Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
Sami Al-Hussayen left Boise's federal courthouse Thursday with a smile, as if
he didn't even notice the shackles on his hands.
After seven days of deliberations, jurors found the University of Idaho
graduate student not guilty of the three terrorism-related charges against him
and two of the 11 visa and immigration fraud charges, which negated another
charge. Jurors deadlocked on the remaining charges, prompting U.S. District
Judge Edward Lodge to declare a mistrial on those charges.
Al-Hussayen remains in jail under a deportation order issued in 2003. Federal
prosecutors now must decide whether to retry Al-Hussayen on the remaining visa
charges or drop the case and allow immigration officials to deport him to his
native Saudi Arabia. U.S. Attorney for Idaho Tom Moss said Thursday he was
unsure how prosecutors will proceed.
The verdicts were sweet victory for Al-Hussayen, said lead defense attorney
David Nevin.
"We have known all along Sami was not guilty of these charges," he said. "It's
such a relief and a pleasure to have the jury come to this conclusion."
Nevin also said the verdicts were important for Web site managers and others
who care about free speech. Al-Hussayen was accused of supporting terrorist
groups by posting e-mails, messages and other material on Web sites he managed
for an Islamic outreach group.
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful in this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Nevin also said "the worst words" offered into evidence were not from
Al-Hussayen: "They were the words of other people."
Jury couldn't make the jump
Federal prosecutors spent more than six weeks trying to establish a link
between Al-Hussayen, the Web sites he maintained and terror groups. They also
tried to prove that Al-Hussayen posted information online with "knowledge and
intent" it would be used to get money and recruits for terror groups.
But at least two jurors said they were confused by the prosecution evidence,
and they didn't find any indication of a direct connection between Al-Hussayen
and terror groups.
"I'm still kind of frustrated by the whole thing," said juror Donna Palmer.
"There was no clear evidence. ... We couldn't find the trail. A lot of times I
wondered 'where was this going?' There was nothing concrete."
"I could see where the government was going with this case, but some of the
stepping stones were pretty far apart. And we were uncomfortable making that
jump."
Moss said he was disappointed with the verdict, but not with the jurors' hard
work. Moss also said prosecutors did a great job, and he would not have changed
the way they handled the case.
"Our legal system worked. It didn't work out the way some of us would have
liked, but it worked," Moss said.
"Material support (of terrorism) is a difficult charge to prove. ... It isn't
like a case where you find fingerprints on a bomb."
Moss said he does not think the not-guilty verdicts for Al-Hussayen weaken the
"war against terrorism" or will deter future terrorism prosecutions.
Relief in the courtroom
The verdicts came shortly before noon in a courtroom filled with journalists,
court employees, and other onlookers.
The courtroom was silent as Lodge read the verdicts. Al-Hussayen stood, arms
folded and eyes fixed on the judge for the first two not-guilty verdicts. When
the jury acquitted him on the final terrorism charge, Nevin grabbed
Al-Hussayen's arm and the defendant flashed a bright smile. He continued
smiling as Lodge read two more not-guilty verdicts.
When Lodge finished, Al-Hussayen looked directly at jurors, nodded his head and
smiled. He embraced Nevin.
Later, when the courtroom began to clear out, Al-Hussayen laughed and waved to
supporters, who stood in groups shaking hands and talking. Al-Hussayen's smile
was still there when he was led out of the courtroom in handcuffs.
"That was the reaction of a man who is at peace with himself," said Marwan
Mossaad of Boise, a friend of Al-Hussayen at the University of Idaho. "He's
pretty calm and happy about it. ... He knows he has done nothing wrong."
Mossaad, who attended parts of the 26-day trial, said his friend's acquittal
came as no surprise. Immediately after the verdicts, Mossaad used his cell
phone to inform friends in Moscow. After talking with reporters, Mossaad ran to
his car to continue spreading the news.
"This has taken the last year and a half of his life, and it's going to take
him a while to catch up," Mossaad said. "But we're all relieved it's over. This
is a happy day."
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12 Jun 2004 11:24:57 AM |
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Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist "stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
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13 Jun 2004 12:34:31 AM |
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somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist "stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to negate free
speech.
J.
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14 Jun 2004 04:52:46 AM |
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somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free speech?
How is he a terrorist?
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14 Jun 2004 09:16:25 AM |
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tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious? Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
J.
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| User: "tw" |
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15 Jun 2004 01:47:19 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:HHRyc.17363822$Id.2868553@news.easynews.com...
somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to
negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the
justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free
speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious?
Absolutely. "Those who woudl sacrifice liberty for security deserve
neither"-
Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network
that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
So how come the jury found him not guilty if it's so cut and dried, Jean? It
appears he has DONE nothing wrong:
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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15 Jun 2004 05:17:25 AM |
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tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to
negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the
justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free
speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious?
Absolutely. "Those who woudl sacrifice liberty for security deserve
neither"-
Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network
that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
So how come the jury found him not guilty if it's so cut and dried, Jean? It
appears he has DONE nothing wrong:
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
What are you talking about tw? He has not been tried yet.
In addition to the three terrorism charges, Hussayen is charged with 11 counts
of false statements and visa fraud. The trial is expected to last six weeks.
Read the damn charges and weep...:
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/usalhussyn304sind2.pdf
J.
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15 Jun 2004 06:49:18 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Yqizc.6595780$iA2.749867@news.easynews.com...
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:HHRyc.17363822$Id.2868553@news.easynews.com...
somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and
meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought
to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of
free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to
negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the
justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people
without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free
speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious?
Absolutely. "Those who woudl sacrifice liberty for security deserve
neither"-
Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network
that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
So how come the jury found him not guilty if it's so cut and dried,
Jean? It
appears he has DONE nothing wrong:
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
What are you talking about tw? He has not been tried yet.
Err.. did you read the article?
"Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock"
In addition to the three terrorism charges, Hussayen is charged with 11
counts
of false statements and visa fraud. The trial is expected to last six
weeks.
What does visa fraud have to do with terrorism? This guy has been found NOT
GUILTY on all the charges relating to terrorism. Why do you insist in
wallowing in your own ignoritude?
Read the damn charges and weep...:
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/usalhussyn304sind2.pdf
Yes, he has been found NOT GUILTY of the terrorism charges, it's all in the
original article:
"Federal prosecutors now must decide whether to retry Al-Hussayen on the
remaining visa
charges or drop the case and allow immigration officials to deport him to
his
native Saudi Arabia. U.S. Attorney for Idaho Tom Moss said Thursday he was
unsure how prosecutors will proceed."
I really wonder about you sometimes Jean...
(let the snipping and ignoring being)
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16 Jun 2004 01:00:01 AM |
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He still is a fucking terrorist. But you are right, he is like the terrorists
losers here, he is a virtual terrorist. Even less since the four fatwas Hussayen
posted from Saudi sheikhs extolling suicide martyrdom attacks did not represent
his views, apparently. But i am sure ihe is lying, like people here who would
pretend the same. If they post it they have a reason. But it's true that
computer support or other unusual forms of support that are not traditionally
conceived of as criminal activity -- it's not like he provided guns.
The prosecutors could not use the argument that Hussayen knew or intended for
people to act on the jihadist materials he disseminated, but on whether he knew
and intended that his Web site work would aid terrorists or terrorist
organizations in general.
It is still pretty obvious that he knew, even if he is braindead like the
similar losers on this NG. Just that in his case, the jury concluded that "you
can print material that advocates illegal action [and] if by printing it doesn't
cause people to take imminent action, you are protected."
It is still the case that the government charged in its indictment that Hussayen
"knew and intended that the material support he provided [was] to be used in
preparation for, and to commit, violations of federal law involving murder,
maiming, kidnapping, and the destruction of property." He was accused of
conspiracy and providing support to terrorists in Chechnya and Israel, and of
conspiracy to raise funds for the military wing of the Islamic Resistance
Movement, also known as Hamas. How much more terrorist can you get???
This is a terrorist that gets off on a technicality. But U.S. Attorney Thomas E.
Moss said in an interview that his office is disappointed but determined to
pursue terrorism cases aggressively.
Quote: "For terrorists to flourish, they have got to have more than people who
will strap on bombs. They need to recruit, and what better way to recruit than
through the use of the Internet?" Moss said. "This verdict is not going to deter
us."
A jury of four men and eight women deliberated for a week on the three material
support charges and 11 counts of false statements and visa fraud. The jury
acquitted Hussayen on three of the lesser charges and deadlocked on eight
others. Moss said his office will decide over the next week whether to retry
Hussayen on the undecided visa counts. Hussayen has been in jail for more than a
year and will remain there pending deportation proceedings. He did not testify
at the trial.
Next one who posts fatwas extolling suicide martyrdom attacks will get it,
hopefully. This one is shipped back tho his fucking hole anyway. Some get
lucky... Bad jury, can do that.
Next time the jury will be selected with more care.
J.
tw a écrit:
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tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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tw a écrit:
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somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and
meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought
to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of
free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to
negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the
justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people
without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free
speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious?
Absolutely. "Those who woudl sacrifice liberty for security deserve
neither"-
Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network
that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
So how come the jury found him not guilty if it's so cut and dried,
Jean? It
appears he has DONE nothing wrong:
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
What are you talking about tw? He has not been tried yet.
Err.. did you read the article?
"Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock"
In addition to the three terrorism charges, Hussayen is charged with 11
counts
of false statements and visa fraud. The trial is expected to last six
weeks.
What does visa fraud have to do with terrorism? This guy has been found NOT
GUILTY on all the charges relating to terrorism. Why do you insist in
wallowing in your own ignoritude?
Read the damn charges and weep...:
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/usalhussyn304sind2.pdf
Yes, he has been found NOT GUILTY of the terrorism charges, it's all in the
original article:
"Federal prosecutors now must decide whether to retry Al-Hussayen on the
remaining visa
charges or drop the case and allow immigration officials to deport him to
his
native Saudi Arabia. U.S. Attorney for Idaho Tom Moss said Thursday he was
unsure how prosecutors will proceed."
I really wonder about you sometimes Jean...
(let the snipping and ignoring being)
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16 Jun 2004 03:02:39 AM |
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He still is a fucking terrorist.
Nope, he was cleared of the terrorism charges. He is an illegal immigrant,
that's all.
But you are right,
I usually am in discussions with you..
This is a terrorist that gets off on a technicality.
Being found "not guilty" by a jury of twelve good men and true is hardly a
"technicality"
Next time the jury will be selected with more care.
What a chilling statement. You'd have loved Hitler's Germany.
J.
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somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and
meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First
Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We
ought
to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of
free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to
negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the
justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people
without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free
speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious?
Absolutely. "Those who woudl sacrifice liberty for security deserve
neither"-
Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network
that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
So how come the jury found him not guilty if it's so cut and dried,
Jean? It
appears he has DONE nothing wrong:
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
What are you talking about tw? He has not been tried yet.
Err.. did you read the article?
"Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock"
In addition to the three terrorism charges, Hussayen is charged with 11
counts
of false statements and visa fraud. The trial is expected to last six
weeks.
What does visa fraud have to do with terrorism? This guy has been found
NOT
GUILTY on all the charges relating to terrorism. Why do you insist in
wallowing in your own ignoritude?
Read the damn charges and weep...:
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/usalhussyn304sind2.pdf
Yes, he has been found NOT GUILTY of the terrorism charges, it's all in
the
original article:
"Federal prosecutors now must decide whether to retry Al-Hussayen on the
remaining visa
charges or drop the case and allow immigration officials to deport him
to
his
native Saudi Arabia. U.S. Attorney for Idaho Tom Moss said Thursday he
was
unsure how prosecutors will proceed."
I really wonder about you sometimes Jean...
(let the snipping and ignoring being)
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: I'll bet that he posts in this newgroup |
17 Jun 2004 03:10:01 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:02:39 +0200, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:BlRzc.17555553$Id.2896659@news.easynews.com...
He still is a fucking terrorist.
Nope, he was cleared of the terrorism charges. He is an illegal immigrant,
that's all.
But you are right,
I usually am in discussions with you..
This is a terrorist that gets off on a technicality.
Being found "not guilty" by a jury of twelve good men and true is hardly a
"technicality"
Next time the jury will be selected with more care.
What a chilling statement. You'd have loved Hitler's Germany.
he's learnt a few lessons from his neighbour's president. if it don't
exist, make it exist.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: I'll bet that he posts in this newgroup |
15 Jun 2004 02:34:17 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:16:25 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:HHRyc.17363822$Id.2868553@news.easynews.com...
somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious? Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
oh, quoting the washington post. that is a very...err...credible
source.
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
and this means what? Islamic terrorists ultimate goal is to negate
free speech? A contradiction in terms, since they seem to be
excercising their "free" speech...
"Defense lawyers contend that Hussayen's Internet activity amounted to
constitutionally protected free speech."
But then again, when looking at Patriot Act II, we see that the USG is
in fact trying to negate free speech. Funny, don't you think?
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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15 Jun 2004 05:10:47 AM |
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Thank you very much...
J.
Cuan a écrit:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:16:25 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
tw a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:HHRyc.17363822$Id.2868553@news.easynews.com...
somewhere up north a écrit:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612100756.09603.00000966@mb-m11.aol.com...
Sami Al-Hussayen not guilty of aiding terrorist groups
Some charges tossed out after jurors deadlock
The Idaho Statesman | Edition Date: 06-11-2004
"I hope the message is the First Amendment is important and meaningful
in
this
country, and activities that are protected under the First Amendment
shouldn't
be the subject of prosecutions of this kind," Nevin said. "We ought to
limit
ourselves to actions, as opposed to thoughts and words."
Well, as you are allowed to post your fundamentalist and racist
"stuff"(tm),
so should he be allowed. That, after all, is one of the tenets of free
speech.
Al.
Nah, not when the Islamic terrorists assholes' ultimate goal is to negate
free
speech.
A VERY dangerous thing to say - first of all it's exactly the justification
people like Hitler used to stifle free speech and lock up people without
charge, secondly, how did Sami Al-Hussayen attempt to negate free speech?
How is he a terrorist?
Are you serious? Is it that you go only on terrorism promotion sites? You don't
know? This is fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13072-2004Apr14.html
oh, quoting the washington post. that is a very...err...credible
source.
He was "the webmaster and "money man" for a worldwide Internet network that
sought to finance and recruit fighters for violent holy war abroad".
and this means what? Islamic terrorists ultimate goal is to negate
free speech? A contradiction in terms, since they seem to be
excercising their "free" speech...
"Defense lawyers contend that Hussayen's Internet activity amounted to
constitutionally protected free speech."
But then again, when looking at Patriot Act II, we see that the USG is
in fact trying to negate free speech. Funny, don't you think?
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| User: "Cuan" |
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17 Jun 2004 03:03:32 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:10:47 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Thank you very much...
J.
a pleasure.
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| User: "Tadapope" |
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14 Jun 2004 12:50:12 AM |
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I'll bet he does too!
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