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User: "MonsieurStat"
Date: 12 Dec 2004 08:05:39 PM
Object: Intelligence Reform
Intelligence Reform or Patriot Act 2
By Mike Whitney
December 12, 2004
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in an American flag" Huey
Long, Senator (D-LA)
"The new provision enshrines the principle of arbitrary imprisonment,
allowing the president to incarcerate anyone he chooses (indefinitely)
without charges."
The new Intelligence reform bill reads like a "how-to" manual for
constructing fascism in the "homeland". This is no joke. At 600 plus pages
none of the senators or congressman even had time to read it, but like the
Patriot Act, they've rammed it through to satisfy their paymasters. By next
week, President Bush will have signed it into law and we'll be stuck with the
aftereffects for years.
Predictably, the media has diverted public attention from the content of the
bill, focusing instead on the cabinet-level position of NID (National
Intelligence Director) The new post integrates many of the individual
(intelligence) agencies under one senior manager, but does little to improve
national security. In fact, it just adds another layer of bureaucracy to an
already confusing system. Americans are in greater danger now than ever
because of the stubborn refusal to make changes in foreign policy. As a
recent classified Pentagon report stated, "They don't hate our freedom, they
hate our policies" and those policies have only gotten worse since the
occupation of Iraq. The appointment of an Intelligence czar does nothing to
relieve that situation.
Intelligence reform has been a stealth-project from the get-go. It was
intended to shift the blame for 9-11 and the Iraq war (WMD) to the Intel
organizations (primarily the CIA). It's complete nonsense. Everyone knows the
problems stemmed from the falsifying of information by the Bush team, so
there was no reason to go through all the hoopla of "fixing" the system.
Instead of addressing the underlying issues, the new bill eviscerates what's
left of the Bill of Rights and hands over more power to Bush. Now, Bush is
free to hand-pick the men he wants for top-level Intelligence positions
without Senate confirmation - an invitation to create his personal security
apparatus without congressional interference. The bill also decreases
Congress' powers of oversight. The new Intelligence Director can exempt his
office from "audits and investigations, and Congress will not receive reports
from an objective internal auditor." In other words, Congress has limited its
own access to critical information of how taxpayer dollars are being spent.
They've simply given up their role of checking for presidential abuse.
The bill "eliminates provisions to ensure that it (Congress) receives timely
access to intelligence, and it also allows the White House's Office of
Management and Budget to screen testimony before the Intelligence Director
presents it to the Congress." So, now Bush can either stonewall Congress
entirely or just cherry-pick the tidbits he doesn't mind handing over. The
Congress is just paving the way for even greater secrecy.
Needless to say, all the whistle-blower protections have been removed from
the new bill. In this new paradigm of Mafia-style governance the only
unpardonable offense is reporting the crimes of one's bosses. Now, the Bush
Fedayeen can purge the entire intelligence apparatus and no one will be the
wiser.
Also, the Intelligence budget (around$20 billion) will be shielded from
Congressional scrutiny. Can you believe it? The Congress is cutting a blank
check for $20 billion to Bush and they don't want to know what he's doing
with the money?!? There's no doubt that copious amounts of cash will be
dumped into illicit activity, like dirty tricks, covert operations, torture
facilities and death squads.
And here's a good one: "The Intelligence Director shall have authority to
direct or undertake electronic surveillance and physical search operations
pursuant to FISA if authorized by statute or executive order."
Executive order? Oh, good. You won't need to bother with cumbersome courts
and laws to overturn the 4th amendment anymore, just a nod from George Bush
and away-you-go. Did even one senator consider that the 4th amendment was
designed to protect against the intrusions of a monarch? Now, they've
surrendered that power to Bush?
Another provision asserts that terrorist suspects may be immediately
considered flight risks, so prosecutors don't have to prove it to a judge.
Just the label of "terrorist" is enough to eliminate the "presumption of
innocence". If the Bush Stasi throws you in the slammer, you must be guilty.
Otherwise, why would they waste their time?
The administration has been working on this angle for some time. Whether
rounding up 1200 suspects after 9-11 and dispatching them in secret hearings,
or rolling up enemy combatants and dumping them in solitary confinement, the
Bushies never liked the idea that someone had to break the law to be
arrested. This new provision enshrines the principle of arbitrary
imprisonment, allowing the president to incarcerate anyone he chooses
(indefinitely) without charges. This cuts the heart-and soul out of the Bill
of Rights. It overturns the 5th and 6th amendments and eviscerates due
process protections in one-fell-swoop. What's to keep the president from
tossing political enemies, protestors or union activists in jail? If he hangs
the terror moniker on them he's not required to make any explanation or
produce any evidence. Why bother with rights or attorneys? This bill gives
Bush's "gut-feelings" the force of the law.
It's hauntingly clear when Bush said he didn't mind dictatorship "as long as
I'm the dictator", he was being remarkably clairvoyant.
Is it possible that the average citizen still can't see what's going on?
Beyond the media fog, the Intelligence Reform bill is the worst abridgement
of civil rights since the Patriot Act. It further enhances the power of the
president while cutting the ground out from under the Constitution.
These fascist schemes aren't being cooked up in the Oval Office. It's
doubtful that Bush will ever even read this miserable bill, but he knows its
content, and he knows it is endorsed by his most powerful constituents. They've
produced a coherent ideology that disguises their real intentions and now,
they're putting their plan into action. With the support of key players in
the House and Senate (and media) they're remaking the American political
system. There's nothing accidental about these dramatic,
Constitution-shredding provisions. They simply reflect the values of a
"privileged few" who do not accept the legitimacy of democratic government.
This new bill shows their determination to establish autocratic rule in
America.
So far, I'd say there doing a pretty decent job.
.

User: "Tadapope"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 12 Dec 2004 09:46:24 PM
I think a full copy of its contents should
be put online for public review - promptly!
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
Oh Joy!
Tom
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
.
User: "MonsieurStat"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 13 Dec 2004 11:25:28 PM
"Tadapope" <tadapope@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041212224624.00325.00001924@mb-m17.aol.com...

I think a full copy of its contents should
be put online for public review - promptly!

Full text: http://www.house.gov/rules/s2845crfulltext.htm
Brief Analysis: http://www.rense.com/general59/brief.htm
Opinion posted on Usenet: Bottom of this page.
Happy reading :-)
Stat.


Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *

Oh Joy!
Tom

The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet


http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/


Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is
instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every
facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights
and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is
a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures
encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:
*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second
Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight
international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes.
Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the
first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.
SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and
again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.
SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of
whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be
clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news
gathering illegal.
SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law
powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that
a state of war exists.
SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that
broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret
judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed
location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It
states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out
searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the
entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.
SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges
against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate
themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the
Fifth Amendment.
SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot
Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from
other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has
told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."
SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.
SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of
"surveillance without a court order."
SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and
that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in
press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage
reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than
that directed against more conventional types of crime."
SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum
of public and private sector information from bank records to
educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow
ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any
and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at
everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a
connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until
proven innocent.
SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical
examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill
Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that
people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.
SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal
and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also
disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal
subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.
SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal
agents.
SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with
toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.
SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any
member of the government or any citizen to release any information
concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states
that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have
arrested and they never have to release the names.
SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial
dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a
terrorist. This should be very useful for ***** Cheney to stop anyone
investigating Haliburton.
SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a
national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the
database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups
and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated
as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for
anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and
orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.
SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The
database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will
share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the
same purposes.
SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of
information sharing.
SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying
operations against the American people and would place substantial
restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil
rights across the board.
SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big
businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating
their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all
preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the
access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.
SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people
and to share information with foreign governments.
SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows
officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens
anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take
individuals out of foreign countries.
SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The
section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual
even had the intent to aid terrorists.
SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to
include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.
SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use
encryption in the commission of a crime.
SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole
host of crimes.
SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in
terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now
considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.
SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they
point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any
terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death
penalty.
SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section
states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will
result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.
SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in
terrorist activities.
SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush
administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens
who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first
Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism,
and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a
violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second
Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The
Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802
of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new,
unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.
Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be
grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The
Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had
inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section
802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or
State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.
.
User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 14 Dec 2004 06:14:42 AM
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:25:28 -0500, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote:


"Tadapope" <tadapope@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041212224624.00325.00001924@mb-m17.aol.com...

I think a full copy of its contents should
be put online for public review - promptly!


Full text: http://www.house.gov/rules/s2845crfulltext.htm

Brief Analysis: http://www.rense.com/general59/brief.htm

Opinion posted on Usenet: Bottom of this page.

Happy reading :-)
Stat.

heh...heh...heh...*snigger*
And the neocon-supporting slime anxiously await Osama bin Laden's next
terror attack? Bwahahaha... why should he have to do anything? Seems
he's already inflicted the ultimate terror on the American people.
Fascism! Tony will soon be shouting, "Sieg heil, herr Bush mein
fuhrer!"
Haha! Seems when everybody's pointing up at the sky, the earth opens
up and swallows them instead. This has been predicted before ...and
not even by a great 'seer'. Seems my "silly" conspiracy theory
earlier might actually be starting to hold some water. I said it
before, bin Laden is just a smoke screen. Silly neocon-supporting
twits. Let's all watch America change the way Germany changed in the
1930's. History always repeats itself. Germany had far more
efficient strategists in their camp back then, though. The usual
American strategy is as follows...
1. Mass troops on the border and scare the ***** outta them.
2. Airdrop propaganda flyers over the enemy lines and scare the *****
outta them.
3. Drop bombs on the enemy lines and kill 'em all.
4. Use artillery on the enemy lines and kill 'em all summore.
5. Ride 'em tanks over their trenches and bury 'em alive (if they
weren't dead from 3 & 4 above).
6. Send in as few rifleman divisions as possible. The rest will be
drafted later.
7. Secure the oil fields so at least we don't lose those babies.
8. Set up road blocks and shoot any innocent civillians who take one
hand off the steering wheel.
9. Sieze the corrections facilities and detain, sodomise and rape the
innocent civillians you haven't shot yet.
10. Attain the element of fear by any means necessary.
11. Install a puppet regime to fool the native populace into thinking
they run their country, but the prime minister should be an
ex-employee of either Unocal, Halliburton, Carlyle, or one of their
associates.
12. Continue as before.
13. If all else fails, raise the DefCon and nuke the fuckers.
This is Bush's 13-point plan to bring peace and democracy to the
middle-east. Well yes, our peace and democracy is there...shooting
the place to *****. Perhaps I should be concerned - a lack of good
strategies opens the field to brute force instead. Hitler never had
nukes, so nimble wit and carefull planning was a necessity. Nowadays,
the costs of a botched invasion can weigh up against the cost of
alienating the world with a nuclear strike...oh, I nearly forgot -
that's already been taken care of. No real loss there. Heh.
God bless America. The land of the...*choke*...*cough*!
Like seeing these "your country is eligible, get your green card
today" adverts. Like really? Who wants to leave their own lands of
the free to go live in "either with us or against us" USA? You might
find yourself living next to bin Laden in his luxury Washington DC
apartment, complete with secret service entourage. The New World
Order is now five years behind schedule, people. It's no surprise
they're now in such a rush to get all the necessary laws in place.
Oh what exciting times we're living in.
PS: Keep an eye on the gun control lobbies. Anyone know who their
donors are? I don't...yet, at least, but I am keen to scrutinise them
a bit.

Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is
instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every
facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights
and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is
a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures
encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second
Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight
international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes.
Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the
first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and
again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of
whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be
clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news
gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law
powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that
a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that
broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret
judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed
location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It
states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out
searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the
entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges
against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate
themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the
Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot
Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from
other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has
told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of
"surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and
that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in
press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage
reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than
that directed against more conventional types of crime."

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum
of public and private sector information from bank records to
educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow
ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any
and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at
everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a
connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until
proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical
examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill
Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that
people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal
and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also
disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal
subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal
agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with
toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any
member of the government or any citizen to release any information
concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states
that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have
arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial
dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a
terrorist. This should be very useful for ***** Cheney to stop anyone
investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a
national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the
database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups
and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated
as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for
anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and
orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The
database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will
share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the
same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of
information sharing.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying
operations against the American people and would place substantial
restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil
rights across the board.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big
businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating
their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all
preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the
access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people
and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows
officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens
anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take
individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The
section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual
even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to
include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use
encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole
host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in
terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now
considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they
point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any
terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death
penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section
states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will
result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in
terrorist activities.

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush
administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens
who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first
Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism,
and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a
violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second
Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The
Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802
of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new,
unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be
grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The
Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had
inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section
802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or
State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.




.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 14 Dec 2004 07:54:50 PM
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> Spat the Words

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:25:28 -0500, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote:


"Tadapope" <tadapope@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041212224624.00325.00001924@mb-m17.aol.com...

I think a full copy of its contents should
be put online for public review - promptly!


Full text: http://www.house.gov/rules/s2845crfulltext.htm

Brief Analysis: http://www.rense.com/general59/brief.htm

Opinion posted on Usenet: Bottom of this page.

Happy reading :-)
Stat.


heh...heh...heh...*snigger*

And the neocon-supporting slime anxiously await Osama bin Laden's next
terror attack? Bwahahaha... why should he have to do anything? Seems
he's already inflicted the ultimate terror on the American people.
Fascism! Tony will soon be shouting, "Sieg heil, herr Bush mein
fuhrer!"

Haha! Seems when everybody's pointing up at the sky, the earth opens
up and swallows them instead. This has been predicted before ...and
not even by a great 'seer'. Seems my "silly" conspiracy theory
earlier might actually be starting to hold some water. I said it
before, bin Laden is just a smoke screen. Silly neocon-supporting
twits. Let's all watch America change the way Germany changed in the
1930's. History always repeats itself. Germany had far more
efficient strategists in their camp back then, though. The usual
American strategy is as follows...

But Bush only has half the US population brainwashed, and outside
of seizing power and dismantling Congress, he'd never get away with
this.


1. Mass troops on the border and scare the ***** outta them.
2. Airdrop propaganda flyers over the enemy lines and scare the *****
outta them.
3. Drop bombs on the enemy lines and kill 'em all.
4. Use artillery on the enemy lines and kill 'em all summore.
5. Ride 'em tanks over their trenches and bury 'em alive (if they
weren't dead from 3 & 4 above).
6. Send in as few rifleman divisions as possible. The rest will be
drafted later.
7. Secure the oil fields so at least we don't lose those babies.
8. Set up road blocks and shoot any innocent civillians who take one
hand off the steering wheel.
9. Sieze the corrections facilities and detain, sodomise and rape the
innocent civillians you haven't shot yet.
10. Attain the element of fear by any means necessary.
11. Install a puppet regime to fool the native populace into thinking
they run their country, but the prime minister should be an
ex-employee of either Unocal, Halliburton, Carlyle, or one of their
associates.
12. Continue as before.
13. If all else fails, raise the DefCon and nuke the fuckers.

This is Bush's 13-point plan to bring peace and democracy to the
middle-east. Well yes, our peace and democracy is there...shooting
the place to *****. Perhaps I should be concerned - a lack of good
strategies opens the field to brute force instead. Hitler never had
nukes, so nimble wit and carefull planning was a necessity. Nowadays,
the costs of a botched invasion can weigh up against the cost of
alienating the world with a nuclear strike...oh, I nearly forgot -
that's already been taken care of. No real loss there. Heh.

God bless America. The land of the...*choke*...*cough*!

Like seeing these "your country is eligible, get your green card
today" adverts. Like really? Who wants to leave their own lands of
the free to go live in "either with us or against us" USA? You might
find yourself living next to bin Laden in his luxury Washington DC
apartment, complete with secret service entourage. The New World
Order is now five years behind schedule, people. It's no surprise
they're now in such a rush to get all the necessary laws in place.

Oh what exciting times we're living in.

PS: Keep an eye on the gun control lobbies. Anyone know who their
donors are? I don't...yet, at least, but I am keen to scrutinise them
a bit.



Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is
instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every
facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights
and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is
a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures
encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second
Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight
international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes.
Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the
first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and
again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of
whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be
clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news
gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law
powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that
a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that
broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret
judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed
location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It
states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out
searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the
entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges
against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate
themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the
Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot
Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from
other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has
told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of
"surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and
that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in
press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage
reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than
that directed against more conventional types of crime."

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum
of public and private sector information from bank records to
educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow
ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any
and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at
everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a
connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until
proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical
examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill
Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that
people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal
and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also
disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal
subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal
agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with
toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any
member of the government or any citizen to release any information
concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states
that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have
arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial
dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a
terrorist. This should be very useful for ***** Cheney to stop anyone
investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a
national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the
database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups
and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated
as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for
anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and
orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The
database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will
share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the
same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of
information sharing.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying
operations against the American people and would place substantial
restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil
rights across the board.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big
businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating
their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all
preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the
access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people
and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows
officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens
anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take
individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The
section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual
even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to
include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use
encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole
host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in
terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now
considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they
point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any
terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death
penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section
states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will
result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in
terrorist activities.

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush
administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens
who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first
Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism,
and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a
violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second
Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The
Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802
of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new,
unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be
grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The
Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had
inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section
802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or
State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.






.
User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 15 Dec 2004 12:03:43 AM
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:54:50 GMT, "R. Foreman"
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:

Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> Spat the Words

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:25:28 -0500, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote:


"Tadapope" <tadapope@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041212224624.00325.00001924@mb-m17.aol.com...

I think a full copy of its contents should
be put online for public review - promptly!


Full text: http://www.house.gov/rules/s2845crfulltext.htm

Brief Analysis: http://www.rense.com/general59/brief.htm

Opinion posted on Usenet: Bottom of this page.

Happy reading :-)
Stat.


heh...heh...heh...*snigger*

And the neocon-supporting slime anxiously await Osama bin Laden's next
terror attack? Bwahahaha... why should he have to do anything? Seems
he's already inflicted the ultimate terror on the American people.
Fascism! Tony will soon be shouting, "Sieg heil, herr Bush mein
fuhrer!"

Haha! Seems when everybody's pointing up at the sky, the earth opens
up and swallows them instead. This has been predicted before ...and
not even by a great 'seer'. Seems my "silly" conspiracy theory
earlier might actually be starting to hold some water. I said it
before, bin Laden is just a smoke screen. Silly neocon-supporting
twits. Let's all watch America change the way Germany changed in the
1930's. History always repeats itself. Germany had far more
efficient strategists in their camp back then, though. The usual
American strategy is as follows...


But Bush only has half the US population brainwashed, and outside
of seizing power and dismantling Congress, he'd never get away with
this.

From what I can tell, he's already put the necessary "bypass" laws in
place to negate congress. Remember that the senate (i think) passed
Patriot Act II into law with most senators not even having had a
chance to read it properly. Just that little trick gave him
significant powers. As long as he's effective at getting laws passed
in that manner, soon you might not even have a Capitol.
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 15 Dec 2004 09:28:42 PM
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> Spat the Words

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:54:50 GMT, "R. Foreman"
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:

Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> Spat the Words

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:25:28 -0500, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote:


"Tadapope" <tadapope@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041212224624.00325.00001924@mb-m17.aol.com...

I think a full copy of its contents should
be put online for public review - promptly!


Full text: http://www.house.gov/rules/s2845crfulltext.htm

Brief Analysis: http://www.rense.com/general59/brief.htm

Opinion posted on Usenet: Bottom of this page.

Happy reading :-)
Stat.


heh...heh...heh...*snigger*

And the neocon-supporting slime anxiously await Osama bin Laden's next
terror attack? Bwahahaha... why should he have to do anything? Seems
he's already inflicted the ultimate terror on the American people.
Fascism! Tony will soon be shouting, "Sieg heil, herr Bush mein
fuhrer!"

Haha! Seems when everybody's pointing up at the sky, the earth opens
up and swallows them instead. This has been predicted before ...and
not even by a great 'seer'. Seems my "silly" conspiracy theory
earlier might actually be starting to hold some water. I said it
before, bin Laden is just a smoke screen. Silly neocon-supporting
twits. Let's all watch America change the way Germany changed in the
1930's. History always repeats itself. Germany had far more
efficient strategists in their camp back then, though. The usual
American strategy is as follows...


But Bush only has half the US population brainwashed, and outside
of seizing power and dismantling Congress, he'd never get away with
this.


From what I can tell, he's already put the necessary "bypass" laws in
place to negate congress. Remember that the senate (i think) passed
Patriot Act II into law with most senators not even having had a
chance to read it properly.

Oh they read it. Don't believe everything people tell you.

Just that little trick gave him
significant powers. As long as he's effective at getting laws passed
in that manner, soon you might not even have a Capitol.


.






User: "Cuan"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 13 Dec 2004 05:50:29 AM
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:05:39 -0500, "MonsieurStat"
<Monsieurstat@yahoo.com> wrote:

Intelligence Reform or Patriot Act 2
By Mike Whitney
December 12, 2004

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in an American flag" Huey
Long, Senator (D-LA)

"The new provision enshrines the principle of arbitrary imprisonment,
allowing the president to incarcerate anyone he chooses (indefinitely)
without charges."

The new Intelligence reform bill reads like a "how-to" manual for
constructing fascism in the "homeland". This is no joke. At 600 plus pages
none of the senators or congressman even had time to read it, but like the
Patriot Act, they've rammed it through to satisfy their paymasters. By next
week, President Bush will have signed it into law and we'll be stuck with the
aftereffects for years.

Predictably, the media has diverted public attention from the content of the
bill, focusing instead on the cabinet-level position of NID (National
Intelligence Director) The new post integrates many of the individual
(intelligence) agencies under one senior manager, but does little to improve
national security. In fact, it just adds another layer of bureaucracy to an
already confusing system. Americans are in greater danger now than ever
because of the stubborn refusal to make changes in foreign policy. As a
recent classified Pentagon report stated, "They don't hate our freedom, they
hate our policies" and those policies have only gotten worse since the
occupation of Iraq. The appointment of an Intelligence czar does nothing to
relieve that situation.

Intelligence reform has been a stealth-project from the get-go. It was
intended to shift the blame for 9-11 and the Iraq war (WMD) to the Intel
organizations (primarily the CIA). It's complete nonsense. Everyone knows the
problems stemmed from the falsifying of information by the Bush team, so
there was no reason to go through all the hoopla of "fixing" the system.

Instead of addressing the underlying issues, the new bill eviscerates what's
left of the Bill of Rights and hands over more power to Bush. Now, Bush is
free to hand-pick the men he wants for top-level Intelligence positions
without Senate confirmation - an invitation to create his personal security
apparatus without congressional interference. The bill also decreases
Congress' powers of oversight. The new Intelligence Director can exempt his
office from "audits and investigations, and Congress will not receive reports
from an objective internal auditor." In other words, Congress has limited its
own access to critical information of how taxpayer dollars are being spent.
They've simply given up their role of checking for presidential abuse.

The bill "eliminates provisions to ensure that it (Congress) receives timely
access to intelligence, and it also allows the White House's Office of
Management and Budget to screen testimony before the Intelligence Director
presents it to the Congress." So, now Bush can either stonewall Congress
entirely or just cherry-pick the tidbits he doesn't mind handing over. The
Congress is just paving the way for even greater secrecy.

Needless to say, all the whistle-blower protections have been removed from
the new bill. In this new paradigm of Mafia-style governance the only
unpardonable offense is reporting the crimes of one's bosses. Now, the Bush
Fedayeen can purge the entire intelligence apparatus and no one will be the
wiser.

Also, the Intelligence budget (around$20 billion) will be shielded from
Congressional scrutiny. Can you believe it? The Congress is cutting a blank
check for $20 billion to Bush and they don't want to know what he's doing
with the money?!? There's no doubt that copious amounts of cash will be
dumped into illicit activity, like dirty tricks, covert operations, torture
facilities and death squads.

And here's a good one: "The Intelligence Director shall have authority to
direct or undertake electronic surveillance and physical search operations
pursuant to FISA if authorized by statute or executive order."

Executive order? Oh, good. You won't need to bother with cumbersome courts
and laws to overturn the 4th amendment anymore, just a nod from George Bush
and away-you-go. Did even one senator consider that the 4th amendment was
designed to protect against the intrusions of a monarch? Now, they've
surrendered that power to Bush?

Another provision asserts that terrorist suspects may be immediately
considered flight risks, so prosecutors don't have to prove it to a judge.
Just the label of "terrorist" is enough to eliminate the "presumption of
innocence". If the Bush Stasi throws you in the slammer, you must be guilty.
Otherwise, why would they waste their time?

The administration has been working on this angle for some time. Whether
rounding up 1200 suspects after 9-11 and dispatching them in secret hearings,
or rolling up enemy combatants and dumping them in solitary confinement, the
Bushies never liked the idea that someone had to break the law to be
arrested. This new provision enshrines the principle of arbitrary
imprisonment, allowing the president to incarcerate anyone he chooses
(indefinitely) without charges. This cuts the heart-and soul out of the Bill
of Rights. It overturns the 5th and 6th amendments and eviscerates due
process protections in one-fell-swoop. What's to keep the president from
tossing political enemies, protestors or union activists in jail? If he hangs
the terror moniker on them he's not required to make any explanation or
produce any evidence. Why bother with rights or attorneys? This bill gives
Bush's "gut-feelings" the force of the law.

It's hauntingly clear when Bush said he didn't mind dictatorship "as long as
I'm the dictator", he was being remarkably clairvoyant.

Is it possible that the average citizen still can't see what's going on?
Beyond the media fog, the Intelligence Reform bill is the worst abridgement
of civil rights since the Patriot Act. It further enhances the power of the
president while cutting the ground out from under the Constitution.

These fascist schemes aren't being cooked up in the Oval Office. It's
doubtful that Bush will ever even read this miserable bill, but he knows its
content, and he knows it is endorsed by his most powerful constituents. They've
produced a coherent ideology that disguises their real intentions and now,
they're putting their plan into action. With the support of key players in
the House and Senate (and media) they're remaking the American political
system. There's nothing accidental about these dramatic,
Constitution-shredding provisions. They simply reflect the values of a
"privileged few" who do not accept the legitimacy of democratic government.
This new bill shows their determination to establish autocratic rule in
America.

So far, I'd say there doing a pretty decent job.

Anti-semite terrorist *****-kissing loser!
;-)
One by one the safeguards fall, and those who support it will regret
it in due time. I've given up arguing about the Patriot Act to the
neocon slime in this group. Their minds are so far gone by now, it
would be much more difficult now than it was a year ago. When I first
read the Bible's 'Revelations', I could never understand how the whole
world could possibly be duped by an anti-christ. Not saying that Bush
is the anti-christ, but I can certainly draw similarity between him,
Hitler and Stalin. When I see how the people blindly supported
*them*, it makes it so much easier to understand that mindless slaves
still exist in present society.
.
User: "Grantland"

Title: Re: Intelligence Reform 13 Dec 2004 07:53:51 AM
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:05:39 -0500, "MonsieurStat"
<Monsieurstat@yahoo.com> wrote:

Intelligence Reform or Patriot Act 2
By Mike Whitney
December 12, 2004

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in an American flag" Huey
Long, Senator (D-LA)

"The new provision enshrines the principle of arbitrary imprisonment,
allowing the president to incarcerate anyone he chooses (indefinitely)
without charges."

The new Intelligence reform bill reads like a "how-to" manual for
constructing fascism in the "homeland". This is no joke. At 600 plus pages
none of the senators or congressman even had time to read it, but like the
Patriot Act, they've rammed it through to satisfy their paymasters. By next
week, President Bush will have signed it into law and we'll be stuck with the
aftereffects for years.

Predictably, the media has diverted public attention from the content of the
bill, focusing instead on the cabinet-level position of NID (National
Intelligence Director) The new post integrates many of the individual
(intelligence) agencies under one senior manager, but does little to improve
national security. In fact, it just adds another layer of bureaucracy to an
already confusing system. Americans are in greater danger now than ever
because of the stubborn refusal to make changes in foreign policy. As a
recent classified Pentagon report stated, "They don't hate our freedom, they
hate our policies" and those policies have only gotten worse since the
occupation of Iraq. The appointment of an Intelligence czar does nothing to
relieve that situation.

Intelligence reform has been a stealth-project from the get-go. It was
intended to shift the blame for 9-11 and the Iraq war (WMD) to the Intel
organizations (primarily the CIA). It's complete nonsense. Everyone knows the
problems stemmed from the falsifying of information by the Bush team, so
there was no reason to go through all the hoopla of "fixing" the system.

Instead of addressing the underlying issues, the new bill eviscerates what's
left of the Bill of Rights and hands over more power to Bush. Now, Bush is
free to hand-pick the men he wants for top-level Intelligence positions
without Senate confirmation - an invitation to create his personal security
apparatus without congressional interference. The bill also decreases
Congress' powers of oversight. The new Intelligence Director can exempt his
office from "audits and investigations, and Congress will not receive reports
from an objective internal auditor." In other words, Congress has limited its
own access to critical information of how taxpayer dollars are being spent.
They've simply given up their role of checking for presidential abuse.

The bill "eliminates provisions to ensure that it (Congress) receives timely
access to intelligence, and it also allows the White House's Office of
Management and Budget to screen testimony before the Intelligence Director
presents it to the Congress." So, now Bush can either stonewall Congress
entirely or just cherry-pick the tidbits he doesn't mind handing over. The
Congress is just paving the way for even greater secrecy.

Needless to say, all the whistle-blower protections have been removed from
the new bill. In this new paradigm of Mafia-style governance the only
unpardonable offense is reporting the crimes of one's bosses. Now, the Bush
Fedayeen can purge the entire intelligence apparatus and no one will be the
wiser.

Also, the Intelligence budget (around$20 billion) will be shielded from
Congressional scrutiny. Can you believe it? The Congress is cutting a blank
check for $20 billion to Bush and they don't want to know what he's doing
with the money?!? There's no doubt that copious amounts of cash will be
dumped into illicit activity, like dirty tricks, covert operations, torture
facilities and death squads.

And here's a good one: "The Intelligence Director shall have authority to
direct or undertake electronic surveillance and physical search operations
pursuant to FISA if authorized by statute or executive order."

Executive order? Oh, good. You won't need to bother with cumbersome courts
and laws to overturn the 4th amendment anymore, just a nod from George Bush
and away-you-go. Did even one senator consider that the 4th amendment was
designed to protect against the intrusions of a monarch? Now, they've
surrendered that power to Bush?

Another provision asserts that terrorist suspects may be immediately
considered flight risks, so prosecutors don't have to prove it to a judge.
Just the label of "terrorist" is enough to eliminate the "presumption of
innocence". If the Bush Stasi throws you in the slammer, you must be guilty.
Otherwise, why would they waste their time?

The administration has been working on this angle for some time. Whether
rounding up 1200 suspects after 9-11 and dispatching them in secret hearings,
or rolling up enemy combatants and dumping them in solitary confinement, the
Bushies never liked the idea that someone had to break the law to be
arrested. This new provision enshrines the principle of arbitrary
imprisonment, allowing the president to incarcerate anyone he chooses
(indefinitely) without charges. This cuts the heart-and soul out of the Bill
of Rights. It overturns the 5th and 6th amendments and eviscerates due
process protections in one-fell-swoop. What's to keep the president from
tossing political enemies, protestors or union activists in jail? If he hangs
the terror moniker on them he's not required to make any explanation or
produce any evidence. Why bother with rights or attorneys? This bill gives
Bush's "gut-feelings" the force of the law.

It's hauntingly clear when Bush said he didn't mind dictatorship "as long as
I'm the dictator", he was being remarkably clairvoyant.

Is it possible that the average citizen still can't see what's going on?
Beyond the media fog, the Intelligence Reform bill is the worst abridgement
of civil rights since the Patriot Act. It further enhances the power of the
president while cutting the ground out from under the Constitution.

These fascist schemes aren't being cooked up in the Oval Office. It's
doubtful that Bush will ever even read this miserable bill, but he knows its
content, and he knows it is endorsed by his most powerful constituents. They've
produced a coherent ideology that disguises their real intentions and now,
they're putting their plan into action. With the support of key players in
the House and Senate (and media) they're remaking the American political
system. There's nothing accidental about these dramatic,
Constitution-shredding provisions. They simply reflect the values of a
"privileged few" who do not accept the legitimacy of democratic government.
This new bill shows their determination to establish autocratic rule in
America.

So far, I'd say there doing a pretty decent job.


Anti-semite terrorist *****-kissing loser!

;-)

One by one the safeguards fall, and those who support it will regret
it in due time. I've given up arguing about the Patriot Act to the
neocon slime in this group. Their minds are so far gone by now, it
would be much more difficult now than it was a year ago. When I first
read the Bible's 'Revelations', I could never understand how the whole
world could possibly be duped by an anti-christ. Not saying that Bush
is the anti-christ, but I can certainly draw similarity between him,
Hitler and Stalin. When I see how the people blindly supported
*them*, it makes it so much easier to understand that mindless slaves
still exist in present society.

Hear Hear!
Grantland
.



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