking out against the slaughter of the innocents.

Another manifestly false statement compliments of cesar. I pity daark
because he suggested that Tillman got what he deserved--because he,
like you, judged him without even trying to understand. I think you'd
have a very tough time trying to prove that Tillman slaughtered
innocents. Thanks for showing everyone that you really are an
anti-American, judgemental hypocrite.

But how bout you, Anon, who claims not to judge. Are YOU convicted enough
to go over there and relieve you fellow countrymen?

I've served my time during the first Gulf War, cesar. So already you
look like a fool because you fail to anticipate hundreds of other
possibilities. I volunteered for duty in Iraq during the first Gulf
War. That should answer your question (which you stupidly and
judgementally thought and hoped had a very different answer). Even
so, your question was idiotic to begin with because I may or may not
share his convictions just because I recognize them. And that's your
big problem. You stupidly make patently wrong assumptions over and
over and over. Your history on usenet is a history of blunders and
hate. Hope you can see that now.

Or will you sit at your computer all day passing judgement and condemning
and convicting those who are opposed to the violence being perpetrated by
your self-righteous President whose policy you alternately condemn and
praise?

Dont project your habits onto me. I have never "praised" Bush's
actions, only explained them in context of his perspective. And it's
far better to see both sides and reach out in understanding than to
categorically condemn Bush, America and the USM as satanic the way
someone who thinks they are god would do.

Don't pity.

I pity you even more than daark. At least daark knows what he thinks,
even if he's wrong. At least he admits he hates America--you cant
even do that. At least daark doenst consider himself a holy messenger
of God mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Acting like daark would
be a step up from your hypocrisy and delusion.

Do something useful and go over there and see for
yourself whether Daark and all the nay-saying reporters are right or not.
Bring your M16 assault rifle with you and see things from Ground Zero, first
hand.

My M16-carrying days are over. I served my time, and honorably. In
regards to my service, I have no regrets. Now, how bout you? Have
you ever served your country during a time of war? Would you ever put
your life on the line for your convictions or for someone else?
Somehow I doubt it. Seems to me that you prefer to talk about
Christ's teachings rather than actually practicing them.
Ive put my life on the line for my convictions, and you judging me in
this regard is as laughable yet sad as the rest of your blunders.

And then come back here and post something that might be worth
reading.

You couldnt identify it if it was. Poor guy...
<snip more cesar rant>
S~
.

User: "Zak"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 26 Apr 2004 06:52:38 AM
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:07:52 GMT, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:


"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Zak <Zak@home.com> wrote in message

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On 24 Apr 2004 11:04:11 GMT,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.


Yeah he does represent the true Americans, killers and terrorists. He
got what he deserved, should have stayed home and played football eh?


Rather than live by his convictions? Didnt realize you were such a
sellout, Daark. I pity you.


What conviction might that be? The conviction that the make believe macho
violence in the stadium ain't good enough? Signing up for military service
to get your license to kill Iraqis is honorable? Why aren't all Americans
of conviction lining up for military service to relieve those over there who
are dying to come home but handed another three months sentence? Just how
many Americans do you think think that America's freedom is at stake and
Muslims are evil out to destroy America and must be pre-emptively killed
first? Could they be cowards????

You 'pity' Daark for speaking out against the slaughter of the innocents.
But how bout you, Anon, who claims not to judge. Are YOU convicted enough
to go over there and relieve you fellow countrymen?
Or will you sit at your computer all day passing judgement and condemning
and convicting those who are opposed to the violence being perpetrated by
your self-righteous President whose policy you alternately condemn and
praise? Don't pity. Do something useful and go over there and see for
yourself whether Daark and all the nay-saying reporters are right or not.
Bring your M16 assault rifle with you and see things from Ground Zero, first
hand. And then come back here and post something that might be worth
reading. Tell us how you many men, women and children you've killed to
defend America's freedom and how you've saved the whole world from the
scourge of Islam.


cesar





Don't worry there cesar, he may soon have no choice but to serve. The
draft will soon be upon them.
.


User: "Zak"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 26 Apr 2004 06:50:35 AM
On 25 Apr 2004 10:36:20 -0700,
(Anon Ymous)
wrote:

Zak <Zak@home.com> wrote in message news:<ju1l80db38pk0ogegqm32iu5fih5f4bskv@4ax.com>...

On 24 Apr 2004 11:04:11 GMT,

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Pat Tillman represents the true spirit of Americans.


Yeah he does represent the true Americans, killers and terrorists. He
got what he deserved, should have stayed home and played football eh?


Rather than live by his convictions? Didnt realize you were such a
sellout, Daark. I pity you.

S~

Sellout? Hahahah. Hardly, just not lead by American propoganda.
.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: He turned down $Millions$ to fight against Terrorism 26 Apr 2004 01:00:32 PM
Zak <Zak@home.com> wrote in message news:<5rtp80l4fg8q337d3ipmis9se57567u299@4ax.com>...

On 25 Apr 2004 10:36:20 -0700,

(Anon Ymous)
wrote:

Rather than live by his convictions? Didnt realize you were such a
sellout, Daark. I pity you.

S~

Sellout? Hahahah. Hardly, just not lead by American propoganda.

However, you are lead by taliban and al qaeda propaganda! So what
makes that so appealing? Have you preformed the Haijj yet, Daark?
I noticed how you like to place two vowels together like Arabic does?
Care to elaborate as to why?
.





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