http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds.htm
"APFSDS (Armoured Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot) ammunition is a
type of anti-tank round. It uses kinetic energy to penetrate armoured
vehicles, and is often referred to as a KE round"
So it doesn't "melt through the mettle (sic)" but relies on kinetic energy
to penetrate armour
Now then, let's have a look at HEAT rounds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT
"High explosive anti-tank, more commonly known as HEAT, rounds are made of
an explosive shaped charge that uses the Munroe effect to create a very high
velocity jet of metal in a state of superplasticity that can punch through
solid armor."
Ah, now you could argue that one DOES "melt through mettle (sic)" - it
certainly doesn't rely on kinetics. Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it? One is a solid, dart shaped projectile, the
other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive. What sort of
absolute fucking fool would attempt to argue they were the same thing?
Better yet, what kind of lying fucking fool would claim to be a tank crewman
and argue they were the same thing?
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds.htm
"APFSDS (Armoured Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot) ammunition
is a type of anti-tank round. It uses kinetic energy to penetrate
armoured vehicles, and is often referred to as a KE round"
So it doesn't "melt through the mettle (sic)" but relies on kinetic
energy to penetrate armour
Now then, let's have a look at HEAT rounds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT
"High explosive anti-tank, more commonly known as HEAT, rounds are made
of an explosive shaped charge that uses the Munroe effect to create a
very high velocity jet of metal in a state of superplasticity that can
punch through solid armor."
Ah, now you could argue that one DOES "melt through mettle (sic)" - it
certainly doesn't rely on kinetics. Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it? One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive. What
sort of absolute fucking fool would attempt to argue they were the same
thing? Better yet, what kind of lying fucking fool would claim to be a
tank crewman and argue they were the same thing?
I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
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08 Dec 2004 03:09:41 AM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds.htm
"APFSDS (Armoured Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot) ammunition
is a type of anti-tank round. It uses kinetic energy to penetrate
armoured vehicles, and is often referred to as a KE round"
So it doesn't "melt through the mettle (sic)" but relies on kinetic
energy to penetrate armour
Now then, let's have a look at HEAT rounds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT
"High explosive anti-tank, more commonly known as HEAT, rounds are made
of an explosive shaped charge that uses the Munroe effect to create a
very high velocity jet of metal in a state of superplasticity that can
punch through solid armor."
Ah, now you could argue that one DOES "melt through mettle (sic)" - it
certainly doesn't rely on kinetics. Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it? One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive. What
sort of absolute fucking fool would attempt to argue they were the same
thing? Better yet, what kind of lying fucking fool would claim to be a
tank crewman and argue they were the same thing?
I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
HEAT (the one that "melts through the mettle (sic)" certainly doesn't. Or at
least you'd have to get close and hit it a few times in the same spot. A DU
penetrator (which most certainly DOESN'T "melt through the mettle (sic)")
woudl have a much better chance.
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
I hadn't actually seen any, but I don't watch much TV these days.
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
I'd guess at sort sort of improvised roadside bomb. Knock a track off and
tanks are pretty vulnerable.
No matter what that fool macdonald said, I find it hilariously unlikely that
terrorists woudl
a) Bother to acquire DU
b) Have the manufacturing capability to make a penetrator out of it and
c) Have access to a suitable gun to fire it out of (it needs to be going
*fucking* fast to work properly)
Amusingly, Mikey's link here:
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/large-caliber_ammunition.html
Shows just how stupid you'd have to be to confuse a DU penetrator (APFSDSDU)
with a HEAT round....
Good to see Mikey is STILL being that stupid...
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08 Dec 2004 02:51:05 AM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
Chobham armour isn't impenetrable so given the right type of round
and dependant on where that round strikes any tank is vulnerable.
Many of the current crop of ATM's are designed to attack from above
where the tank armour is thinnest so really it depends on what weapon
one has at hand to fight with.
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08 Dec 2004 07:07:22 AM |
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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
Chobham armour isn't impenetrable so given the right type of round
and dependant on where that round strikes any tank is vulnerable.
Mines being a particular danger. I bet there's plenty of those kicking
around in Iraq too.
Many of the current crop of ATM's are designed to attack from above
where the tank armour is thinnest so really it depends on what weapon
one has at hand to fight with.
I hadn't heard any accounts of them being hit with ATMs, but mind you I
haven't seen many accounts of tanks being hit at all.
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08 Dec 2004 09:06:36 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Chobham armour isn't impenetrable so given the right type of round
and dependant on where that round strikes any tank is vulnerable.
Mines being a particular danger. I bet there's plenty of those kicking
around in Iraq too.
Absolutely, the easiest way to disable a tracked vehicle is, of course,
damage the track.
Many of the current crop of ATM's are designed to attack from above
where the tank armour is thinnest so really it depends on what weapon
one has at hand to fight with.
I hadn't heard any accounts of them being hit with ATMs, but mind you I
haven't seen many accounts of tanks being hit at all.
I don't think the have from what I've heard, I was just trying to point
out that chobham armour, while excellent, isn't an impenetrable shield.
Interestingly I did once see a starstreak SAM being used to destroy
a tracked vehicle, now that was sone kinetic kill I can tell you ;0)
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08 Dec 2004 06:58:29 PM |
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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> Spat the Words
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Chobham armour isn't impenetrable so given the right type of round
and dependant on where that round strikes any tank is vulnerable.
Mines being a particular danger. I bet there's plenty of those kicking
around in Iraq too.
Absolutely, the easiest way to disable a tracked vehicle is, of course,
damage the track.
Many of the current crop of ATM's are designed to attack from above
where the tank armour is thinnest so really it depends on what weapon
one has at hand to fight with.
I hadn't heard any accounts of them being hit with ATMs, but mind you I
haven't seen many accounts of tanks being hit at all.
I've seen a few burned out Abrams from Gulf War II news footage.
They never really say how the tank was disabled. It could've been
just mechanical failure, then destruction by the US Army.
I don't think the have from what I've heard, I was just trying to point
out that chobham armour, while excellent, isn't an impenetrable shield.
Interestingly I did once see a starstreak SAM being used to destroy
a tracked vehicle, now that was sone kinetic kill I can tell you ;0)
I'm guessing those missiles travel very fast.
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09 Dec 2004 03:42:30 AM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> Spat the Words
I don't think the have from what I've heard, I was just trying to point
out that chobham armour, while excellent, isn't an impenetrable shield.
Interestingly I did once see a starstreak SAM being used to destroy
a tracked vehicle, now that was sone kinetic kill I can tell you ;0)
I'm guessing those missiles travel very fast.
Oh they do, about Mach 3 or so I believe. Once more for Mikey -- kinetic
energy is defined as :
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed."
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09 Dec 2004 12:56:23 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> Spat the Words
I don't think the have from what I've heard, I was just trying to
point out that chobham armour, while excellent, isn't an impenetrable
shield. Interestingly I did once see a starstreak SAM being used to
destroy a tracked vehicle, now that was sone kinetic kill I can tell
you ;0)
I'm guessing those missiles travel very fast.
Oh they do, about Mach 3 or so I believe. Once more for Mikey -- kinetic
energy is defined as :
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one half
the mass of the body times the square of its speed."
He needs to take a couple college physics classes. They do a
pretty good job of defining kinetic vs potential energy.
Imagine one of those mach 10 ballistic objects smashing into something.
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09 Dec 2004 12:52:37 PM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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I've seen a few burned out Abrams from Gulf War II news footage.
They never really say how the tank was disabled. It could've been
just mechanical failure, then destruction by the US Army.
I've read accounts where they've been disabled either by lucky RPG
or large mine and once the crew are recovered they're destroyed by
other M1's if they can't be retrieved.
I don't think the have from what I've heard, I was just trying to point
out that chobham armour, while excellent, isn't an impenetrable shield.
Interestingly I did once see a starstreak SAM being used to destroy
a tracked vehicle, now that was sone kinetic kill I can tell you ;0)
I'm guessing those missiles travel very fast.
Nominal speed of Mach3+ which, at ground level, makes a hell of a display
when it hits something as solid as an MBT. The missile uses 3 explosive
penetrators to destroy its target.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/starstreak/index.html
for more info if you're interested.
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07 Dec 2004 10:32:51 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds.htm
"APFSDS (Armoured Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot)
ammunition
is a type of anti-tank round. It uses kinetic energy to penetrate
armoured vehicles, and is often referred to as a KE round"
So it doesn't "melt through the mettle (sic)" but relies on kinetic
energy to penetrate armour
Now then, let's have a look at HEAT rounds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT
"High explosive anti-tank, more commonly known as HEAT, rounds are
made
of an explosive shaped charge that uses the Munroe effect to create
a
very high velocity jet of metal in a state of superplasticity that
can
punch through solid armor."
Anti-tank weapons
A major use of DU is for high-energy penetrators for the anti-tank
role. Depleted uranium is very dense: at 19.05 g/cm=B3, it is 70% denser
than lead, allowing it to penetrate most conventional armor.
Additionally, DU is pyrophoric: if it penetrates steel or other metal
armor, the heat build-up causes it to disintegrate and combust when it
reaches air.
"heat build-up causes "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
''APFSDSDU: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot Depleted
Uranium, an APFSDS round made of heavy metal ... Ground mode acts like
a normal HEAT round.'' (source see link)
Ah, now you could argue that one DOES "melt through mettle (sic)"
That what I always said. It melts the mettel,so it is a new type, and
better advanced HEAT ROUND.
Here is your title:
Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds
If you thought I was wrong you would use your usual attack titles, eh
crappy? ;) What is it? How long... More than a year you accuse me of
lying, and now you finally try to research this yourself and see you
are a buffoon -baboon ;)
- it
certainly doesn't rely on kinetics.
No Moron, 'Kinetics is the study of the rate at which compounds react.
This depends on several factors, including the area of contact between
the materials, their concentrations, and the temperature at which the
reaction takes place.'
Notice temperature, stupid- moron? What do you think is the key
reaction of DU to penetrate that hardened mettle? Ice cubes you idiot?
DU is the new high-tech heat rounds that were made to penetrate the
new hardened mettle that older heat round tech could not penetrate -
moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetics
Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it?
That is because you have one brain cell moron and it looks as it has
ran out of power. ;)
One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive.
Yep, and the traditional shell does dilly squat to what the main
discussion was about - how to penetrate modern tanks and Iraq W I.
(1990)
What
? Are getting called by your terrorist boyfriend why writing this or
just talking to yourself again out loud?
sort of absolute fucking fool would attempt to argue they were the
same
thing? Better yet, what kind of lying fucking fool would claim to
be a
tank crewman and argue they were the same thing?
I'm not a tank crew man, just showing your delusional self here at
A=2EP.N. again...Better get back on those meds boy - your continually
losing it more and more each second ;)
I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
you can check it here spaz.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/large-caliber_ammunition.html
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
Where? Lots of there tanks gone. ;) I know road side bombs can kill
tanks and that is there MO - or haven't you been watching the war
idiot?
Also, maybe they got some too. DU is widely available on the black
market moron. Its not like its weapons grade Uranium or Plutonium, eh
stupid?
''IDF's Intelligence Chief: 1000 Iraqi tanks destroyed till today
(April 08, 2003)''
YOU SEE ASSWIPE THAT THE DU IS AFFIXT TO THE HEAT ROUNDS OF TODAY OR IN
THIS CASE THE IRAQ war I that was the original discussion.
Look.....
"Several high-explosive antitank (HEAT) rounds and belts of small arms
ammunition lay near the tank. After removing several DU penetrators and
getting EOD advice, the team exploded the HEAT and small arms
ammunition in place." -1990 Iraq War I
http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/du_ii_tabj.htm
Have a nice day crapshit for brains ;)
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08 Dec 2004 02:04:40 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That what I always said. It melts the mettel,so it is a new type, and
better advanced HEAT ROUND.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
If you thought I was wrong you would use your usual attack titles, eh
crappy? ;) What is it? How long... More than a year you accuse me of
lying, and now you finally try to research this yourself and see you
are a buffoon -baboon ;)
Snort!
- it
certainly doesn't rely on kinetics.
No Moron, 'Kinetics is the study of the rate at which compounds react.
No, moron, in this context the primary definition of kinetic applies. YOu
dumb *****.
This depends on several factors, including the area of contact between
the materials, their concentrations, and the temperature at which the
reaction takes place.'
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Notice temperature, stupid- moron? What do you think is the key
reaction of DU to penetrate that hardened mettle? Ice cubes you idiot?
Primary definition, mikey, primary definition:
"The branch of mechanics concerned with the effects of forces on the motion
of a body or system of bodies, especially of forces that do not originate
within the system itself. Also called dynamics"
DU is the new high-tech heat rounds
that were made to penetrate thenew hardened mettle that older heat round
tech could not penetrate -moron.
HEAT stands for High Expliosive Anti Tank. Now please show me where the high
explosive is in a APFSDS round, you hapless fuckwit!
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetics
BWAHAHAHAHA! Wrong kinetics, you fucking fool. Try the primary defiition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetics
Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it?
That is because you have one brain cell moron and it looks as it has
ran out of power. ;)
Ohh. ...sweet, delicious irony.
One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive.
Yep, and the traditional shell does dilly squat to what the main
discussion was about - how to penetrate modern tanks and Iraq W I.
No, the discussion was about the gul fof difference between a HEAT round and
a solid penetrator, not to mention the fact that penetrators DON'T "melt
through the mettle (sic)" but rely on kinetic energy to punch through.
<snip idiocy>
sort of absolute fucking fool would attempt to argue they were the
same
thing? Better yet, what kind of lying fucking fool would claim to
be a
tank crewman and argue they were the same thing?
I'm not a tank crew man, just showing your delusional self here at
A.P.N. again...Better get back on those meds boy - your continually
losing it more and more each second ;)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
you can check it here spaz.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/large-caliber_ammunition.html
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
Where? Lots of there tanks gone. ;) I know road side bombs can kill
tanks and that is there MO - or haven't you been watching the war
idiot?
Also, maybe they got some too. DU is widely available on the black
market moron. Its not like its weapons grade Uranium or Plutonium, eh
stupid?
''IDF's Intelligence Chief: 1000 Iraqi tanks destroyed till today
(April 08, 2003)''
YOU SEE ASSWIPE THAT THE DU IS AFFIXT TO THE HEAT ROUNDS OF TODAY OR IN
THIS CASE THE IRAQ war I that was the original discussion.
Affixt? Inventing words now are you?
Look.....
Oh I will..
"Several high-explosive antitank (HEAT) rounds
There's a clue.. now where's the HE in DU penetrators again? LOL
and belts of small arms
ammunition lay near the tank. After removing several DU penetrators and
getting EOD advice, the team exploded the HEAT and small arms
ammunition in place." -1990 Iraq War I
http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/du_ii_tabj.htm
...you simply prove you are an illiterate fuckwit again. Are you now trying
to calim HEAT rounds and belts of small arms are the same, merely because
they get a mention in the same paragraph?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Have a nice day crapshit for brains ;)
Oh, I will, this has put me in an excellent mood.
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Nope, it is your flailing, substandard brain.
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27 Dec 2004 11:57:42 PM |
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seal for
a few minutes.
Fry the rolls:
325° if using egg roll wraps, 350° for spring roll wraps.
Deep fry in peanut oil till crispy golden brown, drain on paper towels.
Lemon Neonate
Turkey serves just as well, and in fact even looks a bit like a
well-dressed baby. By the time you turn the child?s breast into
cutlets, it will be indistinguishable. The taste of young human,
although similar to turkey (and chicken) often can be wildly
different depending upon what he or she has consumed during its
10 to 14 months of life...
4 well chosen cutlets (from the breasts of 2 healthy neonates)
2 large lemons (fresh lemons always, if possible)
Olive oil
Green onions
Salt
pepper
cornstarch
neonate stock (chicken, or turkey stock is fine)
garlic
parsley
fresh cracked black pepper
Season and sauté the cutlets in olive oil till golden brown, remove.
Add the garlic and onions and cook down a bit.
Add some lemon juice and some zest, then de-glaze with stock.
Add a little cornstarch (dissolved in cold water) to the sauce.
You are just about there, Pour the sauce over the cutlets,
top with parsley, lemon slices and cracked pepper.
Serve with spinach salad, macaroni and cheese (homemade) and iced tea...
Spaghetti with Real Italian Meatballs
If you don?t have an expendable bambino on hand,
you can use a pound of ground pork instead.
The secret to great meatballs, is to use very lean meat.
1 lb. ground flesh; human or pork
3 lb. ground beef
1 cup finely chopped onions
7 - 12 cloves garlic
1
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08 Dec 2004 12:44:31 PM |
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102480371.928344.186180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
That what I always said. It melts the mettel,so it is a new type,
and
better advanced HEAT ROUND.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
Why because that what it does and was referred too in the new tech of
Iraqi W I?
I'm not going to debate hist. with you and describe all the evolution
of anti-tank weaponry. It is a basic fact that DU was used on HEAT
round buttface and this was the whole argument to possible sickness of
the vets on both sides - moron ***** for brains.
If you thought I was wrong you would use your usual attack titles,
eh
crappy? ;) What is it? How long... More than a year you accuse me of
lying, and now you finally try to research this yourself and see you
are a buffoon -baboon ;)
Snort!
- it
certainly doesn't rely on kinetics.
No Moron, 'Kinetics is the study of the rate at which compounds
react.
No, moron, in this context
***** your context. What I stated was fact *****. Just because you are
screwed up on the hist. of anti-tank weaponry is not my fault dipshit.
The context was IWI. I was commenting of the news of the possibilities
of DU sickness and how they were used in anti-tank weaponry, you
worthless piece of ***** ;)
the primary definition of kinetic applies. YOu
dumb *****.
This depends on several factors, including the area of contact
between
the materials, their concentrations, and the temperature at which
the
reaction takes place.'
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Spazzing out again? Meltdown espresso?
Notice temperature, stupid- moron? What do you think is the key
reaction of DU to penetrate that hardened mettle? Ice cubes you
idiot?
Primary definition, mikey, primary definition:
***** your primary definition. The context was IRI and the related
sickness and anti-tank weaponry you ignorant slubface ;)
Yaz Meltdown continues, eh terd plucker ;)
"The branch of mechanics concerned with the effects of forces on the
motion
of a body or system of bodies, especially of forces that do not
originate
within the system itself. Also called dynamics"
Are you tarding out again, Mr. Melty? ;) lol.
DU is the new high-tech heat rounds
that were made to penetrate thenew hardened mettle that older heat
round
tech could not penetrate -moron.
HEAT stands for High Expliosive Anti Tank. Now please show me where
the high
explosive is in a APFSDS round, you hapless fuckwit!
DU on the tips of HEAT rounds as used in IWI is a basic fact admitted
to and talk about in the national dialogue for at least 10 years, to
some degree, pussyhater ;) The Boys refered to these as heat rounds. On
the battle field they don't yell out ''hey send the ' H' E' A' T
with the Attached " A'P'F'S'D'S''' you dullard.
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetics
BWAHAHAHAHA! Wrong kinetics, you fucking fool. Try the primary
defiition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetics
Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it?
That is because you have one brain cell moron and it looks as it has
ran out of power. ;)
Ohh. ...sweet, delicious
talking about your boyfriends heat-round in ya now, terd licker? ;)
One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive.
Yep, and the traditional shell does dilly squat to what the main
discussion was about - how to penetrate modern tanks and Iraq W I.
No, the discussion was about the gul fof difference between
"gul fof difference between "
What the ***** is that?
Do you know how to write English by -any-chance moron. When you do come
back OK fartbreath? ;)
Man its been a year and you still are confused. ;) Must be the
low-grade education on the back alley's of Sweden's streets, eh
dropout?
a HEAT round and
a solid penetrator, not to mention the fact that penetrators DON'T
"melt
through the mettle (sic)" but rely on kinetic energy to punch
through.
<snip idiocy>
sort of absolute fucking fool would attempt to argue they were
the
same
thing? Better yet, what kind of lying fucking fool would claim
to
be a
tank crewman and argue they were the same thing?
I'm not a tank crew man, just showing your delusional self here at
A.P.N. again...Better get back on those meds boy - your continually
losing it more and more each second ;)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I wonder if either one of these penetrates chobbam armor.
you can check it here spaz.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/large-caliber_ammunition.html
When you see those burned out M1A2 tanks on the news in Iraq,
how do you suppose the Iraqis took those tanks out? Just a
lucky shot in the right spot?
Where? Lots of there tanks gone. ;) I know road side bombs can kill
tanks and that is there MO - or haven't you been watching the war
idiot?
Also, maybe they got some too. DU is widely available on the black
market moron. Its not like its weapons grade Uranium or Plutonium, eh
stupid?
''IDF's Intelligence Chief: 1000 Iraqi tanks destroyed till today
(April 08, 2003)''
YOU SEE ASSWIPE THAT THE DU IS AFFIXT TO THE HEAT ROUNDS OF TODAY OR
IN
THIS CASE THE IRAQ war I that was the original discussion.
Affixt? Inventing words now are you?
Look.....
Oh I will..
"Several high-explosive antitank (HEAT) rounds
There's a clue.. now where's the HE in DU penetrators again? LOL
and belts of small arms
ammunition lay near the tank. After removing several DU penetrators
and
getting EOD advice, the team exploded the HEAT and small arms
ammunition in place." -1990 Iraq War I
http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/du_ii/du_ii_tabj.htm
..you simply prove you are an illiterate fuckwit again. Are you now
trying
to calim HEAT rounds and belts of small arms are the same, merely
because
they get a mention in the same paragraph?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Have a nice day crapshit for brains ;)
Oh, I will, this has put me in an excellent mood.
<If this shows up twice it is the browser - skrew this new
interface>
Nope, it is your flailing, substandard brain.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
09 Dec 2004 03:38:08 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102531471.050461.75160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102480371.928344.186180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
That what I always said. It melts the mettel,so it is a new type,
and
better advanced HEAT ROUND.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
Why because that what it does and was referred too in the new tech of
Iraqi W I?
No, because you claimed HEAT rounds and DU penetrators are the same thing,
then you utterly failed to realise that the PRIMARY definition of kinetic
was the relevant one.
I'm not going to debate hist. with you
A wise choice as you've been spectacularly wrong so far..
and describe all the evolution of anti-tank weaponry.
Of course, not, I obviously know more about it than you.
It is a basic fact that DU was used on HEAT
round buttface and this was the whole argument to possible sickness of
the vets on both sides - moron ***** for brains.
A keeper.. The point is, a DU long-rod penetrator (fnarr) and HEAT rounds
are VERY different things that work on VERY different principles... or do
you think a dart "melts through the mettle(sic)" of a dartboard?
No Moron, 'Kinetics is the study of the rate at which compounds
react.
No, moron, in this context
***** your context. What I stated was fact *****.
Well, it WAS a fact, just the wrong one. You see, kinetics has more than one
definition. I was referring to the primary definition, obviously (as I used
the term "kinetic energy" defined as
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed.")
In other words, get something heavy, and move it very quickly, and it will
contain a lot of kinetic energy.
HEAT rounds work by chemical energy - i.e. explosion.
Just because you are screwed up on the hist. of anti-tank weaponry is not
my fault dipshit.
Ah, no, you see I realise that DU penetrators work by simply slamming
through the armour because they are so hard and going so fast , whereas HEAT
contains an EXPLOSIVE charge. The difference is really, very simple. Shall
we crosspost to a military group and ask them? What do you say?
The context was IWI. I was commenting of the news of the possibilities
of DU sickness and how they were used in anti-tank weaponry, you
worthless piece of ***** ;)
Shall we crosspost to a miltary group and see what they have to say?
This depends on several factors, including the area of contact
between
the materials, their concentrations, and the temperature at which
the
reaction takes place.'
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Spazzing out again? Meltdown espresso?
No, merely laughing at your ignorance of what "kinetic energy" means..
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic%20energy
Notice temperature, stupid- moron? What do you think is the key
reaction of DU to penetrate that hardened mettle? Ice cubes you
idiot?
Primary definition, mikey, primary definition:
***** your primary definition.
I say again, the phrase "kinetic energy" can ONLY apply to the primary
definition of kinetics
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed."
The context was IRI and the related
sickness and anti-tank weaponry you ignorant slubface ;)
Yaz Meltdown continues, eh terd plucker ;)
What the...?
"The branch of mechanics concerned with the effects of forces on the
motion
of a body or system of bodies, especially of forces that do not
originate
within the system itself. Also called dynamics"
Are you tarding out again, Mr. Melty? ;) lol.
Not 'ardly...
DU is the new high-tech heat rounds
that were made to penetrate thenew hardened mettle that older heat
round
tech could not penetrate -moron.
HEAT stands for High Expliosive Anti Tank. Now please show me where
the high
explosive is in a APFSDS round, you hapless fuckwit!
DU on the tips of HEAT rounds as used in IWI is a basic fact admitted
to and talk about in the national dialogue for at least 10 years,
Really?= Strange you can't find any evidence for it. Now look at this link,
boy
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/120.htm
If you can't grasp the diagram near the bottom of the page showing the
divergence between KE (kinetic enegry penetraotrs) and HEAT rounds try going
to these links:
Compare a DU penetrator round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m829a1.htm
with a HEAT round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m830a1.htm
to some degree, pussyhater ;) The Boys refered to these as heat rounds. On
the battle field they don't yell out ''hey send the ' H' E' A' T
with the Attached " A'P'F'S'D'S''' you dullard.
Of course, not, because a HEAT round and a Sabot round (like APFSDS) round
are very different things. You don't attach one to the other.
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetics
BWAHAHAHAHA! Wrong kinetics, you fucking fool. Try the primary
defiition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetics
Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it?
That is because you have one brain cell moron and it looks as it has
ran out of power. ;)
Ohh. ...sweet, delicious
talking about your boyfriends heat-round in ya now, terd licker? ;)
YOu seem obsessed with fantasising about some imaginary boyfriend of mine.
Why is that, MacDonut?
One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high explosive.
Yep, and the traditional shell does dilly squat to what the main
discussion was about - how to penetrate modern tanks and Iraq W I.
No, the discussion was about the gul fof difference between
"gul fof difference between "
What the ***** is that?
A typo, "gulf of difference between" the space got in the wrong place. That
you couldn't work that out reflects badly on yoru intelligence
Do you know how to write English by -any-chance moron. When you do come
back OK fartbreath? ;)
Irony alert..
Man its been a year and you still are confused. ;) Must be the
low-grade education on the back alley's of Sweden's streets, eh
dropout?
I got my MSc in the UK, not Sweden. How's high school going Mikey? Any
chance you'll graduate before your 40th birthday?
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
09 Dec 2004 04:48:11 PM |
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102531471.050461.75160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
news:1102480371.928344.186180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
That what I always said. It melts the metal,so it is a new type,
and
better advanced HEAT ROUND.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
Why because that what it does and was referred too in the new tech
of
Iraqi W I?
No, because you claimed HEAT rounds and DU penetrators are the same
thing,
They were in the IWI you fucking moronic busllshit ;)
then you utterly failed to realise that the PRIMARY definition of
kinetic
was the relevant one.
Initial Definitions
Temperature is a number that is related to the average kinetic energy
of the molecules of a substance. If temperature is measured in Kelvin
degrees, then this number is directly proportional to the average
kinetic energy of the molecules.
Heat is a measurement of the total energy in a substance. That total
energy is made up of not only of the kinetic energies of the molecules
of the substance, but total energy is also made up of the potential
energies of the molecules.(1)
CAN YOU READ FUCKING PIECE OF ***** OR ARE YOU THAT BRAIN DEAD ASSWIPE?
I'm not going to debate hist. with you
A wise choice as you've been spectacularly wrong so far..
and describe all the evolution of anti-tank weaponry.
Of course, not, I obviously know more about it than you.
It is a basic fact that DU was used on HEAT
round buttface and this was the whole argument to possible sickness
of
the vets on both sides - moron ***** for brains.
A keeper.. The point is, a DU long-rod penetrator (fnarr) and HEAT
rounds
are VERY different things that work on VERY different principles...
or do
you think a dart "melts through the mettle(sic)" of a dartboard?
OK Here is your laugh keeper eh crappy? Kinetic energy resulting from
the velocity ( all the aerial dynamics) and the composition of the
molecules helps create intense heat to meal the metal to pierce the
inners of the tank.
Now compare to "melts through the mettle(sic)" in which I was talking
about DU being used as a heat round and not an explosion round.
No Moron, 'Kinetics is the study of the rate at which compounds
react.
No, moron, in this context
***** your context. What I stated was fact *****.
Well, it WAS a fact, just the wrong one.
Whatever spazz you can laugh all you want but you took this out of
context and doesn't really bother me ;) Extreme heat melts the metal on
a DU round impact.
You see, kinetics has more than one
definition. I was referring to the primary definition,
***** your choosing your own definitions- Like calling Christians, Jews
and Islamists - the ones who follow their religions closely as praying
to the DEVIL - where was that definition, tard?
i sure like to see that one. Oh it is Your own IP address too after you
denied you sent that ;) Good going tard for brains. Must be all those
savages, eh tard?
Fucking again dipshit: Extreme heat melts the metal on a DU round
impact.
obviously (as I used
the term "kinetic energy" defined as
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one
half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed.")
In other words, get something heavy, and move it very quickly, and it
will
contain a lot of kinetic energy.
Stop talking down to me with your cut and past from others. You usually
cannot write as clearly as this - thus making a real suspicion here to
a cut and past job by a poser who never came up with defs. for over
about a year on this.
HEAT rounds work by chemical energy - i.e. explosion.
So what? who cares. The heat of the metal is all that I'm worried about
and both do this. You seem to say this doesn't happen - can you
explain that? The basic idea is that heat 'so fucking high' is created
on contact that it instantly melts the metal creating a pathway into
the inners of the tank.
That is what I was trying to say and said! They on the battle field
called them heat rounds not HEAT rounds. If there is a separate def.
for a H E A T round than that was the confusion - so what. celebrate
all you want fool, it has no concern for me. I don't care. But you
accuse me on saying that heat does not melt the metal which is the
case. You said it here and said it other places. Now take this to your
military news group and ask for your own sanity ;)
Your libel and crap ***** is more greater issue here than this
miscontexted defining of DU or HEAT round *****-for-brains. I do not
even know why I respond to other than responding to your consistent use
of libel against me.
Just because you are screwed up on the hist. of anti-tank weaponry
is not
my fault dipshit.
Ah, no, you see I realise that DU penetrators work by simply slamming
through the armour because they are so hard and going so fast ,
whereas HEAT
contains an EXPLOSIVE charge.
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BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
"are so hard and going so fast?"
And Mr. libeling genius what happens to the metal when this round hit
that outer layer? Go on tell us - we are all waiting - tell of the
chemical reactions to the metal itself as I duly stated ;) This should
be a blast of fun ;)
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
Classic idiocy by you tard boy ;)
Yes, this ' STATEMENT ' does make you and extreme moron now - I can
laugh my way home now after that faux pas by you.
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
The difference is really, very simple.
To simple for a moron mind like yaz ;) lol.
I'm still laughing at ya about your saying that (DU round) it has
nothing to do with heat ;)
BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
You made my day fuckwade ;)
Shall
we crosspost to a military group and ask them? What do you say?
Go ahead this should be FUN and FUNNY too. Tell them to get back to me.
Don't forget to bring your terrorist boyfriend along too ;)
The context was IWI. I was commenting of the news of the
possibilities
of DU sickness and how they were used in anti-tank weaponry, you
worthless piece of ***** ;)
Shall we crosspost to a miltary group and see what they have to say?
Are ya melting down so hard that you are repeating yourself
spastic-backside- snifter? ;)
BWahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This depends on several factors, including the area of contact
between
the materials, their concentrations, and the temperature at
which
the
reaction takes place.'
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Spazzing out again? Meltdown espresso?
No, merely laughing at your ignorance of what "kinetic energy"
means..
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic%20energy
lol.
Notice temperature, stupid- moron? What do you think is the key
reaction of DU to penetrate that hardened mettle? Ice cubes you
idiot?
Primary definition, mikey, primary definition:
***** your primary definition.
I say again, the phrase "kinetic energy" can ONLY apply to the
primary
definition of kinetics
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one
half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed."
The context was IRI and the related
sickness and anti-tank weaponry you ignorant slubface ;)
Yaz Meltdown continues, eh terd plucker ;)
What the...?
"The branch of mechanics concerned with the effects of forces on
the
motion
of a body or system of bodies, especially of forces that do not
originate
within the system itself. Also called dynamics"
Are you tarding out again, Mr. Melty? ;) lol.
Not 'ardly...
Is that an attempt to spell now?
DU is the new high-tech heat rounds
that were made to penetrate thenew hardened mettle that older
heat
round
tech could not penetrate -moron.
HEAT stands for High Expliosive Anti Tank. Now please show me
where
the high
explosive is in a APFSDS round, you hapless fuckwit!
DU on the tips of HEAT rounds as used in IWI is a basic fact
admitted
to and talk about in the national dialogue for at least 10 years,
Really?= Strange you can't find any evidence for it. Now look at this
link,
boy
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/120.htm
If you can't grasp the diagram near the bottom of the page showing
the
divergence between KE (kinetic enegry penetraotrs) and HEAT rounds
try going
to these links:
Compare a DU penetrator round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m829a1.htm
with a HEAT round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m830a1.htm
to some degree, pussyhater ;) The Boys refered to these as heat
rounds. On
the battle field they don't yell out ''hey send the ' H' E' A' T
with the Attached " A'P'F'S'D'S''' you dullard.
Of course, not, because a HEAT round and a Sabot round (like APFSDS)
round
are very different things.
Who said they weren't idiot. I said on the battle field they called
them heat round, just the same when they were outfitted with the DU
TYPE AMMO you fuckin' spazzz boy ;)
You don't attach one to the other.
bLAH bLAH bLAH.... who cares they are the advanced forms of antitank
weaponry and use heat to melt the mettle as I said. When you implied
kinetic energy has nothing to do with heat & melting upon impact -
you show your self more the moron than usual ;)
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetics
BWAHAHAHAHA! Wrong kinetics, you fucking fool. Try the primary
defiition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetics
Hmm.. doesn't look liek they're even
remotely the same thing does it?
That is because you have one brain cell moron and it looks as it
has
ran out of power. ;)
Ohh. ...sweet, delicious
talking about your boyfriends heat-round in ya now, terd licker? ;)
YOu seem obsessed with fantasising about some imaginary boyfriend of
mine.
Not imaginary but real you flaming terrorist supporting fucktard ;)
Why is that, MacDonut?
Hummm, because you suck terrorist *****, eh, crap ***** - you should know
and playing the little *****, eh asslicking terrorist butface that you
are is all we know about ya ;)
One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high
explosive.
Yep, and the traditional shell does dilly squat to what the main
discussion was about - how to penetrate modern tanks and Iraq W
I.
No, the discussion was about the gul fof difference between
"gul fof difference between "
What the ***** is that?
A typo,
***** - you are that stupid idiot ;)
Ahh...NO you actually tried to write little ***** ;) that was a
genuine attempt at literary greatness on your part. Nice to see you
fail so miserably ;)
"gulf of difference between"
***** you - you are a retard ;)
the space got in the wrong place. That
you couldn't work that out reflects badly on yoru intelligence
"yoru intelligence?"
What Spazzzzz? ;) I see this is not a cut and pasty by yaz ;)
Do you know how to write English by -any-chance moron. When you do
come
back OK fartbreath? ;)
Irony alert..
So now you are in 'Irony mode' lol. ;)
Man its been a year and you still are confused. ;) Must be the
low-grade education on the back alley's of Sweden's streets, eh
dropout?
I got my MSc in the UK, not Sweden. How's high school going Mikey?
Blah, Blah Blah says the terrorist supporting crap ***** ;)
Any
chance you'll graduate before your 40th birthday?
Your terrorist boyfriend is waiting patiently for your get together
plans this weakened. Trust me, I bet it will be a bang-up time ;)
(1)
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=kinetic+heat/v=2/SID=e/TID=OOP5_5/l=WS1/R=1/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=2/SIG=136q5s8lr/*-http://id.mind.net/~zona/mstm/physics/mechanics/energy/heatAndTemperature/heatAndTemperature.html
(
by-bY tINY wEINER THE fUCKWAD ;)
dON'T WASTE MY TIME TARDBOY ;)
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
10 Dec 2004 03:26:33 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102632491.425393.276310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102531471.050461.75160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
news:1102480371.928344.186180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
That what I always said. It melts the metal,so it is a new type,
and
better advanced HEAT ROUND.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
Why because that what it does and was referred too in the new tech
of
Iraqi W I?
No, because you claimed HEAT rounds and DU penetrators are the same
thing,
They were in the IWI you fucking moronic busllshit ;)
NO, Mikey, no they weren't
Compare a DU penetrator round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m829a1.htm
with a HEAT round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m830a1.htm
Shall we crosspost this to a military group?
then you utterly failed to realise that the PRIMARY definition of
kinetic
was the relevant one.
Initial Definitions
Temperature is a number that is related to the average kinetic energy
of the molecules of a substance. If temperature is measured in Kelvin
degrees, then this number is directly proportional to the average
kinetic energy of the molecules.
Heat is a measurement of the total energy in a substance. That total
energy is made up of not only of the kinetic energies of the molecules
of the substance, but total energy is also made up of the potential
energies of the molecules.(1)
CAN YOU READ FUCKING PIECE OF ***** OR ARE YOU THAT BRAIN DEAD ASSWIPE?
I can read, but unlike you I can understand as well. Shall we crosspost to
sci.physics and see what their take on this is?
A keeper.. The point is, a DU long-rod penetrator (fnarr) and HEAT
rounds
are VERY different things that work on VERY different principles...
or do
you think a dart "melts through the mettle(sic)" of a dartboard?
OK Here is your laugh keeper eh crappy? Kinetic energy resulting from
the velocity ( all the aerial dynamics) and the composition of the
molecules helps create intense heat to meal the metal to pierce the
inners of the tank.
No, mikey. As I said, this is kinetic energy we're talking about. You have
got it confused with the chemical term "kinetics". A Kinetic Energy round
(like a DU penetrator) uses, surprise surprise KINETIC ENERGY to defeat
armour. Much as a dart uses kinetic energy to stick in a dartboard.
Now compare to "melts through the mettle(sic)" in which I was talking
about DU being used as a heat round and not an explosion round.
A HEAT round *is* an explosive round. When you're talking about tank
ammunition, "heat" means one thing, and one thing only: High Explosive Anti
Tank.
Shall we crosspost this to a militray group?
***** your context. What I stated was fact *****.
Well, it WAS a fact, just the wrong one.
Whatever spazz you can laugh all you want
I know, you make it so easy.
but you took this out of
context and doesn't really bother me ;) Extreme heat melts the metal on
a DU round impact.
Oh, there's heat produced alright, the issue was whether a DU round uses
this heat to penetrate or not. It doesn't. Or do you think that a rock
thrown through a window melts through the glass?
You see, kinetics has more than one
definition. I was referring to the primary definition,
***** your choosing your own definitions-
It's not MY definition,it's the dictionary's:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic
Fucking again dipshit: Extreme heat melts the metal on a DU round
impact.
Intersting backpedal, initially you claimed the DU melted through the
armour, no wyo uclaim teh DU itself melts.It doesn't. It is pyrophoric
though in dust form.
obviously (as I used
the term "kinetic energy" defined as
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one
half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed.")
In other words, get something heavy, and move it very quickly, and it
will
contain a lot of kinetic energy.
Stop talking down to me with your cut and past from others. You usually
cannot write as clearly as this - thus making a real suspicion here to
a cut and past job by a poser who never came up with defs. for over
about a year on this.
*Snigger* You wil notice the quotation marks around the definition. I was
quoting from a physics text book.
HEAT rounds work by chemical energy - i.e. explosion.
So what? who cares. The heat of the metal is all that I'm worried about
and both do this. You seem to say this doesn't happen - can you
explain that? The basic idea is that heat 'so fucking high' is created
on contact that it instantly melts the metal creating a pathway into
the inners of the tank.
No it doesn't. It uses kinetic energy to pierce the metal, combined with its
own hardnes and self-sharpening properties. Get a knife, stick it in a coke
can - did the knife melt its way through?
That is what I was trying to say and said! They on the battle field
called them heat rounds not HEAT rounds. If there is a separate def.
for a H E A T round than that was the confusion - so what. celebrate
all you want fool, it has no concern for me. I don't care. But you
accuse me on saying that heat does not melt the metal which is the
case. You said it here and said it other places. Now take this to your
military news group and ask for your own sanity ;)
Even for you, this is a particularly nonsensical paragraph. I have given you
plenty of links to show you just how DU rounds work, yet you are unable, (or
possibly just unwilling) to understand those sources.
Your libel and crap ***** is more greater issue here than this
miscontexted defining of DU or HEAT round *****-for-brains. I do not
even know why I respond to other than responding to your consistent use
of libel against me.
What libel?
Just because you are screwed up on the hist. of anti-tank weaponry
is not
my fault dipshit.
Ah, no, you see I realise that DU penetrators work by simply slamming
through the armour because they are so hard and going so fast ,
whereas HEAT
contains an EXPLOSIVE charge.
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"are so hard and going so fast?"
And Mr. libeling genius what happens to the metal when this round hit
that outer layer?
It gets pierced by the round, obviously.
Go on tell us - we are all waiting - tell of the
chemical reactions to the metal itself as I duly stated
Chemical reaction? It appears you don't understand what a chemical reaction
is. What chenical reaction woudl you expect from a big, sharp lump of
uranium hitting steel?
;) This should
be a blast of fun ;)
It certainly should.. what reaction are you on about?
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Classic idiocy by you tard boy ;)
Mm hmm.. shall we take this to a science group?
Yes, this ' STATEMENT ' does make you and extreme moron now - I can
laugh my way home now after that faux pas by you.
Uh hu...*snigger*
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The difference is really, very simple.
To simple for a moron mind like yaz ;) lol.
I'm still laughing at ya about your saying that (DU round) it has
nothing to do with heat ;)
Nothing to do with HEAT. You see, you're basically unfamiliarty with the
terminology involved shows how little you know of the subject.
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You made my day fuckwade ;)
"fuckwade"?
Shall
we crosspost to a military group and ask them? What do you say?
Go ahead this should be FUN and FUNNY too. Tell them to get back to me.
You do realise how usenet works don't you?
Don't forget to bring your terrorist boyfriend along too ;)
Again with your boyfriend fanstasies.. why is it so important to you to
imagine me as gay? And who is this "terrorist" you are referring to?
The context was IWI. I was commenting of the news of the
possibilities
of DU sickness and how they were used in anti-tank weaponry, you
worthless piece of ***** ;)
Shall we crosspost to a miltary group and see what they have to say?
Are ya melting down so hard that you are repeating yourself
spastic-backside- snifter? ;)
BWahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This depends on several factors, including the area of contact
between
the materials, their concentrations, and the temperature at
which
the
reaction takes place.'
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Spazzing out again? Meltdown espresso?
No, merely laughing at your ignorance of what "kinetic energy"
means..
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic%20energy
lol.
Indeed!
Notice temperature, stupid- moron? What do you think is the key
reaction of DU to penetrate that hardened mettle? Ice cubes you
idiot?
Primary definition, mikey, primary definition:
***** your primary definition.
I say again, the phrase "kinetic energy" can ONLY apply to the
primary
definition of kinetics
"The energy possessed by a body because of its motion, equal to one
half the
mass of the body times the square of its speed."
The context was IRI and the related
sickness and anti-tank weaponry you ignorant slubface ;)
Yaz Meltdown continues, eh terd plucker ;)
What the...?
"The branch of mechanics concerned with the effects of forces on
the
motion
of a body or system of bodies, especially of forces that do not
originate
within the system itself. Also called dynamics"
Are you tarding out again, Mr. Melty? ;) lol.
Not 'ardly...
Is that an attempt to spell now?
DU is the new high-tech heat rounds
that were made to penetrate thenew hardened mettle that older
heat
round
tech could not penetrate -moron.
HEAT stands for High Expliosive Anti Tank. Now please show me
where
the high
explosive is in a APFSDS round, you hapless fuckwit!
DU on the tips of HEAT rounds as used in IWI is a basic fact
admitted
to and talk about in the national dialogue for at least 10 years,
Really?= Strange you can't find any evidence for it. Now look at this
link,
boy
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/120.htm
If you can't grasp the diagram near the bottom of the page showing
the
divergence between KE (kinetic enegry penetraotrs) and HEAT rounds
try going
to these links:
Compare a DU penetrator round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m829a1.htm
with a HEAT round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m830a1.htm
to some degree, pussyhater ;) The Boys refered to these as heat
rounds. On
the battle field they don't yell out ''hey send the ' H' E' A' T
with the Attached " A'P'F'S'D'S''' you dullard.
Of course, not, because a HEAT round and a Sabot round (like APFSDS)
round
are very different things.
Who said they weren't idiot. I said on the battle field they called
them heat round, just the same when they were outfitted with the DU
TYPE AMMO you fuckin' spazzz boy ;)
You don't attach one to the other.
bLAH bLAH bLAH.... who cares they are the advanced forms of antitank
weaponry and use heat to melt the mettle as I said. When you implied
kinetic energy has nothing to do with heat & melting upon impact -
you show your self more the moron than usual ;)
I see, you simply have terrible comprehension problems. Kinetic energy
rounds such as DU penetrators have nothing to do with HEAT (High Explosive
Anti Tank) rounds.
DU penetrators defeat armour by punching holes in it due to their enormous
kinetic energy. They do not "melt through the mettle (sic)".
<snip>
talking about your boyfriends heat-round in ya now, terd licker? ;)
YOu seem obsessed with fantasising about some imaginary boyfriend of
mine.
Not imaginary but real you flaming terrorist supporting fucktard ;)
Proof?
Why is that, MacDonut?
Hummm, because you suck terrorist *****, eh, crap ***** - you should know
and playing the little *****, eh asslicking terrorist butface that you
are is all we know about ya ;)
Are you sure it's high school you're repeating and not elementary school?
One is a solid, dart shaped projectile,
the other is your traditional shell filled with high
explosive.
Yep, and the traditional shell does dilly squat to what the main
discussion was about - how to penetrate modern tanks and Iraq W
I.
No, the discussion was about the gul fof difference between
"gul fof difference between "
What the ***** is that?
A typo,
***** - you are that stupid idiot ;)
If you're too stupid to see it..
<snip>
"gulf of difference between"
***** you - you are a retard ;)
Whatever, mikey. You're not exactly covering yourself in intellectual glory
so far..
Man its been a year and you still are confused. ;) Must be the
low-grade education on the back alley's of Sweden's streets, eh
dropout?
I got my MSc in the UK, not Sweden. How's high school going Mikey?
Blah, Blah Blah says the terrorist supporting crap ***** ;)
Yes Mikey.
Any
chance you'll graduate before your 40th birthday?
Well?
Your terrorist boyfriend is waiting patiently for your get together
plans this weakened. Trust me, I bet it will be a bang-up time ;)
You seem to know a lot about these things..
(1)
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=kinetic+heat/v=2/SID=e/TID=OOP5_5/l=WS1/R=1
/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=2/SIG=136q5s8lr/*-http://id.mind.net/~zona/mstm/physics/mech
anics/energy/heatAndTemperature/heatAndTemperature.html
(
by-bY tINY wEINER THE fUCKWAD ;)
dON'T WASTE MY TIME TARDBOY ;)
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
13 Dec 2004 05:15:28 AM |
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
news:1102632491.425393.276310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
news:1102531471.050461.75160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald"
<abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
That what I always said. It melts the metal,so it is a new
type, and better advanced HEAT ROUND.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
Why because that what it does and was referred too in the new
tech of Iraqi W I?
No, because you claimed HEAT rounds and DU penetrators are the
same
thing,
They were in the IWI you fucking moronic busllshit ;)
NO, Mikey, no they weren't
Compare a DU penetrator round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m829a1.htm
with a HEAT round
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m830a1.htm
Have you checked those links Mikey? Now do you realise you were incorrect to
say a "DU is referred to as a heat round"?
I see you confused HEAT (high explosive anti tank) and heat as in thermal
energy. However, a "heat round" means one thing and one thing only WRT
anti-tank weaponry.
I can read, but unlike you I can understand as well. Shall we
crosspost to sci.physics and see what their take on this is?
Sure, go ahead terrorist tard ;)
OK, done. To the denizens of sci.physics. Does an anti tank shell which
consistes of a tungsten penetrator use kinetic energy (i.e. a product of its
weight and speed) to penetrate armour, or is the chemical definition of
"kinetic" applicable here instead? Myself, I am 100% sure it is the primary
definition of kinetics, i.e. it is the combination of the projectiles speed
and weight (but mostly speed) that applies here, rather than "The branch of
chemistry that is concerned with the rates of change in the concentration of
reactants in a chemical reaction"
Whilst no one is disputing considerably thermal energy is produced in such
an event, the solid DU round punches through the armour due to its kinetic
energy, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)" due to some chemical
reaction. true or false?
<snip>
And Mr. libeling genius what happens to the metal when this round
hit that outer layer?
It gets pierced by the round, obviously.
Go on tell us - we are all waiting - tell of the
chemical reactions to the metal itself as I duly stated
Chemical reaction? It appears you don't understand what a chemical
reaction is. What chenical reaction woudl you expect from a
big, sharp
lump of uranium hitting steel?
;) This should
be a blast of fun ;)
It certainly should.. what reaction are you on about?
That heat is not produced when that DU round penetrates the
armor of the vehicle that you claim it does not.
1) What chemical reaction is that?
2)I certainly never claimed that heat woudl not be produced! Please cite
where I did. I merely claimed a solid DU round uses kinetic energy to
defeeat armour, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)". I merely
claimed a DU round was seperate and distinct from a HEAT (high explosive
anti tank) round, not least because it contains no explosive. Apologies if I
confused you by not always using upper case for "HEAT", but "heat round
"means only one thing in terms of tank ammunition. Seeing as you were
attempting to lecture me on what a DU penetrator was, I assumed you woudl
know these basic terms.
You think that is vibration only and no heat is generated. ;)
What?
Classic idiocy by you tard boy ;)
Mm hmm.. shall we take this to a science group?
HOW MANY TIMES have I said YES, go ahead and it has been over
a year terrorist supporting asslicking fucker ;) Why have you
waited so long - scared that they tell you that head
Head?
is generated on impact with a DU round, contrarily to your claims? ;)
I have never denied that heat woudl be produced by the imapct, merely that
it is not heat which defeats the armour when it is hit by a solid DU
penetrator, any more than it is heat which causes a dart to stick in a
dartboard...
Stop threatening and do it - I want to continue to laugh out
loud at your ignorance ;)
Well, he who laughs last and all that...
Yes, this ' STATEMENT ' does make you and extreme moron
now - I can
laugh my way home now after that faux pas by you.
Uh hu...*snigger*
Why do you '*****' in your laugh? I know snigger is an
established usage for a word but it is not to nice for blacks
when their are plenty of other words to use ;)
Is this supposed to be humour?
I'm still laughing at ya about your saying that (DU round) it has
nothing to do with heat ;)
Nothing to do with HEAT.
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Please learn the distinction between the acronym HEAT and heat.
great this thread is proof to your imbecilic non-intelligence
- better go ask your kindergarten teach. ;) Stop threatening
and take it to a science forum ;)
Already done. Crossposted to a militarygroup too, for good measure (though
it is a moderated one)
You see, you're basically unfamiliarty with the
terminology involved shows how little you know of the subject.
Shut up and take it to a forum so they can laugh at you and I
can continue to laugh at you ;)
Already done. For anyone in the military group who is interested, Mikey has
been claiming for a year or so now that a DU penetrator (e.g. APFSDS) is a
"sort of HEAT round" which "melts through the mettle (sic)" of whatever
metallic object it is fired at. My osition is that e.g. APFSDS rounds uses
kinetic energy to penetrate and are very different from HEAT. I would accept
"melts through the mettle (sic)" as a slightly innacurate term for what a
shaped charge does, but that's beside the point.
I see, you simply have terrible comprehension problems.
Kinetic energy
rounds such as DU penetrators have nothing to do with HEAT
Go ahead and prove it asswipe.
I have. I even provided you with links to descriptions of tungsten/DU
penetrator rounds and HEAT rounds. You have apparently chosen to ignore
them.
IF there is no heat generated
HEAT means High Explosive, Anti-Tank. It referes to a type of ammunition .
how many more times?
from the temp of the armor or right before impact compared to
during impact then prove it ;)
What the..? Whenever did I say this was the case? YOu are confusing the
acronym HEAT with heat again. Even so, heat (as in thermal energy) is NOT
what defeats the armour when it is hit by a solid DU (or tungsten)
penetrator, kinetic energy does. I assmue some of the is kinetic energy is
converted to thermal energy on impact, I never said it wasn't.
Not imaginary but real you flaming terrorist supporting
fucktard ;)
Proof?
Any time you want ***** ;)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus
/browse_frm/thread/198431b6006aff9d/2b980a8927c30941?q=TW+Tiny
+Wiener&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.prophecies.nostradamus%2Fsearch%3
Fgroup%3Dalt.prophecies.nostradamus%26q%3DTW+Tiny+Wiener%26qt_
g%3D1%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#2b980a8927c30941
Please indicate how that is supposed to be proof of me "supporting
terrorism"?!
Whatever, mikey. You're not exactly covering yourself in
intellectual
glory so far..
About anti-tank weaponry do I really care?
Apparently so...
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| User: "Paul Saccani" |
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
14 Dec 2004 01:31:22 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:15:28 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
OK, done. To the denizens of sci.physics. Does an anti tank shell which
consistes of a tungsten penetrator use kinetic energy (i.e. a product of its
weight and speed) to penetrate armour, or is the chemical definition of
"kinetic" applicable here instead? Myself, I am 100% sure it is the primary
definition of kinetics, i.e. it is the combination of the projectiles speed
and weight (but mostly speed) that applies here, rather than "The branch of
chemistry that is concerned with the rates of change in the concentration of
reactants in a chemical reaction"
Whilst no one is disputing considerably thermal energy is produced in such
an event, the solid DU round punches through the armour due to its kinetic
energy, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)" due to some chemical
reaction. true or false?
Long rod penetrators do indeed melt the armour in their path, and their tips
ablate. The combination of molten metal etc... flows rapidly around the
penetrator as it goes through, like mud around a drill string. So it is not
like punching a hole in the manner of say, a familiar paper punch.
"least, that's as far I know.
cheers,
Paul Saccani
Newman West Australia
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
14 Dec 2004 04:25:16 AM |
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"Paul Saccani" <traptinnedspicedham@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d5tr018r5jegm4kj9cdgvds531d8kbaat@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:15:28 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
OK, done. To the denizens of sci.physics. Does an anti tank shell which
consistes of a tungsten penetrator use kinetic energy (i.e. a product of
its
weight and speed) to penetrate armour, or is the chemical definition of
"kinetic" applicable here instead? Myself, I am 100% sure it is the
primary
definition of kinetics, i.e. it is the combination of the projectiles
speed
and weight (but mostly speed) that applies here, rather than "The branch
of
chemistry that is concerned with the rates of change in the concentration
of
reactants in a chemical reaction"
Whilst no one is disputing considerably thermal energy is produced in
such
an event, the solid DU round punches through the armour due to its
kinetic
energy, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)" due to some chemical
reaction. true or false?
Long rod penetrators do indeed melt the armour in their path, and their
tips
ablate.
Ta for that, but I was under the impression that they tended to blow though
then vapourise (igniting on the other side due to the pyrophoric nature of
DU),
The combination of molten metal etc... flows rapidly around the
penetrator as it goes through, like mud around a drill string.
So the penetrator itself remains sold but bits melt around the edge of it?
So it is not like punching a hole in the manner of say, a familiar paper
punch.
This artice, at least seems to identify kinetic energy as the main player:
"least, that's as far I know.
cheers,
Paul Saccani
Newman West Australia
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| User: "Carey Sublette" |
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| Title: Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds |
14 Dec 2004 03:29:41 AM |
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"Paul Saccani" <traptinnedspicedham@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d5tr018r5jegm4kj9cdgvds531d8kbaat@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:15:28 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
OK, done. To the denizens of sci.physics. Does an anti tank shell which
consistes of a tungsten penetrator use kinetic energy (i.e. a product of
its
weight and speed) to penetrate armour, or is the chemical definition of
"kinetic" applicable here instead? Myself, I am 100% sure it is the
primary
definition of kinetics, i.e. it is the combination of the projectiles
speed
and weight (but mostly speed) that applies here, rather than "The branch
of
chemistry that is concerned with the rates of change in the concentration
of
reactants in a chemical reaction"
Whilst no one is disputing considerably thermal energy is produced in such
an event, the solid DU round punches through the armour due to its
kinetic
energy, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)" due to some chemical
reaction. true or false?
Long rod penetrators do indeed melt the armour in their path, and their
tips
ablate. The combination of molten metal etc... flows rapidly around the
penetrator as it goes through, like mud around a drill string. So it is
not
like punching a hole in the manner of say, a familiar paper punch.
The flowing of the metal is more likely simply the effect of exceeding the
yield strength of the metal in front of the penetrator tip. The tip, I'd
say, "erodes" not "ablates".
This is also true of HEAT rounds, the metal particle stream (not liquid or
vapor) acting basically like a l | | | | | | | | | | |