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User: "MonsieurStat"
Date: 23 Dec 2004 01:09:33 PM
Object: Imam Bush
I Call the President Imam Bush
By Stephen Schwartz
December 22, 2004
If one were to rely on the mainstream Western media, one would assume that
the situation in Iraq represents nothing more than a disaster and a horrible
error by the United States. This media spin, which is more pronounced and
strident than any in recent memory, is based on two critical flaws in the
way Western media work.
The first is the most obvious and is known to millions: the bias of Western
reporters, and nearly all the experts and other sources on which they
depend, against the Bush administration's policy of democratization in the
Middle East. For such commentators, the failure of the Bush intervention in
Iraq was a foregone conclusion. In many cases, including those of Arabist
and ethnic Arab academic experts, opposition to democratization is based on
breathtakingly prejudicial stereotypes.
Few American intellectuals would ever, in the 1950s, have predicted that the
time would come when the very concept of "democracy" would be the object of
so much polemical contempt in the democracies themselves. And fewer still
would have predicted that Arab adherents, as so many now do, would one day
reject altogether the appropriateness of democracy in their countries. When
Arab academic and media figures declare that their people are unprepared for
democracy, and cannot go beyond limited and culture-bound reforms, one
wonders if they realize how arrogant and cruel they sound. In the past, we
all seemed to agree that democracy was a universal and benevolent value, for
which all peoples, at least outside the palaces, strove.
The second serious defect in the methodology of Western media, when dealing
with Iraq, is their lack of knowledge about Islam. Reporters seem to
continue to base their dispatches on off-the-street quotes and Iraqi
official handouts. Much more homework needs to be done, especially
considering that American lives have been sacrificed for the future of Iraq.
Western reporters seldom study Islam or seek out authoritative
representatives of the Islamic leaderships; and when, almost as if by
accident, they encounter such figures, they seem never to know what
questions to ask them.
Terrorism continues in Iraq and monopolizes headlines. But there is much
more to be said about the situation in that country, and it has to do with
much more than the restoration of public services and infrastructure.
Perhaps the biggest story left unreported in the West is the extraordinary
exuberance about the Iraqi election, set for January 30, among Iraqi Shias.
I know about this because I spend a great deal of time talking to Iraqi Shia
religious leaders, some of whom commute back and forth between Iraq and the
U.S. The effervescence among them must be experienced to be believed. One
prominent Shia in the U.S. told me, "I call the president Imam Bush." (In
Shia Islam, the imams are the chief religious guides throughout the history
of the sect.) "He is a believer in God, he is just, and I believe he will
keep his promise to hold a fair election on January 30," my interlocutor
said. "He liberated Kerbala and Najaf [the Shia holy cities]. He has done
more for Shias than anybody else in history."
Shias comprise at least 65 percent of the Iraqi population. It is clear that
the January 30 election will produce a Shia-majority government. The Iraqi
Shias have produced a unity ticket for the elections under the direction of
Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the leading Iraqi Shia cleric. Sistani has
severely condemned any Shia who might obstruct the election. Sistani and his
colleagues have managed to silence the disruptive Moqtada ul-Sadr in the
interest of orderly elections.
Still, even if they can anticipate a Shia sweep in Iraq, Westerners
generally seem unable to grasp the full meaning, for the Islamic world, of
such a fact. Unequivocal Arab Shia control over their holy sites will
represent a major, new historical chapter. Notwithstanding superficial
Western reportage and alarmist propaganda by Arab Sunnis, Arab Shias do not
obey the commands of Iranian Shias. Iraqi Shias never accepted Khomeini's
conception of clerical governance, which had no basis in Islamic doctrine,
and was actually a heresy. There is no serious evidence that, if a Shia
majority is brought to power in Iraq, a Khomeinist regime would be
established.
In addition, the Khomeinist scheme has been discredited in Iran itself, and
that country's majority is trying to find a way out of it. Yet it is amazing
to see Western media and politicians, as well as some Arab politicians and
rulers, proclaiming the "menace" of Shia rule in Iraq. Naturally, the former
Sunni elite who misruled Iraq with the support of Saddam, and Saudi-backed
Wahhabi jihadists who hate Shias even more than they do Jews and Christians,
seek to disrupt the electoral process in Iraq. But Westerners have no
justification to back away from the commitment to elections in Iraq, merely
on the basis of Sunni complaints or threats. Some Western experts warn that
the triumph of the Shias would bring about a civil war in Iraq; but what
other than a civil war is presently going on? Sunni terrorists wreak havoc
and devastating bloodshed wherever they can. If anything, a definitive Shia
victory would be a powerful incentive for Sunnis to cease their terrorism.
The wider regional and global ripples of a Shia government in Iraq are
likely to be as significant as the transfer of power itself. A nonclerical
Shia regime in Baghdad, governing Kerbala and Najaf, would powerfully
encourage completion of democratization in Iran. Its success would also draw
Lebanese Shias away from the extremist clerical leadership of Hezbollah. A
stable post-Ba'athist regime in Iraq could provide a significant model for
Syrians as they work their way out of the Bashir Assad dictatorship. Above
all, however, a Shia regime in Iraq will provide a stunning exemplar of
Arab-Islamic pluralism, that is, an alternative to the model of Sunni
monolithism found in Saudi Arabia, and which the Saudis have sought to
export throughout the global community of Sunni Islam.
The reactionary wing of the Saudi royal family may have a great deal to lose
from successful elections in Iraq. To emphasize, Wahhabism, the official
religion in the Saudi kingdom, preaches violence against Shias, and a
Shia-led Iraq with a system of popular sovereignty would be an enormous
humiliation to the Wahhabis. But more important, as the American architects
of the Iraqi experiment have understood, Iraq has immense resources in terms
of education and entrepreneurship, aside from the economic cushion of its
oil.
President Bush is quite correct when he states that the terrorists hate
Americans for who we are, not for what we do. The Wahhabi clerics in Saudi
Arabia, who encourage al-Qaida and other terrorists, including Zarqawi in
Iraq, repudiate the very concept of voting, parliamentarism, and democracy.
Shias do not reject these principles.
A prosperous Shia-led electoral regime in Iraq, on its long northern border,
could be the ultimate nightmare for the Saudi hardliners, particularly since
the oil industry in the kingdom is centered in the Saudi Eastern Province,
which has a Shia majority -- and Shias have suffered a near-genocidal
discrimination at Wahhabi hands.
Saudi Arabia has always dealt with Shia dissidence by labeling it as a
product of Iran. But if Shia dissidents in the Saudi kingdom are inspired by
Iraq they will gain immense credibility.
Finally, the worldwide effect of transitions to democracy, in countries
typically considered impossibly distant from one another, cannot be belied.
Looking at the last quarter of the 20th century, we observe a process that
began in Spain in 1975, with the death of dictator Francisco Franco. The
Spanish business class and political elite carried out a peaceful process of
democratization. Spain was only the first such instance. Although Iran and
Nicaragua later saw major convulsions in their societies, and brutal wars
broke out in Yugoslavia and Africa, many more countries entered on the road
of peaceful democratization, including, finally, Nicaragua and some of the
ex-Yugoslav states. The number of countries that settled a change in their
political affairs peacefully came to far outnumber those with recourse to
armed conflict: they include the Philippines, all the rest of the former
Baltic and East European Communist states (although Russia, as always,
remains a problem), Taiwan, South Korea, Chile, Mexico, Indonesia, Turkey.
Many of these countries have a legacy of rule by ideological parties acting
as a foundation for the state, typically with the backing of the military.
This was the experience of Taiwan with the Guomindang, Mexico under the
so-called Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), and Turkey ruled by the
Republican People's Party. Saddam's Ba'athism was merely a variation of this
20th century model, as was the Soviet Communism that is finally
disappearing, one hopes, from Ukraine.
There should be no reason to doubt the universality of democracy, or the
contagious nature of elections in Iraq, and, for that matter, in Ukraine. As
Iraq's ballot boxes may trump the viciousness of its terrorists, the
Palestinians may also join the new wave of democratization. Ukrainians vote,
Palestinians vote, Iraqis vote, and a new phase in world history begins.
This is the true meaning of globalization, especially in the age of the
internet and satellite television.
Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia is much less a form of Islam than an ideology
employed to keep the royal family in power, and if the removal of the
ideological state may be effected peacefully in Kyiv, why not in Riyadh?
Saudi subjects could leap ahead of their Iraqi neighbors, for I cannot
imagine that if Ukraine succeeds in a bloodless democratization, Saudi
subjects will not be inspired to ask why they, too, cannot follow the road
of the Orange Revolution, rather than that of the black-bannered jihad, and
voting boxes protected by American lives, in Iraq. And that will mean a
decisive blow to terrorist jihadism throughout the world.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/122204A.html
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Imam Bush 23 Dec 2004 02:56:06 PM
MonsieurStat wrote:

I Call the President Imam Bush
By Stephen Schwartz
December 22, 2004

If one were to rely on the mainstream Western media, one would assume

that

the situation in Iraq represents nothing more than a disaster and a

horrible

error by the United States. This media spin, which is more pronounced

and

strident than any in recent memory, is based on two critical flaws in

the

way Western media work.

The first is the most obvious and is known to millions: the bias of

Western

reporters, and nearly all the experts and other sources on which they
depend, against the Bush administration's policy of democratization

in the

Middle East.

Great a bunch of nonsensical fragments.
Is there a subject and a Verb here?
Maybe you can explain. Would that be the lefty-anti-war media, or the
Fox News pro war news media? Has this writer gone to school?

For such commentators, the failure of the Bush intervention in
Iraq was a foregone conclusion.

WHAT commentators? There was no defining? Ohhh I get it another minor
writer playing general nonsensical rhetoric games for the holidays ;)

In many cases, including those of Arabist
and ethnic Arab academic experts, opposition to democratization is

based on

breathtakingly prejudicial stereotypes.

Cannot follow? Is this writer drunk?


Few American intellectuals would ever, in the 1950s, have predicted

that the

time would come when the very concept of "democracy" would be the

object of

so much polemical contempt in the democracies themselves.

Hardly a true statement. Many Americans gave a ***** about world opinion
in the '50s. They were too busy buying up houses and new gadgetry like
Washing Machines, a T-model fords ;)
Where do you find these lugs?

And fewer still
would have predicted that Arab adherents, as so many now do, would

one day

reject altogether the appropriateness of democracy in their

countries. When

Arab academic and media figures declare that their people are

unprepared for

democracy, and cannot go beyond limited and culture-bound reforms,

one

wonders if they realize how arrogant and cruel they sound. In the

past, we

all seemed to agree that democracy was a universal and benevolent

value, for

which all peoples, at least outside the palaces, strove.

Looks like the commentator just contradicted his pervious statement.
But then again you cannot count on these junior to have a
continues/consistent ( of fact) thought, now can ya? ;)


The second serious defect in the methodology of Western media, when

dealing

with Iraq, is their lack of knowledge about Islam.

WOW! :-) Finally something I can agree on. And A clear written
sentence: ) But did they also mention most people at A.P.N. ( Still
A.P.N.ers are far more knowledgeable still).

Reporters seem to
continue to base their dispatches on off-the-street quotes and Iraqi
official handouts.

EXSCUSE ME? but, REPORTERS ARE NOT HISTORIANS OR CULTURAL POLITICAL
SCIENTITIST - DUHHHHHHHH.
That's nothing. Your writer seems to be confused on what is western
journalism. Maybe you can E-mail him and tell him he is full of crap ;)

Much more homework needs to be done,

Yep, you sure need to start right away ;)

especially
considering that American lives have been sacrificed for the future

of Iraq.
....Noble in some eyes, not others. But, so was almost every war in
hist. ;)

Western reporters seldom study Islam or seek out authoritative
representatives of the Islamic leaderships;

WOW, should have started that way up the piece dumbard! Kinda let you
readers on to what you are getting at, eh?
Go read what is a western journalist first moron.!

and when, almost as if by
accident, they encounter such figures, they seem never to know what
questions to ask them.

How about: 'Who, What, Why, When & How' - you know the typical
*nut-graph* in journalism ya tard , or do you know anything about
journalism, nut-job?


Terrorism continues in Iraq and monopolizes headlines.

Ehhh stupid, do you think anyone has not noticed? Are you bring out a
revelation? ;)

But there is much
more to be said about the situation in that country, and it has to do

with

much more than the restoration of public services and infrastructure.

Starting there is the number one thing. Your philosophy comes after you
take a shower, eat, and get shelter - do you agree tard?

Perhaps the biggest story left unreported in the West is the

extraordinary

exuberance about the Iraqi election, set for January 30, among Iraqi

Shias.


I know about this because I spend a great deal of time talking to

Iraqi Shia

religious leaders,

Good then you know all about the Six Pillar of Islam which is to make
the world all Islamic or kill-off the unbelievers - why it is in their
law?

some of whom commute back and forth between Iraq and the
U.S. The effervescence among them must be experienced to be believed.

One

prominent Shia in the U.S. told me, "I call the president Imam Bush."

(In

Shia Islam, the imams are the chief religious guides throughout the

history

of the sect.) "He is a believer in God, he is just, and I believe he

will

keep his promise to hold a fair election on January 30," my

interlocutor

said. "He liberated Kerbala and Najaf [the Shia holy cities]. He has

done

more for Shias than anybody else in history."

Bush is not popular with Sunni's like Usama bin Laden or the Saudi
Royal family ;) trust me Bush is not a Iman is their eyes :(


Shias comprise at least 65 percent of the Iraqi population.

I doubt that number. Maybe in certain southern cities the percentage is
even higher - but not the majority of Iraq - at least not historically.

It is clear that
the January 30 election will produce a Shia-majority government.

The insurgents are mostly Sunnis. The ran the Abbasid Caliphate in
Baghdad, they want it back. The Shia like representational government
and diversity more than the Sunnis in hist. This is why a
pro-diversity-Sunni group is not making any political toleration waves.

The Iraqi
Shias have produced a unity ticket for the elections under the

direction of

Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the leading Iraqi Shia cleric. Sistani

has

severely condemned any Shia who might obstruct the election. Sistani

and his

colleagues have managed to silence the disruptive Moqtada ul-Sadr in

the

interest of orderly elections.

Still, even if they can anticipate a Shia sweep in Iraq, Westerners
generally seem unable to grasp the full meaning, for the Islamic

world, of

such a fact. Unequivocal Arab Shia control over their holy sites will
represent a major, new historical chapter. Notwithstanding

superficial

Western reportage and alarmist propaganda by Arab Sunnis, Arab Shias

do not

obey the commands of Iranian Shias. Iraqi Shias never accepted

Khomeini's

conception of clerical governance, which had no basis in Islamic

doctrine,

and was actually a heresy. There is no serious evidence that, if a

Shia

majority is brought to power in Iraq, a Khomeinist regime would be
established.

The Shia of Baghdad in hist. were against strict following of the Al
hadiths. They promoted toleration to different cultures needed in
democracies, where as Khomeini was more on the insular dictator of
Iran.


In addition, the Khomeinist scheme has been discredited in Iran

itself, and

that country's majority is trying to find a way out of it. Yet it is

amazing

to see Western media and politicians, as well as some Arab

politicians and

rulers, proclaiming the "menace" of Shia rule in Iraq.

I agree, but that is the leftist media for ya, and they are smart -
they actually loved Saddam and want the same regime back again. The
left sees if the Shia control it can give Bush a victory in the region
- something the west does not want.
Stopped here. This writer didn't start his or her piece well but it
picked up to relevance here. Very good.

Naturally, the former
Sunni elite who misruled Iraq with the support of Saddam, and

Saudi-backed

Wahhabi jihadists who hate Shias even more than they do Jews and

Christians,

seek to disrupt the electoral process in Iraq. But Westerners have no
justification to back away from the commitment to elections in Iraq,

merely

on the basis of Sunni complaints or threats. Some Western experts

warn that

the triumph of the Shias would bring about a civil war in Iraq; but

what

other than a civil war is presently going on? Sunni terrorists wreak

havoc

and devastating bloodshed wherever they can. If anything, a

definitive Shia

victory would be a powerful incentive for Sunnis to cease their

terrorism.


The wider regional and global ripples of a Shia government in Iraq

are

likely to be as significant as the transfer of power itself. A

nonclerical

Shia regime in Baghdad, governing Kerbala and Najaf, would powerfully
encourage completion of democratization in Iran. Its success would

also draw

Lebanese Shias away from the extremist clerical leadership of

Hezbollah. A

stable post-Ba'athist regime in Iraq could provide a significant

model for

Syrians as they work their way out of the Bashir Assad dictatorship.

Above

all, however, a Shia regime in Iraq will provide a stunning exemplar

of

Arab-Islamic pluralism, that is, an alternative to the model of Sunni
monolithism found in Saudi Arabia, and which the Saudis have sought

to

export throughout the global community of Sunni Islam.

The reactionary wing of the Saudi royal family may have a great deal

to lose

from successful elections in Iraq. To emphasize, Wahhabism, the

official

religion in the Saudi kingdom, preaches violence against Shias, and a
Shia-led Iraq with a system of popular sovereignty would be an

enormous

humiliation to the Wahhabis. But more important, as the American

architects

of the Iraqi experiment have understood, Iraq has immense resources

in terms

of education and entrepreneurship, aside from the economic cushion of

its

oil.

President Bush is quite correct when he states that the terrorists

hate

Americans for who we are, not for what we do. The Wahhabi clerics in

Saudi

Arabia, who encourage al-Qaida and other terrorists, including

Zarqawi in

Iraq, repudiate the very concept of voting, parliamentarism, and

democracy.

Shias do not reject these principles.

A prosperous Shia-led electoral regime in Iraq, on its long northern

border,

could be the ultimate nightmare for the Saudi hardliners,

particularly since

the oil industry in the kingdom is centered in the Saudi Eastern

Province,

which has a Shia majority -- and Shias have suffered a near-genocidal
discrimination at Wahhabi hands.

Saudi Arabia has always dealt with Shia dissidence by labeling it as

a

product of Iran. But if Shia dissidents in the Saudi kingdom are

inspired by

Iraq they will gain immense credibility.

Finally, the worldwide effect of transitions to democracy, in

countries

typically considered impossibly distant from one another, cannot be

belied.

Looking at the last quarter of the 20th century, we observe a process

that

began in Spain in 1975, with the death of dictator Francisco Franco.

The

Spanish business class and political elite carried out a peaceful

process of

democratization. Spain was only the first such instance. Although

Iran and

Nicaragua later saw major convulsions in their societies, and brutal

wars

broke out in Yugoslavia and Africa, many more countries entered on

the road

of peaceful democratization, including, finally, Nicaragua and some

of the

ex-Yugoslav states. The number of countries that settled a change in

their

political affairs peacefully came to far outnumber those with

recourse to

armed conflict: they include the Philippines, all the rest of the

former

Baltic and East European Communist states (although Russia, as

always,

remains a problem), Taiwan, South Korea, Chile, Mexico, Indonesia,

Turkey.


Many of these countries have a legacy of rule by ideological parties

acting

as a foundation for the state, typically with the backing of the

military.

This was the experience of Taiwan with the Guomindang, Mexico under

the

so-called Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), and Turkey ruled

by the

Republican People's Party. Saddam's Ba'athism was merely a variation

of this

20th century model, as was the Soviet Communism that is finally
disappearing, one hopes, from Ukraine.

There should be no reason to doubt the universality of democracy, or

the

contagious nature of elections in Iraq, and, for that matter, in

Ukraine. As

Iraq's ballot boxes may trump the viciousness of its terrorists, the
Palestinians may also join the new wave of democratization.

Ukrainians vote,

Palestinians vote, Iraqis vote, and a new phase in world history

begins.

This is the true meaning of globalization, especially in the age of

the

internet and satellite television.

Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia is much less a form of Islam than an

ideology

employed to keep the royal family in power, and if the removal of the
ideological state may be effected peacefully in Kyiv, why not in

Riyadh?

Saudi subjects could leap ahead of their Iraqi neighbors, for I

cannot

imagine that if Ukraine succeeds in a bloodless democratization,

Saudi

subjects will not be inspired to ask why they, too, cannot follow the

road

of the Orange Revolution, rather than that of the black-bannered

jihad, and

voting boxes protected by American lives, in Iraq. And that will mean

a

decisive blow to terrorist jihadism throughout the world.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/122204A.html

.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Imam Bush 24 Dec 2004 05:05:33 AM
More crap from an Iranian *****.
Tony
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