As if Columbine and Oklahoma have not taught us anything.
It appears that Musslim children are no more susceptible to the anguish
of growing up in modern society than and Christian (or other) child in
North America.
The latest findings in Britain seem to have given this 'full validity'!!!
When I was young, it was know as rebelling against the system - and it still is. Its
just that now, stealing a car is not enough.
As for ways to spot these types of 'deviations'. Believe it or not, it is no different
then
spotting you next High School Bomber!!! It is usually associated to 'above' average
students who feel cut off from the rest of the 'IN' crowd for reasons of
'indifference'
(or more commonly, they feel the need for their lifestyle to be different and the
only CORRECT
lifestyle).
Most parents refuse to spot these lifestyle changes in their 'offspring', and this is
where
the TRUE Problem is!
The Musslim Community that wishes for a better life here in North America should not
be held
fully accountable for the actions of their children. After all, they are just
bringing up their children the best the can, and their children are just falling into
the 'trap' of trying to fit in. The real problem lies in the ability for all parents
(and I mean "All Parents") to spot improper behavior of there Offspring.
"An once of prevention out measures a pound of obscure."
Working Towards A Better World For All Of Us.
:-(]
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25 Jul 2005 07:45:58 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
anything to the right of liberal is "far to
the Right." I question your self-proclaimed status of "moderate" due to
your conclusion that Rove committed treason, when there is no evidence
at this time to back up your claim. Even to merely "accuse" him of
treason at this point would make you an extremist.
You can try to twist things as much as you like, but the fact of the
matter is that exposing an undercover agent is a treasonous act, and
Rove admitted that he exposed her.
Please cite the law you're referring to, and the status of the person
in question at the time her name appeared in Novak's column.
2)I'd strongly suggest you review Rove's history of smearing and dirty
tricks, and the evidence in this case. He has admitted to discussing
Plame with reporters (in violation of US Law right there - even if he
"didn't know" the info was Classified) and at least one reporter has
identified Rove as the source. Being Bush's right hand man, he would
also necessarily be involved in the misrepresentation of Iraq
"intelligence" in order to bring about a war. Neither of these is quite
the "NOTHING" you so hope it to be.
B) And so the "moderate" Woods proclaims Rove's "act of treason" as if
it is a foregone conclusion. Yes, quite "moderate" of you.
Well, since Rove admitted that he outed her to the press, there's not
much else to call it - has nothing to do political labels.
My statment has to do with your self-described political label of
"moderate." Sorry, you're no moderate.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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25 Jul 2005 08:20:29 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
anything to the right of liberal is "far to
the Right." I question your self-proclaimed status of "moderate" due to
your conclusion that Rove committed treason, when there is no evidence
at this time to back up your claim. Even to merely "accuse" him of
treason at this point would make you an extremist.
You can try to twist things as much as you like, but the fact of the
matter is that exposing an undercover agent is a treasonous act, and
Rove admitted that he exposed her.
Please cite the law you're referring to, and the status of the person
in question at the time her name appeared in Novak's column.
2)I'd strongly suggest you review Rove's history of smearing and dirty
tricks, and the evidence in this case. He has admitted to discussing
Plame with reporters (in violation of US Law right there - even if he
"didn't know" the info was Classified) and at least one reporter has
identified Rove as the source. Being Bush's right hand man, he would
also necessarily be involved in the misrepresentation of Iraq
"intelligence" in order to bring about a war. Neither of these is quite
the "NOTHING" you so hope it to be.
B) And so the "moderate" Woods proclaims Rove's "act of treason" as if
it is a foregone conclusion. Yes, quite "moderate" of you.
Well, since Rove admitted that he outed her to the press, there's not
much else to call it - has nothing to do political labels.
My statment has to do with your self-described political label of
"moderate." Sorry, you're no moderate.
Well, then you must be of the opinion that there's no such thing as a
Moderate. Too bad for you.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
25 Jul 2005 09:28:10 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
anything to the right of liberal is "far to
the Right." I question your self-proclaimed status of "moderate" due to
your conclusion that Rove committed treason, when there is no evidence
at this time to back up your claim. Even to merely "accuse" him of
treason at this point would make you an extremist.
You can try to twist things as much as you like, but the fact of the
matter is that exposing an undercover agent is a treasonous act, and
Rove admitted that he exposed her.
Please cite the law you're referring to, and the status of the person
in question at the time her name appeared in Novak's column.
2)I'd strongly suggest you review Rove's history of smearing and dirty
tricks, and the evidence in this case. He has admitted to discussing
Plame with reporters (in violation of US Law right there - even if he
"didn't know" the info was Classified) and at least one reporter has
identified Rove as the source. Being Bush's right hand man, he would
also necessarily be involved in the misrepresentation of Iraq
"intelligence" in order to bring about a war. Neither of these is quite
the "NOTHING" you so hope it to be.
B) And so the "moderate" Woods proclaims Rove's "act of treason" as if
it is a foregone conclusion. Yes, quite "moderate" of you.
Well, since Rove admitted that he outed her to the press, there's not
much else to call it - has nothing to do political labels.
My statment has to do with your self-described political label of
"moderate." Sorry, you're no moderate.
Well, then you must be of the opinion that there's no such thing as a
Moderate. Too bad for you.
Not at all. I know moderate liberals. I know moderate conservatives.
You're neither.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
25 Jul 2005 09:37:48 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
anything to the right of liberal is "far to
the Right." I question your self-proclaimed status of "moderate" due to
your conclusion that Rove committed treason, when there is no evidence
at this time to back up your claim. Even to merely "accuse" him of
treason at this point would make you an extremist.
You can try to twist things as much as you like, but the fact of the
matter is that exposing an undercover agent is a treasonous act, and
Rove admitted that he exposed her.
Please cite the law you're referring to, and the status of the person
in question at the time her name appeared in Novak's column.
2)I'd strongly suggest you review Rove's history of smearing and dirty
tricks, and the evidence in this case. He has admitted to discussing
Plame with reporters (in violation of US Law right there - even if he
"didn't know" the info was Classified) and at least one reporter has
identified Rove as the source. Being Bush's right hand man, he would
also necessarily be involved in the misrepresentation of Iraq
"intelligence" in order to bring about a war. Neither of these is quite
the "NOTHING" you so hope it to be.
B) And so the "moderate" Woods proclaims Rove's "act of treason" as if
it is a foregone conclusion. Yes, quite "moderate" of you.
Well, since Rove admitted that he outed her to the press, there's not
much else to call it - has nothing to do political labels.
My statment has to do with your self-described political label of
"moderate." Sorry, you're no moderate.
Well, then you must be of the opinion that there's no such thing as a
Moderate. Too bad for you.
Not at all. I know moderate liberals. I know moderate conservatives.
You're neither.
You know. I know. She knows. He knows. We all know. Here's another label
.... slap it around.
If she's not a moderate of 'something' ... then what is she? An
EXTREMIST what? Woodsie doesn't really strike me as an extremist.
Overall she's pretty level headed and doesn't really profess anything
extremist, IMO.
Much of the world feels anyone who still supports Bush an extremist too.
You pulled out your 'Brother 911 Labeller' right after everyone got a
scent of blood on Brother Rove. Too bad. That's just politics.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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25 Jul 2005 07:48:56 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country instead.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
25 Jul 2005 08:04:17 PM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
25 Jul 2005 08:11:39 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Cheers!
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
25 Jul 2005 09:03:07 PM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civil=
ians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day whi=
le standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more =
people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the=
terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove th=
an we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren=
't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with K=
arl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a =
little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do=
with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how ma=
ny
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act=
of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason =
based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how =
you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame=B4 truth: That Joe Wilson lied
By Boston Herald Editorial Staff
Sunday, July 18, 2004
[excerpt] It's a good thing former Ambassador Joseph Wilson took
advantage of his 15 minutes of fame and already published his book
bashing President Bush [related, bio], ironically entitled the
``Politics of Truth.=B4=B4
It's not the best marketing strategy to have two governments
essentially call the author a liar.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report released last week about
intelligence missteps leading up to the war in Iraq were crystal clear
about Wilson's falsehoods.
Wilson's insistence that his wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, had
nothing to do with his selection to lead a pre-Iraq war mission to
Niger is a flat-out lie. She's the one who suggested Wilson in the
first place, according to documents unearthed by the congressional
committee. [end excerpt]
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=3D36030
Next, a hard news article from CBS News:
[excerpt] The Senate report also raises doubts about the veracity of
some of Wilson's statements. It says that he claimed in a Washington
Post article to have seen the documents purporting to prove the
Iraq-Niger link, when in fact he had not. It also says he falsely
claimed Vice President ***** Cheney was briefed on his Niger visit.
Wilson says the articles all quoted "anonymous sources" that "were
either misquoted or were misattributed to me."
In an addendum to the report, Roberts and two other Republicans accused
Wilson of providing "inaccurate, unsubstantiated and misleading"
information. [end excerpt]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/iraq/main560449.shtml
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
26 Jul 2005 04:39:37 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame� truth: That Joe Wilson lied
<snippity doo-dah >
Smokescreen/ distraction. What Wilson did or didn't do has nothing to
do with Rove's outing of a covert agent.
Woods
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
26 Jul 2005 05:37:32 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day
while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with
the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's
act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame� truth: That Joe Wilson lied
<snippity doo-dah >
Smokescreen/ distraction. What Wilson did or didn't do has nothing to
do with Rove's outing of a covert agent.
Woods
I know, I know ... I wasted a bit of bandwidth on that part ... oh well!!
This is one of the better scandals tho!! :-D
This one has real substance ( unlike a cumshot on a dress ).
A president who can't help but to remind us that 'We're a nation at War'
and that he's a 'War President' who praises his own efforts at defending
America's freedom. Then, his closet, most faithful and trusted advisor
is being investigated for revealing the name of a covert intelligence
agent, a treasonous act at that!!
Hot damn! Doesn't get much better then this!
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
26 Jul 2005 06:25:54 PM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other
day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER
with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to
Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything
left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand
knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame� truth: That Joe Wilson lied
<snippity doo-dah >
Smokescreen/ distraction. What Wilson did or didn't do has nothing to
do with Rove's outing of a covert agent.
Woods
I know, I know ... I wasted a bit of bandwidth on that part ... oh well!!
This is one of the better scandals tho!! :-D
This one has real substance ( unlike a cumshot on a dress ).
A president who can't help but to remind us that 'We're a nation at War'
and that he's a 'War President' who praises his own efforts at defending
America's freedom. Then, his closet, most faithful and trusted advisor
is being investigated for revealing the name of a covert intelligence
agent, a treasonous act at that!!
Hot damn! Doesn't get much better then this!
Yup. And the coup des gras is that the memo with Plame's name on it,
marked Secret, was taken on Air Force One shortly before Rove leaked it
(about 2 weeks before it was first published).
Bush would never have a trail to him, but it sure makes it look like
Bush is very, very close to the leak in more ways than one.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
26 Jul 2005 10:18:43 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other
day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER
with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to
Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything
left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand
knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame? truth: That Joe Wilson lied
<snippity doo-dah >
Smokescreen/ distraction. What Wilson did or didn't do has nothing to
do with Rove's outing of a covert agent.
Woods
I know, I know ... I wasted a bit of bandwidth on that part ... oh well!!
This is one of the better scandals tho!! :-D
This one has real substance ( unlike a cumshot on a dress ).
A president who can't help but to remind us that 'We're a nation at War'
and that he's a 'War President' who praises his own efforts at defending
America's freedom. Then, his closet, most faithful and trusted advisor
is being investigated for revealing the name of a covert intelligence
agent, a treasonous act at that!!
Hot damn! Doesn't get much better then this!
Yup. And the coup des gras is that the memo with Plame's name on it,
marked Secret, was taken on Air Force One shortly before Rove leaked it
(about 2 weeks before it was first published).
Bush would never have a trail to him, but it sure makes it look like
Bush is very, very close to the leak in more ways than one.
Why don't you increase your moderation just a bit, and you can convict
Bush of treason too!
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
27 Jul 2005 04:24:57 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other
day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER
with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to
Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything
left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand
knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame? truth: That Joe Wilson lied
<snippity doo-dah >
Smokescreen/ distraction. What Wilson did or didn't do has nothing to
do with Rove's outing of a covert agent.
Woods
I know, I know ... I wasted a bit of bandwidth on that part ... oh well!!
This is one of the better scandals tho!! :-D
This one has real substance ( unlike a cumshot on a dress ).
A president who can't help but to remind us that 'We're a nation at War'
and that he's a 'War President' who praises his own efforts at defending
America's freedom. Then, his closet, most faithful and trusted advisor
is being investigated for revealing the name of a covert intelligence
agent, a treasonous act at that!!
Hot damn! Doesn't get much better then this!
Yup. And the coup des gras is that the memo with Plame's name on it,
marked Secret, was taken on Air Force One shortly before Rove leaked it
(about 2 weeks before it was first published).
Bush would never have a trail to him, but it sure makes it look like
Bush is very, very close to the leak in more ways than one.
Why don't you increase your moderation just a bit, and you can convict
Bush of treason too!
If you don't think deliberately lying to Congress and the American
People in order to start an unecessary war is treason, then it's clear
that you aren't clear on what treason is really all about. But hey,
we'll be big and forgive you, we know that Bushies have brainwashing
problems ...
Woods
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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25 Jul 2005 09:23:13 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq, aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame� truth: That Joe Wilson lied
By Boston Herald Editorial Staff
Sunday, July 18, 2004
[excerpt] It's a good thing former Ambassador Joseph Wilson took
advantage of his 15 minutes of fame and already published his book
bashing President Bush [related, bio], ironically entitled the
``Politics of Truth.��
It's not the best marketing strategy to have two governments
essentially call the author a liar.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report released last week about
intelligence missteps leading up to the war in Iraq were crystal clear
about Wilson's falsehoods.
Wilson's insistence that his wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, had
nothing to do with his selection to lead a pre-Iraq war mission to
Niger is a flat-out lie. She's the one who suggested Wilson in the
first place, according to documents unearthed by the congressional
committee. [end excerpt]
Did he lie about the White House overstating Iraq's WMDs? This does
nothing as far as discrediting his original NYT Op-Ed piece.
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=36030
Next, a hard news article from CBS News:
[excerpt] The Senate report also raises doubts about the veracity of
some of Wilson's statements. It says that he claimed in a Washington
Post article to have seen the documents purporting to prove the
Iraq-Niger link, when in fact he had not. It also says he falsely
claimed Vice President ***** Cheney was briefed on his Niger visit.
Wilson says the articles all quoted "anonymous sources" that "were
either misquoted or were misattributed to me."
In an addendum to the report, Roberts and two other Republicans accused
Wilson of providing "inaccurate, unsubstantiated and misleading"
information. [end excerpt]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/iraq/main560449.shtml
A CBS report quoting Republicans.
It seems you're trying to discredit Wilson. Why? Seems somewhat
'Rovian'. I've read nothing in what you've quoted here that discredits
Wilson's original op-ed piece, if that's your intent.
The President himself used the unfounded Iraq-Niger link in his State Of
The Union address. The CIA later stated it was inappropriate for the
President to have used that data. They could have warned him months in
advance of the address. But the CIA cleared the speech anyhow. I have no
idea as to why they would have knowingly cleared unsubstantiated
intelligence data in a State of the Union speech.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
26 Jul 2005 04:44:53 PM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day
while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with
the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's
act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame� truth: That Joe Wilson lied
By Boston Herald Editorial Staff
Sunday, July 18, 2004
[excerpt] It's a good thing former Ambassador Joseph Wilson took
advantage of his 15 minutes of fame and already published his book
bashing President Bush [related, bio], ironically entitled the
``Politics of Truth.��
It's not the best marketing strategy to have two governments
essentially call the author a liar.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report released last week about
intelligence missteps leading up to the war in Iraq were crystal clear
about Wilson's falsehoods.
Wilson's insistence that his wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, had
nothing to do with his selection to lead a pre-Iraq war mission to
Niger is a flat-out lie. She's the one who suggested Wilson in the
first place, according to documents unearthed by the congressional
committee. [end excerpt]
Did he lie about the White House overstating Iraq's WMDs? This does
nothing as far as discrediting his original NYT Op-Ed piece.
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=36030
Next, a hard news article from CBS News:
[excerpt] The Senate report also raises doubts about the veracity of
some of Wilson's statements. It says that he claimed in a Washington
Post article to have seen the documents purporting to prove the
Iraq-Niger link, when in fact he had not. It also says he falsely
claimed Vice President ***** Cheney was briefed on his Niger visit.
Wilson says the articles all quoted "anonymous sources" that "were
either misquoted or were misattributed to me."
In an addendum to the report, Roberts and two other Republicans accused
Wilson of providing "inaccurate, unsubstantiated and misleading"
information. [end excerpt]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/iraq/main560449.shtml
A CBS report quoting Republicans.
It seems you're trying to discredit Wilson. Why?
It looks like he's a member of the Bushie cult, where Black is White and
White is Black - if Bush says so.
Seems somewhat
'Rovian'. I've read nothing in what you've quoted here that discredits
Wilson's original op-ed piece, if that's your intent.
The President himself used the unfounded Iraq-Niger link in his State Of
The Union address. The CIA later stated it was inappropriate for the
President to have used that data. They could have warned him months in
advance of the address. But the CIA cleared the speech anyhow. I have no
idea as to why they would have knowingly cleared unsubstantiated
intelligence data in a State of the Union speech.
The CIA came out shortly after Wilson's piece and stated it ought not to
have been included. Also, if you recall the go-rounds after tge bruhaha
broke, the White House sent the speech to the CIA a number of times,
reinserting the statement after the CIA took them out, and the CIA
finally settled for watering down the claims Bush was trying to make.
Woods
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26 Jul 2005 10:16:09 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day
while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with
the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's
act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity leaked to the press shortly after his New
York Times op-ed piece.
Seems bad enough to this 'leftist'.
Here's some different information:
First, an pinion piece from the Boston Herald:
The `Plame? truth: That Joe Wilson lied
By Boston Herald Editorial Staff
Sunday, July 18, 2004
[excerpt] It's a good thing former Ambassador Joseph Wilson took
advantage of his 15 minutes of fame and already published his book
bashing President Bush [related, bio], ironically entitled the
``Politics of Truth.??
It's not the best marketing strategy to have two governments
essentially call the author a liar.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report released last week about
intelligence missteps leading up to the war in Iraq were crystal clear
about Wilson's falsehoods.
Wilson's insistence that his wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, had
nothing to do with his selection to lead a pre-Iraq war mission to
Niger is a flat-out lie. She's the one who suggested Wilson in the
first place, according to documents unearthed by the congressional
committee. [end excerpt]
Did he lie about the White House overstating Iraq's WMDs? This does
nothing as far as discrediting his original NYT Op-Ed piece.
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=36030
Next, a hard news article from CBS News:
[excerpt] The Senate report also raises doubts about the veracity of
some of Wilson's statements. It says that he claimed in a Washington
Post article to have seen the documents purporting to prove the
Iraq-Niger link, when in fact he had not. It also says he falsely
claimed Vice President ***** Cheney was briefed on his Niger visit.
Wilson says the articles all quoted "anonymous sources" that "were
either misquoted or were misattributed to me."
In an addendum to the report, Roberts and two other Republicans accused
Wilson of providing "inaccurate, unsubstantiated and misleading"
information. [end excerpt]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/iraq/main560449.shtml
A CBS report quoting Republicans.
It seems you're trying to discredit Wilson. Why?
It looks like he's a member of the Bushie cult, where Black is White and
White is Black - if Bush says so.
No, I'm merely pointing out your lack of moderation, which you don't
seem to want to acknowledge. I'm sure you still believe you're a
moderate, but you're not.
Seems somewhat
'Rovian'. I've read nothing in what you've quoted here that discredits
Wilson's original op-ed piece, if that's your intent.
The President himself used the unfounded Iraq-Niger link in his State Of
The Union address. The CIA later stated it was inappropriate for the
President to have used that data. They could have warned him months in
advance of the address. But the CIA cleared the speech anyhow. I have no
idea as to why they would have knowingly cleared unsubstantiated
intelligence data in a State of the Union speech.
The CIA came out shortly after Wilson's piece and stated it ought not to
have been included. Also, if you recall the go-rounds after tge bruhaha
broke, the White House sent the speech to the CIA a number of times,
reinserting the statement after the CIA took them out, and the CIA
finally settled for watering down the claims Bush was trying to make.
He claimed British Intelligence said Saddam tried to buy uranium from
Niger. And guess what? British Intelligence STILL believes Saddam tried
to buy uranium from Niger.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: How To Spot Your Neighborhood Terrorist. |
27 Jul 2005 04:21:28 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
What force in this world is PURPOSELY killing innocent
civilians in
Iraq? Who was that guy who blew himself up the other day
while standing
next to a gasoline tanker truck? That one blast killed
more people than
the four London terrorist bombs. Where is the ANGER with
the terrorists
in Iraq? Oh that's right, we're more angry with Karl
Rove than we are
with terrorist murderers of innocent civilians in Iraq,
aren't we you
bunch of wonderful humanitarian leftists?
What does Karl Rove have to do with terrorists in Iraq?
Not a damned thing.
::: coffee spew :::
*sigh*
Of course that's your reaction, because you're more angry
with Karl
Rove than you are with the murderous terrorists.
Heh. Using what's known as a Excluded Middle argument to
blow a little
smoke around, are you? In fact, one has nothing whatsoever
to do with
the other, but an almost nice try.
By the way, when Bush lied, Americans died. We don't know
how many
operatives or informants were killed or injured due to Rove's
act of
treason ...
And you're a moderate? You have already convicted Rove of
treason based
on ... NOTHING! Yeah, that is very moderate of you.
1) Since you're rather far to the Right, I can well understand
how you
personally may assume that a Moderate is Left. Everything left of
Conservative is "left".
A) Since you're a leftist,
Incorrect. I'm an Old Guard Republican.
You may have started out as an old guard Republican, but you're a
dedictated leftist now.
And you've become blinded by ideology.
No more than you, or Woods, or Lemke -- we're just looking at things
from a different perspective.
Things have changed quite a bit since 9-11 and none for the better.
You may choose to support your Leader thru thick and thin. But others
have abandoned him and The Party for the sake of their country
instead.
I'm not supporting anyone through thick and thin. The grand jury is
still out on this Rove thing, and for Woods to proclaim he has
committed an "act of treason" is extreme. That's my point.
Maybe a 'potential' act of treason might be better.
Sure, if you could actually make a case for what laws he might have
broken, and then make a case for how breaking those laws could rise to
the level of treason in the US.
The fact that someone so closely tied to the President in a time of war
is being investigated for potential treasonous acts is where the real
controversy lies.
American soldiers are dying in Iraq. Joseph Wilson accused the White
House of overstating Iraq's WMD threat based on his first hand knowledge
of the alleged Iraqi uranium purchases from Niger. His wife, a covert
CIA agent, had her identity l | | | | | | | | | |
