"WH"

"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031024045645.14077.00000047@mb-m29.aol.com...

Here we are almost 5 months after the fall of
Baghdad and we've just found this huge
cache of SAM'a and other weapons.

WMD can be hidden just as easily, and in much
smaller places.

Tony

Rubbish...clutching at straws >again...sigh!!!
WH

Shasta wrote:
he's probably clever, corrupt and
self-serving. I think he sold out this
country and the lives of our troops for
his one term in office and the
perpetuation of his family's source of
wealth--and hopefully that's all he'll get.

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20031024045645.14077.00000047@mb-m29.aol.com>...

Here we are almost 5 months after the fall of
Baghdad and we've just found this huge
cache of SAM'a and other weapons.

WMD can be hidden just as easily, and in much
smaller places.

Tony

Hey Tony,

As you (should) know, I supported the war based on two
administrations' access to information-gathering resources of which I
have knowledge, but to which I no longer have access. Having worked
directly for and reported directly to the NSA, I know the U.S. has
awesome capability if we know what we are looking for and where to
look--as was and is the case in Iraq. Given the intelligence
agencies' capabilities and target(s), I can't believe we ever had
concrete evidence of WMDs or a WMD-development program in Iraq, and
have not been able to find anything. Five months...they should have
found them in days.

Bush started the war rhetoric during the campaign. My guess is he had
obligations to people/organizations/lobbies which included a
large-scale attack on Iraq. Members of the Bush administration either
fabricated or spread bogus threat warnings to the public to sell
Bush's war. Look back at the adminstration's rhetoric. Bush appealed
to 3 very powerful emotions of the American public--fear, pride and
revenge. He scared the public by suggesting the ultimate
threat--WMDs. He appealed to our pride and goodness in suggesting a
comparison between Hitler and Saddam, and he appealed to our sense of
vengence in bringing up the sorest spot in the American psyche--9/11.
Bush did everything he could to appeal to the largest portion of the
American public for support of the war. I knew he was doing this. I
know how to recognize rhetoric, but I honestly thought Bush had a
better reason than economics or domestic politics. If he did, he
can't or won't show us.

I think Bush needed to appease two main lobby interests. I think
companies and/or individuals assosiated with the defense industry
contributed a lot to his campaign. And, I think he probably received
funding from reactionary Judeo-Christian fundementalists who see Iraq
as a serious threat to Israel. Remember, Clinton used the same
anti-Sadam rhetoric and he most likely also received funds from the
more liberal Jewish/Israeli lobby. In the process of deposing Saddam,
America gets its hands on another large oil reserve which will ensure
America's continued dependence on oil, thereby serving the interests
of the Bush family. Some may see these statements as anti-semetic,
but remember: it's one thing to condemn those who would do anything
for their view of Israel's best interests (like the nutcase American
Jewish fundementalist who shot Rabin), it's quite another to condemn
all Jews. I'm indicting the nuts.

The real movers and shakers behind the Bush adminstration used George
and his unfortunate retinue to sell the American people a bill of war
goods. We never see who really benefits from this war, only the sad
administration left holding bag now that the truth has finally become
evident.

Bottom line: we made a huge mistake, and we should show why America is
the greatest country in the world by recognizing that mistake and
doing our best to make things right--starting with giving up our
control of that oil. We should hand over rebuilding contracts and
control of oil reserves to the U.N.--if they'd have it. I don't want
to see the American taxpayer foot the bill. I'd rather see the bomb
builders, the cruise missle factories, et al. pay for it.

Although I wouldnt ever vote for an oil man, unlike some of my more
liberal friends, I don't think Bush is an idiot. I don't think he's
the antichrist or evil incarnate. However, I know he's a wealthy
successful politician, which means he's probably clever, corrupt and
self-serving. I think he sold out this country and the lives of our
troops for his one term in office and the perpetuation of his family's
source of wealth--and hopefully that's all he'll get.

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20031024045645.14077.00000047@mb-m29.aol.com>...

Here we are almost 5 months after the fall of
Baghdad and we've just found this huge
cache of SAM'a and other weapons.

WMD can be hidden just as easily, and in much
smaller places.

Tony

Hey Tony,

As you (should) know, I supported the war based on two
administrations' access to information-gathering resources of which I
have knowledge, but to which I no longer have access. Having worked
directly for and reported directly to the NSA, I know the U.S. has
awesome capability if we know what we are looking for and where to
look--as was and is the case in Iraq. Given the intelligence
agencies' capabilities and target(s), I can't believe we ever had
concrete evidence of WMDs or a WMD-development program in Iraq, and
have not been able to find anything. Five months...they should have
found them in days.

Bush started the war rhetoric during the campaign. My guess is he had
obligations to people/organizations/lobbies which included a
large-scale attack on Iraq. Members of the Bush administration either
fabricated or spread bogus threat warnings to the public to sell
Bush's war. Look back at the adminstration's rhetoric. Bush appealed
to 3 very powerful emotions of the American public--fear, pride and
revenge. He scared the public by suggesting the ultimate
threat--WMDs. He appealed to our pride and goodness in suggesting a
comparison between Hitler and Saddam, and he appealed to our sense of
vengence in bringing up the sorest spot in the American psyche--9/11.
Bush did everything he could to appeal to the largest portion of the
American public for support of the war. I knew he was doing this. I
know how to recognize rhetoric, but I honestly thought Bush had a
better reason than economics or domestic politics. If he did, he
can't or won't show us.

I think Bush needed to appease two main lobby interests. I think
companies and/or individuals assosiated with the defense industry
contributed a lot to his campaign. And, I think he probably received
funding from reactionary Judeo-Christian fundementalists who see Iraq
as a serious threat to Israel. Remember, Clinton used the same
anti-Sadam rhetoric and he most likely also received funds from the
more liberal Jewish/Israeli lobby. In the process of deposing Saddam,
America gets its hands on another large oil reserve which will ensure
America's continued dependence on oil, thereby serving the interests
of the Bush family. Some may see these statements as anti-semetic,
but remember: it's one thing to condemn those who would do anything
for their view of Israel's best interests (like the nutcase American
Jewish fundementalist who shot Rabin), it's quite another to condemn
all Jews. I'm indicting the nuts.

The real movers and shakers behind the Bush adminstration used George
and his unfortunate retinue to sell the American people a bill of war
goods. We never see who really benefits from this war, only the sad
administration left holding bag now that the truth has finally become
evident.

Bottom line: we made a huge mistake, and we should show why America is
the greatest country in the world by recognizing that mistake and
doing our best to make things right--starting with giving up our
control of that oil. We should hand over rebuilding contracts and
control of oil reserves to the U.N.--if they'd have it. I don't want
to see the American taxpayer foot the bill. I'd rather see the bomb
builders, the cruise missle factories, et al. pay for it.

Although I wouldnt ever vote for an oil man, unlike some of my more
liberal friends, I don't think Bush is an idiot. I don't think he's
the antichrist or evil incarnate. However, I know he's a wealthy
successful politician, which means he's probably clever, corrupt and
self-serving. I think he sold out this country and the lives of our
troops for his one term in office and the perpetuation of his family's
source of wealth--and hopefully that's all he'll get.

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20031024045645.14077.00000047@mb-m29.aol.com>...

Here we are almost 5 months after the fall of
Baghdad and we've just found this huge
cache of SAM'a and other weapons.

WMD can be hidden just as easily, and in much
smaller places.

Tony

Hey Tony,
As you (should) know, I supported the war based on two
administrations' access to information-gathering resources of which I
have knowledge, but to which I no longer have access. Having worked
directly for and reported directly to the NSA, I know the U.S. has
awesome capability if we know what we are looking for and where to
look--as was and is the case in Iraq. Given the intelligence
agencies' capabilities and target(s), I can't believe we ever had
concrete evidence of WMDs or a WMD-development program in Iraq, and
have not been able to find anything. Five months...they should have
found them in days.
Bush started the war rhetoric during the campaign. My guess is he had
obligations to people/organizations/lobbies which included a
large-scale attack on Iraq. Members of the Bush administration either
fabricated or spread bogus threat warnings to the public to sell
Bush's war. Look back at the adminstration's rhetoric. Bush appealed
to 3 very powerful emotions of the American public--fear, pride and
revenge. He scared the public by suggesting the ultimate
threat--WMDs. He appealed to our pride and goodness in suggesting a
comparison between Hitler and Saddam, and he appealed to our sense of
vengence in bringing up the sorest spot in the American psyche--9/11.
Bush did everything he could to appeal to the largest portion of the
American public for support of the war. I knew he was doing this. I
know how to recognize rhetoric, but I honestly thought Bush had a
better reason than economics or domestic politics. If he did, he
can't or won't show us.
I think Bush needed to appease two main lobby interests. I think
companies and/or individuals assosiated with the defense industry
contributed a lot to his campaign. And, I think he probably received
funding from reactionary Judeo-Christian fundementalists who see Iraq
as a serious threat to Israel. Remember, Clinton used the same
anti-Sadam rhetoric and he most likely also received funds from the
more liberal Jewish/Israeli lobby. In the process of deposing Saddam,
America gets its hands on another large oil reserve which will ensure
America's continued dependence on oil, thereby serving the interests
of the Bush family. Some may see these statements as anti-semetic,
but remember: it's one thing to condemn those who would do anything
for their view of Israel's best interests (like the nutcase American
Jewish fundementalist who shot Rabin), it's quite another to condemn
all Jews. I'm indicting the nuts.
The real movers and shakers behind the Bush adminstration used George
and his unfortunate retinue to sell the American people a bill of war
goods. We never see who really benefits from this war, only the sad
administration left holding bag now that the truth has finally become
evident.
Bottom line: we made a huge mistake, and we should show why America is
the greatest country in the world by recognizing that mistake and
doing our best to make things right--starting with giving up our
control of that oil. We should hand over rebuilding contracts and
control of oil reserves to the U.N.--if they'd have it. I don't want
to see the American taxpayer foot the bill. I'd rather see the bomb
builders, the cruise missle factories, et al. pay for it.
Although I wouldnt ever vote for an oil man, unlike some of my more
liberal friends, I don't think Bush is an idiot. I don't think he's
the antichrist or evil incarnate. However, I know he's a wealthy
successful politician, which means he's probably clever, corrupt and
self-serving. I think he sold out this country and the lives of our
troops for his one term in office and the perpetuation of his family's
source of wealth--and hopefully that's all he'll get.

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun)

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

Here we are almost 5 months after the fall of
Baghdad and we've just found this huge
cache of SAM'a and other weapons.

WMD can be hidden just as easily, and in much
smaller places.

But only if (1)they actually even exist >and, (2)are NOT an imminent threat as
claimed.
We were lied to.
Woods

We were lied to.

Woods