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User: "Jane"
Date: 22 Dec 2004 11:07:17 PM
Object: Here is what Muslim-Canadian women think of Sharia!
Note how this muslim woman refers to "sixth century religious ideals"!
Dec. 22, 2004. 01:00 AM
Sharia opponents fight on
`Faith-based tribunals' evoke fear, women say
Court challenge possible if amendments pass
LYNDA HURST
FEATURE WRITER
The fight to stop Muslim religious law being used to settle family disputes
in Ontario is far from over.
Despite a report this week saying amendments to the Arbitration Act will
prevent abuse, the two women who spearheaded the opposition vow they'll
carry on the battle.
"The mere suggestion of `faith-based,' or sharia tribunals, causes an
atmosphere of fear among women from Islamic countries," says Homa Arjomand,
head of the International Campaign To Stop Sharia Law in Canada.
Arjomand, who fled as a refugee from Iran's fundamentalist regime in 1989,
now counsels immigrant women, many of them Muslim victims of domestic
violence.
She says if the province accepts the controversial proposals of former
attorney-general Marion Boyd, it will face a confrontation in the courts,
and possibly a Charter of Rights challenge from her organization.
The report says no evidence was found to show that women are being
discriminated against in the unofficial "faith-based arbitrations" already
occurring. Boyd told the Toronto Star she had heard only from women who had
bad experiences while living in "full sharia regimes," not Canada.
Arjomand says there are indeed cases here.
"Our lawyers are studying the decisions of several arbitrations and will
bring them to court to expose how women are victimized by sixth-century
religious traditions," she says.
Her group is now raising funds to return to Toronto a woman who had been
sent back to Pakistan by her husband after he divorced her and was granted
custody of their three children in an unofficial sharia arbitration.
Paternal custody is customary in Islamic family law.
Arjomand is asking Muslim women who've experienced similar rulings to take
courage and come forward. They can contact the campaign
(http://www.nosharia.com) in confidence.
In a letter to Premier Dalton McGuinty, Alia Hogben, executive director of
the 900-member Canadian Council of Muslims, says Boyd completely ignored its
views and input:
"As believing Muslim women, we are in complete support of religious
accommodation, but accommodation has a limit when it affects the lives of
women and children."
The council is asking for a meeting in early January with McGuinty,
Attorney-General Michael Bryant and Sandra Pupatello, minister responsible
for women's issues, none of whom has commented on the report. The government
is studying the report.
Boyd was asked by the provincial government to review the 1991 Arbitration
Act and assess whether a plan by the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice to
use the guiding principles of their faith in settling marital and
inheritance disputes should be halted.
Hogben thinks Ontario should follow Quebec's lead in removing family law
from religious arbitrations. The safeguards it proposes instead - among
them, that participants must review in advance the faith-based principles to
be used and that arbitrators file decisions with the province - are wholly
inadequate, she says:
"Whose faith-based principles? Who among the various section of the Muslim
community will decide?"
Half of Canada's 650,000 Muslims live in Ontario and represent a range of
Islamic sects, including Shia, Sunni and Sufi. Their interpretations of
sharia, the body of laws that evolved after the death of Mohammed in AD 632,
vary widely.
Hogben and Arjomand say they warned Boyd that some fundamentalist groups
look on the right to use Muslim law in family matters as only the start of a
longer-term campaign - to create an independent legal system for
Muslim-Canadians.
Boyd says one of the "real issues" she faced in three months of
consultations was the "aspirations of some individuals," but she was assured
that these are viewed as "inappropriate" by the broader Muslim community.
However, "if it turns out we see an erosion of rights, the government will
have the data it needs to step in," she says.
"It stepped in with the practice of female circumcision in the early 1990s,
saying it was not acceptable under Canadian law."
The Muslim community has a responsibility to eradicate "cultural practices"
that are not, in fact, based on Islam, she says. But Ottawa and the province
also have to improve the education of new immigrants of both sexes on their
legal rights in Canada.
Boyd is confident that a majority of Muslims will support her
recommendations.
As for critics who pledge to carry on the fight: "I would hate for them to
think we don't understand their fears." But formalizing the arbitration
process may mean "mitigating some of the injustices."
Writer Sally Armstrong, who has documented the lives of Muslim women in
several countries, says if Ontario proceeds, "it will open a Pandora's box
and the consequences will be grave. Sharia doesn't work.
"Religious laws belong in the mosque, the synagogue, the church - not in the
legal system."
.

User: "MonsieurStat"

Title: Re: Here is what Muslim-Canadian women think of Sharia! 23 Dec 2004 12:02:42 AM
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3osyd.13280$Z%3.799236@news20.bellglobal.com...

Note how this muslim woman refers to "sixth century religious ideals"!

Dec. 22, 2004. 01:00 AM

Sharia opponents fight on
`Faith-based tribunals' evoke fear, women say

Court challenge possible if amendments pass

LYNDA HURST
FEATURE WRITER

The fight to stop Muslim religious law being used to settle family
disputes
in Ontario is far from over.
Despite a report this week saying amendments to the Arbitration Act will
prevent abuse, the two women who spearheaded the opposition vow they'll
carry on the battle.
"The mere suggestion of `faith-based,' or sharia tribunals, causes an
atmosphere of fear among women from Islamic countries," says Homa
Arjomand,
head of the International Campaign To Stop Sharia Law in Canada.
Arjomand, who fled as a refugee from Iran's fundamentalist regime in 1989,
now counsels immigrant women, many of them Muslim victims of domestic
violence.
She says if the province accepts the controversial proposals of former
attorney-general Marion Boyd, it will face a confrontation in the courts,
and possibly a Charter of Rights challenge from her organization.
The report says no evidence was found to show that women are being
discriminated against in the unofficial "faith-based arbitrations" already
occurring. Boyd told the Toronto Star she had heard only from women who
had
bad experiences while living in "full sharia regimes," not Canada.
Arjomand says there are indeed cases here.
"Our lawyers are studying the decisions of several arbitrations and will
bring them to court to expose how women are victimized by sixth-century
religious traditions," she says.
Her group is now raising funds to return to Toronto a woman who had been
sent back to Pakistan by her husband after he divorced her and was granted
custody of their three children in an unofficial sharia arbitration.
Paternal custody is customary in Islamic family law.
Arjomand is asking Muslim women who've experienced similar rulings to take
courage and come forward. They can contact the campaign
(http://www.nosharia.com) in confidence.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
But check out the video of their leader, Homa Arjomand. She is a filthy
anti-Mohammad Iranian escapie.
http://www.nosharia.com/Homa-tvo.wmv
She's just spreading propaganda lies ***** about seeing her friend
getting stoned to death under sharia law.
And so are you, idiot anti-Islam activist supporter.
IJ.
(Iranian Jean Gueron :-)

In a letter to Premier Dalton McGuinty, Alia Hogben, executive director of
the 900-member Canadian Council of Muslims, says Boyd completely ignored
its
views and input:
"As believing Muslim women, we are in complete support of religious
accommodation, but accommodation has a limit when it affects the lives of
women and children."
The council is asking for a meeting in early January with McGuinty,
Attorney-General Michael Bryant and Sandra Pupatello, minister responsible
for women's issues, none of whom has commented on the report. The
government
is studying the report.
Boyd was asked by the provincial government to review the 1991 Arbitration
Act and assess whether a plan by the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice
to
use the guiding principles of their faith in settling marital and
inheritance disputes should be halted.
Hogben thinks Ontario should follow Quebec's lead in removing family law
from religious arbitrations. The safeguards it proposes instead - among
them, that participants must review in advance the faith-based principles
to
be used and that arbitrators file decisions with the province - are wholly
inadequate, she says:
"Whose faith-based principles? Who among the various section of the Muslim
community will decide?"
Half of Canada's 650,000 Muslims live in Ontario and represent a range of
Islamic sects, including Shia, Sunni and Sufi. Their interpretations of
sharia, the body of laws that evolved after the death of Mohammed in AD
632,
vary widely.
Hogben and Arjomand say they warned Boyd that some fundamentalist groups
look on the right to use Muslim law in family matters as only the start of
a
longer-term campaign - to create an independent legal system for
Muslim-Canadians.
Boyd says one of the "real issues" she faced in three months of
consultations was the "aspirations of some individuals," but she was
assured
that these are viewed as "inappropriate" by the broader Muslim community.
However, "if it turns out we see an erosion of rights, the government will
have the data it needs to step in," she says.
"It stepped in with the practice of female circumcision in the early
1990s,
saying it was not acceptable under Canadian law."
The Muslim community has a responsibility to eradicate "cultural
practices"
that are not, in fact, based on Islam, she says. But Ottawa and the
province
also have to improve the education of new immigrants of both sexes on
their
legal rights in Canada.
Boyd is confident that a majority of Muslims will support her
recommendations.
As for critics who pledge to carry on the fight: "I would hate for them to
think we don't understand their fears." But formalizing the arbitration
process may mean "mitigating some of the injustices."
Writer Sally Armstrong, who has documented the lives of Muslim women in
several countries, says if Ontario proceeds, "it will open a Pandora's box
and the consequences will be grave. Sharia doesn't work.
"Religious laws belong in the mosque, the synagogue, the church - not in
the
legal system."


.
User: "Jane"

Title: Re: Here is what Muslim-Canadian women think of Sharia! 23 Dec 2004 09:20:33 AM
"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dctyd.28338$GK5.1421617@news20.bellglobal.com...


"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3osyd.13280$Z%3.799236@news20.bellglobal.com...

Note how this muslim woman refers to "sixth century religious ideals"!

Dec. 22, 2004. 01:00 AM

Sharia opponents fight on
`Faith-based tribunals' evoke fear, women say

Court challenge possible if amendments pass

LYNDA HURST
FEATURE WRITER

The fight to stop Muslim religious law being used to settle family
disputes
in Ontario is far from over.
Despite a report this week saying amendments to the Arbitration Act will
prevent abuse, the two women who spearheaded the opposition vow they'll
carry on the battle.
"The mere suggestion of `faith-based,' or sharia tribunals, causes an
atmosphere of fear among women from Islamic countries," says Homa
Arjomand,
head of the International Campaign To Stop Sharia Law in Canada.
Arjomand, who fled as a refugee from Iran's fundamentalist regime in

1989,

now counsels immigrant women, many of them Muslim victims of domestic
violence.
She says if the province accepts the controversial proposals of former
attorney-general Marion Boyd, it will face a confrontation in the

courts,

and possibly a Charter of Rights challenge from her organization.
The report says no evidence was found to show that women are being
discriminated against in the unofficial "faith-based arbitrations"

already

occurring. Boyd told the Toronto Star she had heard only from women who
had
bad experiences while living in "full sharia regimes," not Canada.
Arjomand says there are indeed cases here.
"Our lawyers are studying the decisions of several arbitrations and will
bring them to court to expose how women are victimized by sixth-century
religious traditions," she says.
Her group is now raising funds to return to Toronto a woman who had been
sent back to Pakistan by her husband after he divorced her and was

granted

custody of their three children in an unofficial sharia arbitration.
Paternal custody is customary in Islamic family law.
Arjomand is asking Muslim women who've experienced similar rulings to

take

courage and come forward. They can contact the campaign
(http://www.nosharia.com) in confidence.



BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
But check out the video of their leader, Homa Arjomand. She is a filthy
anti-Mohammad Iranian escapie.
http://www.nosharia.com/Homa-tvo.wmv

She's just spreading propaganda lies ***** about seeing her friend
getting stoned to death under sharia law.
And so are you, idiot anti-Islam activist supporter.

IJ.

And how would you know that it is *****? Very few muslim women have any
voice...I listen to the ones who speak up!
Jane


(Iranian Jean Gueron :-)



In a letter to Premier Dalton McGuinty, Alia Hogben, executive director

of

the 900-member Canadian Council of Muslims, says Boyd completely ignored
its
views and input:
"As believing Muslim women, we are in complete support of religious
accommodation, but accommodation has a limit when it affects the lives

of

women and children."
The council is asking for a meeting in early January with McGuinty,
Attorney-General Michael Bryant and Sandra Pupatello, minister

responsible

for women's issues, none of whom has commented on the report. The
government
is studying the report.
Boyd was asked by the provincial government to review the 1991

Arbitration

Act and assess whether a plan by the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice
to
use the guiding principles of their faith in settling marital and
inheritance disputes should be halted.
Hogben thinks Ontario should follow Quebec's lead in removing family law
from religious arbitrations. The safeguards it proposes instead - among
them, that participants must review in advance the faith-based

principles

to
be used and that arbitrators file decisions with the province - are

wholly

inadequate, she says:
"Whose faith-based principles? Who among the various section of the

Muslim

community will decide?"
Half of Canada's 650,000 Muslims live in Ontario and represent a range

of

Islamic sects, including Shia, Sunni and Sufi. Their interpretations of
sharia, the body of laws that evolved after the death of Mohammed in AD
632,
vary widely.
Hogben and Arjomand say they warned Boyd that some fundamentalist groups
look on the right to use Muslim law in family matters as only the start

of

a
longer-term campaign - to create an independent legal system for
Muslim-Canadians.
Boyd says one of the "real issues" she faced in three months of
consultations was the "aspirations of some individuals," but she was
assured
that these are viewed as "inappropriate" by the broader Muslim

community.

However, "if it turns out we see an erosion of rights, the government

will

have the data it needs to step in," she says.
"It stepped in with the practice of female circumcision in the early
1990s,
saying it was not acceptable under Canadian law."
The Muslim community has a responsibility to eradicate "cultural
practices"
that are not, in fact, based on Islam, she says. But Ottawa and the
province
also have to improve the education of new immigrants of both sexes on
their
legal rights in Canada.
Boyd is confident that a majority of Muslims will support her
recommendations.
As for critics who pledge to carry on the fight: "I would hate for them

to

think we don't understand their fears." But formalizing the arbitration
process may mean "mitigating some of the injustices."
Writer Sally Armstrong, who has documented the lives of Muslim women in
several countries, says if Ontario proceeds, "it will open a Pandora's

box

and the consequences will be grave. Sharia doesn't work.
"Religious laws belong in the mosque, the synagogue, the church - not in
the
legal system."




.

User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Here is what Muslim-Canadian women think of Sharia! 23 Dec 2004 07:56:50 AM
Where's N.O.W.?
Tony
.
User: "Jane"

Title: Re: Here is what Muslim-Canadian women think of Sharia! 23 Dec 2004 09:18:51 AM
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085650.21640.00002175@mb-m12.aol.com...

Where's N.O.W.?

Tony

Our version is called "National Action Commitee on the Status of Women" and
it has kind faded into the woodwork (thank God!) These radical feminists
love nothing better than to rant and rave, except when something legitimate
comes along, they ignore it.
Jane
.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Here is what Muslim-Canadian women think of Sharia! 23 Dec 2004 10:03:39 AM

"Jane"


wrote:


"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085650.21640.00002175@mb-m12.aol.com...

Where's N.O.W.?

Tony


Our version is called "National Action Commitee on the Status of Women" and
it has kind faded into the woodwork (thank God!) These radical feminists
love nothing better than to rant and rave, except when something legitimate
comes along, they ignore it.
Jane

That's because their main agenda is anti-Christian, anti-Western. These types
are closet masochists.
Tony
.





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